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Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by BarryX(m): 1:41pm On Jul 08, 2018
EfemenaXY:


It sure does.

I read somewhere that with proper linguistics investigation, a lot of history can be unearthed about a people’s tribe, migration, etc

Now this is something I definitely would be interested in smiley

@ BabyfaceAfrica: do keep us updated on your research findings
I pray he does something we can keep for history and future sakes though!
Efemena of life! Where have you been yo? grin

Evé obuwo?

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Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by babyfaceafrica: 10:46am On Aug 04, 2018
happy weekend



so I have been gathering data for my project on isoko language.. I will beseech prominent sons and daughters of isoko language to please vet this data


tega kpe ewe.........tega killed goat
tega ho owho no kpe ewe..........it was tega that killed a goat
moses vho AME........moses fetched water
moses ho owho no vho ame.....it was moses that fetched water

bisi te egwa.......bisi cooked beans
bisi ho owho no te egwa....it was bisi that cooked beans
bisi de oho......bisi buy cloths
ohi ho oware no Christy de.......it is a cloth that Christy brought.


Tina ho Eva eye........Eva. eye itina he ho

Tina bath in the river...it is in the river Tina bath

simi de omoto Betty..... simi bought Betty's car


I buy shoe
...me de evhie

I am the one that buy shoe.... me ho owho na de envhie

we buy shoe
ma de evhie
we are the one that buy shoe
mai ho owho na de evhie


he loves God
o yohu oghene

we are the one that loves God
lie ho owho na yohu oghene

it has spoilt
o ra hanu


IIT is this thing that has spoilt
oware Nana ho oware no rahu


wale cook rice
wale tei isikapa

cooking is how wale cook rice
etei wale tei isikapa na


Matthew de isikapa me harry ze

Matthew bought the rice that harry sold

daddy ho owho na ze isikapa na Matthew de

it is daddy that sold the rice that Matthew bought


whe ho owho na oghene se?
are you the one that called God?

ono de ole?
have you eaten?


simbi fetched water
simbi vho Ami


it was. not simbi that fetched water
isimbo ho owho na vho ami na a


sleep
weze

don't sleep....

we weze e


my informant is from irrie...I don't know if her irrie dialect is different from the standard isoko language. she said all dialects are intelligible.. meaning the understand each other perfectly?... how true is that?.../

I also came across dialects like..ozoro,oleh,owho,emede,enwhe,ofagbe,elio,
oyede,aviara,uzere,umee,iyede-ami,olomoro,igbide,itiegbede........

I discovered that the enwhe dialect is quite similar. to the urhobo language.. my informant also confirmed that.

my question then is is urhobo language a dialect of isoko or isoko is a dialect of urhobo or both are separate languages.if they are separate llanguages how is it then possible for a dialect of isoko. to be very similar to urhobo language.

my guess is that the both come from one language (Edo)...but along the lines they differ..it is an hypothesis not a fact..I need a superior answer.

I also note that isoko language is on a decline in Delta except you go to the villages..in asaba and warri..na broken sure pass ooo...but you will still see urhobo in bits and Igbo.

The language is hard o..I can't lie...I am not yet through with data collections and finding and will be happy with any help rendered


I will like comments and suggestions

isoko wadoooo


Cc:barryx,efemenaxy,efewestern,Prestigeryhme,iicezik1,ogaga4luv,elijahrona2
,ELEOVIE

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Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by Efewestern: 2:42pm On Aug 04, 2018
babyfaceafrica:
happy weekend



so I have been gathering data for my project on isoko language.. I will beseech prominent sons and daughters of isoko language to please vet this data


tega kpe ewe.........tega killed goat
tega ho owho no kpe ewe..........it was tega that killed a goat
moses vho AME........moses fetched water
moses ho owho no vho ame.....it was moses that fetched water

bisi te egwa.......bisi cooked beans
bisi ho owho no te egwa....it was bisi that cooked beans
bisi de oho......bisi buy cloths
ohi ho oware no Christy de.......it is a cloth that Christy brought.


Tina ho Eva eye........Eva. eye itina he ho

Tina bath in the river...it is in the river Tina bath

simi de omoto Betty..... simi bought Betty's car


I buy shoe
...me de evhie

I am the one that buy shoe.... me ho owho na de envhie

we buy shoe
ma de evhie
we are the one that buy shoe
mai ho owho na de evhie


he loves God
o yohu oghene

we are the one that loves God
lie ho owho na yohu oghene

it has spoilt
o ra hanu


IIT is this thing that has spoilt
oware Nana ho oware no rahu


wale cook rice
wale tei isikapa

cooking is how wale cook rice
etei wale tei isikapa na


Matthew de isikapa me harry ze

Matthew bought the rice that harry sold

daddy ho owho na ze isikapa na Matthew de

it is daddy that sold the rice that Matthew bought


whe ho owho na oghene se?
are you the one that called God?

ono de ole?
have you eaten?


simbi fetched water
simbi vho Ami


it was. not simbi that fetched water
isimbo ho owho na vho ami na a


sleep
weze

don't sleep....

we weze e


my informant is from irrie...I don't know if her irrie dialect is different from the standard isoko language. she said all dialects are intelligible.. meaning the understand each other perfectly?... how true is that?.../

I also came across dialects like..ozoro,oleh,owho,emede,enwhe,ofagbe,elio,
oyede,aviara,uzere,umee,iyede-ami,olomoro,igbide,itiegbede........

I discovered that the enwhe dialect is quite similar. to the urhobo language.. my informant also confirmed that.

my question then is is urhobo language a dialect of isoko or isoko is a dialect of urhobo or both are separate languages.if they are separate llanguages how is it then possible for a dialect of isoko. to be very similar to urhobo language.

my guess is that the both come from one language (Edo)...but along the lines they differ..it is an hypothesis not a fact..I need a superior answer.

I also note that isoko language is on a decline in Delta except you go to the villages..in asaba and warri..na broken sure pass ooo...but you will still see urhobo in bits and Igbo.

The language is hard o..I can't lie...I am not yet through with data collections and finding and will be happy with any help rendered


I will like comments and suggestions

isoko wadoooo


You tried, but you should also learn spelling in Isoko as I can see some errors with the spellings, as for your last question, Isoko was formally part of the Urhobo nation until 1961 when Awolowo gave them a separate identity, The language remains a Key branch of Edoid languages and is also classified as an Urhobo language, the language shares close similarities with the Okpe and Uvwie dialect of Urhobo, I myself understands 90% of what you just submitted.

For example,

Ki"die hwiere - What's wrong / What's happening (General Urhobo)
Eme' wo / Eme' Soni - What's Wrong (Uvwie Dialect of urhobo)
Eme' wo - What's wrong (Isoko)

So the language is a combination of sub Urhobo dialects.

Cc: fratermathy, suggestions or contribution
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by babyfaceafrica: 2:51pm On Aug 04, 2018
Efewestern:


You tried, but you should also learn spelling in Isoko as I can see some errors with the spellings, as for your last question, Isoko was formally part of the Urhobo nation until 1961 when Awolowo gave them a separate identity, ELEOVIE language remains a Key branch of Edoid languages and is also classified as an Urhobo language, the language shares close similarities with the Okpe and Uvwie dialect of Urhobo, I myself understands 90% of what you just submitted.

For example,

Ki"die hwiere - What's wrong / What's happening (General Urhobo)
Eme' wo / Eme' Soni - What's Wrong (Uvwie Dialect of urhobo)
Eme' wo - What's wrong (Isoko)

So the language is a combination of sub Urhobo dialects.

Cc: fratermathy, suggestions or contribution
appreciate this a lot

1.I don't understand what you meant by the language can also be classified as urhobo language....is isoko a dialect of isoko or is urhobo a dialect of isoko...or they are two separate languages.....because isoko lantuage cannot be called urhobo language....I agree they ate both ediod Language

2.sorry for the errors ,i will work on them.. I still have the recordings.....I will still tone mark the vowels though..this is just a manuscripr

3.how come even in the villages isoko language is dying?...It is really difficult getting a pure speaker.. is there a standard isoko language?.. because the people I meant say they speak so and so dialect...and they understand one another.




thank you very much
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by fratermathy(m): 5:25pm On Aug 04, 2018
babyfaceafrica:
happy weekend



so I have been gathering data for my project on isoko language.. I will beseech prominent sons and daughters of isoko language to please vet this data


tega kpe ewe.........tega killed goat
tega ho owho no kpe ewe..........it was tega that killed a goat
moses vho AME........moses fetched water
moses ho owho no vho ame.....it was moses that fetched water

bisi te egwa.......bisi cooked beans
bisi ho owho no te egwa....it was bisi that cooked beans
bisi de oho......bisi buy cloths
ohi ho oware no Christy de.......it is a cloth that Christy brought.


Tina ho Eva eye........Eva. eye itina he ho

Tina bath in the river...it is in the river Tina bath

simi de omoto Betty..... simi bought Betty's car


I buy shoe
...me de evhie

I am the one that buy shoe.... me ho owho na de envhie

we buy shoe
ma de evhie
we are the one that buy shoe
mai ho owho na de evhie


he loves God
o yohu oghene

we are the one that loves God
lie ho owho na yohu oghene

it has spoilt
o ra hanu


IIT is this thing that has spoilt
oware Nana ho oware no rahu


wale cook rice
wale tei isikapa

cooking is how wale cook rice
etei wale tei isikapa na


Matthew de isikapa me harry ze

Matthew bought the rice that harry sold

daddy ho owho na ze isikapa na Matthew de

it is daddy that sold the rice that Matthew bought


whe ho owho na oghene se?
are you the one that called God?

ono de ole?
have you eaten?


simbi fetched water
simbi vho Ami


it was. not simbi that fetched water
isimbo ho owho na vho ami na a


sleep
weze

don't sleep....

we weze e


my informant is from irrie...I don't know if her irrie dialect is different from the standard isoko language. she said all dialects are intelligible.. meaning the understand each other perfectly?... how true is that?.../

I also came across dialects like..ozoro,oleh,owho,emede,enwhe,ofagbe,elio,
oyede,aviara,uzere,umee,iyede-ami,olomoro,igbide,itiegbede........

I discovered that the enwhe dialect is quite similar. to the urhobo language.. my informant also confirmed that.

my question then is is urhobo language a dialect of isoko or isoko is a dialect of urhobo or both are separate languages.if they are separate llanguages how is it then possible for a dialect of isoko. to be very similar to urhobo language.

my guess is that the both come from one language (Edo)...but along the lines they differ..it is an hypothesis not a fact..I need a superior answer.

I also note that isoko language is on a decline in Delta except you go to the villages..in asaba and warri..na broken sure pass ooo...but you will still see urhobo in bits and Igbo.

The language is hard o..I can't lie...I am not yet through with data collections and finding and will be happy with any help rendered


I will like comments and suggestions

isoko wadoooo


Cc:barryx,efemenaxy,efewestern,Prestigeryhme,iicezik1,ogaga4luv,elijahrona2
,ELEOVIE

Isoko is not a dialect of Urhobo and vice versa. Isoko is an equal member with Urhobo in the Edoid language family. However, Urhobo, Isoko, Okpe, Erhowa and Uvwie all form a cluster which can be effectively called the Urhobo-Isoko languages cluster or what Ben Elugbe called Southwestern Edoid languages. The oldest language in this cluster, which also happens to be the most threatened language in terms of its number of speakers, is Erhowa. Indeed, many linguists believe that all the languages in the Urhobo-Isoko cluster evolved from Erhowa, which in turn evolved from a proto-Edoid language.

Despite the fact that Isoko and Urhobo are distinct languages in their own rights, they are 80% similar in grammar, vocabulary, and phonology. Differences in both languages become greater the farther you move from the collective center of Iyede-Evwreni-Enwhe. In the towns I just listed, Urhobo and Isoko are almost the same as speakers here can communicate with each other without qualms. However, when you move from this center and go farther towards Ozoro and Oleh, the dialects become deeper and the average Urhobo man may not understand what is said completely. The same scenario plays out when the Isoko man is confronted with Uvwie, Okpe and to some extent, Ughievwen and Udu.


Erhowa is not a dialect of Isoko, just as Okpe and Uvwie are not really dialects of Urhobo. However, those who speak the languages identify as Isoko or Urhobo, as the case may be. This identification has led to the situation where their languages are treated as dialects. It is this identification that also led to the idea that Isoko is a dialect of Urhobo. Realistically, they are all in a language cluster in which common words, grammar, vocabulary and culture are shared. Each of the languages has its own dialects and units too. For the sake of expediency, Okpe and Uvwie are usually treated as variant languages under Urhobo while Erhowa is treated as a variant language under Isoko.


Furthermore, since central Urhobo (Agbarho-Ughelli dialect) is virtually understood by all members of the Urhobo-Isoko cluster, Urhobo has become the overarching language and thus, takes the role as the unifying tongue that connects all. Again, Isoko gained socio-political identity from the Urhobos, with whom they shared common heritage, historical and socio-political identity prior to 1958 when an Isoko division was created by the then Western Regional Government as a punishment to the Urhobos who didn't support Awolowo's party. It was a move that sought to reduce the perceived importance and numerical strength of the Urhobos. Attempts were also made to create Okpe and Uvwie divisions which would have seen Okpe and Uvwie as separate ethnic groups but the Okpe and Uvwie people did not see any sense in it and did not support the move. They had invested too much in the Urhobo identity for them to establish a distinct ethnic identity. Furthermore, the Isoko division was possible because many of the Isoko elite then already held resentments for their perceived marginalisation by Urhobo leaders. They felt that Urhobos were trying to swallow their identity. It was against this backdrop that they left the Eastern Urhobo division. Ironically, the Isoko language is going extinct at a much higher rate than Okpe and Uvwie who remained with Urhobo and whose languages have been preserved in many forms via collective efforts from the Urhobo nation.

Because of the creation of Isoko division, the Isoko Development Union was formed to cater for the Isokos who no longer partook in Urhobo Progress Union. Isokos started to switch from the Ughelli Urhobo dialect which was gaining popularity to the Uzere dialect which is now the central Isoko language. Many other changes occurred that all culminated in the birth of Isoko as an ethnic group. Because of how Isoko evolved from a language into an ethnicity, many people still consider it as a sub-group of Urhobo and therefore, that the language is a dialect of Urhobo. While it is true that the people and their culture are 100% Urhoboid, the language is regarded by scholars as a distinct Edoid language. However, this categorisation is also new and was done by Ben Elugbe, a non-Urhobo-Isoko scholar and so one can argue that it is a personal view. Unfortunately, many other Urhobo and Isoko scholars have authenticated the categorisation in their works.

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Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by babyfaceafrica: 6:11pm On Aug 04, 2018
fratermathy:


Isoko is not a dialect of Urhobo and vice versa. Isoko is an equal member with Urhobo in the Edoid language family. However, Urhobo, Isoko, Okpe, Erhowa and Uvwie all form a cluster which can be effectively called the Urhobo-Isoko language cluster. The oldest language in this cluster, which also happens to be the most threatened language in terms of its number of speakers, is Erhowa. Indeed, many linguists believe that all the languages in the Urhobo-Isoko cluster evolved from Erhowa, which in turn evolved from a proto-Edoid language.

Despite the fact that Isoko and Urhobo are distinct languages in their own rights, they are 80% similar in grammar, vocabulary, and phonology. Differences in both languages become greater the farther you move from the collective center of Iyede-Evwreni-Enwhe. In the towns I just listed, Urhobo and Isoko are almost the same as speakers here can communicate with each other without qualms. However, when you move from this center and go farther towards Ozoro and Oleh, the dialects become deeper and the average Urhobo man may not understand what is said completely. The same scenario plays out when the Isoko man is confronted with Uvwie, Okpe and to some extent, Ughievwen and Udu.


Erhowa is not a dialect of Isoko, just as Okpe and Uvwie are not really dialects of Urhobo. However, those who speak the languages identify as Isoko or Urhobo, as the case may be. This identification has led to the situation where their languages are treated as dialects. It is this identification that also led to the idea that Isoko is a dialect of Urhobo. Realistically, they are all in a language cluster in which common words, grammar, vocabulary and culture are shared. Each of the languages has its own dialects and units too. For the sake of expediency, Okpe and Uvwie are usually treated as variant languages under Urhobo while Erhowa is treated as a variant language under Isoko.


Furthermore, since central Urhobo (Agbarho-Ughelli dialect) is virtually understood by all members of the Urhobo-Isoko cluster, Urhobo has become the overarching language and thus, takes the role as the unifying tongue that connects all. Again, Isoko gained socio-political identity from the Urhobos, with whom they shared common heritage, historical and socio-political identity prior to 1958 when an Isoko division was created by the then Western Regional Government as a punishment to the Urhobos who didn't support Awolowo's party. It was a move that sought to reduce the perceived importance and numerical strength of the Urhobos. Attempts were also made to create Okpe and Uvwie divisions which would have seen Okpe and Uvwie as separate ethnic groups but the Okpe and Uvwie people did not see any sense in it and did not support the move. They had invested too much in the Urhobo identity for them to establish a distinct ethnic identity. Furthermore, the Isoko division was possible because many of the Isoko elite then already held resentments for their perceived marginalisation by Urhobo leaders. They felt that Urhobos were trying to swallow their identity. It was against this backdrop that they left the Eastern Urhobo division. Ironically, the Isoko language is going extinct at a much higher rate than Okpe and Uvwie who remained with Urhobo and whose languages have been preserved in many forms via collective efforts from the Urhobo nation.

Because of the creation of Isoko division, the Isoko Development Union was formed to cater for the Isokos who no longer partook in Urhobo Progress Union. Isokos started to switch from the Ughelli Urhobo dialect which was gaining popularity to the Uzere dialect which is now the central Isoko language. Many other changes occurred that all culminated in the birth of Isoko as an ethnic group. Because of how Isoko evolved from a language into an ethnicity, many people still consider it as a sub-group of Urhobo and therefore, that the language is a dialect of Urhobo. While it is true that the people and their culture are 100% Urhoboid, the language is regarded by scholars as a distinct Edoid language. However, this categorisation is also new and was done by a non-Urhobo, non-Isoko scholar and so one can argue that it is personal. Unfortunately, many other Urhobo and Isoko scholars have authenticated the categorisation in their works.
indept......thanks very much..if you have any resources on the isoko language ..kindly give me... this is really deep
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by Efewestern: 6:18pm On Aug 04, 2018
babyfaceafrica:
appreciate this a lot

1.I don't understand what you meant by the language can also be classified as urhobo language....is isoko a dialect of isoko or is urhobo a dialect of isoko...or they are two separate languages.....because isoko lantuage cannot be called urhobo language....I agree they ate both ediod Language

Urhobo is not a dialect of Isoko, refer to the above reply for better understanding.

2.sorry for the errors ,i will work on them.. I still have the recordings.....I will still tone mark the vowels though..this is just a manuscripr

3.how come even in the villages isoko language is dying?...It is really difficult getting a pure speaker.. is there a standard isoko language?.. because the people I meant say they speak so and so dialect...and they understand one another.

This issue of locals not speaking the Isoko dialects is not limited to them alone as most minorities are battling with the same problem, but in rural communities they communicate freely with the Isoko language, the Uzere dialect is the standard Isoko language.
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by babyfaceafrica: 6:26pm On Aug 04, 2018
Efewestern:


Urhobo is not a dialect of Isoko, refer to the above reply for better understanding.



This issue of locals not speaking the Isoko dialects is not limited to them alone as most minorities are battling with the same problem, but in rural communities they communicate freely with the Isoko language, the Uzere dialect is the standard Isoko language.
thanks very much
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by OLORIPAPA: 6:53pm On Aug 04, 2018
fratermathy:


Isoko is not a dialect of Urhobo and vice versa. Isoko is an equal member with Urhobo in the Edoid language family. However, Urhobo, Isoko, Okpe, Erhowa and Uvwie all form a cluster which can be effectively called the Urhobo-Isoko language cluster. The oldest language in this cluster, which also happens to be the most threatened language in terms of its number of speakers, is Erhowa. Indeed, many linguists believe that all the languages in the Urhobo-Isoko cluster evolved from Erhowa, which in turn evolved from a proto-Edoid language.

Despite the fact that Isoko and Urhobo are distinct languages in their own rights, they are 80% similar in grammar, vocabulary, and phonology. Differences in both languages become greater the farther you move from the collective center of Iyede-Evwreni-Enwhe. In the towns I just listed, Urhobo and Isoko are almost the same as speakers here can communicate with each other without qualms. However, when you move from this center and go farther towards Ozoro and Oleh, the dialects become deeper and the average Urhobo man may not understand what is said completely. The same scenario plays out when the Isoko man is confronted with Uvwie, Okpe and to some extent, Ughievwen and Udu.


Erhowa is not a dialect of Isoko, just as Okpe and Uvwie are not really dialects of Urhobo. However, those who speak the languages identify as Isoko or Urhobo, as the case may be. This identification has led to the situation where their languages are treated as dialects. It is this identification that also led to the idea that Isoko is a dialect of Urhobo. Realistically, they are all in a language cluster in which common words, grammar, vocabulary and culture are shared. Each of the languages has its own dialects and units too. For the sake of expediency, Okpe and Uvwie are usually treated as variant languages under Urhobo while Erhowa is treated as a variant language under Isoko.


Furthermore, since central Urhobo (Agbarho-Ughelli dialect) is virtually understood by all members of the Urhobo-Isoko cluster, Urhobo has become the overarching language and thus, takes the role as the unifying tongue that connects all. Again, Isoko gained socio-political identity from the Urhobos, with whom they shared common heritage, historical and socio-political identity prior to 1958 when an Isoko division was created by the then Western Regional Government as a punishment to the Urhobos who didn't support Awolowo's party. It was a move that sought to reduce the perceived importance and numerical strength of the Urhobos. Attempts were also made to create Okpe and Uvwie divisions which would have seen Okpe and Uvwie as separate ethnic groups but the Okpe and Uvwie people did not see any sense in it and did not support the move. They had invested too much in the Urhobo identity for them to establish a distinct ethnic identity. Furthermore, the Isoko division was possible because many of the Isoko elite then already held resentments for their perceived marginalisation by Urhobo leaders. They felt that Urhobos were trying to swallow their identity. It was against this backdrop that they left the Eastern Urhobo division. Ironically, the Isoko language is going extinct at a much higher rate than Okpe and Uvwie who remained with Urhobo and whose languages have been preserved in many forms via collective efforts from the Urhobo nation.

Because of the creation of Isoko division, the Isoko Development Union was formed to cater for the Isokos who no longer partook in Urhobo Progress Union. Isokos started to switch from the Ughelli Urhobo dialect which was gaining popularity to the Uzere dialect which is now the central Isoko language. Many other changes occurred that all culminated in the birth of Isoko as an ethnic group. Because of how Isoko evolved from a language into an ethnicity, many people still consider it as a sub-group of Urhobo and therefore, that the language is a dialect of Urhobo. While it is true that the people and their culture are 100% Urhoboid, the language is regarded by scholars as a distinct Edoid language. However, this categorisation is also new and was done by a non-Urhobo, non-Isoko scholar and so one can argue that it is personal. Unfortunately, many other Urhobo and Isoko scholars have authenticated the categorisation in their works.
I also read some were that same awolowo is the one who awarded the title "olu of Warri" to the itsekiri king some times in the 1950s.Even after the British refused to award the title prior before then because they know warrior is multi ethnical.Any truth to that?
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by Efewestern: 7:16pm On Aug 04, 2018
OLORIPAPA:
I also read some were that same awolowo is the one who awarded the title "olu of Warri" to the itsekiri king some times in the 1950s.Even after the British refused to award the title prior before then because they know warrior is multi ethnical.Any truth to that?

Oniovo that's the fact, The Olu of warri title is a recent one, the king of itsekiri was known as Olu of Itsekiri before Awolowo changed it.

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Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by fratermathy(m): 8:12pm On Aug 04, 2018
babyfaceafrica:
indept......thanks very much..if you have any resources on the isoko language ..kindly give me... this is really deep

What type of resources do you need on the language? There are quite a number of materials I can give but let's narrow it down to specifics.
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by babyfaceafrica: 8:32pm On Aug 04, 2018
fratermathy:


What type of resources do you need on the language? There are quite a number of materials I can give but let's narrow it down to specifics.
if I can get a PDF version of the isoko Bible.. it will be nice..or any earlier works on isoko grammar and syntax.....also any available books on the history is the isoko people...and any other thing you think can be useful
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by fratermathy(m): 8:40pm On Aug 04, 2018
OLORIPAPA:
I also read some were that same awolowo is the one who awarded the title "olu of Warri" to the itsekiri king some times in the 1950s.Even after the British refused to award the title prior before then because they know warrior is multi ethnical.Any truth to that?

This is very correct. The title used to be Olu of Itsekiri. However, the Itsekiris sought for a change of the title to Olu of Warri, simply to create the impression that the entire Warri is within the domain of the Olu. They asked for a changed first in the 1930s but Urhobos were able to dilute it effectively. They continued to lobby the colonial government to no avail. However, when the Western Region was granted some measure of autonomy in the 1950s,the Itsekiris wooed Awolowo under the guise that Itsekiri is a part of the Yorùbá family. Awolowo conceded to their demands & influenced the regional government to rename the title to Olu of Warri. To add salt to fire, the entire province then, comprising Urhobo, Isoko, Western Ijaw, Itsekiri and Aboh/Ukwuani divisions, used to be known as Warri Province. The Itsekiris also went around at the time boasting that the entire province was under their king.

The change of title snowballed into a series of protests and altercations. It was so bad that people from all the ethnic groups ostracised the Itsekiris and tagged them with all sorts of names. When the Awolowo led regional government saw that they had created a problem that they could not tame, they were forced to change the name of the province to Delta province in order to pacify people. That was how Warri province came to be known as Delta province which later metamorphosed to Mid-West, Bendel and Delta States.


The Olu continued to use the title but a distinction was then emphasised between the Warri or Iwerre kingdom and Warri City. Infact, Warri Kingdom does not even cover what is now know as Warri City, save for the Itsekiri dominated areas like Ekurede and Okere. The Olu of Warri is now the Olu of Warri City but the Olu of Iwerreland, comprising ONLY Itsekiriland, mostly across the Warri River.

Today, we have the Ovie of Agbarha-Warri Kingdom and the Orosuen of Okere-Urhobo Warri Kingdom. We even have a Pere of Ogbe-Ijo Warri Kingdom. Each of these Kings knows their domains within the Warri metropolis and the Olu knows his too. However, the Olu receives greater political patronage because of the history behind the monarchy and how they were favored by both the colonial masters and early indigenous governments.

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Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by fratermathy(m): 9:32pm On Aug 04, 2018
babyfaceafrica:
if I can get a PDF version of the isoko Bible.. it will be nice..or any earlier works on isoko grammar and syntax.....also any available books on the history is the isoko people...and any other thing you think can be useful

I have an extract of the book of Genesis in Isoko. I have attached that. However, it is quite difficult to get soft copies of articles on Isoko language. Almost all the mentions of Isoko in articles online have to do with Urhobo. Isoko is not a widely studied language.

However, you can use the link below to download some pdf files on Isoko history and culture. If you need more articles, contact me using the email on my profile and I'll snap pages in some books for you.

Link:
https://www.google.com/search?client=ucweb-b&channel=sb&ei=RApmW8ToF4aXlwSOubnQCA&q=Isoko+people+filetype%3Apdf&oq=Isoko+people+filetype%3Apdf&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3...505665.507173..507593...0.0..0.1059.2106.4-1j1j0j1......0....1.jqxzWEK9s8s

Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by babyfaceafrica: 10:16pm On Aug 04, 2018
fratermathy:


I have an extract of the book of Genesis in Isoko. I have attached that. However, it is quite difficult to get soft copies of articles on Isoko language. Almost all the mentions of Isoko in articles online have to do with Urhobo. Isoko is not a widely studied language.

However, you can use the link below to download some pdf files on Isoko history and culture. If you need more articles, contact me using the email on my profile and I'll snap pages in some books for you.

Link:
https://www.google.com/search?client=ucweb-b&channel=sb&ei=RApmW8ToF4aXlwSOubnQCA&q=Isoko+people+filetype%3Apdf&oq=Isoko+people+filetype%3Apdf&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3...505665.507173..507593...0.0..0.1059.2106.4-1j1j0j1......0....1.jqxzWEK9s8s
thanks..will get back to you

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Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by babyfaceafrica: 11:01am On Aug 13, 2018
liftedone:


Ifyalways, LOL. mgbidi, egbedi!
Thanks Kome for bailing me out that one. I'm surprised this thread is still going strong. And where is the originator, Ice Zik?
I love you in Isoko? Let me go and consult my sister's Isoko bible.

Isoko Wadoo!!!
morning. please can I get the pdf of the isoko bible
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by BarryX(m): 12:38pm On Aug 31, 2018
fratermathy:


Isoko is not a dialect of Urhobo and vice versa. Isoko is an equal member with Urhobo in the Edoid language family. However, Urhobo, Isoko, Okpe, Erhowa and Uvwie all form a cluster which can be effectively called the Urhobo-Isoko languages cluster or what Ben Elugbe called Southwestern Edoid languages. The oldest language in this cluster, which also happens to be the most threatened language in terms of its number of speakers, is Erhowa. Indeed, many linguists believe that all the languages in the Urhobo-Isoko cluster evolved from Erhowa, which in turn evolved from a proto-Edoid language.

Despite the fact that Isoko and Urhobo are distinct languages in their own rights, they are 80% similar in grammar, vocabulary, and phonology. Differences in both languages become greater the farther you move from the collective center of Iyede-Evwreni-Enwhe. In the towns I just listed, Urhobo and Isoko are almost the same as speakers here can communicate with each other without qualms. However, when you move from this center and go farther towards Ozoro and Oleh, the dialects become deeper and the average Urhobo man may not understand what is said completely. The same scenario plays out when the Isoko man is confronted with Uvwie, Okpe and to some extent, Ughievwen and Udu.


Erhowa is not a dialect of Isoko, just as Okpe and Uvwie are not really dialects of Urhobo. However, those who speak the languages identify as Isoko or Urhobo, as the case may be. This identification has led to the situation where their languages are treated as dialects. It is this identification that also led to the idea that Isoko is a dialect of Urhobo. Realistically, they are all in a language cluster in which common words, grammar, vocabulary and culture are shared. Each of the languages has its own dialects and units too. For the sake of expediency, Okpe and Uvwie are usually treated as variant languages under Urhobo while Erhowa is treated as a variant language under Isoko.


Furthermore, since central Urhobo (Agbarho-Ughelli dialect) is virtually understood by all members of the Urhobo-Isoko cluster, Urhobo has become the overarching language and thus, takes the role as the unifying tongue that connects all. Again, Isoko gained socio-political identity from the Urhobos, with whom they shared common heritage, historical and socio-political identity prior to 1958 when an Isoko division was created by the then Western Regional Government as a punishment to the Urhobos who didn't support Awolowo's party. It was a move that sought to reduce the perceived importance and numerical strength of the Urhobos. Attempts were also made to create Okpe and Uvwie divisions which would have seen Okpe and Uvwie as separate ethnic groups but the Okpe and Uvwie people did not see any sense in it and did not support the move. They had invested too much in the Urhobo identity for them to establish a distinct ethnic identity. Furthermore, the Isoko division was possible because many of the Isoko elite then already held resentments for their perceived marginalisation by Urhobo leaders. They felt that Urhobos were trying to swallow their identity. It was against this backdrop that they left the Eastern Urhobo division. Ironically, the [s]Isoko language is going extinct at a much higher rate than Okpe and Uvwie [/s] NOT TRUE and that can be said for all Minority languages including Urhobo who remained with Urhobo and whose languages have been preserved in many forms via collective efforts from the Urhobo nation.

Because of the creation of Isoko division, the Isoko Development Union was formed to cater for the Isokos who no longer partook in Urhobo Progress Union. Isokos started to switch from the Ughelli Urhobo dialect which was gaining popularity to the Uzere dialect which is now the central Isoko language. Many other changes occurred that all culminated in the birth of Isoko as an ethnic group. Because of how Isoko evolved from a language into an ethnicity, many people still consider it as a sub-group of Urhobo and therefore, that the language is a dialect of Urhobo. [s]While it is true that the people and their culture are 100% Urhoboid, [/s] the language is regarded by scholars as a distinct Edoid language. However, this categorisation is also new and was done by Ben Elugbe, a non-Urhobo-Isoko scholar and so one can argue that it is a personal view. Unfortunately, many other Urhobo and Isoko scholars have authenticated the categorisation in their works.
You started off on a good premise but your bias for Urhoboidness or whatever that means spoilt your exposition.

Please the striked lines on your epistle do not hold true and cannot be substantiated.
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by EfemenaXY: 8:58am On Sep 02, 2018
Isoko Wadoo oh!

Unfortunately I can’t find even one Isoko movie online.

This is so depressing for those of us in diaspora.

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Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by Emus97: 11:01am On Sep 19, 2018
"Unfortunately I can’t find even one Isoko movie.,,"
Isoko wha dooo,
this statement baffles me, but how do we resolve it now?
how do we make a change
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by itunuoluwa4490: 11:21am On Sep 19, 2018
I don't know none of those language

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Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by BarryX(m): 10:51am On Oct 13, 2018
itunuoluwa4490:
I don't know none of those language
Please we don't seem to understand your English language either.

What do you actually mean with that grammer?

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Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by Emvicprints1: 12:13pm On Mar 03, 2019
Please who can help me with the meaning of ejiroro
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by OrganicSoup: 2:25pm On Jun 04, 2019
Emvicprints1:
Please who can help me with the meaning of ejiroro
It actually means "purpose"...
Are you Isoko?
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by Nobody: 12:52pm On Aug 02, 2019
Idoko wadoooo.
I am from Uzere Kingdom in Isoko. My brothers and sisters around Lagos and Ogun can hit me up
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by Nobody: 2:06pm On Aug 02, 2019
Valuetrade:
Idoko wadoooo.
I am from Uzere Kingdom in Isoko. My brothers and sisters around Lagos and Ogun can hit me up

Any show?
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by darfay: 12:12am On Aug 11, 2019
Efewestern:


You tried, but you should also learn spelling in Isoko as I can see some errors with the spellings, as for your last question, Isoko was formally part of the Urhobo nation until 1961 when Awolowo gave them a separate identity, The language remains a Key branch of Edoid languages and is also classified as an Urhobo language, the language shares close similarities with the Okpe and Uvwie dialect of Urhobo, I myself understands 90% of what you just submitted.

For example,

Ki"die hwiere - What's wrong / What's happening (General Urhobo)
Eme' wo / Eme' Soni - What's Wrong (Uvwie Dialect of urhobo)
Eme' wo - What's wrong (Isoko)

So the language is a combination of sub Urhobo dialects.

Cc: fratermathy, suggestions or contribution


Eme via
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by darfay: 12:18am On Aug 11, 2019
fratermathy:


Isoko is not a dialect of Urhobo and vice versa. Isoko is an equal member with Urhobo in the Edoid language family. However, Urhobo, Isoko, Okpe, Erhowa and Uvwie all form a cluster which can be effectively called the Urhobo-Isoko languages cluster or what Ben Elugbe called Southwestern Edoid languages. The oldest language in this cluster, which also happens to be the most threatened language in terms of its number of speakers, is Erhowa. Indeed, many linguists believe that all the languages in the Urhobo-Isoko cluster evolved from Erhowa, which in turn evolved from a proto-Edoid language.

Despite the fact that Isoko and Urhobo are distinct languages in their own rights, they are 80% similar in grammar, vocabulary, and phonology. Differences in both languages become greater the farther you move from the collective center of Iyede-Evwreni-Enwhe. In the towns I just listed, Urhobo and Isoko are almost the same as speakers here can communicate with each other without qualms. However, when you move from this center and go farther towards Ozoro and Oleh, the dialects become deeper and the average Urhobo man may not understand what is said completely. The same scenario plays out when the Isoko man is confronted with Uvwie, Okpe and to some extent, Ughievwen and Udu.


Erhowa is not a dialect of Isoko, just as Okpe and Uvwie are not really dialects of Urhobo. However, those who speak the languages identify as Isoko or Urhobo, as the case may be. This identification has led to the situation where their languages are treated as dialects. It is this identification that also led to the idea that Isoko is a dialect of Urhobo. Realistically, they are all in a language cluster in which common words, grammar, vocabulary and culture are shared. Each of the languages has its own dialects and units too. For the sake of expediency, Okpe and Uvwie are usually treated as variant languages under Urhobo while Erhowa is treated as a variant language under Isoko.


Furthermore, since central Urhobo (Agbarho-Ughelli dialect) is virtually understood by all members of the Urhobo-Isoko cluster, Urhobo has become the overarching language and thus, takes the role as the unifying tongue that connects all. Again, Isoko gained socio-political identity from the Urhobos, with whom they shared common heritage, historical and socio-political identity prior to 1958 when an Isoko division was created by the then Western Regional Government as a punishment to the Urhobos who didn't support Awolowo's party. It was a move that sought to reduce the perceived importance and numerical strength of the Urhobos. Attempts were also made to create Okpe and Uvwie divisions which would have seen Okpe and Uvwie as separate ethnic groups but the Okpe and Uvwie people did not see any sense in it and did not support the move. They had invested too much in the Urhobo identity for them to establish a distinct ethnic identity. Furthermore, the Isoko division was possible because many of the Isoko elite then already held resentments for their perceived marginalisation by Urhobo leaders. They felt that Urhobos were trying to swallow their identity. It was against this backdrop that they left the Eastern Urhobo division. Ironically, the Isoko language is going extinct at a much higher rate than Okpe and Uvwie who remained with Urhobo and whose languages have been preserved in many forms via collective efforts from the Urhobo nation.

Because of the creation of Isoko division, the Isoko Development Union was formed to cater for the Isokos who no longer partook in Urhobo Progress Union. Isokos started to switch from the Ughelli Urhobo dialect which was gaining popularity to the Uzere dialect which is now the central Isoko language. Many other changes occurred that all culminated in the birth of Isoko as an ethnic group. Because of how Isoko evolved from a language into an ethnicity, many people still consider it as a sub-group of Urhobo and therefore, that the language is a dialect of Urhobo. While it is true that the people and their culture are 100% Urhoboid, the language is regarded by scholars as a distinct Edoid language. However, this categorisation is also new and was done by Ben Elugbe, a non-Urhobo-Isoko scholar and so one can argue that it is a personal view. Unfortunately, many other Urhobo and Isoko scholars have authenticated the categorisation in their works.



Nawa o

Which kind lie b this

Please isoko people do/did not speak any urhobo dialect at any point in time, so I don't understand the rubbish about agbarho dialect being a unifying tongue between isoko and urhobo
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by darfay: 12:25am On Aug 11, 2019
Efewestern:


Urhobo is not a dialect of Isoko, refer to the above reply for better understanding.



This issue of locals not speaking the Isoko dialects is not limited to them alone as most minorities are battling with the same problem, but in rural communities they communicate freely with the Isoko language, the Uzere dialect is the standard Isoko language.


The isoko language is a small one, so it's quite uniform everywhere... I really don't think of it as having a standard, but the Bible was written in Aviara tongue
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by darfay: 12:28am On Aug 11, 2019
itunuoluwa4490:
I don't know none of those language


May God punish you and the 16 others that liked your comment, who forced you to open the thread
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by Efewestern: 12:47am On Aug 11, 2019
darfay:



The isoko language is a small one, so it's quite uniform everywhere... I really don't think of it as having a standard, but the Bible was written in Aviara tongue

The Isoko language isn't uniform, it has over 18 dialects and yes Aviara/Uzere is the standard dialect.
Re: The Official Isoko Thread! All Isoko People Should Post Here. by fratermathy(m): 8:12am On Aug 11, 2019
darfay:




Nawa o

Which kind lie b this

Please isoko people do/did not speak any urhobo dialect at any point in time, so I don't understand the rubbish about agbarho dialect being a unifying tongue between isoko and urhobo

There's no need arguing what can easily be verified with someone whose disposition is not fertile for learning.

Isoko people, for over 30 years, had their provincial headquarters at Ughelli before the Isoko province was created in 1963 with headquarters at Oleh. When they went to Ughelli, what language do you think they spoke to the Urhobos there?


Think about it. I don't need your response, however pretentiously civil it may be this time.

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