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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Chillinmasoul(m): 8:55pm On Aug 16, 2018
Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by deomelo: 8:55pm On Aug 16, 2018
Realdeals:
You mean 100m Euro has been expended between Iganmu and Marina and the work is yet to be completed? Fashola completed Iganmu to Mile 2 before leaving office.
They should also stop deceiving themselves with the red lane, FG is still struggling to create space for the Lagos-Ibadan rail track in some places like Oshodi and Ikeja


So, you are a financial and cost expert when it comes to metro rail construction? Iganmu to Marina means constructing a rail bridge and track over the Lagos Lagoon from Iganmu to Marina/CMS.


So, as a financial and construction cost expart, please tell us how much it cost tro drill and pile from Iganmu to Marina, also the cost of labor and materials and so on.


Beats me why grown adults make ignorant assertions like elementary school kids..

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by sunisonflex29(m): 8:57pm On Aug 16, 2018
can someone ask for my account number to transfer just 2k...school hunger want to kill a brother.please.
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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Doerstech(m): 8:57pm On Aug 16, 2018
Too much....how much of this will end up in Saint Tinubu pockets APC campaign fund?

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by deomelo: 8:59pm On Aug 16, 2018
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freeze001:


Obviously there is poor accountability and transparency as far as this project is concerned. Yet see what a supposed youth had to say:
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Stop spewing ignorant nonsense that you can not prove with facts, you are entitled to your opinions, even flawed opinions, but not facts that you can not prove.

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by biafranqueen: 8:59pm On Aug 16, 2018
Thiefs how can that happen until power is 24 hours in Nigeria.

Look we have to get these old goats out of our leadership positions.

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by VULCAN(m): 9:00pm On Aug 16, 2018
Yes

LaudableXX:

I don't believe his fake excuses.... after spending all dat 100 million euros? Haba! Do they think they are talking to f00ls? shocked
Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by chloride6: 9:03pm On Aug 16, 2018
RockHard:


Eh.. this has been trashed here before. They are not the same model. Besides, the Lagos one has met with series of challenges that's affected its timely delivery.

Lagos light rail is elevated for most parts since it runs on swampy land and it's also a 2 way rail.

You'll have to calculate the cost of the pilings, the concrete footings and it's larger size to accommodate the 2 trains at the same time.

It also crosses a water body and it's complete with a super highway that runs alongside it with pedestrian bridges linking the train stations which are also elevated.

The Ethiopian Lightrail runs on land and is a normal railway line with stops alongside it.

Their specifications and topography are miles apart, hence the cost difference and delivery timing. (Credit to ba7man).

Lies...

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by chloride6: 9:05pm On Aug 16, 2018
deomelo:
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Stop spewing ignorant nonsense that you can not prove with facts, you are entitled to your opinions, even flawed opinions, but not facts that you can not prove.






Weren't you the one defending $2 million per MW project the other day?

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Lazyreporta(m): 9:06pm On Aug 16, 2018
seborrhic:
Something that took Ethiopia just 4years to complete(2011-2015) at a fraction of the cost Lagos is spending and still to spend.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addis_Ababa_Light_Rail
By 2022,if it's actually completed by then,it would have taken Lagos state government 14years and probably a billion dollars to complete a light rail from Mile 2 to Marina.
This will surely enter into the Guiness book of records.

Why are you lying na?
You shared something you didn't read? Or just choose to lie?
It was completed in 3years and it's just 17km long with over $450m spent.
Na you kuku share the link

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Banmeallday: 9:08pm On Aug 16, 2018
Because blacks in Nigger Area are corrupt any project will end up costing x4 its value. However unlike Orji Kalu and Theo Orji, at least there is something world class that is left for the people...
Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Realdeals(m): 9:09pm On Aug 16, 2018
deomelo:



So, you are a financial and cost expert when it comes to metro rail construction? Iganmu to Marina means constructing a rail bridge and track over the Lagos Lagoon from Iganmu to Marina/CMS.


So, as a financial and construction cost expart, please tell us how much it cost tro drill and pile from Iganmu to Marina, also the cost of labor and materials and so on.


Beats me why grown adults make ignorant assertions like elementary school kids..

Can you tell me how much has been expended so far on the project? I don't know, I just know the whole contract including the road expansion is about $600m and out of which Ambode claim to have spent 100M Euro
What I also know is that out of the amount Ambode have spent so far, No rail station was built, even the piling across the Lagoon has not reached any appreciable level, the only work that was done on that project is between Ebute ero and CMS, what else?

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by AZeD1(m): 9:09pm On Aug 16, 2018
LaudableXX:

Guy, which other light rail project in the world is as expensive as the one that Lagos has embarked upon? Over 100 million Euro has been spent, and yet it is unfinished. Instead of trying to do a root cause analysis, we are giving excuses of topography and swamps? shocked Haba! If the same topography and swamp existed in another country, the light rail would have been completed and put into operation, since! How many years have they spent building that thing, and yet it is still uncompleted? shocked

Ottawa's LRT is costing $2 billion for the first stage. Its 12.5km in Length with a project timeline of 6 years.

Its way shorter than that of Lagos but a large part of it runs underground.

The 2nd phase which is 11km is expected to cost $1.8 billion.

So the city of Ottawa would be spending about $4B on a 24km LRT while that of Lagos is 27km.



I am not saying Lagos is transparent or not inflated.

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by deomelo: 9:10pm On Aug 16, 2018

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by jhendor(m): 9:15pm On Aug 16, 2018

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by deomelo: 9:17pm On Aug 16, 2018
Realdeals:


Can you tell me how much has been expended so far on the project? I don't know, I just know the whole contract including the road expansion is about $600m and out of which Ambode claim to have spent 100M Euro
What I also know is that out of the amount Ambode have spent so far, No rail station was built, even the piling across the Lagoon has not reached any appreciable level, the only work that was done on that project is between Ebute ero and CMS, what else?





You don't know, but you are still spewing tales and acting as if you kmnow/ Are you confuesYou are not a construction engineer and you have zero clue par what the project entails or cost of materials, labor and so on so stop spewing baseless and ignorant tales.


I can not prove what I never asserted, you made the claims about cost so the burden is on you to sow us documented facts relating to rail cost all over the world to compare with Lagos metro rail.

Do that and quit spewing rumors, gossip and flawed opinion.

Stop spewing tales that you can not prove with facts.

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by isnovic(m): 9:17pm On Aug 16, 2018
RevenGeMission:
Some people will never see anything GOOD in Ambode or APC

even in BOQs same plan built in different location will never cost the same , let alone an entirely different model which they use as comparism
/ incompetency , some people are beyond redemption

They won't consider the difference in circumstances, even till now we do not have stable power , i am sure the heavy works required to be done has to be done with electricity too


People are just stupid and it bothers me


I see!!!

In 2022, the technology would be obsolete, Spare parts will not be in manufacture anymore and by the time our rolling stock pile of 2 years is consumed we are back to ground zero.

A good plan would have put this project in a working condition under 5 years.

We simply do not want another Ajaokuta abiku mbok.

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Ikpongiton: 9:18pm On Aug 16, 2018
propagandist are fond of calling big money and quoting distant date,like 2022 will never come.common ethiopia achieved and launched a most modern rail system in africa with lesser amount

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Clean2016: 9:19pm On Aug 16, 2018
Why are you disturbing yourself explaining all these to them. Do you think he understands all what you are saying?
I seriously wonder what kind of youth we have in Nigeria.
Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by LaudableXX: 9:20pm On Aug 16, 2018
AZeD1:
Ottawa's LRT is costing $2 billion for the first stage. Its 12.5km in Length with a project timeline of 6 years.

Its way shorter than that of Lagos but a large part of it runs underground.

The 2nd phase which is 11km is expected to cost $1.8 billion.

So the city of Ottawa would be spending about $4B on a 24km LRT while that of Lagos is 27km.

I am not saying Lagos is transparent or not inflated.

Abeg, stop comparing apples with cocoyams. sad You just said that Ottawa's light rail is expected to run underground. This means drilling, excavation, concrete tunnels etc, would be prevalent in the Ottawa design. Did any part of the Lagos light rail run underground? shocked How much excavation was done, down here? The Ottawa Light Rail is expected to include a 3.2km-long downtown tunnel, unlike the Lagos light rail.

Secondly, the type of trains to be used for the Ottawa light rail system, are quite different from the Tokunbo models that would be deployed on the Lagos light rail system. They are brand new swanky Bombardier bullet trains or Bombardier Talent multiple unit trains, not the same type as those proposed for Lagos LRT.

Thirdly, the Ottawa light rail is expected to span 6 years for the entire project, from inception to completion. Lagos light rail has been under construction for how many years again....remind me?

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by deomelo: 9:22pm On Aug 16, 2018
LaudableXX:


Abeg, stop comparing apples with cocoyams. sad You just said that Ottawa's light rail is expected to run underground. This means drilling, excavation, concrete tunnels etc, would be prevalent in the Ottawa design. Did any part of the Lagos light rail run underground? shocked How much excavation was done, down here? The Ottawa Light Rail is expected to include a 3.2km-long downtown tunnel, unlike the Lagos light rail.

Secondly, the type of trains to be used for the Ottawa light rail system, are quite different from the Tokunbo models that would be deployed on the Lagos light rail system. They are brand new swanky Bombardier bullet trains, not the same type as those proposed for Lagos LRT.

Thirdly, the Ottawa light rail is expected to span 6 years for the entire project, from inception to completion. Lagos light rail has been under construction for how many years again....remind me?


Not fancy like the ones in Canada, but they are new and not Tokunbo, get your facts right..

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Olumeme: 9:22pm On Aug 16, 2018
RockHard:


Eh.. this has been trashed here before. They are not the same model. Besides, the Lagos one has met with series of challenges that's affected its timely delivery.

Lagos light rail is elevated for most parts since it runs on swampy land and it's also a 2 way rail.

You'll have to calculate the cost of the pilings, the concrete footings and it's larger size to accommodate the 2 trains at the same time.

It also crosses a water body and it's complete with a super highway that runs alongside it with pedestrian bridges linking the train stations which are also elevated.

The Ethiopian Lightrail runs on land and is a normal railway line with stops alongside it.

Their specifications and topography are miles apart, hence the cost difference and delivery timing. (Credit to ba7man).

They will always have something to say, but I can assure you that, half of the money will surely get that project done.
Ask those who knows about government contracts and procurements

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by bigsmoke2(m): 9:23pm On Aug 16, 2018
RockHard:


Eh.. this has been trashed here before. They are not the same model. Besides, the Lagos one has met with series of challenges that's affected its timely delivery.

Lagos light rail is elevated for most parts since it runs on swampy land and it's also a 2 way rail.

You'll have to calculate the cost of the pilings, the concrete footings and it's larger size to accommodate the 2 trains at the same time.

It also crosses a water body and it's complete with a super highway that runs alongside it with pedestrian bridges linking the train stations which are also elevated.

The Ethiopian Lightrail runs on land and is a normal railway line with stops alongside it.

Their specifications and topography are miles apart, hence the cost difference and delivery timing. (Credit to ba7man).
Ethiopians railway spans a distance of about 750 km Lagos railway is just 35km

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by IamEmem(m): 9:25pm On Aug 16, 2018
This zombie fellas thinks everyone thinks like them. I Ambode was a governor from the camp u will see causes rained on him at the mention of this value, but well he is a saint and justified.
So LSG mean that by the time the project is completed....500million euros would have gone down.
Chai...naija!!!

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by AZeD1(m): 9:26pm On Aug 16, 2018
LaudableXX:


Abeg, stop comparing apples with cocoyams. sad You just said that Ottawa's light rail is expected to run underground. This means drilling, excavation, concrete tunnels etc, would be prevalent in the Ottawa design. Did any part of the Lagos light rail run underground? shocked How much excavation was done, down here? The Ottawa Light Rail is expected to include a 3.2km-long downtown tunnel, unlike the Lagos light rail.

Secondly, the type of trains to be used for the Ottawa light rail system, are quite different from the Tokunbo models that would be deployed on the Lagos light rail system. They are brand new swanky Bombardier bullet trains or Bombardier Talent multiple unit trains, not the same type as those proposed for Lagos LRT.

Thirdly, the Ottawa light rail is expected to span 6 years for the entire project, from inception to completion. Lagos light rail has been under construction for how many years again....remind me?

Ottawa has underground, Lagos has bridges.
The fact that Lagos is taking long also adds to the cost of the project.


My point is LRT's are expensive and 100M euros might not "sooooo" inflated like that.

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Realdeals(m): 9:28pm On Aug 16, 2018
deomelo:






You don't know, but you are still spewing tales and acting as if you kmnow/ Are you confuesYou are not a construction engineer and you have zero clue par what the project entails or cost of materials, labor and so on so stop spewing baseless and ignorant tales.


I can not prove what I never asserted, you made the claims about cost so the burden is on you to sow us documented facts relating to rail cost all over the world to compare with Lagos metro rail.

Do that and quit spewing rumors, gossip and flawed opinion.

Stop spewing tales that you can not prove with facts.

Stop disgracing yourself, not knowing is nothing special, I'm not in that field. What I know is that $600million has been spent so far on the project out of which Ambode claim to have spent 100M Euro (i.e almost One third of the total sum) and the project is yet to cross the lagoon.





[img]https://dilemmaxdotnet.files./2015/11/lagos-blue-line-08.jpg[/img]



Fashola completed all the above pictures with rail stations

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Acidosis(m): 9:29pm On Aug 16, 2018
Jesus Christ of Narazeth!

That is N1,000,000 in 40,000 places. Imagine giving 40,000 youths N1m each!
Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by AtikuNetwork: 9:31pm On Aug 16, 2018
Speaking on the high cost of the project compared to others in other countries, Nigeria has a country risk ratings that is way higher and this has always led to a higher cost of infrastructural and developmental project within our shores, and example is the GTL plant in escravos - Nigeria (about $10B) which almost 4 times the Qatar GTL plant (about $2B) and off course the 'Lagas light rail project.

This high risk rate is as a result of the country's Political instability, falling commodity prices, central-bank policy uncertainties and conflict were the principal negative risk factors for investors to contemplate at the turn of the year, also are the investment risk of a country, such as risk of default on a bond, risk of losing direct investment, risk to global business relations alongside economic performance/projections, structural assessment, debt and Credit Ratings, access to bank finance, access to capital markets, etc.

Well, with all these at play, would you as a foreign contractor not protect your company, machines/equipment, staff, finances, and all forms of investments etc with more and higher insurances, security, etc?

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by wristbangle: 9:34pm On Aug 16, 2018
A whooping amount of 100 million euros could drive the project beyond it's currently state of development. So much round tripping, siphoning and magnanimous corruption.

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by RexTramadol1: 9:37pm On Aug 16, 2018
Ambode my friend don fall my hand oh




€100m for something not completed?




And more to be spent?



The reasons given ain't logical enough, China built rail tracks inside a rock



I mean they carved it out of the rock




And I don't think it costs that much



For people shouting topography, you're not well grounded in this things




What is gulping money isn't funding of the project but manpower from the construction company which will be lodged in top hotels, fed n escorted



Why not use our own boys for a large expertise job and save cost, they'll even charge less




I just can't understand

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Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by Horus(m): 9:38pm On Aug 16, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryTIov4asl4

Lagos Blue rail

The lagos blue rail project is a part of the Lagos Rail mass transit scheme developed as far back as 1983, but approved in 2008 by the state government, the timeline for completion has been dragged for so long that, it seems lagos residents and many who have waited this long might still not enjoy the rail service any time soon... till about year 2020
Re: Ambode Spends Over 100mn Euros On Lagos Light Rail Project by deomelo: 9:40pm On Aug 16, 2018
bigsmoke2:

Ethiopians railway spans a distance of about 750 km Lagos railway is just 35km



[b]System length 31.6 km (19.6 mi)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addis_Ababa_Light_Rail[/b]


Stop lying, Ethiopia metro rail is only 31 km long.

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