CSTR1005:

You were perpetual opposition for 16 years.

If Jonathan didn't annoy the north by running again instead of stepping aside, and consequently gave buhari a northern rallying point for the very first time, you would still remain perpetual opposition dancing up and down in the ACN .

And who were the political juggernauts in igbo land during this time and where are they now?

Meanwhile, I won't talk about OBJ. Someone told me he's from Ebonyi

Shukuakukobambi:


Wike that broke the zoning arrangement between upland and riverrine in Rivers state and didn't care till all.the riverrine candidates fell in line?

So what will Wike be doing when his 'boy' from.the SE becomes president?

Let's hope PDP wins in 2019 so we can check Wike out I'm 2023

Wike is not a political idiot. He knows where his inherent strength comes from, which is why you see him pay homage to the south east regularly.

National politics is not Rivers politics. That is a fact wike very well knows.

If wike runs in 2023,then he must have been endorsed by the powers that be and allowed to , not because he is one strongman that cannot be controlled like you are alluding to.

Wike may very well run as an igbo candidate. It is very possible.

But I doubt it. There are better igbo candidates.

CSTR1005:

There is nothing wrong with him seeking presidency.

But I am sure he is smart enough not to.

Whoever runs will be his stooge, to prepare the ground for him just like amaechi did for him till they fell out.

He will run for presidency one day, but not in 2023.

He is right now a pdp leader pulling strings for his boys.

My friend, stop analyzing politics based on emotions. Wike will seek the presidency for himself in 2023 and that exactly is the smart thing to do if you ask me. Supporting an Igbo candidate means he has to wait for 16 years after 2023 to take a shot at the presidency. Wike that I know is not that patient.

CSTR1005:

Wike is not a political idiot. He knows where his inherent strength comes from, which is why you see him pay homage to the south east regularly.

National politics is not Rivers politics. That is a fact wike very well knows.

If wike runs in 2023,then he must have been endorsed by the powers that be and allowed to , not because he is one strongman that cannot be controlled like you are alluding to.

Wike may very well run as an igbo candidate. It is very possible.

But I doubt it. There are better igbo candidates.

In bold there is the point. Just like he got the powers that be GEJ and PEJ to endorse his usurpation of the riverrine slot in 2015, he'll do same when it comes down south. Wike will never settle for Odili's fate whose only claim to relevance today is his wife's supreme Court membership.

Anyway, 2023 is still Faraway

seunmsg:


My friend, stop analyzing politics based on emotions. Wike will seek the presidency for himself in 2023 and that exactly is the smart thing to do if you ask me. Supporting an Igbo candidate means he has to wait for 16 years after 2023 to take a shot at the presidency. Wike that I know is not that patient.

You are the ones basing it on emotions.

There is no indication wike want to run. Given the kind of person he is, he would be vocal about it by now.

Even then I agreed that there is a possibility he will run because this is politics, but then, I doubt it.

You on the other hand are claiming wike must run when there is no indication of that.

Your emotional anti-igbo bias is causing you to make emotional conclusion that is not grounded on current facts.

Maybe you don't know that a wike candidacy is still an igbo candidacy.

You re 100% right! The northerners have no problem with Igbos. APC will never field an Igbo presidential candidate. I pity Igbos who think there is hope for them in APC. "

LadyExcellency:
Just come to read comments from Southwesterners.

There is nothing like Southern Nigeria, we may have Northern Nigeria but not South. It's either East or West.

The North will support Nigerian presidency of Igbo extraction but majority of southwesterns will either stay home or vote a fringe candidate if the two major parties were to field candidate from Southeast

seunmsg:


My friend, stop analyzing politics based on emotions. Wike will seek the presidency for himself in 2023 and that exactly is the smart thing to do if you ask me. Supporting an Igbo candidate means he has to wait for 16 years after 2023 to take a shot at the presidency. Wike that I know is not that patient.

Is it only Wike? Which politician is patient? See Tambuwal of yesterday angling to dethrone buhari and my friend here expects Wike to be patient when he's the MVP in PDP now?

What do they think all Wike's suffering for PDP is for? Thunder fire patience

Shukuakukobambi:


And who were the political juggernauts in igbo land during this time and where are they now?

Meanwhile, I won't talk about OBJ. Someone told me he's from Ebonyi

lol.

The pdp was dominated by igbos.

Maybe you forget that igbos are referred to as "any government in power".

We have always been in power, even without the presidency.

CSTR1005:
You are the ones basing it on emotions.

There is no indication wike want to run. Given the kind of person he is, he would be vocal about it by now.

Even then I agreed that there is a possibility he will run because this is politics, but then, I doubt it.

You on the other hand are claiming wike must run when there is no indication of that.

Your emotional anti-igbo bias is causing you to make emotional conclusion that is not grounded on current facts.

Maybe you don't know that a wike candidacy is still an igbo candidacy.

Nobody knew Wike wanted to run in 2015 till the 2nd quarter of 2014. Most thought he'll want to go to the Senate he was persuaded to step down from for George Sekibo in 2011.

He took all the riverrine candidates unaware. I remember all their wailing on radio stations in PH over the matter even after his kangaroo primary endorsed him. Wike is smart and in politics, the smart thing is moving by stealth.

CSTR1005:

lol.

The pdp was dominated by igbos.

Maybe you forget that igbos are referred to as "any government in power".

We have always been in power, even without the presidency.

You're called agip because you support any government in power, not that you had any power. Don't get it twisted

Even today, Bukola Saraki has more power in PDP than anybody from the SE

CSTR1005:

lol.

The pdp was dominated by igbos.

Maybe you forget that igbos are referred to as "any government in power".

We have always been in power, even without the presidency.

Bro where did you get this info from? Are you using the old Biafra map or current regional figures and facts?

In terms of voters contribution, Akwa Ibom and Delta gave more to PDP than the entire S.E and if you add other S.S. states, then Igbo contribution to PDP becomes less significant which now gives candidates from S.S. more right to presidency than S.E. candidates. It is same reason NW candidates always get the presidency in the north, cos they are more than any other region in the North.

How many states is PDP controlling in SE? 3 compare to 5 from South South.

It will be a pipe dream for Igbos to expect presidency on the platter of just being Igbo.

Igbos dont just have the numbers to effect any serious change or control except they build real alliances.

Unfortunately instead of building alliances they are creating more enmity by the day...

fk001:



Then what will you do now, since ApC have already given Buhari automatic ticket as their presidential candidate.


Just curious.

We should be ready to offer Northern Nigeria another 8 to 12 years of presidency to give us young and intelligent technocrat like Ribadu just to save Nigeria from another 4 years intending disaster from cabals to avoid total collapse of what remains of Nigeria

LadyExcellency:


We should be ready to offer Northern Nigeria another 12 years of presidency just to save Nigeria from another 4 years intending disaster from cabals to avoid total collapse of what remains of Nigeria

Rather we should just be patient and optimistic thing's we be right again.


Let's support him for his last term

fk001:



Rather we should just be patient and optimistic thing's we be right again.


Let's support him for his last term

He can't control his kinsmen from running amok.

The gains of our democracy is under threat. Thanks VP for curtailing the excesses of Buhari's men from overreach. At least they now understand there is limit to abuse of power

CSTR1005:

The same applies to the sw.

You have succeeded in ruling yourself out of a pdp presidential candidacy .
Maybe you believe APC will continue ruling.

There is a 40-60% chance of an igbo emerging as APC presidential candidate given the moves igbo APC stalwarts like ngige, Kalu and Co are making right now, and given the fact that an igbo presidency is the most natural thing in the world right now and long overdue.

But there is a near 0% chance that a Yoruba man emerges as pdp presidential candidate in the future.

In fact, there is a possibility that fate can throw up two igbo presidential opponents in the APC and pdp.

When you finally wake up from your dreams, you will see that the world is not what you think it is

senatordave1:

Ma,southeast getting the presidency in 2023 depends on the percentage of votes they contribute next year.anything short of 30% will foreclose the eastern chance.it now behoves on okorocha,ouk,ngige and onu to deliver their respective states or at least poll significant votes from there.
Am also looking at possibility though far fetched of obiano joining apc before 2023 to snatch the ticket.tony nwoye or andy ubah can pull a shocker.rotimi amaechi can also claim ibo and join the fray

I have been resisting the temptation of honouring your infantile speculations and puerile conjectures with a response but have no option but to torpedo the castles you are building in the air.

The Igbos will never embrace APC. We shall actualize our political destiny in the most auspicious of times.

Shallow thinking folks like you who go about creating self-serving and hallucinatory threads are as ridiculous as you are pitiable and quixotic.

What does it say about the depth/profundity of mental capital when you elect to place APC/Buhari on the pedestal of a political dynasty?

The last time I checked Buhari has not even completed a single term and from the reading of the political barometer, he lacks any discernible traction to suggest that he will not be swept aside by the maelstrom of opposition forces coalescing against him next year.

We Igbos will ascend the Presidency with or without the APC.

Now put your finger on the forgoing. Politics is beyond propaganda and noise making...

maestroferddi:
[s]I have been resisting the temptation of honouring your infantile speculations and puerile conjectures with a response but have no option but to torpedo the castles you are building in the air.

The Igbos will never embrace APC. We shall actualize our political destiny in the most auspicious of times.

Shallow thinking folks like you who go about creating self-serving and hallucinatory threads are as ridiculous as you are pitiable and quixotic.

What does it say about the depth/profundity of mental capital when you elect to place APC/Buhari on the pedestal of a political dynasty?

The last time I checked Buhari has not even completed a single term and from the reading of the political barometer, he lacks any discernible traction to suggest that he will not be swept aside by the maelstrom of opposition forces coalescing against him next year.

We Igbos will ascend the Presidency with or without the APC.[/s]

Now put your finger on the forgoing. Politics is beyond propaganda and noise making...

The truth and nothing but the truth. It's so true on both sides. Noisemaking is useless.

Tomorrow is indeed pregnant.....very very pregnant

FAMILY247:
@LadyExcellency all your debates lack depths and there is no ethnic group in Nigeria that goes about with so much hate and bitterness like the ones, and if you think that an average northerner will vote a candidate from from the south eastern ethnic group then it clearly shows you no next to nothing about politics in Nigeria.

Going forward I think most likely in 2013 we will likely have APC fielding a Yoruba candidate and PDP going with an Ibo candidate.

Your narrow-mindedness is laughable.

The north don't give a damn about the South West, if I must drum that into your thick skull.

Nigeria did not begin in 2015.

The East has worked with the north since 1960 just to give a perspective on the wishful thinking most Yoruba people are indulging in.

If there is anything the northern establishment care about, it is ensuring that power returns to the north, at most, after 8 years. As soon as the north are through in this dispensation, they will cede power to the part of Nigeria that will put their ability to reclaim power at the lowest risk.

That section will not be the South West because the power brokers know that the quest for Igbo presidency will reach an unhealthy crescendo if power rotates from the north to the south West and back to the north without he Igbos having a bite at the cherry.

Politicians are not fools. Some misguided Yorubas are getting carried away. One plus one in politics may not equate two.

Politics is underpinned by expediency as has been proved time and time again. We are watching...

seunmsg:


The two big parties will not be presenting a northern candidate in 2023.

You dear is a politically naive young man.Yes if indeed Buhari wins as most people in the sw wants tmabd the APC presents a SW presidential candidate in 2023 them he will be contesting against a Northern candidate/SE vice presidential candidate. You guys really make me laugh

LadyExcellency:


In 1999, Obasanjo was PDP candidate, Olufalae was AD Candidate while Ogbonnaya Onu was Presidential candidate for ANPP. Yet Ogbonnaya Onu was forced to step down for AD Candidate through merger. We had no option but two Yoruba candidates.

Why wouldn't the same be applicable? Why wouldn't Southwesterners in APC stepdown for Ogbonnaya Onu to fly APC presidential flag in 2023?

As for the comment in bold, you can take that to the bank, majority of APC Stewarts will opt for Igbo candidate for presidency, but the Southwest will logically insist on Osinbajo or Tinubu.

you are reading my mind. Tinubu will never use 2023 to joke with anybody and the moment Tinubu wish to contest or nominates a candidate, believe me, nobody in Southeast would block his way. And by then, Igbo will left with nothing.

maestroferddi:
Your narrow-mindedness is laughable.

The north don't give a damn about the South West, if I must drum that into your thick skull.

Nigeria did not begin in 2015.

The East has worked with the north since 1960 just to give a perspective on the wishful thinking most Yoruba people are indulging in.

If there is anything the northern establishment care about, it is ensuring that power returns to the north, at most, after 8 years. As soon as the north are through in this dispensation, the will cede power to the part of Nigeria that will put their ability to reclaim power at the lowest risk.

That section will not be the South West because the power brokers know that the quest for Igbo presidency will reach an unhealthy crescendo if power rotates form the north to the south West and back to the north with the Igbos having a bite at the cherry.

Politicians are not fools. Some misguided Yorubas are getting carried away. One plus one in politics may not equate two.

Politics is underpinned by expediency as has been proved time and time again. We are watching...

Finally.......Yet some mumus will call their mothers husbands slaves

When we say the SE are the natural sidekick and bride of the north (i won't be uncouth by mentioning slaves), some think it's an insult. It's just the truth. A Yoruba man knows how to wield presidential power. See what OBJ did, see what Osinbajo has done in just acting capacity

I've been telling folks that Buhari isn't part of the mafia in the north. He's an outsider and the real oligarchy have never felt the north is really in power with him, buhari's power is from the talakawas, so truly, they'll go to their natural ally(SE) only that the SS too now knows power is easy to get and Wike is chilling

in 20 years of return to democracy, Yoruba have done 8 years presidency, 4 years VP/Acting presidency. It's not bad for another tribe to try their luck of course after purging themselves of all the biafla or death chants

seunmsg:


The ticket can never be microzoned to the south east. Even in PDP, they refused to microzone the chairmanship to the south west and the presidency to the north west. Zoning is strictly between the south and north. Any interested candidate from the south can vie for the party ticket in 2023. Don't let's start deceiving some people here hence, they will go to sleep with a sense of undeserved entitlement.

If the Igbo's want the presidency, they will have to work seriously for it. They will have to compete with other zones in the south for it. It won't be gifted to them on a platter of gold or by mere threat of secession. Yoruba's are already positioning Osinbajo for 2023, Igbo's also need to start positioning their candidate as well. Emotional rants won't cut it, trust me.

You are insufferably pathetic.

So if in the future the micro zoning arrangement is adopted, almighty you will reverse it, abi?

Truth be told, most of you people masquerading as political analysts here don't know nada about the game.

What you people present are slanted views chiselled to suit your blinkered worldviews.

Musings bereft of considered intellectual input...

Shukuakukobambi:


Finally.......Yet some mumus will call their mothers husbands slaves

When we say the SE are the natural sidekick and bride of the north (i won't be uncouth by mentioning slaves), some think it's an insult. It's just the truth. A Yoruba man knows how to wield presidential power. See what OBJ did, see what Osinbajo has done in just acting capacity

I've been telling folks that Buhari isn't part of the mafia in the north. He's an outsider and the real oligarchy have never felt the north is really in power with him, buhari's power is from the talakawas, so truly, they'll go to their natural ally(SE) only that the SS too now knows power is easy to get and Wike is chilling

in 20 years of return to democracy, Yoruba had done 8 years presidency, 4 years VP/Acting presidency. It's not bad for another tribe to try their luck of course after purging themselves of all the biafla or death chants

You are getting giddy with misplaced excitement...

I will let slide your faulty inferences and twisted suppositions...

LadyExcellency:


In 1999, Obasanjo was PDP candidate, Olufalae was AD Candidate while Ogbonnaya Onu was Presidential candidate for ANPP. Yet Ogbonnaya Onu was forced to step down for AD Candidate through merger. We had no option but two Yoruba candidates.

Why wouldn't the same be applicable? Why wouldn't Southwesterners in APC stepdown for Ogbonnaya Onu to fly APC presidential flag in 2023?

As for the comment in bold, you can take that to the bank, majority of APC Stewarts will opt for Igbo candidate for presidency, but the Southwest will logically insist on Osinbajo or Tinubu.

Ogbonnaya didn't step down for Falae, he was defeated

raumdeuter:


Ogbonnaya didn't step down for Falae, he was defeated

Defeated ke ? Are you rewriting history?

maestroferddi:
You are getting giddy with misplaced excitement...

I will let slide your faulty inferences and twisted suppositions...

I am not my friend

It's not a crime for you to build alliances. Only some of your juvenile delinquents started the slavery rubbish simply because Yoruba decided to align with the same folks you've been with since 1960!! Some started calling betrayal and i ask betrayal of what? Did anybody accuse ndigbo of betrayal when 3 out of 4 igbo states voted Tofa instead of Abiola in 1993? We all understood it was simply politics. only idiots and nincompoops tagged it something else

Nothing to be ashamed of. play your games well and you'll get the presidency. GEJ's case has showed us how easy it is to get

raumdeuter:


Ogbonnaya didn't step down for Falae, he was defeated

Go and read your books. Defeated by who?

AD and APP merged and both parties NEC agreed to support AD presidential candidate

maestroferddi:
I have been resisting the temptation of honouring your infantile speculations and puerile conjectures with a response but have no option but to torpedo the castles you are building in the air.

The Igbos will never embrace APC. We shall actualize our political destiny in the most auspicious of times.

Shallow thinking folks like you who go about creating self-serving and hallucinatory threads are as ridiculous as you are pitiable and quixotic.

What does it say about the depth/profundity of mental capital when you elect to place APC/Buhari on the pedestal of a political dynasty?

The last time I checked Buhari has not even completed a single term and from the reading of the political barometer, he lacks any discernible traction to suggest that he will not be swept aside by the maelstrom of opposition forces coalescing against him next year.

We Igbos will ascend the Presidency with or without the APC.

Now put your finger on the forgoing. Politics is beyond propaganda and noise making...

Apart from the grammar you typed,you succeeded in saying nothing else

senatordave1:

Apart from the grammar you typed,you succeeded in saying nothing else

Try and raise your game... You becoming too childish/banal for my liking...

Why do I have the feeling that you are wasting my time?

Am enjoying the robust and engaging debate and contributions.keep it coming.

maestroferddi:
Try and raise your game... You becoming too childish/banal for my liking...

Why do I have the feeling that you are wasting my time?

Up buhari.

LadyExcellency:


Go and read your books. Defeated by who?

AD and APP merged and both parties NEC agreed to support AD presidential candidate

The NEC decided to support Falae and how does that equal to Ogbonaya stepping down?

Falae won the politicking over Ogbonoya who threatened to go to court

Onu did not willingly step down he was dumped by the party the same way Ekwueme was dumped in favor of OBJ