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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:18am On Aug 25, 2018
thebigkendo:


Thanks God Pitokwe is a cartalker so am sure we will be informed if anythings goes wrong before or after warrantee period


Exactly. That's why I told who it was. Again, 100% confident and transparent.

That is also why he hasn't posted his story yet. He is taking his time before he does and I'm fine with that.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 9:25am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


Many people on Nairaland have talked to Glen. Look through the threads. If you want to go up against him, your funeral. I'm more your speed.

Actually, I wasn't going to bring it up but in this case from what I understand, YOU presented a choice to the customer and we presented ours. He chose ours. We never spoke to him about a replacement because you already had so.... Also, not a Camry.

Imagine the wealth of info he would provide cartalk if he signs up.

meanwhile, a 2az-fe aluminum engine with overheating. Longterm a Full rebuild would be better off, not just replacing Headgasket and re-threading the block. piston rings and crankshaft seals are affected by sever overheating.

If rebuild was an option, it should have been more detailed.

replacement with low mileage engine would save client repeated visits to workshop overtime for other unrelated issues.

Possibly client had a lower budget in mind for this fix.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 9:27am On Aug 25, 2018
can we stop modifying after posting, it's hard to keep up, just repost.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 9:29am On Aug 25, 2018
. WHAT IS THIS OBSESSION ON NAIRALAND WITH "REPLACE ENGINE" AND "REPLACE COMPRESSOR/CONDENSER"??

Most of the time, that is not necessary and is only recommended because they either can't or won't diagnose what actual component in the system is causing the problem so they just replace the whole system.

Rebuilds only take 2-3 days unless there is a parts delay

e.g. other recommendation on here ( sight unseen I might add) was 300k engine replacement. Actual solution only cost 113k and did NOT require an engine replacement SMH.

Evil
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:33am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


Evil

Not evil, true. Where is the untrue part?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 9:41am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


And we tore down the whole motor before we listed what needed changing. Actually have a video but can't figure out how to post here. Plus I'm mad he put parts on the floor instead of the work bench when assembling so I told him to do it better and make new video

YouTube.. Then share link on nairaland.. I am interested in the video.

NB I noticed your technicians don't use safety Glasses & hand gloves angry angry
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:43am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


Imagine the wealth of info he would provide cartalk if he signs up.

meanwhile, a 2az-fe aluminum engine with overheating. Longterm a Full rebuild would be better off, not just replacing Headgasket and re-threading the block. piston rings and crankshaft seals are affected by sever overheating.

If rebuild was an option, it should have been more detailed.

replacement with low mileage engine would save client repeated visits to workshop overtime for other unrelated issues.

Possibly client had a lower budget in mind for this fix.

Here's the thing. When I came in the scene and tried to help people, you took umbrage and I apologized and bowed out did I not?

Then you put this thread out there and some people took your view and others didn't. Why are you so upset? For the most part I've left you alone even when your diagnosis or advice was clearly wrong but didn't say a word. Nairaland is after all your playground. But if you come at me directly, I will respond especially when I know you are wrong.

In this case, you came at me over the Corolla and I tried to soft pedal it. I eventually had to let you know you were working on the wrong assumptions so you couldn't pull off what we did. Your pretty much changed topic when you realised that it was in fact possible.

Then you chose to switch to this vehicle and you're not even right about the kind of car it is! Then you call me evil. For presenting another point of view from yours? The crazy thing is that this vehicle was originally your repair but the customer wasn't satisfied with your advice but I never revealed that it was you until now How does this make me evil for presenting an alternative?

I put it to the house/your demeanors: "are my actions in fact evil"?

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:45am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:
can we stop modifying after posting, it's hard to keep up, just repost.

Sorry, perfectionist.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:46am On Aug 25, 2018
thebigkendo:


YouTube.. Then share link on nairaland.. I am interested in the video.

NB I noticed your technicians don't use safety Glasses & hand gloves angry angry

Depends on what they are doing. They have them. Glen personally hates gloves and never uses them. Occasionally, glasses.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 9:49am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


Here's the thing. When I came in the scene and tried to help people, you took umbrage and I apologized and bowed out did I not?

Then you put this thread out there and some people took your view and others didn't. Why are you so upset? For the most part I've left you alone even when your diagnosis or advice was clearly wrong but didn't say a word. Nairaland is after all your playground. But if you come at me directly, I will respond especially when I know you are wrong.

In this case, you came at me over the Corolla and I tried to soft pedal it. I eventually had to let you know you were working on the wrong assumptions so you couldn't pull off what we did. Your pretty much changed topic when you realised that it was in fact possible.

Then you chose to switch to this vehicle and you're not even right about the kind of car it is! Then you call me evil. For presenting another point of view from yours? The crazy thing is that this vehicle was originally your repair but the customer wasn't satisfied with your advice but I never revealed that it was you until now How does this make me evil for presenting an alternative?

I put it to the house/your demeanors: "are my actions in fact evil"?



Before we go far, nothing personal, just talking CAR.

meanwhile pitokowe I am sure I did not open your engine and put those tools in there, please clear the air because I have no knowledge of this.


Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:50am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


Before we go far, nothing personal, just talking CAR.

meanwhile pitokowe I am sure I did not open your engine and put those tools in there, please clear the air because I have no knowledge of this.



No one said you did. You're not incompetent. I said you recommended the 300k replacement to him.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by mayor2013: 9:59am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


Such a strong word! I'm not sure how I made it look evil. You started this thread and we both presented our cases so....

Many people on Nairaland have talked to Glen. Look through the threads. If you want to go up against him, your funeral. I'm more your speed.

Again, I'm not sure where your are getting these symptoms because those weren't the problem when he came lol. You assume things A LOT.

Actually, I wasn't going to bring it up BUT from what I understand, YOU presented a replacement choice to the customer and we presented ours. He chose ours. We never spoke to him about a replacement because YOU already had so.... Also, not a Camry.

If client insisted on a replacement. Where would you source your engine from?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 9:59am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


No one said you did. You're not incompetent. I said you recommended the 300k replacement to him.

sounds like my kind of quote grin funny thing is I doubt this car ever got to my workshop
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 10:02am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


sounds like my kind of quote grin funny thing is I doubt this car ever got to my workshop

It didn't. It was a sight unseen recommendation which is part of why he was upset.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 10:03am On Aug 25, 2018
mayor2013:


If client insisted on a replacement. Where would you source your engine from?

We would refer them to team replace unless they were willing to import one of ours.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by mayor2013: 10:05am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


We would refer them to you unless they were willing to import one of ours.

@ what cost?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 10:05am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


We would refer them to you
unless they were willing to import one of ours.

send them to me nah pls.

So no sourcing parts from our IPOB brothers is ruled out?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by mayor2013: 10:06am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


send them to me nah pls.

So no sourcing parts from our IPOB brothers is ruled out?

grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 10:08am On Aug 25, 2018
Then I guess I understand your stand on replacing an engine.

NIGERIAN market is ruled out as an option.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 10:09am On Aug 25, 2018
mayor2013:


@ what cost?

That's between you and them. From what you guys keep saying you'll always be cheaper than us anyway right cheesy
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 10:10am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


send them to me nah pls.

So no sourcing parts from our IPOB brothers is ruled out?

Have I changed from day one?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 10:10am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


It didn't. It was a sight unseen recommendation which is part of why he was upset.

sadly after doing these things for a while both ways, you know what to expect.

I was just being my usual self when it comes to certain engines and levels of anticipated abuse.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Kashif(m): 10:14am On Aug 25, 2018
Easy, easy, easy.... calling out Radautoworks and Gazzuzz especially angry

I would advise you both post no more here, as it is getting a little personal.

Now, there is a difference between a repair and a rebuild. When you replace few components like was done on the Corolla in discuss, it should not be called a rebuild. Rebuild and repair do not have same warranty, because you can only warranty the replaced part.

If a full rebuild is carried out, the warranty should not be less than a year.

Most times, a Tech's marketing capacity plays a critical role in swaying the customer's decision. If I can get higher warranty on replacement than a repair or rebuild at same cost, I will go with replacement.

Both approaches come with considerable analysis before deciding. Know when to repair, rebuild or replace.

Peace.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by evilspirit: 10:16am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


Which is fair enough. At the end of the day, it's your choice. We just put our faith in our product not other people's plain and simple.

We understand the labor concept will be hard because it's not what you're used to but it takes 20.2 hours for the crankshaft on that car and 14.6 for the engine replacement. That's why the labor is what it is. If you notice, that's just a 30k difference in labor.

If he wants to work at a labor rate of N2,500 per hour, more power to him. Our labor rate is N5,000 and it's dirt cheap for what we do.

Like I said, we are 100% transparent.

notice also that the crankshaft is an A level skill while the engine replace is a B level skill.. we really should charge more for labor but don't.

This is Nigeria we don't get paid per hour we get paid monthly. Most times you negotiate salary per month. I hope you pay your workers househelps drivers per hr

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 10:18am On Aug 25, 2018
evilspirit:


This is Nigeria we don't get paid per hour we get paid monthly. Most times you negotiate salary per month. I hope you pay your workers househelps drivers per hr

You missed some older threads explaining this.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 10:19am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


Depends on what they are doing. They have them. Glen personally hates gloves and never uses them. Occasionally, glasses.

Hahaha I personally don't like using gloves also but at my workplace... Dem no dey carry safety play grin grin
Gloves are not really compulsory depending on what you are doing but glasses are a must even when just walking around the facility angry angry

Hope you noticed the YouTube bits in the previous quote

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 10:20am On Aug 25, 2018
Kashif:
Easy, easy, easy.... calling out Radautoworks and Gazzuzz especially angry

I would advise you both post no more here, as it is getting a little personal.

Now, there is a difference between a repair and a rebuild. When you replace few components like was done on the Corolla in discuss, it should not be called a rebuild. Rebuild and repair do not have same warranty, because you can only warranty the replaced part.

If a full rebuild is carried out, the warranty should not be less than a year.

Most times, a Tech's marketing capacity plays a critical role in swaying the customer's decision. If I can get higher warranty on replacement than a repair or rebuild at same cost, I will go with replacement.

Both approaches come with considerable analysis before deciding. Know when to repair, rebuild or replace.

Peace.

Concur. Thanks. And notice I didn't call it a rebuild when I posted. I simply said they didn't need a replacement.

"New one. Toyota Corolla. Owner ready for engine replacement but really all it needs is crankshaft and oil pump. Owner will have a 6 month warranty parts and labor on the repair."
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by evilspirit: 10:21am On Aug 25, 2018
diportivo:


nah

he's too arrogant and cocky to even answer u on the fone and give u an appointment

fact!!undecided

Forget that if I have to a choose a mechanic I will choose gazzuzz over anybody.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 10:24am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


sounds like my kind of quote grin funny thing is I doubt this car ever got to my workshop

You probably gave estimate on phone grin grin

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 10:25am On Aug 25, 2018
thebigkendo:


Hahaha I personally don't like using gloves also but at my workplace... Dem no dey carry safety play grin grin
Gloves are not really compulsory depending on what you are doing but glasses are a must even when just walking around the facility angry angry

Hope you noticed the YouTube bits in the previous quote

Yup I did. I emailed you but now I'm thinking I'll wait for the redo.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by evilspirit: 10:26am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


Now I have nothing against rebuilds, but when only 3 major items out of many engine parts will be replaced @ the total cost of a low mileage engine is why I had to speak up. engines are made up of more than just crankshaft, oilpump and bearings sir.
there are a lot more parts that have suffered wear and tear and they will not be replaced for under 140,000 worth of parts.

This Particular Rebuild is good for business.

Exactly there are other parts of the engine that are probably worn out. In due time they give up and 250k is over.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 10:27am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:
Then I guess I understand your stand on replacing an engine.

NIGERIAN market is ruled out as an option.


I explained that in the other thread you quoted a long time ago..

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