OneJ:



Seun , the NL moniker," hairyrapunzel " alleged that "according to the watchtower, Jesus was disobeying Jehovah when he talked to Satan".
Kai !!!!!!!!!

I'm not surprised that someone whose series of lies & distortion of facts on NL, puts a big question mark on his integrity, sanity & credibility, would be so dubious to concoct such a lie.
Mr Seun,pls feel free to investigate.
Shalom

Why do you try to justify my own lies with twisted Bible verses and watchtower magazines if they are actually lies?

Did Jesus not converse with Satan in the Bible?
Did jehovah tell us that people who hold contrary opinion to the belief of jehovah witnesses are apostates?
Did jehovah tell you that criticizing governing body non biblical doctrines makes one an apostate?

You have been calling me a serial liar yet you defend believing the lies and giving reason why my lies are true while calling me a serial liar. Everyone has been going through your write up.

You can't cook up an assumption then make it a belief/doctrine then expect people not to talk. People are not robots/zombies. Let this sink into your brain.

Seun:

No, he was making a point that if talking to an apostate is against Jehovah’s will, then surely talking to Satan, who was the first apostate, is against Jehovah’s will.


Can you list some more examples of the distortion and lies that you are accusing him of putting on Nairaland?

It's obvious he doesn't agree. with JW beliefs & teachings ,no be by force. There is freedom of choice & it is his human right.

He lied that the Almighty God ,Jehovah is "blood thirsty sadistic " & JWs wish "genocide/mass murder" on others.

He has alleged on NL so many times without number, that Jehovah's witnesses is a cult. Yet he has no proof .

OneJ:


It's obvious he doesn't agree. with JW beliefs & teachings ,no be by force. There is freedom of choice & it is his human right.

He has alleged on NL so many times without number, that Jehovah's witnesses is a cult. Yet he has no proof .

SEE PROOF THAT JWS ARE A CULT

Behavior Control

- Promote dependence and obedience eg only gb dispense spiritual food and you must obey them

- Modify behavior with rewards and punishments eg you must do all gb says you should do or get disfelow shipped. If you do what gb says you will not get slaughtered in Armageddon and you must enter paradise earth


- Dictate where and with whom you live eg avoid association with worldly (non jws), only mix with active jws


- Restrict or control sexuality eg put watchtower organization rules about sexual intercourse first.


- Control clothing and hairstyle eg wear only suit an tie, shave your beards (roman culture o) don't carry beards (Jewish culture) wear only skirt to meeting.

- Exploit you financially eg giving your valuables( assets, real estate, money, bonds, stocks, businesses, time, strength etc) to jehovah (invisible person) will make you happy.



- Restrict leisure time and activities always go door to door or sit beside cart. Your time is for jehovah (watchtower organization)


- Require you to seek permission for major decisions eg marriage, higher education, medical procedure (blood transfusion)

OneJ:


It's obvious he doesn't agree. with JW beliefs & teachings ,no be by force. There is freedom of choice & it is his human right.

He lied that the Almighty God ,Jehovah is "blood thirsty sadistic " & JWs wish "genocide/mass murder" on others.

He has alleged on NL so many times without number, that Jehovah's witnesses is a cult. Yet he has no proof .

SEE PROOF AGAIN THAT JW IS A CULT


Information Control


- Deliberately withhold and distort information eg misquoting sources to justify their non biblical doctrines. Distorting secular sources to make non biblical doctrines seem acceptable.


- Forbid you from speaking with ex-members and critics eg ALWAYS SAYING JWS SHOULD BEWARE OF APOSTATES also saying people who criticize the religion and gb non biblical doctrines are apostates.



- Discourage access to non-cult sources of information eg teaching and saying non cult sources are equivalent to viewing pornography (emotional manipulation)


- Divide information into Insider vs. Outsider doctrine eg Christendom ( Christian churches) and jehovah organization.

- Generate and use propaganda extensively eg saying the end of the world is imminent and the only way to survive the impending doom going to befall mankind is by joining watchtower organization and obeying gb teaching.


- Use information gained in confession sessions against you eg disfellowshipping after judicial committee


- Gaslight to make you doubt your own memory
Manipulate and brainwashing via repetitive doctrines in watchtower magazines


- Require you to report thoughts, feelings, & activities to superiors eg reporting time spent on field device and judicial committee to make people confess


- Encourage you to spy and report on others’ “misconduct” eg watchtower organization policy on reporting people who disobey rules to the elders

OneJ:


It's obvious he doesn't agree. with JW beliefs & teachings ,no be by force. There is freedom of choice & it is his human right.

He lied that the Almighty God ,Jehovah is "blood thirsty sadistic " & JWs wish "genocide/mass murder" on others.

He has alleged on NL so many times without number, that Jehovah's witnesses is a cult. Yet he has no proof .

Come and see further proof that your religion is a cult
Thought Control

- Instill Black vs. White, Us vs. Them, & Good vs. Evil thinking: very common eg worldly people are wicked, unrighteous and evil as far as they are not in watchtower organization they are bad.


- Change your identity, possibly even your name you may not change your name but your identity changes eg you stop celebrating holidays with your non jw family when you join watchtower organization.

- Use loaded language and cliches to stop complex thought eg telling people once they have doubt about gb bible interpretation that means they have doubt against jehovah. Gb saying independent thinking is bad and its a form of apostasy.

- Induce hypnotic or trance states to indoctrinate eg repetition of dying in Armageddon.


- Teach thought-stopping techniques to prevent critical thoughts eg don't question gb ever changing doctrines because it is always right or gb saying jehovah hates independent thinking therefore they are the only ones allowed to think on for you.


- Allow only positive thoughts eg paradise earth

- Use excessive meditation, singing, prayer, & chanting to block thoughts eg repetition of doctrines/activities


- Reject rational analysis, critical thinking, & doubt eg gb saying only gb teaching is right and every other teaching satanic

OneJ:


It's obvious he doesn't agree. with JW beliefs & teachings ,no be by force. There is freedom of choice & it is his human right.

He lied that the Almighty God ,Jehovah is "blood thirsty sadistic " & JWs wish "genocide/mass murder" on others.

He has alleged on NL so many times without number, that Jehovah's witnesses is a cult. Yet he has no proof .

See further proof o

Emotional Control


- Instill irrational fears (phobias) of questioning or leaving the group eg saying people who leave the group will die in Armageddon. Disfellowshipping and subsequent shunning of members who leave the group

- Label some emotions as evil, worldly, sinful, or wrong eg doubt, anger and critical thinking as evil, worldly, sinful or wrong.

- Teach emotion-stopping techniques to prevent anger, homesickness eg promise of seeing paradise earth


- Promote feelings of guilt, shame, & unworthiness eg you become a drug addict when you leave watchtower organization/jehovah organization

- Shower you with praise and attention (“love bombing”) eg love bombing before they baptize an individual



- Threaten your friends and family eg saying family or friends will be disfellowshipped if they talk to their disfellowshipped family member


- Shun you if you disobey or disbelieve: this one is your number one tool for emotional blackmail

- Teach that there is no happiness or peace outside the group eg gb saying once you leave the organization you become a drug addict, fornicator, bad person etc

Hairyrapunzel:
- Teach that there is no happiness or peace outside the group eg gb saying once you leave the organization you become a drug addict, fornicator, bad person etc

I was having a discussion with JWs friend on why they didn't participate in National Election. She was like, as a human you can't control human only God can that's why we wait for God's kingdom to come instead of seeking human imperfect kingdom.

I was like, so your GB aren't trustworthy to lead a country or state? She couldn't answer...

Emusan:


I was having a discussion with JWs friend on why they didn't participate in National Election. She was like, as a human you can't control human only God can that's why we wait for God's kingdom to come instead of seeking human imperfect kingdom.

I was like, so your GB aren't trustworthy to lead a country or state? She couldn't answer...

She knew she said the wrong thing. They feel no human can control human but gb controls them they are under their leadership in other words they recognise the 8 old imperfect, uninspired and fallible men as their leaders. Lol


She thinks she can deceive you.

Hairyrapunzel:


She knew she said the wrong thing. They feel no human can control human but gb controls them they are under their leadership in other words they recognise the 8 old imperfect, uninspired and fallible men as their leaders. Lol


She thinks she can deceive you.

They know the right thing, that's why OneJ can tell you the GB are not perfect and my friend also knows that human aren't perfect.

The problem they have is to question the GB so they won't be tag an Apostate.

Seun:

No, he was making a point that if talking to an apostate is against Jehovah’s will, then surely talking to Satan, who was the first apostate, is against Jehovah’s will.

What a failed analogy.

Seun, Jehovah is the law giver. He does give His laws out of love for His human creatures to protect them. The bible is meant with humans in mind, not God.

First, Jehovah's instruction not to speak with an apostate is both beneficial to the apostate and to the one ignoring him. By not listening to an apostate, you escape from his disception, and not be misled. He thus feels the pain and aim to return back to be saved.

Jehovah cannot be misled by Satan. Secondly, they have issues on which the future will settle the rightful sovereign for everyone. His laws is to protect us, not Him.

Thirdly, Satan would never be accepted back to Gods family, but an apostate can. Satan is doomed for destruction, but not necessarily for an apostate.

For eg God do not want us to look at any woman's unclothedness for that can lead to sin, but Jah cannot sin by looking at a woman's unclothedness. God has vengeance, but you as human are not allowed to avenge. One reason is that as a human you may not have all the facts, and may avenge wrongly. It will be wrong to say I will avenge because God does so. Nope.

Jehovah's laws are for our good. Apostates can go so far as twist the word of there creator to gain what they want as the Devil does!

JMAN05:


What a failed analogy.

Seun, Jehovah is the law giver. He does give His laws out of love for His human creatures to protect them. The bible is meant with humans in mind, not God.

First, Jehovah's instruction not to speak with an apostate is both beneficial to the apostate and to the one ignoring him. By not listening to an apostate, you escape from his disception, and not be misled. He thus feels the pain and aim to return back to be saved.

Jehovah cannot be misled by Satan. Secondly, they have issues on which the future will settle the rightful sovereign for everyone. His laws is to protect us, not Him.

Thirdly, Satan would never be accepted back to Gods family, but an apostate can. Satan is doomed for destruction, but not necessarily for an apostate.

For eg God do not want us to look at any woman's unclothedness for that can lead to sin, but Jah cannot sin by looking at a woman's unclothedness. God has vengeance, but you as human are not allowed to avenge. One reason is that as a human you may not have all the facts, and may avenge wrongly. It will be wrong to say I will avenge because God does so. Nope.

Jehovah's laws are for our good. Apostates can go so far as twist the word of there creator to gain what they want as the Devil does!

Your analogy has to be right because everyones analogy contrary to what your gb tells you is wrong.

Jesus talked to the greatest apostate which is Satan, Jesus talked to Pharisees, tax collectors and a prostitute. I don't see why a group's leaders will come out and say that if have contrary views/opinions to what they teach their followers then you are an apostate.

I follow Jesus and if Jesus talked to Satan and unbelievers I can talk to them. I ain't afraid of anybody.

Why are you people afraid of being misled? If you have the truth you should fear no scrutiny. Abi what you have and believe in it's a lie?
What are your Leaders hiding?
Abi they are afraid their gullible followers will see other peoples views which are different from their own?


Your leaders that have been twisting bible and punishing you guys for not believing what's not in the Bible Nko? Are they not worse than apostates?

So the creator of this thread don deactivate? Hmmmmm

Let me renew this my post on this thread here again

I had to post this based on the first Bible verse the now deactivated moniker based the title of this thread upon Proverbs 11:9.....

Proverbs 11:9 states........ By his mouth the apostate(GODLESS MAN, MAN OF LAWLESSNESS , HYPOCRITE, DISHONEST, DISSEMBLER, IMPIOUS) bring his NEIGHBOUR to RUIN,

What a scripture! an excellent one at that, therefore, Who is my neighbour?

Members of Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses is a NEIGHBOUR to Roman Catholic Congregations,

Roman Catholic Congregation is a neighbour to all Pentecostal and Protestant Christian Congregations.

If you know your own CONGREGATION has not use his mouth to bring his neighbour congregation to ruin. Please come out and signify.

But by knowledge the righteous are rescued.

2 Timothy 4:3,4 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers and by extension leaders to have their ears tickled........

Is your own congregation a culprit too in this aspect?

2 Timothy 4:5 You though keep your senses in all things.............

Apostle Paul knew we can seek God's help to do this, so don't allow another person keep the sense for you because as Christians we should grow spiritually and maturely everyday to distinguished right from wrong and not be tossed about like a baby by these religious teachers and leaders.

Finally............. 2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, since we have these promises, beloved ones let us cleanse ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God or perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Revelation 3:22 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.

In their quest to keep TIGHT GRIP on their members you see articles and words like the below of which the deactivated moniker equally based this thread upon.......

5. Why should we guard against the spirit of independence?

5 “The spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience” is so widespread that it is like the air we breathe. (Eph. 2:2) That spirit can cause us to think that we do not need guidance from Jehovah’s organization. Surely we do not want to be like Diotrephes, who would not ‘receive anything from the apostle John with respect.’ (3 John 9, 10) We need to guard against developing a spirit of independence. By word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that Jehovah is using today. (Num. 16:1-3) On the contrary, we should cherish our privilege to cooperate with the slave class. And should we not strive to be obedient and submissive to those taking the lead in our local congregation?​—Read Hebrews 13:7, 17.

One scriptures that states word for word that we need guidance from Jehovah’s organization. They cannot find it

Where in the Bible will you see word for word that..

.... By word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that Jehovah is using today.

Cannot be provided rather the apostles wrote

Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so


They don't want members that are Humble, they want members that are SUBSERVIENT. Members that will obey and follow directions that are not strategic from human stand points or wey no make sense from human standpoint without asking questions or challenging it in words and deeds

Coming from the same mouth.....

Fear has a great hold on the people. People are afraid of what their neighbors, their friends, relatives and clergy might think if they were even so much as to read the Bible on their own. For centuries the clergy have dominated their lives, told them what they can read, what they should believe and do. To ask a sound religious question is a demonstration of lack of faith in God and the church, according to the clergy. As a result, the Irish people do very little independent thinking. They are victims of the clergy and fear; but freedom is in sight.

What freedom is in sight..........

“The spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience” is so widespread that it is like the air we breathe. (Eph. 2:2) That spirit can cause us to think that we do not need guidance from Jehovah’s organization. Surely we do not want to be like Diotrephes, who would not ‘receive anything from the apostle John with respect.’ (3 John 9, 10) We need to guard against developing a spirit of independence. By word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that Jehovah is using today. (Num. 16:1-3) On the contrary, we should cherish our privilege to cooperate with the slave class. And should we not strive to be obedient and submissive to those taking the lead in our local congregation?​—Read Hebrews 13:7, 17.


You think they want to offer freedom . They are leveraging on what the others have been doing centuries prior to make members more dependent and runaway from independence and readily SUBSERVIENT

Apostles of Diotrephes,continue in your rebellious MUMU.

As for JWs,we obey Peter &Paul the apostles,two of our leaders said: "You MUST ACCEPT the AUTHORITY of the Elders ...in Everything." 1Pet5:5-6 & Heb13:7,17.