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Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Hairyrapunzel: 12:01pm On Sep 01, 2018
OneJ:



Seun , the NL moniker," hairyrapunzel " alleged that "according to the watchtower, Jesus was disobeying Jehovah when he talked to Satan".
Kai !!!!!!!!!

I'm not surprised that someone whose series of lies & distortion of facts on NL, puts a big question mark on his integrity, sanity & credibility, would be so dubious to concoct such a lie.
Mr Seun,pls feel free to investigate.
Shalom

Why do you try to justify my own lies with twisted Bible verses and watchtower magazines if they are actually lies?

Did Jesus not converse with Satan in the Bible?
Did jehovah tell us that people who hold contrary opinion to the belief of jehovah witnesses are apostates?
Did jehovah tell you that criticizing governing body non biblical doctrines makes one an apostate?

You have been calling me a serial liar yet you defend believing the lies and giving reason why my lies are true while calling me a serial liar. Everyone has been going through your write up.

You can't cook up an assumption then make it a belief/doctrine then expect people not to talk. People are not robots/zombies. Let this sink into your brain.

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Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by OneJ: 7:41pm On Sep 02, 2018
Seun:

No, he was making a point that if talking to an apostate is against Jehovah’s will, then surely talking to Satan, who was the first apostate, is against Jehovah’s will.


Can you list some more examples of the distortion and lies that you are accusing him of putting on Nairaland?


It's obvious he doesn't agree. with JW beliefs & teachings ,no be by force. There is freedom of choice & it is his human right.

He lied that the Almighty God ,Jehovah is "blood thirsty sadistic " & JWs wish "genocide/mass murder" on others.

He has alleged on NL so many times without number, that Jehovah's witnesses is a cult. Yet he has no proof .
Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Hairyrapunzel: 8:14pm On Sep 02, 2018
OneJ:


It's obvious he doesn't agree. with JW beliefs & teachings ,no be by force. There is freedom of choice & it is his human right.

He has alleged on NL so many times without number, that Jehovah's witnesses is a cult. Yet he has no proof .

SEE PROOF THAT JWS ARE A CULT

Behavior Control

- Promote dependence and obedience eg only gb dispense spiritual food and you must obey them

- Modify behavior with rewards and punishments eg you must do all gb says you should do or get disfelow shipped. If you do what gb says you will not get slaughtered in Armageddon and you must enter paradise earth


- Dictate where and with whom you live eg avoid association with worldly (non jws), only mix with active jws


- Restrict or control sexuality eg put watchtower organization rules about sexual intercourse first.


- Control clothing and hairstyle eg wear only suit an tie, shave your beards (roman culture o) don't carry beards (Jewish culture) wear only skirt to meeting.

- Exploit you financially eg giving your valuables( assets, real estate, money, bonds, stocks, businesses, time, strength etc) to jehovah (invisible person) will make you happy.



- Restrict leisure time and activities always go door to door or sit beside cart. Your time is for jehovah (watchtower organization)


- Require you to seek permission for major decisions eg marriage, higher education, medical procedure (blood transfusion)

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Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Hairyrapunzel: 8:31pm On Sep 02, 2018
OneJ:


It's obvious he doesn't agree. with JW beliefs & teachings ,no be by force. There is freedom of choice & it is his human right.

He lied that the Almighty God ,Jehovah is "blood thirsty sadistic " & JWs wish "genocide/mass murder" on others.

He has alleged on NL so many times without number, that Jehovah's witnesses is a cult. Yet he has no proof .

SEE PROOF AGAIN THAT JW IS A CULT


Information Control


- Deliberately withhold and distort information eg misquoting sources to justify their non biblical doctrines. Distorting secular sources to make non biblical doctrines seem acceptable.


- Forbid you from speaking with ex-members and critics eg ALWAYS SAYING JWS SHOULD BEWARE OF APOSTATES also saying people who criticize the religion and gb non biblical doctrines are apostates.



- Discourage access to non-cult sources of information eg teaching and saying non cult sources are equivalent to viewing pornography (emotional manipulation)


- Divide information into Insider vs. Outsider doctrine eg Christendom ( Christian churches) and jehovah organization.

- Generate and use propaganda extensively eg saying the end of the world is imminent and the only way to survive the impending doom going to befall mankind is by joining watchtower organization and obeying gb teaching.


- Use information gained in confession sessions against you eg disfellowshipping after judicial committee


- Gaslight to make you doubt your own memory
Manipulate and brainwashing via repetitive doctrines in watchtower magazines


- Require you to report thoughts, feelings, & activities to superiors eg reporting time spent on field device and judicial committee to make people confess


- Encourage you to spy and report on others’ “misconduct” eg watchtower organization policy on reporting people who disobey rules to the elders
Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Hairyrapunzel: 8:55pm On Sep 02, 2018
OneJ:


It's obvious he doesn't agree. with JW beliefs & teachings ,no be by force. There is freedom of choice & it is his human right.

He lied that the Almighty God ,Jehovah is "blood thirsty sadistic " & JWs wish "genocide/mass murder" on others.

He has alleged on NL so many times without number, that Jehovah's witnesses is a cult. Yet he has no proof .

Come and see further proof that your religion is a cult
Thought Control

- Instill Black vs. White, Us vs. Them, & Good vs. Evil thinking: very common eg worldly people are wicked, unrighteous and evil as far as they are not in watchtower organization they are bad.


- Change your identity, possibly even your name you may not change your name but your identity changes eg you stop celebrating holidays with your non jw family when you join watchtower organization.

- Use loaded language and cliches to stop complex thought eg telling people once they have doubt about gb bible interpretation that means they have doubt against jehovah. Gb saying independent thinking is bad and its a form of apostasy.

- Induce hypnotic or trance states to indoctrinate eg repetition of dying in Armageddon.


- Teach thought-stopping techniques to prevent critical thoughts eg don't question gb ever changing doctrines because it is always right or gb saying jehovah hates independent thinking therefore they are the only ones allowed to think on for you.


- Allow only positive thoughts eg paradise earth

- Use excessive meditation, singing, prayer, & chanting to block thoughts eg repetition of doctrines/activities


- Reject rational analysis, critical thinking, & doubt eg gb saying only gb teaching is right and every other teaching satanic
Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Hairyrapunzel: 9:18pm On Sep 02, 2018
OneJ:


It's obvious he doesn't agree. with JW beliefs & teachings ,no be by force. There is freedom of choice & it is his human right.

He lied that the Almighty God ,Jehovah is "blood thirsty sadistic " & JWs wish "genocide/mass murder" on others.

He has alleged on NL so many times without number, that Jehovah's witnesses is a cult. Yet he has no proof .

See further proof o

Emotional Control


- Instill irrational fears (phobias) of questioning or leaving the group eg saying people who leave the group will die in Armageddon. Disfellowshipping and subsequent shunning of members who leave the group

- Label some emotions as evil, worldly, sinful, or wrong eg doubt, anger and critical thinking as evil, worldly, sinful or wrong.

- Teach emotion-stopping techniques to prevent anger, homesickness eg promise of seeing paradise earth


- Promote feelings of guilt, shame, & unworthiness eg you become a drug addict when you leave watchtower organization/jehovah organization

- Shower you with praise and attention (“love bombing”) eg love bombing before they baptize an individual



- Threaten your friends and family eg saying family or friends will be disfellowshipped if they talk to their disfellowshipped family member


- Shun you if you disobey or disbelieve: this one is your number one tool for emotional blackmail

- Teach that there is no happiness or peace outside the group eg gb saying once you leave the organization you become a drug addict, fornicator, bad person etc
Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Emusan(m): 11:44am On Sep 04, 2018
Hairyrapunzel:
- Teach that there is no happiness or peace outside the group eg gb saying once you leave the organization you become a drug addict, fornicator, bad person etc


I was having a discussion with JWs friend on why they didn't participate in National Election. She was like, as a human you can't control human only God can that's why we wait for God's kingdom to come instead of seeking human imperfect kingdom.

I was like, so your GB aren't trustworthy to lead a country or state? She couldn't answer...
Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Hairyrapunzel: 12:27pm On Sep 04, 2018
Emusan:


I was having a discussion with JWs friend on why they didn't participate in National Election. She was like, as a human you can't control human only God can that's why we wait for God's kingdom to come instead of seeking human imperfect kingdom.

I was like, so your GB aren't trustworthy to lead a country or state? She couldn't answer...

She knew she said the wrong thing. They feel no human can control human but gb controls them they are under their leadership in other words they recognise the 8 old imperfect, uninspired and fallible men as their leaders. Lol


She thinks she can deceive you.
Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Emusan(m): 12:40pm On Sep 04, 2018
Hairyrapunzel:


She knew she said the wrong thing. They feel no human can control human but gb controls them they are under their leadership in other words they recognise the 8 old imperfect, uninspired and fallible men as their leaders. Lol


She thinks she can deceive you.

They know the right thing, that's why OneJ can tell you the GB are not perfect and my friend also knows that human aren't perfect.

The problem they have is to question the GB so they won't be tag an Apostate.
Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by JMAN05: 10:59pm On Sep 05, 2018
Seun:

No, he was making a point that if talking to an apostate is against Jehovah’s will, then surely talking to Satan, who was the first apostate, is against Jehovah’s will.

What a failed analogy.

Seun, Jehovah is the law giver. He does give His laws out of love for His human creatures to protect them. The bible is meant with humans in mind, not God.

First, Jehovah's instruction not to speak with an apostate is both beneficial to the apostate and to the one ignoring him. By not listening to an apostate, you escape from his disception, and not be misled. He thus feels the pain and aim to return back to be saved.

Jehovah cannot be misled by Satan. Secondly, they have issues on which the future will settle the rightful sovereign for everyone. His laws is to protect us, not Him.

Thirdly, Satan would never be accepted back to Gods family, but an apostate can. Satan is doomed for destruction, but not necessarily for an apostate.

For eg God do not want us to look at any woman's unclothedness for that can lead to sin, but Jah cannot sin by looking at a woman's unclothedness. God has vengeance, but you as human are not allowed to avenge. One reason is that as a human you may not have all the facts, and may avenge wrongly. It will be wrong to say I will avenge because God does so. Nope.

Jehovah's laws are for our good. Apostates can go so far as twist the word of there creator to gain what they want as the Devil does!

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Re: Jws, Beware Of Apostates by Hairyrapunzel: 11:40pm On Sep 05, 2018
JMAN05:


What a failed analogy.

Seun, Jehovah is the law giver. He does give His laws out of love for His human creatures to protect them. The bible is meant with humans in mind, not God.

First, Jehovah's instruction not to speak with an apostate is both beneficial to the apostate and to the one ignoring him. By not listening to an apostate, you escape from his disception, and not be misled. He thus feels the pain and aim to return back to be saved.

Jehovah cannot be misled by Satan. Secondly, they have issues on which the future will settle the rightful sovereign for everyone. His laws is to protect us, not Him.

Thirdly, Satan would never be accepted back to Gods family, but an apostate can. Satan is doomed for destruction, but not necessarily for an apostate.

For eg God do not want us to look at any woman's unclothedness for that can lead to sin, but Jah cannot sin by looking at a woman's unclothedness. God has vengeance, but you as human are not allowed to avenge. One reason is that as a human you may not have all the facts, and may avenge wrongly. It will be wrong to say I will avenge because God does so. Nope.

Jehovah's laws are for our good. Apostates can go so far as twist the word of there creator to gain what they want as the Devil does!

Your analogy has to be right because everyones analogy contrary to what your gb tells you is wrong.

Jesus talked to the greatest apostate which is Satan, Jesus talked to Pharisees, tax collectors and a prostitute. I don't see why a group's leaders will come out and say that if have contrary views/opinions to what they teach their followers then you are an apostate.

I follow Jesus and if Jesus talked to Satan and unbelievers I can talk to them. I ain't afraid of anybody.

Why are you people afraid of being misled? If you have the truth you should fear no scrutiny. Abi what you have and believe in it's a lie?
What are your Leaders hiding?
Abi they are afraid their gullible followers will see other peoples views which are different from their own?


Your leaders that have been twisting bible and punishing you guys for not believing what's not in the Bible Nko? Are they not worse than apostates?

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