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A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by jesusjnr(m): 6:28pm On Jun 12
Jesus said to His disciples:

Acts 1:7-8 (KJV)

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Now Jesus in clear terms told His disciples they would be His witnesses, so how come you who call themselves "Jehovah Witnesses" instead of "Jesus Witnesses" claim to be the disciples of Jesus that Jesus gave this instruction?

You ought to come and explain this contradiction, because it seems there's something you aren't telling us by the name you chose to be called alone, for the name Jehovah Witnesses suggest that you are more Judaists(Moses disciples) than Jesus disciples.

And this reflects In your doctrines for despite that you come In the Jesus disciples clothings, your doctrine gives you away as the otherwise, for instead of emphasizing the following of Jesus and His teachings as the true disciples of Jesus should, you emphasize the following of Jehovah Witnesses and the importance of becoming a member of your group as though that determines who is saved or not saved.

But it's not far-fetched for already going by the name "Jehovah Witnesses" you are not following the instructions of Jesus to His disciples who He said would be His witnesses, and perhaps you feel that Jesus is not worthy to be witnessed.

So you have the opportunity to defend your choice of the name "Jehovah Witnesses" instead of "Jesus Witnesses", if you indeed be true disciples of Jesus.

Thank you.
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 7:27pm On Jun 12
jesusjnr:
Jesus said to His disciples:

Acts 1:7-8 (KJV)

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Now Jesus in clear terms told His disciples they would be His witnesses, so how come you who call themselves "Jehovah Witnesses" instead of "Jesus Witnesses" claim to be the disciples of Jesus that Jesus gave this instruction?

You ought to come and explain this contradiction, because it seems there's something you aren't telling us by the name you chose to be called alone, for the name Jehovah Witnesses suggest that you are more Judaists(Moses disciples) than Jesus disciples.

And this reflects In your doctrines for despite that you come In the Jesus disciples clothings, your doctrine gives you away as the otherwise, for instead of emphasizing the following of Jesus and His teachings as the true disciples of Jesus should, you emphasize the following of Jehovah Witnesses and the importance of becoming a member of their group as though that determines who is saved or not saved.

But it's not far-fetched for already going by the name "Jehovah Witnesses" you are not following the instructions of Jesus to His disciples who He said would be His witnesses, and perhaps you feel that Jesus is not worthy to be witnessed.

So you have the opportunity to defend your choice of the name "Jehovah Witnesses" instead of "Jesus Witnesses", if you indeed be true disciples of Jesus.

Thank you.
You've asked a thought provoking question Sir!
Let me try answering with the level of my understanding as a newly baptised JW.

The group name 'Christians' is as the same as 'Jesus' Witnesses'. Act 1:8

Being a Christian has already fulfilled that part. Act 11:26

Jesus himself foretold a time when Satan will plant weeds {falsehood} amongst the good seeds {Christians}! Matthew 13:25,39

So the virtuous name 'Christians' {Jesus' Witnesses} has been tarnished by all the weeds that grew in the farm {Bible carriers}.

That is why JEHOVAH suddenly changed the name of his own people to another divine name that befits all his worshipers from Abel till date distinguishing us from all false worshipers claiming Christians {Jesus' Witnesses} during this last days! Isaiah 65:15 compared to Isaiah 43:10-12 and Hebrew 11:3-33, 12:1 smiley

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by achorladey: 9:12pm On Jun 12
Op you can take a look at this link below your thread looks similar, if not same.


https://www.nairaland.com/4730431/question-jehovah-witness-why-name#71166664
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by alBHAGDADI: 9:31pm On Jun 12
Maximus69:


That is why JEHOVAH suddenly changed the name of his own people to another divine name that befits all his worshipers from Abel till date distinguishing us from all false worshipers claiming Christians {Jesus' Witnesses} during this last days! Isaiah 65:15 compared to Isaiah 43:10-12 and Hebrew 11:3-33, 12:1 smiley




@bold

Can you show us where in the Bible Jehovah changed the name of his people? Or you just swallowed the lies some 8 men called GB fed you with?

As far as the Bible is concerned, Jehovah doesn't change neither are his ways


Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
For I am the LORD , I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by achorladey: 9:43pm On Jun 12
Maximus69:
You've asked a thought provoking question Sir!
Let me try answering with the level of my understanding as a newly baptised JW.

The group name 'Christians' is as the same as 'Jesus' Witnesses'. Act 1:8

Being a Christian has already fulfilled that part. Act 11:26

Jesus himself foretold a time when Satan will plant weeds {falsehood} amongst the good seeds {Christians}! Matthew 13:25,39

So the virtuous name 'Christians' {Jesus' Witnesses} has been tarnished by all the weeds that grew in the farm {Bible carriers}.

That is why JEHOVAH suddenly changed the name of his own people to another divine name that befits all his worshipers from Abel till date distinguishing us from all false worshipers claiming Christians {Jesus' Witnesses} during this last days! Isaiah 65:15 compared to Isaiah 43:10-12 and Hebrew 11:3-33, 12:1 smiley






Maximus69: THAT is WHY JEHOVAH SUDDENLY CHANGED the NAME of his OWN PEOPLE to ANOTHER DIVINE NAME that befits all his worshipers from Abel till date distinguishing us from all false worshipers claiming Christians {Jesus' Witnesses} during this last days! Isaiah 65:15 compared to Isaiah 43:10-12 and Hebrew 11:3-33, 12:1

Achorladey: Are you sure it's JEHOVAH that SUDDENLY CHANGED the NAME?

JEHOVAH changed the name when he had already handed all AUTHORITY to JESUS CHRIST. Jesus must have CHOSEN his words WRONGLY when stating to his DISCIPLES that they are to be WITNESSES of HIM (JESUS). Acts 1:8.......Hahahahahaha

John 15: 26 27......

When the helper comes that I will send you from the Father, the spirit of the truth, which comes from the Father, that one will BEAR WITNESS ABOUT ME;27and you, in turn, are to BEAR WITNESS, because you have BEEN with ME from the BEGINNING.

Is the promised HELPER equally AWARE that "JESUS WITNESSES" has been TARNISHED and therefore a NEED for CHANGE of NAME? Last time I checked that scripture, it has NOT changed to bear witness about JEHOVAH.

Is there ANY REFERENCE source scripture to show that the name "JESUS WITNESSES" has been tarnished therefore the need for change?

Are you aware GOD'S WORD is BLASPHEMED and SPOKEN of ABUSIVELY everyday yet DOES that make it any less GOD'S WORD

OR

one that requires CHANGE of NAME?
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by alBHAGDADI: 9:54pm On Jun 12
achorladey:




Maximus69: THAT is WHY JEHOVAH SUDDENLY CHANGED the NAME of his OWN PEOPLE to ANOTHER DIVINE NAME that befits all his worshipers from Abel till date distinguishing us from all false worshipers claiming Christians {Jesus' Witnesses} during this last days! Isaiah 65:15 compared to Isaiah 43:10-12 and Hebrew 11:3-33, 12:1

Achorladey: Are you sure it's JEHOVAH that SUDDENLY CHANGED the NAME?

JEHOVAH changed the name when he had already handed all AUTHORITY to JESUS CHRIST. Jesus must have CHOSEN his words WRONGLY when stating to his DISCIPLES that they are to be WITNESSES of HIM (JESUS). Acts 1:8.......Hahahahahaha

John 15: 26 27......

When the helper comes that I will send you from the Father, the spirit of the truth, which comes from the Father, that one will BEAR WITNESS ABOUT ME;27and you, in turn, are to BEAR WITNESS, because you have BEEN with ME from the BEGINNING.

Is the promised HELPER equally AWARE that "JESUS WITNESSES" has been TARNISHED and therefore a NEED for CHANGE of NAME? Last time I checked that scripture, it has NOT changed to bear witness about JEHOVAH.

Is there ANY REFERENCE source scripture wise to show that the name "JESUS WITNESSES" has been tarnished therefore the need for change?

Are you aware GOD'S WORD is BLASPHEMED and SPOKEN of ABUSIVELY everyday yet DOES that make it any less GOD'S WORD

OR

one that requires CHANGE of NAME?





Laughing @God suddenly changed...


grin

Yeye dey smell.


He says they are Jehovah's witnesses but they can't show us where they witnessed Jehovah changing the name of his people.

That makes them Jehovah's False Witnesses grin
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by achorladey: 11:06pm On Jun 12
alBHAGDADI:



Laughing @God suddenly changed...


grin

Yeye dey smell.


He says they are Jehovah's witnesses but they can't show us where they witnessed Jehovah changing the name of his people.

That makes them Jehovah's False Witnesses grin

This your last line is really interesting as it relates to this conversation.

It can be really funny sometimes when a person says he speaks for GOD and then do so badly.

It's all in his ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATION that has no bearing in the SCRIPTURE.

Is there a way you read this and not give way to laughter.......

"JEHOVAH SUDDENLY CHANGED the NAME"

Since when did JEHOVAH starts DOING THINGS SUDDENLY? e get as e be!

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by jesusjnr(m): 2:16am On Jun 13
achorladey:
Op you can take a look at this link below your thread looks similar, if not same.


https://www.nairaland.com/4730431/question-jehovah-witness-why-name#71166664
You are very correct, I just noticed.

It appears that i'm not the only one to have observed that deception of the group here in nairaland, where they come in guise of Jesus disciples despite not being His witnesses.

But it's probably warranted to expose that deceptive strategy of this group, so that they stop posing as something they are not, but come in the appearance of the Jehovah Witnesses that they truly are.

Thanks though for bringing that to my notice.

p.s. I truly think though that there are some areas that the church would do well to emulate the Jehovah Witnesses for not all about them is bad.
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 2:40am On Jun 13
It is good to have someone ask sincere questions and it's also good to find someone providing reliable and satisfying anwers. But what about those who feels there shouldn't be an answer to be given when the one asking is honestly doing so from the heart? undecided

Hmmm!

@ Isaiah 43:10-12 Jehovah said 'You are my Witnesses'
@ Hebrews 11:3-33 Paul made a claim that all faithful servants of God bear witness to Jehovah!
@ Act 1:8 Jesus said his followers shall be his Witnesses everywhere they go!
@ Matthew 13:24-30 Jesus spoke in parables regarding how Satan will contaminate Christianity!
@ Matthew 25:31-33 Jesus spoke in parables how he will SEPARATE his sheep from the goats!

All these i quote for the benefit of all sincere followers but just because critics aren't reading with pure motives, they failed to observe Isaiah 65:15 where Jehovah said.
A name will be left {not conscientiously} by false worshipers as a CURSE unto his chosen!
This means the real divine name for all God's faithful servants will be HIDDEN so that while false worshiper cling unto one, JEHOVAH will call his own servants by the REAL name he gave which will sound like a curse in the hearing of all critics!

When Jesus spoke of his Witnesses {Christians} Satan, demons and their human agents began operating under that name in disguise! 2Corinthians 11:12-15

So during this end time when Satan and his colleagues {both spirits and humans} have stolen the temporary name 'Christians', Jehovah now CHANGED the name of his loyal ones SUDDENLY in 1931 and fake worshipers are unable to bear it.
Why? Because they considered it a CURSE! wink

God bless you all! smiley

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 3:03am On Jun 13
jesusjnr:
You are very correct, I just noticed.

It appears that i'm not the only one to have observed that deception of the group here in nairaland, where they come in guise of Jesus disciples despite not being His witnesses.

But it's probably warranted to expose that deceptive strategy of this group, so that they stop posing as something they are not, but come in the appearance of the Jehovah Witnesses that they truly are.

Thanks though for bringing that to my notice.

p.s. I truly think though that there are some areas that the church would do well to EMULATE THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES FOR NOT ALL ABOUT THEM IS BAD.
You've just said it all Sir!

You only need to have a rethink about the things you're considering BAD about us, because there has been NO TIME in history when God's faithful servants were advised to EMULATE Satan's agents! 1Peter 2:12

So if the spirit dwelling in you could make you utter such words respecting those you thought aren't doing things right, while the spirit dwelling with us is saying 'there is NOTHING good to copy from your side' i think something is wrong somewhere!

JEHOVAH our God is a jealous God {Exodus 34:14} so we can NEVER EVER copy anything from your folks! 2Corinthians 6:14,11:2 compared to Matthew 9:16-17 wink

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by jesusjnr(m): 3:15am On Jun 13
Maximus69:
You've asked a thought provoking question Sir!
Let me try answering with the level of my understanding as a newly baptised JW.

The group name 'Christians' is as the same as 'Jesus' Witnesses'. Act 1:8

Being a Christian has already fulfilled that part. Act 11:26

Jesus himself foretold a time when Satan will plant weeds {falsehood} amongst the good seeds {Christians}! Matthew 13:25,39

So the virtuous name 'Christians' {Jesus' Witnesses} has been tarnished by all the weeds that grew in the farm {Bible carriers}.

That is why JEHOVAH suddenly changed the name of his own people to another divine name that befits all his worshipers from Abel till date distinguishing us from all false worshipers claiming Christians {Jesus' Witnesses} during this last days! Isaiah 65:15 compared to Isaiah 43:10-12 and Hebrew 11:3-33, 12:1 smiley



So if God suddenly changed the name of Jesus disciples to Jehovah Witnesses as you claim, then how come the true Jesus disciples whose name you claim was suddenly changed by God to Jehovah Witnesses, all of a sudden stopped bearing witness unto Jesus but unto Jehovah Witnesses?

For change of name shouldn't mean change of doctrine, except you're saying that God didn't just change the name, but also the doctrine of Jesus disciples from that of Jesus, to something else which is now the doctrine of the Jehovah Witnesses.

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by jesusjnr(m): 3:27am On Jun 13
Maximus69:
You've just said it all Sir!

You only need to have a rethink about the things you're considering BAD about us, because there has been NO TIME in history when God's faithful servants were advised to EMULATE Satan's agents! 1Peter 2:12

So if the spirit dwelling in you could make you utter such words respecting those you thought aren't doing things right, while the spirit dwelling with us is saying 'there is NOTHING good to copy from your side' i think something is wrong somewhere!

JEHOVAH our God is a jealous God {Exodus 34:14} so we can NEVER EVER copy anything from your folks! 2Corinthians 6:14,11:2 compared to Matthew 9:16-17 wink
Yes i agree with you that I have said it all, for all is inclusive of the fact that i've said your doctrine is highly flawed even though not all is bad about you.

The point is that i think even a lesson can even be learnt from the devils who were calling Jesus the Son of God, while humans were yet thinking it was blasphemy for Jesus Himself to say so, so that should make you understand where i'm coming from, except me proffering that good part of those devils as an examples to the humans now make the devils to suddenly become good, then so also are the Jehovah Witnesses. cool
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 3:46am On Jun 13
jesusjnr:
So if God suddenly changed the name of Jesus disciples to Jehovah Witnesses as you claim, then how come the true Jesus disciples who name you was suddenly changed by God to Jehovah Witnesses, all of a sudden stopped bearing witness unto Jesus but unto Jehovah Witnesses?

For change of name shouldn't mean change of doctrine, except you're saying that God didn't just change the name, but also the doctrine of Jesus disciples from that of Jesus, to something else which is now the doctrine of the Jehovah Witnesses.
All you need is to look very CAREFULLY before leaping! Act 17:11

All what you think you know about Jesus, Christ and Christianity is NOT true!
Satan has polluted everything the churches are practicing with indoctrination, that is why they can NEVER bear any FRUIT befitting what is is to be called TRUE FAITH! Matthew 7:15-20
You yourself said 'The Church is DEAD'. Of course God's work can never die, because he is a living God { Hebrew 12:22} and {according to his son} he has kept working until now! John 5:17

Part of his works are the changes you're seeing in the activities and beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses, as the true God is using his only begotten son JESUS {who is now ruling as a king from heaven} to correct all the misconceptions that Satan impacted in the minds of people regarding the group name "Jesus' Witnesses" {Christians}!

So you only need to believe in God's ability to correct his people after Satan have confused them with his agents operating everywhere! When Jesus arrived in the flesh back during the first century, Satan has turned the worship of the Jews into something else.

That is why Jesus could say {after considering Satan's ability to manipulate things} 'if i return, will i still meet this faith the way i laid it down?' Luke 18:8

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 4:15am On Jun 13
jesusjnr:
Yes i agree with you that I have said it all, for all is inclusive of the fact that i've said your doctrine is highly flawed even though not all is bad about you.

The point is that i think even a lesson can even be learnt from the devils who were calling Jesus the Son of God, while humans were yet thinking it was blasphemy for Jesus Himself to say so, so that should make you understand where i'm coming from, except me proffering that good part of those devils as an examples to the humans now make the devils to suddenly become good, then so also are the Jehovah Witnesses. cool
That's thoughtful of you Sir!
So you think the demons shouting 'you're the son of God' while Jesus was preaching and teaching were doing something good? Luke 4:34 embarassed

Well listen to what a TRUE Christian have to say about that Sir.
Jesus refused to tell people directly about his identity {Matthew 16:20}
He said he has come to do EXACTLY has his father instructed {John 8:28}
He said whoever goes contrary to his father's order is of the devil {John 8:44}

Now how is it a good thing to be doing the EXACT opposite of what Jesus{who speaks according to his father's order} says? undecided

For your information, those demons are trying to awaking their agents who detests anyone having special divine approval {Genesis 4:2-8} that these are those they must attack! Matthew 26:63-68,Act 16:16-22

So instead of arguing against the will of God, listen attentively to true Christians, please know today {if you're still doubting} that there is nothing as in NOTHING good in Satan, demons and their human agents, and most importantly whatever Jesus say 'don't do'! Luke 9:21

God bless you!

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by TATIME: 4:52am On Jun 13
Maximus69:
That's thoughtful of you Sir!
So you think the demons shouting 'you're the son of God' while Jesus was preaching and teaching were doing something good? Luke 4:34 embarassed

Well listen to what a TRUE Christian have to say about that Sir.
Jesus refused to tell people directly about his identity {Matthew 16:20}
He said he has come to do EXACTLY has his father instructed {John 8:28}
He said whoever goes contrary to his father's order is of the devil {John 8:44}

Now how is it a good thing to be doing the EXACT opposite of what Jesus{who speaks according to his father's order} says? undecided

For your information, those demons are trying to awaking their agents who detests anyone having special divine approval {Genesis 4:2-8} that these are those they must attack! Matthew 26:63-68,Act 16:16-22

So instead of arguing against the will of God, listen attentively to true Christians, please know today {if you're still doubting} that there is nothing as in NOTHING good in Satan, demons and their human agents, and most importantly whatever Jesus say 'don't do'! Luke 9:21

God bless you!
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Why not devote your time and energy on those we find in the field service?

You've gotten the tongue of the taught ones by brother, you should be helping interested ones who truthfully want and need all these, not critics who only feel like trying to silence JWs or win arguments.
No matter how convincing your points are, a goat will never become a sheep! undecided undecided undecided

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by alBHAGDADI: 6:38am On Jun 13
Maximus69:


So during this end time when Satan and his colleagues {both spirits and humans} have stolen the temporary name 'Christians', Jehovah now CHANGED the name of his loyal ones SUDDENLY in 1931 and fake worshipers are unable to bear it.
Why? Because the considered it a CURSE! wink

God bless you all! smiley



What we are asking is simple

Show us where Jehovah suddenly changed the name of his people.

You can't show us yet you claim to witness for him

grin
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 7:32am On Jun 13
alBHAGDADI:

What we are asking is simple
Show us where Jehovah suddenly changed the name of his people.
You can't show us yet you claim to witness for him

grin
A claim remains just a mere assertion if not backed with proof, but instead of checking the cited scriptures!
You remain heady without nothing!
My response is for jesusjnr who asked the question and it's obvious he has read the cited scripture @ Isaiah 65:15

Even if he is still holding a grudge against Jehovah's Witnesses,i'm sure by now he will be battling with quoted text in order to find ANOTHER meaning to refute my interpretation! wink

Jesus sent us out in search for the LOST sheep of the house of Israel! Matthew 10:6,15:24
The sheep is a domestic animal often scared of moving or eating in the absence of a shepherd, so shepherds do train some of their sheep to act as shepherds in the midst of other sheep. That is why you can never see a sheep fold moving in a disorderly manner. Our job is to fish~out suchlike individuals who are mixed up as in lost inside FALSE religions! Mark 1:17
They are our primary assignment Sir. As for goat~like individuals who feels there shouldn't be orderliness in worship, we're to dust our feet and leave them behind! Matthew 10:14 wink

God bless you! smiley

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by alBHAGDADI: 7:48am On Jun 13
Maximus69:
A claim remains just a mere assertion if not backed with proof, but instead of checking the cited scriptures!
You remain heady without nothing!
My response is for jesusjnr who asked the question and it's obvious he has read the cited scripture @ Isaiah 65:15

Even if he is still holding a grudge against Jehovah's Witnesses,i'm sure by now he will be battling with quoted text in order to find ANOTHER meaning to refute my interpretation! wink

Jesus sent us out in search for the LOST sheep of the house of Israel! Matthew 10:6,15:24
The sheep is a domestic animal often scared of moving or eating in the absence of a shepherd, so shepherds do train some of their sheep to act as shepherds in the midst of other sheep. That is why you can never see a sheep fold moving in a disorderly manner. Our job is to fish~out suchlike individuals who are mixed up as in lost inside FALSE religions! Mark 1:17
They are our primary assignment Sir. As for goat~like individuals who feels there shouldn't be orderliness in worship, we're to dust our feet and leave them behind! Matthew 10:14 wink

God bless you! smiley

Sorry to burst your bubble. The Isaiah 65:15 you cited is quoted out of context. To you, it means God will change the name of his people from Christian to Jehovah's witnesses.

However, looking at the scripture in its context, we see that God was speaking of how Israel whom are called by husband name rebelled against him. He also spoke of how he would raise Jesus from the tribe of Judah. He said Jesus would inherit his mountains (People) whom he would call by another name.

That name was given as Christian in the new testament. Nowhere can we find in the Bible that the name Christian later got "suddenly changed" to Jehovah's witnesses. Read the scriptures in its context below.

Isaiah 65:9-15 King James Version (KJV)
9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
11 But ye are they that forsake the L ORD , that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord G OD , Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord G OD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 7:48am On Jun 13
TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Why not devote your time and energy on those we find in the field service?

You've gotten the tongue of the taught ones by brother, you should be helping interested ones who truthfully want and need all these, not critics who only feel like trying to silence JWs or win arguments.
No matter how convincing your points are, a goat will never become a sheep! undecided undecided undecided
My response is for the one asking, perhaps he could have a rethink to know that it's NOT just some GOOD THINGS that's coming out of Galilee {John 7:41 compared to John 7:52} but that Galilee is the foretold city out of which the LIGHT will shine throughout all the land! Isaiah 9:1-2

Let them speak and do all that they deem fit against the truth. Matthew 5:11-12

JEHOVAH knows the spritually lost sheep that's wandering about in their midst as well as the goats who will NEVER listen to the voice of our shepherd! John 10:26-27

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 7:58am On Jun 13
alBHAGDADI:


Sorry to burst your bubble. The Isaiah 65:15 you cited is quoted out of context. To you, it means Gid will change the name of his people from Christian to Jehovah's witnesses. However, looking at the scripture in its context, we see that God was speaking of how Israel when are called by husband name rebelled against him and he would raise Jesus front the tribe of Judah who would have a people who. he would call by another name. That name was given as Christian in the new testament. Nowhere can we find in the Bible that the name Christian later got "suddenly changed" to Jehovah's witnesses. Read the scriptures in its context below.

Isaiah 65:9-15 King James Version (KJV)
9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
11 But ye are they that forsake the L ORD , that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord G OD , Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord G OD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
It's theories that both you and i presented here Sir!

I gave a meaning and you refuted it by reading everything out to say that's not what the Bible meant.

So let's set the ball rolling and see whose APPLICATION is practically working out what is fine! James 2:18-26

At least jesusjnr have said 'EMULATE some things from Jehovah's Witnesses' {1Peter 2:12} so let's see how your theory WORKS out in your midst perhaps there could be anything worth EMULATING! Matthew 7:15-20 wink

God bless you! smiley

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by jesusjnr(m): 8:05am On Jun 13
Maximus69:
A claim remains just a mere assertion if not backed with proof, but instead of checking the cited scriptures!
You remain heady without nothing!
My response is for jesusjnr who asked the question and it's obvious he has read the cited scripture @ Isaiah 65:15

Even if he is still holding a grudge against Jehovah's Witnesses,i'm sure by now he will be battling with quoted text in order to find ANOTHER meaning to refute my interpretation! wink

Jesus sent us out in search for the LOST sheep of the house of Israel! Matthew 10:6,15:24
The sheep is a domestic animal often scared of moving or eating in the absence of a shepherd, so shepherds do train some of their sheep to act as shepherds in the midst of other sheep. That is why you can never see a sheep fold moving in a disorderly manner. Our job is to fish~out suchlike individuals who are mixed up as in lost inside FALSE religions! Mark 1:17
They are our primary assignment Sir. As for goat~like individuals who feels there shouldn't be orderliness in worship, we're to dust our feet and leave them behind! Matthew 10:14 wink

God bless you! smiley
Battling against flawed the highly flawed doctrines of the JWs Lol! cheesy

It's obvious that you are blinded by your allegiance to such obvious flaws and lies that you can't see them (flaws and lies) in what you presented as proof.

For if you remember clearly, I had said the name Jehovah Witnesses sounded more Judaist and than that of true Jesus disciples, and you've proven me correct that you are actually Judaists by your using prophecies and God's saying to the Jews His people to justify your Jehovah Witness name for this was before the coming of Jesus who came to fulfill the Law and such saying prophecies, as He was the one that God used to effect the change of name from Jehovah Witnesses to Jesus Witnesses, by His saying to His true disciples.

So after Jesus changed the name to "Jesus Witnesses" from "Jehovah Witnesses" and thereby fulfilled that prophecy, when again did God change the name of "Jesus Witnesses" back to "Jehovah Witnesses"?

And you are going to give me an instance after that not going back to such fulfilled prophecies and sayings of God that God spake to His people Israel, for don't have any problem if you come as Jehovah Witnesses(Judaists), but to come as Jesus Witnesses and His disciples and yet be going against His doctrine and instructions for that of the Jehovah Witnesses is highly deceptive and misleading.

So give an instance afterwards otherwise you'd be confirming the flaws and lies in your doctrines that have been exposed.
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by alBHAGDADI: 8:06am On Jun 13
Maximus69:
It's theories that both you and i presented here Sir!

I gave a meaning and you refuted it by reading everything out to say that's not what the Bible meant.

So let's set the ball rolling and see whose APPLICATION is practically working out what is fine! James 2:18-26

At least jesusjnr have said 'EMULATE some things from Jehovah's Witnesses' {1Peter 2:12} so let's see how your theory WORKS out in your midst perhaps there could be anything worth EMULATING! Matthew 7:15-20 wink

God bless you! smiley


This junk doesn't address my post.

Show us where God "suddenly changed" the name of his people from Christian to Jehovah's witnesses.

grin
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by achorladey: 8:07am On Jun 13
jesusjnr:
You are very correct, I just noticed.

It appears that i'm not the only one to have observed that deception of the group here in nairaland, where they come in guise of Jesus disciples despite not being His witnesses.

But it's probably warranted to expose that deceptive strategy of this group, so that they stop posing as something they are not, but come in the appearance of the Jehovah Witnesses that they truly are.

Thanks though for bringing that to my notice.

p.s. I truly think though that there are some areas that the church would do well to emulate the Jehovah Witnesses for not all about them is bad.


jesusjnr: p.s. I truly think though that there are some areas that the church would do well to emulate the Jehovah Witnesses for not all about them is bad.

Achorladey: you are CORRECT that not ALL about the JWS is BAD

and........... as long as the JW know that they are part of the CHURCH under consideration here and that they equally need to LEARN from OTHERS.

The funny aspect about all this is, if any public or private documents were to be filled and there is a need to indicate "RELIGION". The options comes down to CHRISTIAN..........MUSLIM..............OTHERS.

Perhaps the JWS can select OTHERS if they agree that JESUS WITNESSES which equals CHRISTIAN according to one post here is a TARNISHED NAME and no longer has the DIVINE backing.

Then everyone can then AGREE that they are not CHRISTIANS but JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

But coming to a public forum to say the JESUS WITNESSES = CHRISTIAN has been TARNISHED and yet the official documents of the organization still CARRIES "CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of Jehovah's Witnesses". Does not paint a good picture of the message they are trying to pass ACROSS.

One will be forced to ASK, why did they still use CHRISTIANS or call themselves "TRUE CHRISTIANS" since the name has been TARNISHED?

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 8:15am On Jun 13
jesusjnr:
Battling against flawed the highly flawed doctrines of the JWs Lol! cheesy

It's obvious that you are blinded by your allegiance to such obvious flaws and lies that you can't see them (flaws and lies) in what you presented as proof.

For if you remember clearly, I had said the name Jehovah Witnesses sounded more Judaist and than that of true Jesus disciples, and you've proven me correct that you are actually Judaists by your using prophecies and God's saying to the Jews His people to justify your Jehovah Witness name for this was before the coming of Jesus who came to fulfill the Law and such saying prophecies, as He was the one that God used to effect the change of name from Jehovah Witnesses to Jesus Witnesses, by His saying to His true disciples.

So after Jesus changed the name to "Jesus Witnesses" from "Jehovah Witnesses" and thereby fulfilled that prophecy, when again did God change the name of "Jesus Witnesses" back to "Jehovah Witnesses"?

And you are going to give me an instance after that not going back to such fulfilled prophecies and sayings of God that God spake to His people Israel, for don't have any problem if you come as Jehovah Witnesses(Judaists), but to come as Jesus Witnesses and His disciples and yet be going against His doctrine and instructions for that of the Jehovah Witnesses is highly deceptive and misleading.

So give an instance afterwards otherwise you'd be confirming the flaws and lies in your doctrines that have been exposed.

Jesus have already answered you Sir, perhaps you missed it so i'll remind you what the Lord said!

BY THEIR FRUIT! Matthew 7:16

So even if some old church traditions is covering your face, are you also denying what you can BEHOLD? 1Peter 2:12

Come on! You yourself said this without someone pointing a gun at you 'emulate good things from Jehovah's Witnesses'! cheesy

Please Sir try to ERASE that statement or swallow it back, otherwise you've judged yourself today before God and man! wink

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by jesusjnr(m): 8:27am On Jun 13
Maximus69:


Jesus have already answered you Sir, perhaps you missed it so i'll remind you what the Lord said!

BY THEIR FRUIT! Matthew 7:16

So even if some old church traditions is covering your face, are you also denying what you can BEHOLD? 1Peter 2:12

Come on! You yourself said this without someone pointing a gun at you 'emulate good things from Jehovah's Witnesses'! cheesy

Please Sir try to ERASE that statement or swallow it back, otherwise you've judged yourself today before God and man! wink
You should answer my question when God changed the name back to Jehovah Witnesses afterwards Jesus changed it to Jesus Witnesses otherwise you have confirmed such flaws and lies of the Jehovah Witnesses doctrines.

You should learn something from someone who's able to yet say there are yet some good in you, after saying your doctrine is highly flawed for that takes some character, but unfortunately for someone allegiant to such flaws and lies it would be impossible to see that.
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 8:28am On Jun 13
alBHAGDADI:


This junk doesn't address my post.

Show us where God "suddenly changed" the name of his people from Christian to Jehovah's witnesses.

grin
Pharisees stood still against our Master, Lord and King.
Because the scriptures said his name shall be called EMMANUEL, take note NOT Jesus! {Isaiah 8:8} therefore they keep insisting on their own shallow minds to interpret the scriptures WITHOUT WORKS BEFITTING FAITH! Matthew 3:7-10

So what helped faithful and loyal Jews to recognise Jesus as Emmanuel or Christ?
Well it was his zealous WORKS Sir! Matthew 16:16

Please if you don't believe in WORKS, i'm sorry Sir your condition is REALLY critical! Matthew 16:4,12:39 wink

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 8:36am On Jun 13
jesusjnr:
You should answer my question when God changed the name back to Jehovah Witnesses afterwards Jesus changed it to Jesus Witnesses otherwise you have confirmed such flaws and lies of the Jehovah Witnesses doctrines.

You should learn something from someone who's able to yet say there are yet some good in you, after saying your doctrine is highly flawed for that takes some character, but unfortunately for someone allegiant to such flaws and lies it would be impossible to see that.
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for,the evident DEMONSTRATION of realities you're yet seeing! Hebrew 11:1


Make sure you EMULATE Sir!

NOT just what you can see but what you can't see now, which is our teachings that's energising Jehovah's Witnesses globally to PRODUCE what you really wish to EMULATE! 1Peter 2:12 wink

God bless you! smiley

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 9:17am On Jun 13
achorladey:



jesusjnr: p.s. I truly think though that there are some areas that the church would do well to emulate the Jehovah Witnesses for not all about them is bad.

Achorladey: you are CORRECT that not ALL about the JWS is BAD

and........... as long as the JW know that they are part of the CHURCH under consideration here and that they equally need to LEARN from OTHERS.

The funny aspect about all this is, if any public or private documents were to be filled and there is a need to indicate "RELIGION". The options comes down to CHRISTIAN..........MUSLIM..............OTHERS.

Perhaps the JWS can select OTHERS if they agree that JESUS WITNESSES which equals CHRISTIAN according to one post here is a TARNISHED NAME and no longer has the DIVINE backing.

Then everyone can then AGREE that they are not CHRISTIANS but JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

But coming to a public forum to say the JESUS WITNESSES = CHRISTIAN has been TARNISHED and yet the official documents of the organization still CARRIES "CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of Jehovah's Witnesses". Does not paint a good picture of the message they are trying to pass ACROSS.

One will be forced to ASK, why did they still use CHRISTIANS or call themselves "TRUE CHRISTIANS" since the name has been TARNISHED?

Apostate, so you still remain a spiritual fugitive of the none denominational refugees! cheesy

The spiritual war disrupting their high places {Churches} has rendered many of them homeless as in refugees from different devastated cities! They now lack confidence in their so called Pastors, GOs and so on due to betrayal of trust!

Jehovah's Witnesses are dwelling peacefully in our spiritual mountain that's unreachably too high for unbelievers to dwell! Isaiah 2:2

Sorry is you name! wink

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by achorladey: 11:03am On Jun 13
Maximus69:
Apostate, so you still remain a spiritual fugitive of the none denominational refugees! cheesy

The spiritual war disrupting their high places {Churches} has rendered many of them homeless as in refugees from different devastated cities! They now lack confidence in their so called Pastors, GOs and so on due to betrayal of trust!

Jehovah's Witnesses are dwelling peacefully in our spiritual mountain that's unreachably too high for unbelievers to dwell! Isaiah 2:2

Sorry is you name! wink

Apostate detector! No one is holding you back from dwelling or living in PEACE. So far you know that Christ is OUR PEACE.


Ephesians 2: 13 But now IN CHRIST JESUS you who used to be FAR AWAY have been BROUGHT near by the BLOOD of CHRIST.14 For HE(Jesus Christ) is OUR PEACE, the one who made BOTH GROUPS into ONE and who destroyed the MIDDLE WALL of PARTITION, the HOSTILITY,

One can only hope and sigh that you will not EVENTUALLY use the "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES SAGA" and the the NEW DIVINE NAME CONUNDRUM to CREATE and ERECT another MIDDLE WALL of PARTITION to start HOSTILITIES based on ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATIONS.

And as jesusjnr states, it will mean a COMPLETE REVERSAL to the OLD instead of the NEW.
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 11:55am On Jun 13
achorladey:

Apostate detector! No one is holding you back from dwelling or living in PEACE. So far you know that Christ is OUR PEACE.
Ephesians 2: 13 But now IN CHRIST JESUS you who used to be FAR AWAY have been BROUGHT near by the BLOOD of CHRIST.14 For HE(Jesus Christ) is OUR PEACE, the one who made BOTH GROUPS into ONE and who destroyed the MIDDLE WALL of PARTITION, the HOSTILITY,
One can only hope and sigh that you will not EVENTUALLY use the "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES SAGA" and the the NEW DIVINE NAME CONUNDRUM to CREATE and ERECT another MIDDLE WALL of PARTITION to start HOSTILITIES based on ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATIONS.
And as jesusjnr states, it will mean a COMPLETE REVERSAL to the OLD instead of the NEW.
There has NEVER been a time when light and darkness became brothers! 2Corinthians 6:14
So if jesusjnr speaks of unity regarding interfaith, you of all people already knew that it will NEVER work with Jehovah's Witnesses, as long as all adherents aren't ready to obey our GB, unless you just want to deceive them! Hebrew 13:7wink

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Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by achorladey: 1:06pm On Jun 13
Maximus69:
There has NEVER been a time when light and darkness became brothers! 2Corinthians 6:14
So if jesusjnr speaks of unity regarding interfaith, you of all people already knew that it will NEVER work with Jehovah's Witnesses, as long as all adherents aren't ready to obey our GB, unless you just want to deceive them! Hebrew 13:7wink


Simple question, WHO is the LIGHT that removed us all from DARKNESS.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not become partners with those WHO DO NOT BELIEVE, for what partnership is there between RIGHTEOUSNESS and LAWLESSNESS, or what fellowship does LIGHT have with DARKNESS?

BELIEVE WHO? Jesus Christ or GB

WHOSE RIGHTEOUSNESS? Jesus Christ or GB

WHO is the LIGHT? Jesus Christ or GB.

Then Jesus spoke out again, “I am the LIGHT of the WORLD. The one who FOLLOWS ME will NEVER walk in DARKNESS, but will HAVE the LIGHT of LIFE.” 

When you view other Christians as still in the DARKNESS you know why?
Re: A Question For The JWs: Why "Jehovah Witnesses" And Not "Jesus Witnesses"? by Maximus69: 1:21pm On Jun 13
achorladey:



Simple question, WHO is the LIGHT that removed us all from DARKNESS.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not become partners with those WHO DO NOT BELIEVE, for what partnership is there between RIGHTEOUSNESS and LAWLESSNESS, or what fellowship does LIGHT have with DARKNESS?
BELIEVE WHO? Jesus Christ or GB
WHOSE RIGHTEOUSNESS? Jesus Christ or GB
WHO is the LIGHT? Jesus Christ or GB.
Then Jesus spoke out again, “I am the LIGHT of the WORLD. The one who FOLLOWS ME will NEVER walk in DARKNESS, but will HAVE the LIGHT of LIFE.” 
When you view other Christians as still in the DARKNESS you know why?
Ask jesusjnr who said 'there are GOOD things to EMULATE from Jehovah's Witnesses'! wink
I'm sure he couldn't have seen anything if the JWs are in the same condition with all others whom he is advising to emulate good things that all of them can SEE amongst Jehovah's Witnesses!

You are the light of the world, a city built on the hill can not be hidden! Matthew 5:14-16

Meanwhile jesusjnr already said 'The Church is DEAD' an indication that there is NOTHING worth EMULATING in the Churches, so if he now says the DEAD should emulate a GROUP globally known, please what else do want Jesus to tell you?

Why not direct him to any other GROUP that's dwelling in the light if you're so sure that they're truly for Jesus{the light}? wink

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