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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by Nobody: 1:39pm On Sep 09, 2018
it doesn't make sense for God to send His only begotten son to die for human sins,it potrays God as a weak, powerless,heartless person,not forgetting a murder,Its a pity xtians believe this story

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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by kennykane1(m): 1:41pm On Sep 09, 2018
That fake bloke called Jesus did no sh**t Redeem what and who? So why is he so damn silent over the killing and suffering of his followers? He should come again if he really is living then and only then will I be convinced of this crap called religion.

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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by ollah2: 1:43pm On Sep 09, 2018
AlphaStyles:
Oooh so the Egyptian gods were real but jesus was fake? stop smoking expired weed

Well the expired weed turned out great to ascertain the fakeness of jesus and how Rome plagiarized ancient Egypt to design the fictional character called jesus

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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by musicwriter(m): 2:12pm On Sep 09, 2018
AlphaStyles:
kia you mumu die wasnt it the jews that brought jesus to the romans to procecute? chai ignorance and stubborness is a disease

This is why you should read the history of christianity if you indeed care for the truth about your Jesus. Rome was an occupying force killing the locals. The Jews were not killing themselves. But, of course, history is written by the victors not the vanquished, which is why you believe the Jews killed their own person.

Be informed that what your bible is telling you is different from history.

Books:

Who wrote the new testament? The making of the Christian myth............ by Burten L. Mack

The historical origins of Christianity............ by Walter Williams

The sixteen crucified saviors............ Kersey Graves

Jesus never existed............ Kenneth Humphreys

101 Myths of the Bible: How Ancient Scribes Invented Biblical History............ Gary Greenberg

The Evolution of Christianity............ L. Gordon Rylands.

Caesar's Messiah............

Forged............ Bart D. Ehrman

How Jesus became God............ Bart E. Ehrman

The council of Nicea............ T W. Dwayne

The Greatest Deception Ever sold................ Rabbi Edward L. Nydle & Levi bar Ido
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by studentofTruth: 2:16pm On Sep 09, 2018
@Op, Great one but it has many loopholes which has been driving many people to atheism. Saying that "prayer" and being born again DOES NOT make one INCAPABLE of sin. A born again believer still has the capability to sin and CAN sin. In fact from the moment one becomes a genuine believer, the journey begins and it's full of temptations/stumbles, falls and getting up (recommitment) & continuation of journey. To think that once you're born again you can't find yourself in sin again is absurd. it's lead many astray. Temptations will surely come; with God's grace you will overcome many, some you will fall. But you get up renew your commitment to God and continue your journey. The more you grow spiritually, the Greater is the type of Temptation for you.


JESUS WORK OF SALVATION

Jesus came to the world to OPEN THE GATE OF HEAVEN FOR MAN (TO BREAK THE BARRIER BETWEEN GOD AND MAN. Mt27:51). Without the coming of Christ, man was incapable of getting to heaven. He came to give humanity that capability to get to heaven. HE DID NOT DESTROY MAN'S CAPACITY TO DO EVIL which is inherent in man's freewill. He gave man the capacity to see God face to face in heaven but without destroying man's capacity to sin. So man must make his own effort to utilize the Grace of Christ's work. That is, man must "strive to pass through the narrow gate" Lk13:24. Man must make every effort to grab this Opportunity Christ has provided...Mt11:12. St Paul says " work out your salvation with fear and trembling" Phil 2:12.

Jesus came to break the barrier between God and man....opening the gate of heaven,. "it is finished" means the opening of the gate of heaven has been "completed". It does not mean that evil will cease to exist in the world or that man has lost his capacity to commit evil/sin even after baptism/being born again. A lot of pastors misunderstand this a lot. As long as man has freewill, he has the capacity to sin no matter his level of spirituality(growth in the lord as some will say).
Now Christ having won the Grace of heaven for man, each and every individual has to UTILIZE that Grace by his effort. Thus with every "THOUGHT", "WORD", "ACTION", and "INACTION" of man, he is either utilizing that Grace and "striving to pass through that Gate" Lk13:12, which Christ has opened OR he's rejecting that Grace and not passing through that Gate.
We exercise our freewill in all that we do every moment. That's why God having given us FREEWILL, will not save us without us.

Peace.
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by Nobody: 2:31pm On Sep 09, 2018
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I understand exactly where you are coming from and you've just answered my question even if indirectly. I hate lies to the extreme and the very thing am going through right now is because someone had lied to me and the worst part is that that someone is also deep rooted into religion. I want to ask you, why do people lie so much? Why can't pple just open their mouths and say the truth? Why is the truth so hard for pple to say? The world is in so much mess today because of lies... That said, how do people like me recognize the truth when I see one?

I believe in God and I know there is a way to be really close to the truth about him. In your opinion, what is this way?

I won't allow myself to be lied to any longer so I wont follow anyone's teachings just incase you are about to advice me to do that
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by AmiableOne: 2:34pm On Sep 09, 2018
studentofTruth:
@Op, Great one but it has many loopholes which has been driving many people to atheism. Saying that "prayer" and being born again DOES NOT make one INCAPABLE of sin. A born again believer still has the capability to sin and CAN sin. In fact from the moment one becomes a genuine believer, the journey begins and it's full of temptations/stumbles, falls and getting up (recommitment) & continuation of journey. To think that once you're born again you can't find yourself in sin again is absurd. it's lead many astray. Temptations will surely come; with God's grace you will overcome many, some you will fall. But you get up renew your commitment to God and continue your journey. The more you grow spiritually, the Greater is the type of Temptation for you.


JESUS WORK OF SALVATION

Jesus came to the world to OPEN THE GATE OF HEAVEN FOR MAN (TO BREAK THE BARRIER BETWEEN GOD AND MAN. Mt27:51). Without the coming of Christ, man was incapable of getting to heaven. He came to give humanity that capability to get to heaven. HE DID NOT DESTROY MAN'S CAPACITY TO DO EVIL which is inherent in man's freewill. He gave man the capacity to see God face to face in heaven but without destroying man's capacity to sin. So man must make his own effort to utilize the Grace of Christ's work. That is, man must "strive to pass through the narrow gate" Lk13:24. Man must make every effort to grab this Opportunity Christ has provided...Mt11:12. St Paul says " work out your salvation with fear and trembling" Phil 2:12.

Jesus came to break the barrier between God and man....opening the gate of heaven,. "it is finished" means the opening of the gate of heaven has been "completed". It does not mean that evil will cease to exist in the world or that man has lost his capacity to commit evil/sin even after baptism/being born again. A lot of pastors misunderstand this a lot. As long as man has freewill, he has the capacity to sin no matter his level of spirituality(growth in the lord as some will say).
Now Christ having won the Grace of heaven for man, each and every individual has to UTILIZE that Grace by his effort. Thus with every "THOUGHT", "WORD", "ACTION", and "INACTION" of man, he is either utilizing that Grace and "striving to pass through that Gate" Lk13:12, which Christ has opened OR he's rejecting that Grace and not passing through that Gate.
We exercise our freewill in all that we do every moment. That's why God having given us FREEWILL, will not save us without us.

Peace.

Hi!

The post doesn't say believers can't sin. That would be an erroneous position because the Bible affirms that believers can still sin.

Salvation doesn't rob us of the ability to make a decision to sin. No, what salvation does is that it gives us freedom to serve God without guilt or that inclination to sin.

Luke 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
Luke 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

The apostles also knew believers can sin, hence, John, the beloved, wrote

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

So, believers are free in Christ to live a life of righteousness. The life we receive at new birth is the reason why we can live righteously on this earth.

However, believers can still sin if they choose to. The choice to do anything is forever with all humans: saved and unsaved. The emphasis here is that believers don't have the unbridled desire and tendency to sin anymore.

We have been saved from sin as it's no longer our master. It doesn't have dominion over us. It no longer controls us.

Any believer that commits a sin does so strictly because he chooses to and not because he couldn't say no. Got it now?

This is all I can reply from your detailed reply so I don't leave the context of the topic. Let me know if this is clear enough.

Blessed.
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by studentofTruth: 3:20pm On Sep 09, 2018
Grace001:
Religion is a tool to control mind and to create seperation.

God's choice of the manner of the work of salvation was to teach humans (in a practical way) great lessons on how to live with Him. That is, a practical demonstration of His teachings.
the lessons are:
1.LOVE, Mt22:37, Jn15:13, etc. To live with God in heaven, one must love God more than any other thing including his own life. Man must desire God so much so that he is willing to give all he has including his earthly life if situation warrants it....ref my 19:22-24, Lk18:22-24.

2. HUMILITY. Phil.2:8, Mtt20:26, Mk 10:43 etc. He that wants to be great must be willing to serve. Without humility, man will never enter kingdom of God. Mt5:3, Lk6:20.

Jesus humbled Himself to become human, poor family, poor life, ridiculed and killed by humans in a disgraceful way on the cross to show us in a practical way what it means to love and to be humble, qualities(virtues) without which we cannot live in His Kingdom.
He chose this particular course of action for the benefit of man.

peace
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by Grace001: 3:38pm On Sep 09, 2018
studentofTruth:


God's choice of the manner of the work of salvation was to teach humans (in a practical way) great lessons on how to live with Him. That is, a practical demonstration of His teachings.
the lessons are:
1.LOVE, Mt22:37, Jn15:13, etc. To live with God in heaven, one must love God more than any other thing including his own life. Man must desire God so much so that he is willing to give all he has including his earthly life if situation warrants it....ref my 19:22-24, Lk18:22-24.

2. HUMILITY. Phil.2:8, Mtt20:26, Mk 10:43 etc. He that wants to be great must be willing to serve. Without humility, man will never enter kingdom of God. Mt5:3, Lk6:20.

Jesus humbled Himself to become human, poor family, poor life, ridiculed and killed by humans in a disgraceful way on the cross to show us in a practical way what it means to love and to be humble, qualities(virtues) without which we cannot live in His Kingdom.
He chose this particular course of action for the benefit of man.

peace

Mr... all what you have said is according to the Bible, Quran has it own version too. We don’t know which one to believe. Both Christian and Islam have the their own version of who can go to heaven according to their teachings. Confusion everywhere
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by eminex(m): 3:52pm On Sep 09, 2018
musicwriter:
There's no historical record that a man named JESUS ever lived here on earth. This story is work of literature written by Rome to control slaves and wider population in the Roman emire by putting fear of God in citizens. Its time you all stop worshiping satan who've deceived you to call him Jesus.

How I discovered Jesus is fake https://www.nairaland.com/4494140/how-discovered-jesus-christ-fake

There is...
1. Flavius Josephus (A Jewish historian)
2. The Bible
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by eminex(m): 3:56pm On Sep 09, 2018
mmsen:
There's no evidence that he did.

Actually he did.
1. Tacitus, born about 55 C.E. and considered one of the world’s greatest historians wrote about him
2. Josephus also wrote about him
3. Many Bible writers wrote about him
If you believe that David and Solomon who you never met existed then why not Jesus.
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by eminex(m): 3:58pm On Sep 09, 2018
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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by studentofTruth: 4:10pm On Sep 09, 2018
AmiableOne:


Hi!

The post doesn't say believers can't sin. That would be an erroneous position because the Bible affirms that believers can still sin.

Salvation doesn't rob us of the ability to make a decision to sin. No, what salvation does is that it gives us freedom to serve God without guilt or that inclination to sin.

Luke 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
Luke 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

The apostles also knew believers can sin, hence, John, the beloved, wrote

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

So, believers are free in Christ to live a life of righteousness. The life we receive at new birth is the reason why we can live righteously on this earth.

However, believers can still sin if they choose to. The choice to do anything is forever with all humans: saved and unsaved. The emphasis here is that believers don't have the unbridled desire and tendency to sin anymore.

We have been saved from sin as it's no longer our master. It doesn't have dominion over us. It no longer controls us.

Any believer that commits a sin does so strictly because he chooses to and not because he couldn't say no. Got it now?

This is all I can reply from your detailed reply so I don't leave the context of the topic. Let me know if this is clear enough.

Blessed.


OK. Your made it clearer now. But the key point is that man now has the freedom to CHOSE to serve God fearlessly, BUT that CHOICE is not a ONE OFF event made only at the moment of saying that prayer (being born again) after which everything becomes effortlessly automatic. NO WAY.

AT EVERY POINT IN TIME, IN EVERYTHING WE DO (thoughts, words, actions and inactions), WE'RE CONTINUALLY MAKING THAT CHOICE TO SERVE GOD.
Yes we have the freedom to make the choice, we're continually making the choice in everything we do and to ALWAYS CHOOSE THE RIGHT ONE, requires our Effort until it becomes a sort of conditioned reflex. Believers need to know this to avoid being surprised by their own actions.


peace.
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by musicwriter(m): 4:15pm On Sep 09, 2018
eminex:


There is...
1. Flavius Josephus (A Jewish historian)
2. The Bible

Please kindly see the link I provided earlier. According to the catholic church, below is the only thing Josephus said:

''Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works- a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the gentiles. He was Christ and when Pilate at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.'' .............. Flavius Josephus.

''Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others.''............ Flavius Josephus.

Historians has long showed that the above comment is a fraud. Example; there was no letter ''J'' in the Hebrew alphabet until the 18th century. How could Josephus be writing of a Jesus with letter ''J'' before ''J'' became an alphabet?. Is that another miracle? Answer: Josephus never said so. The above text was added as history in the 4th century AD by the Roman catholic church as they were under pressure to prove there was a historical Jesus. But they failed!.

Josephus disproved as a forgery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

Secondly, Josephus was a sell-out. He sided with Rome to enslave his people and in the process was used to write history to please Rome. He was such a puppet that the Peso Flavian dynasty (the ruling family in Rome in Josephus time) had him adopt as his surname ''Flavius'' which is a Greco-Roman name.

Origin of Christianity- The Flavian Dynasty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nYUJTRos5o

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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by studentofTruth: 4:24pm On Sep 09, 2018
tetralogyfallot:
The entire concept is a pretty arbitrary one. Why did God have to go through the rigmarole of blood sacrifice to forgive sins?

Because that's His choice. He can do what He chooses to do.
God's choice of the manner of the work of salvation was to teach humans (in a practical way) great lessons on how to live with Him. That is, a practical demonstration of His teachings.
the lessons are:
1.LOVE, Mt22:37, Jn15:13, etc. To live with God in heaven, one must love God more than any other thing including his own life. Man must desire God so much so that he is willing to give all he has including his earthly life if situation warrants it....ref my 19:22-24, Lk18:22-24.
2. HUMILITY. Phil.2:8, Mtt20:26, Mk 10:43 etc. He that wants to be great must be willing to serve. Without humility, man will never enter kingdom of God. Mt5:3, Lk6:20.
Jesus humbled Himself to become human, poor family, poor life, ridiculed and killed by humans in a disgraceful way on the cross to show us in a practical way what it means to love and to be humble, qualities(virtues) without which we cannot live in His Kingdom.
He chose this particular course of action for the benefit of man.

peace
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by studentofTruth: 4:33pm On Sep 09, 2018
musicwriter:


Please kindly see the link I provided earlier. According to the catholic church, below is the only thing Josephus said ''Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works- a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the gentiles. He was Christ and when Pilate at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.'' .............. Flavius Josephus.

''Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others.''............ Flavius Josephus.

Historians has long showed that the above comment is a fraud. Example; there was no letter ''J'' in the Hebrew alphabet until the 18th century. How could Josephus be writing of a Jesus with letter ''J''. Answer: The above text was added in the 4th century AD by the Roman catholic church.

Josephus disproved as a forgery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

Secondly, Josephus was a sell-out. He sided with Rome to enslave his people and in the process was used to write history to please Rome. He was such a puppet that the Peso Flavian dynasty (the ruling family in Rome in Josephus time) had him adopt as his surname ''Flavius'' which is a Greco-Roman name.

Origin of Christianity- The Flavian Dynasty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nYUJTRos5o

You quoted an English translation and you're talking of Hebrew alphabet?

secondly, your qoute never stated that Josephius original manuscript was in Hebrew. He could have written in Greek or Latin. You even said that he was so roman that he adopted a Latin name, so what made you think his original manuscript couldn't have been in Latin?
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by Firebomber: 4:36pm On Sep 09, 2018
ollah2:
It's unfortunate that many people believe this nonsense and they keep selling it to people in 2018.

Jesus and his stories are pure myths stolen from ancient Egypt

Horus was a God born of virgin. They replaced Horus with Jesus
Anup baptised Horus. They replaced Anup with John

If you need to learn more then research and unlearn this nonsense while relearning the truth

Coming from a Muslim, lolz

later they will be crying that Christian are invading there tread. Smh
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by studentofTruth: 4:43pm On Sep 09, 2018
Sodiquinone:
it doesn't make sense for God to send His only begotten son to die for human sins,it potrays God as a weak, powerless,heartless person,not forgetting a murder,Its a pity xtians believe this story

It makes perfect sense. God does what He wants because He can do whatever He wants.
God's choice of the manner of the work of salvation was to teach humans (in a practical way) great lessons on how to live with Him. That is, a practical demonstration of His teachings.
the lessons are:
1.LOVE, Mt22:37, Jn15:13, etc. To live with God in heaven, one must love God more than any other thing including his own life. Man must desire God so much so that he is willing to give all he has including his earthly life if situation warrants it....ref my 19:22-24, Lk18:22-24.
2. HUMILITY. Phil.2:8, Mtt20:26, Mk 10:43 etc. He that wants to be great must be willing to serve. Without humility, man will never enter kingdom of God. Mt5:3, Lk6:20.
Jesus humbled Himself to become human, poor family, poor life, ridiculed and killed by humans in a disgraceful way on the cross to show us in a practical way what it means to love and to be humble, qualities(virtues) without which we cannot live in His Kingdom.
He chose this particular course of action for the benefit of man.
peace

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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by Firebomber: 4:44pm On Sep 09, 2018
omoalayo:

No bro... SIN is like a master not the act of committing a crime against God's word... it was from SIN.. that the word commit sin came out .. the original meaning is.. SIN a master of sinners...

You dont need to reply the braindead Muslim, you should have report him ni.

Later he will come here and be shouting that Christian are invading there useless Islamic tread.

Lolz, dont you see that he fail to mentioned the process the people of The Old use to go about seeking forgiveness from God, because that will not allow him to achieve his aim again.

You should have ask him to tell you the reason why God instruct the People of the Old to kill Sheep, Bird and use it for the atonement of there sin even when he have the power to forgive sin and when there is rule and punishment.

Muslim are useless set of people have ever see.

You will soon see them telling me that Muslim dont invade Christian thread like they use to do.

Peace brother.
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by Firebomber: 4:48pm On Sep 09, 2018
Edifyer:
Matthew 15:24 Jesus said: I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel."

Therefore, stop wasting your time. Jesus was Man approved by God among the children of Israel. Act 2:22. Accept Islam the religion of Jesus and all other prophet b4 him, Noah, Abraham, Moses etc. Mark 12:29.

You people just like looking for trouble where there is non, and you will later started shouting victim when Christian start paying you back now.

Lolz, hopeless people, instead of wasting your time with Jesus matter why dont you use the time to show us where your muhammed family idol(Allah) claim to be or where he said in his quran that his is the" God of Abraham, God of Jacob And God of Isaac."
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by musicwriter(m): 4:55pm On Sep 09, 2018
studentofTruth:


You quoted an English translation and you're talking of Hebrew alphabet?

secondly, your qoute never stated that Josephius original manuscript was in Hebrew. He could have written in Greek or Latin. You even said that he was so roman that he adopted a Latin name, so what made you think his original manuscript couldn't have been in Latin?

That's the more reason it's a forgery. Because Josephius couldn't have written in Latin or Greek. He wrote in Hebrew and there was no "J" to pronounce Jesus.

The name Jesus came from pagan gods Hesus + Zeus, which is a Greco-Roman name. J was added over time by Europeans to amalgamate the two pagan gods. Yet, they claim Josephus wrote Jesus in his works over one thousand years before the name Jesus was invented.

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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by Firebomber: 4:56pm On Sep 09, 2018
Sodiquinone:
it doesn't make sense for God to send His only begotten son to die for human sins,it potrays God as a weak, powerless,heartless person,not forgetting a murder,Its a pity xtians believe this story

But it does make sense for a God to create human Being and give human Being will, and want to doom human Being into hell for exercising the will he gave them?

You Mumuslim are so dumb to reason with, just get the Bleep out of this tread.

Where is that dumb woman that claim that Christian always invade Muslim tread self.

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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by eminex(m): 4:58pm On Sep 09, 2018
musicwriter:


Please kindly see the link I provided earlier. According to the catholic church, below is the only thing Josephus said:

''Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works- a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the gentiles. He was Christ and when Pilate at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.'' .............. Flavius Josephus.

''Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others.''............ Flavius Josephus.

Historians has long showed that the above comment is a fraud. Example; there was no letter ''J'' in the Hebrew alphabet until the 18th century. How could Josephus be writing of a Jesus with letter ''J'' before ''J'' became an alphabet?. Is that another miracle? Answer: Josephus never said so. The above text was added as history in the 4th century AD by the Roman catholic church as they were under pressure to prove there was a historical Jesus. But they failed!.

Josephus disproved as a forgery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

Secondly, Josephus was a sell-out. He sided with Rome to enslave his people and in the process was used to write history to please Rome. He was such a puppet that the Peso Flavian dynasty (the ruling family in Rome in Josephus time) had him adopt as his surname ''Flavius'' which is a Greco-Roman name.

Origin of Christianity- The Flavian Dynasty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nYUJTRos5o

I don't quite get why you said there is no letter J when he wrote about Jesus like as if Other Hebrews who lived before Jesus had no such rendering of their names with letter J. Please do a proper analytical research not based on what critics are saying. Note that Jesus is the English rendering of the Hebrew name Yeshua. So if Josephus has written the name in Hebrew as Yeshua and translators renders it into modern language as Jesus, how then is that an issue. Except of course you can provide the original manuscript where he wrote it as Jesus.
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by ollah2: 4:58pm On Sep 09, 2018
Firebomber:


Coming from a Muslim, lolz

later they will be crying that Christian are invading there tread. Smh

So you are automatically a Muslim if you aren't a christian ? Lol

Don't Christians always invade Muslim threads?
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by musicwriter(m): 5:04pm On Sep 09, 2018
eminex:


I don't quite get why you said there is no letter J when he wrote about Jesus like as if Other Hebrews who lived before Jesus had no such rendering of their names with letter J. Please do a proper analytical research not based on what critics are saying. Note that Jesus is the English rendering of the Hebrew name Yeshua.

But the catholic wrote JESUS according to Josephus. I didn't say so, this's the view of historians.
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by neonly: 5:10pm On Sep 09, 2018
Souless0:

I understand exactly where you are coming from and you've just answered my question even if indirectly. I hate lies to the extreme and the very thing am going through right now is because someone had lied to me and the worst part is that that someone is also deep rooted into religion. I want to ask you, why do people lie so much? Why can't pple just open their mouths and say the truth? Why is the truth so hard for pple to say? The world is in so much mess today because of lies... That said, how do people like me recognize the truth when I see one?

I believe in God and I know there is a way to be really close to the truth about him. In your opinion, what is this way?

I won't allow myself to be lied to any longer so I wont follow anyone's teachings just incase you are about to advice me to do that


It not about teaching my wish nd prayer for us is dat we should have an encounter with d Holy spirit he d master teacher
Pray make d spirit teaching u then all those nd preaching u been hearing will have another meaning
Bible guide but d spirit leads
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by eminex(m): 5:18pm On Sep 09, 2018
musicwriter:


But the catholic wrote JESUS according to Josephus. I didn't say so, this's the view of historians.


That is because they were rendering the actual Hebrew name Yeshua to English name of his "Jesus" and now you presented the views of some critics who didn't do proper job at their criticism as a truth.
A careful thought and analysis is all that is required when you read something. A noble minded person carefully considers anything he reads and do extensive research upon it considering all factors involved.
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by Firebomber: 5:23pm On Sep 09, 2018
ollah2:


So you are automatically a Muslim if you aren't a christian ? Lol

Don't Christians always invade Muslim threads?

So you are automatically a Christian when you are not a Muslim?

Because that's what you accuse Christian of in last Friday tread.

Lolz, hopeless mumuslim, I guess you dont know that have been following your chat since. Mtcheew
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by musicwriter(m): 5:27pm On Sep 09, 2018
eminex:



That is because they were rendering the actual Hebrew name Yeshua to English name of his "Jesus" and now you presented the views of some critics who didn't do proper job at their criticism as a truth.
A careful thought and analysis is all that is required when you read something. A noble minded person carefully considers anything he reads and do extensive research upon it considering all factors involved.

In the so called original, the catholic wrote JESUS not Yashua. They claimed JESUS was written by Josephus not Yashua. Remember, this is just one of the many ways historians know Josephus quote is a fraud.

They backdated Josephus quote, but made a terrible mistake writing Jesus instead of Yashua!!

How else do you want it explained?
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by ollah2: 5:27pm On Sep 09, 2018
Firebomber:


So you are automatically a Christian when you are not a Muslim?

Because that's what you accuse Christian of in last Friday tread.

Lolz, hopeless mumuslim, I guess you dont know that have been following your chat since. Mtcheew

Atheist, Deist et al disses every religion and they surely diss a particular one more than the other. Most times it depends on the topic of discourse.

I mentioned what Christians often do on Muslim threads and it has become a norm for them.
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by Firebomber: 5:34pm On Sep 09, 2018
ollah2:


Atheist, Deist et al disses every religion and they surely diss a particular one more than the other. Most times it depends on the topic of discourse.

I mentioned what Christians often do on Muslim threads and it has become a norm for them.

Lolz, what is this one saying,

I guess it so hard to hide your identity on nairaland this time around. Lolz

well the funny aspect is you never attack any Muslim tread before, you even go about attacking any atheist that attack the tread, so continue smoking your weed.

And what make you think that Christian are the one doing it? Or should i go about your assumption that anyone that's not a Muslim is a Christian?

Lolz
Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by MetalJigsaw(m): 5:44pm On Sep 09, 2018
93Miles:
Believe this Jesus story at your own peril
The devil has comfortably, successfully and gainfully eaten deep into your life. Brother, you need thorough cleansing in the name if Jesus.

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