God begging in your heart 1, praise him 2, ask for forgiveness 3, then you ask for anything without debuted by your faith ?

So every one is now saying any position goes, but when in church someone is sitting while others are standing up praying, they look at you as if you are possessed with the spirit of the Antichrist. I am done with hypocrites. This thread annoys me

Firstly sky guy does not care how you worship him if you like twerk all na same

Secondly if you divert all the hours you spent talking to your sky guy on your personal life by now you go dey compete with Dangote

Iranu

DedeNkem:
Why "pray" to an imaginary god? Could any religious person here prove their god exists!

I am open-minded and willing to change if you can undeniably demostrate or prove that your god exists.

Please, don't quote your bible to me. The bible is not a reliable historic book.

You don't need to change, nobody cares if you change, and you won't add anything to the world if you change. You can as well continue with your belief. Nobody cares.

CuteMadridista:
Whether you kneel or jump while praying is inconsequential as it wouldn't stop prayers from being useless, ineffective and a total waste of time

there are actual scientific studies on prayer (eg Templeton Foundation research). Not one has ever shown any connection between prayer and real world outcomes. The only connection is that people who pray BELIEVE that their prayers are answered mostly because humans are designed to ignore all the facts that don't fit their beliefs. But the FACT is, we have studied prayer and it appears to have zero effect on anything

You would have the same success praying to a milk
jug as you do praying to yahweh -- the milk jug sometimes answers your prayer the way you want to, sometimes not and sometimes the answer is delayed. See the problem here? If things turn out the way you want them to, you say it was because you prayed. If not, it's because yahweh knows what's best and you didn't pray for the right thing. Or, if it happens 10 years later you say yahweh answered your prayer, it was just delayed. This is nonsense. You would have the exact same effect doing nothing.

Prayers are proven to be useless whether done while kneeling, running, skipping or sheeting. Prayer is a waste of time and time spent to pray should've been better spent looking for practical solutions


Nigerians keep praying for long life and now has life expectancy of 54.5 years (the 7th lowest in the world) while a prayerless Japan comprising of atheist majority has a life expectancy of 83.7 years (highest in the world)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Nigeria is filled with a population that prays against poverty but she's just been branded "Poverty Capital of the World" http://punchng.com/with-87m-poor-citizens-nigeria-overtakes-india-as-worlds-poverty-capital/



once again, Prayers are useless

You can as well join your brothers in China, nobody cares, lol

CuteMadridista:


Didn't you know the earth is flat?

that's why Satan was able to show Jesus the world at once. that's why Joshua ordered the sun to "Stand Still"

So where is the exact position of heaven?

Ioannes:


Take a look in the mirror. If that doesn't convince you of the existence of God, nothing will.

Humans designed the mirror, are you saying humans created god too? if that's your point then I fully agree

I still can't understand how there can be humans with functioning wills and minds who still think God does not exist.

Your lack of understanding is your problem then

In case you didn't think about it before, let me tell you here, it is NOT possible for an unintelligent, random force to create or form intelligent beings such as humans.

and how "intelligent" is this being called god? isn't he more "intelligent" than the humans you said he created? who created an even more intelligent god then?

I know there is a living God and nothing any Atheist will say that will turn my heart away from God. I also know that these Unbelievers cry like babies at their death-beds seeking same God's forgiveness because they know quite well there is God but foolish pride doest not allow them to believe.

dopemama:
Good morning and Happy Sunday, fellow Nairanlanders, Trust we are all great! I ll like to know if it's mandatory to pray while kneeling only! Cos I do midnight prayers alot and as a person I might not be able to kneel for an hour or more! Do you think sitting to pray is a disrespect to God and hinders prayers? Or what's your take pls?

Any position you like.

LegalOpinion:

So where is the exact position of heaven?

Up! didn't you know Jesus "Flew to heaven"?

perez100:
I know there is a living God and nothing any Atheist will say that will turn my heart away from God. I also know that these Unbelievers cry like babies at their death-beds seeking same God's forgiveness because they know quite well there is God but foolish pride doest not allow them to believe.

Bruh, who told you stories of "unbelievers crying like babies on their deathbeds"? let me guess, they were Christians telling you those stories.


learn here
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-fantasy-of-the-deathbed-conversion

I have seen many of them cried while my born again friend smiled to his death because he knew where he was going.

CuteMadridista:


Up! didn't you know Jesus "Flew to heaven"?

flew to heaven nigga with wings abi? Take sofri dey lie abeg. ...


It is clear that the lord we serve is a spirit and doesn't need to fly, he also has the power of levitation that's why he rose up from the ground to the skies and afterwards , it was recorded that the disciples couldn't see him again which explains the fact that he dissapeared from their sight into heaven. The kingdom of heaven has no direction, its neither up nor down, it's not a place that can be located and so therefore, you dont say its up there.

Its only because our eyes are shut from seeing things of the spirit that's why we dont have divine facts of where the kingdom of heaven is.

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CuteMadridista:
Whether you kneel or jump while praying is inconsequential as it wouldn't stop prayers from being useless, ineffective and a total waste of time

there are actual scientific studies on prayer (eg Templeton Foundation research). Not one has ever shown any connection between prayer and real world outcomes. The only connection is that people who pray BELIEVE that their prayers are answered mostly because humans are designed to ignore all the facts that don't fit their beliefs. But the FACT is, we have studied prayer and it appears to have zero effect on anything

You would have the same success praying to a milk
jug as you do praying to yahweh -- the milk jug sometimes answers your prayer the way you want to, sometimes not and sometimes the answer is delayed. See the problem here? If things turn out the way you want them to, you say it was because you prayed. If not, it's because yahweh knows what's best and you didn't pray for the right thing. Or, if it happens 10 years later you say yahweh answered your prayer, it was just delayed. This is nonsense. You would have the exact same effect doing nothing.

Prayers are proven to be useless whether done while kneeling, running, skipping or sheeting. Prayer is a waste of time and time spent to pray should've been better spent looking for practical solutions


Nigerians keep praying for long life and now has life expectancy of 54.5 years (the 7th lowest in the world) while a prayerless Japan comprising of atheist majority has a life expectancy of 83.7 years (highest in the world)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Nigeria is filled with a population that prays against poverty but she's just been branded "Poverty Capital of the World" http://punchng.com/with-87m-poor-citizens-nigeria-overtakes-india-as-worlds-poverty-capital/



once again, Prayers are useless

Prayers without work and wisdom is laziness,
Prayer works, when you know how to.
But first, one have to know the almighty before he can make progress in prayers.
Do not be deceived, we don't pray for success, prayer is a chat with our father and it is not in the success equation.
Work, real hard work is in the success equation. Which any body God created can do. But on the last day, the day of judgement success will not amount for anything.
Selar.

Bianda24:


You don't need to change, nobody cares if you change, and you won't add anything to the world if you change. You can as well continue with your belief. Nobody cares.

God cares so is Jesus!

perez100:
I have seen many of them cried while my born again friend smiled to his death because he knew where he was going.

Same way Islamic suicide bombers smile to their death because they know where they're going?

tibro:
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Prayers without work and wisdom is laziness,
Prayer works, when you know how to.
But first, one have to know the almighty before he can make progress in prayers.
Do not be deceived, we don't pray for success, prayer is a chat with our father and it is not in the success equation.
Work, real hard work is in the success equation. Which any body God created can do. But on the last day, the day of judgement success will not amount for anything.
Selar.

Work without prayer works

prayer without work doesn't work

ergo, prayer is useless.

Thanks for confirming my epistle

It's just your heart God look at not your body position.the only thing you need to position is your heart.tnx n hpi Sunday to Yu all.

CuteMadridista:
Whether you kneel or jump while praying is inconsequential as it wouldn't stop prayers from being useless, ineffective and a total waste of time

there are actual scientific studies on prayer (eg Templeton Foundation research). Not one has ever shown any connection between prayer and real world outcomes. The only connection is that people who pray BELIEVE that their prayers are answered mostly because humans are designed to ignore all the facts that don't fit their beliefs. But the FACT is, we have studied prayer and it appears to have zero effect on anything

You would have the same success praying to a milk
jug as you do praying to yahweh -- the milk jug sometimes answers your prayer the way you want to, sometimes not and sometimes the answer is delayed. See the problem here? If things turn out the way you want them to, you say it was because you prayed. If not, it's because yahweh knows what's best and you didn't pray for the right thing. Or, if it happens 10 years later you say yahweh answered your prayer, it was just delayed. This is nonsense. You would have the exact same effect doing nothing.

Prayers are proven to be useless whether done while kneeling, running, skipping or sheeting. Prayer is a waste of time and time spent to pray should've been better spent looking for practical solutions


Nigerians keep praying for long life and now has life expectancy of 54.5 years (the 7th lowest in the world) while a prayerless Japan comprising of atheist majority has a life expectancy of 83.7 years (highest in the world)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Nigeria is filled with a population that prays against poverty but she's just been branded "Poverty Capital of the World" http://punchng.com/with-87m-poor-citizens-nigeria-overtakes-india-as-worlds-poverty-capital/



once again, Prayers are useless

You can't use scientific research to judge things of the spirit.

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CuteMadridista:
Whether you kneel or jump while praying is inconsequential as it wouldn't stop prayers from being useless, ineffective and a total waste of time

there are actual scientific studies on prayer (eg Templeton Foundation research). Not one has ever shown any connection between prayer and real world outcomes. The only connection is that people who pray BELIEVE that their prayers are answered mostly because humans are designed to ignore all the facts that don't fit their beliefs. But the FACT is, we have studied prayer and it appears to have zero effect on anything

You would have the same success praying to a milk
jug as you do praying to yahweh -- the milk jug sometimes answers your prayer the way you want to, sometimes not and sometimes the answer is delayed. See the problem here? If things turn out the way you want them to, you say it was because you prayed. If not, it's because yahweh knows what's best and you didn't pray for the right thing. Or, if it happens 10 years later you say yahweh answered your prayer, it was just delayed. This is nonsense. You would have the exact same effect doing nothing.

Prayers are proven to be useless whether done while kneeling, running, skipping or sheeting. Prayer is a waste of time and time spent to pray should've been better spent looking for practical solutions


Nigerians keep praying for long life and now has life expectancy of 54.5 years (the 7th lowest in the world) while a prayerless Japan comprising of atheist majority has a life expectancy of 83.7 years (highest in the world)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Nigeria is filled with a population that prays against poverty but she's just been branded "Poverty Capital of the World" http://punchng.com/with-87m-poor-citizens-nigeria-overtakes-india-as-worlds-poverty-capital/



once again, Prayers are useless

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Bianda24:


You don't need to change, nobody cares if you change, and you won't add anything to the world if you change. You can as well continue with your belief. Nobody cares.

Why respond if you don't care? Is this how you practise your religion, by being overly sensitive and rude when challenged?

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Humans designed the mirror, are you saying humans created god too? if that's your point then I fully agree

What does this even mean? Take a look in the mirror and observe yourself. If the wonder if consciousness doesn't bring you closer to acknowledging a creator then you haven't even begun the journey for the truth.

and how "intelligent" is this being called god? isn't he more "intelligent" than the humans you said he created? who created an even more intelligent god then?

Seems you are just arguing for arguments sake because what this post of yours is incongruous and doesn't even address my own post.


I know that most people who call themselves atheists on Nairaland do so because of frustrations due largely to a hard life and a series of unanswered prayers.


I've been there and done that. Atheism is for people who can't think deep.


Even ancient philosophers like Plato and Socrates knew enough not to dispute the existence of an Almighty, all intelligent Being who authored everything in existence.


My question still stands. I hope you'll take time to meditate on it and not just try to WIN this argument.

Look at yourself in the mirror. Are you an intelligent being? If you look at yourself in the mirror and observe the different parts of you that make up you and you realize that you are observing yourself, then you are an intelligent being. You are conscious of your consciousness.

Move to the next level. How did I come to be here? How did I come to be conscious of me? Where did my consciousness come from? Did it evolve from nature?

Can something unconscious and unintelligent create me a conscious being or even evolve me from unconsciousness to consciousness. Can a dog suddenly become intelligent and start asking questions where it came from and if there's a God somewhere?

Ask the right questions. Not questions based on your own anger against God for not answering your prayers.

Most people, Christians and Moslems alike treat God like the fairy godmother with his wand at the ready, waiting patiently to grant us all our heart's desires.

It doesn't work like that and that attitude towards the Creator of the Universe is what leads many Christians and Moslems to despair and become atheists or more precisely, God-haters.

Shalom.

CuteMadridista:


Humans designed the mirror, are you saying humans created god too? if that's your point then I fully agree

Your lack of understanding is your problem then

and how "intelligent" is this being called god? isn't he more "intelligent" than the humans you said he created? who created an even more intelligent god then?

Some before you have seen the Light

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_nontheism

May you too see the Light as they did before it was too late.

Isaiah

55:6 SEEK ye THE LORD while he MAY BE found, call ye upon him while he is NEAR:

55:7 Let the wicked FORSAKE his way, and the unrighteous man his THOUGHTS: and let him RETURN unto the LORD, and he will have MERCY upon him; and to our God, for he will ABUNDANTLY PARDON.

55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Aboki99:


According to the Holly Bible the only Scripturally-supported prayer position is doing as Jesus did in Matt 26:39. Other Biblical prophets also did the same in Gen 17:3, Neh 8:6, etc. What is that bro.? Falling down on your face to pray as the Muslims do. "Moving a little further, Jesus fell down on his face and prayed" - Matthew 26 v39. This is the only way to pray and if you say it is not, just supply me your own Bibblical proofs NOT INSULTS! JESUS PRAYED AS MUSLIMS DO! Just follow Jesus if you truly have faith and obey his commandments!

Please dont be confused , Can you also show us where Jesus perform ablution like Muslim before he prayed ?

Jesus told us how to pray , in
Mathew 6: 9-13 ,

"This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,

your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us today our daily bread.

Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'

The position does not matter.

The fervent prayers of the righteous availeth much

well my contribution to this topics is that when we talk of prayer, it's our way of communicating to God. now the position matters because we have different ways of talking to God. obviously you can't pray a warfare prayer sitting down. I tell u ur prayer won't b so effective.

[quote author=DedeNkem post=71857097]Why "pray" to an imaginary god? Could any religious person here prove their god exists!

I am open-minded and willing to change if you can undeniably demonstrate or prove that your god exists.

Please, don't quote your bible to me. The bible is not a reliable historic book.[/quot

Please answer the follow question :
Where did your soul come from and where will it go to when you die ? Why is your flesh not looks like that of Goat ? , Who made the heaven ?, who made the earth ?,
Please I will be happy if you can answer the question, thank you

Ioannes:


Take a look in the mirror. If that doesn't convince you of the existence of God, nothing will.

That something exists is not a proof that some unseen being created it.

I still can't understand how there can be humans with functioning wills and minds who still think God does not exist.

A human who possesses logical reasoning and values the truth doesn't engage in fallacies.

In case you didn't think about it before, let me tell you here, it is NOT possible for an unintelligent, random force to create or form intelligent beings such as humans.

Do you know how many imaginary gods people worship all over the world? Do you know there are thousands of religions in existence today?
Let's assume for a second that a god created everything. Can you prove that it was your own god that did it?

dopemama:
Good morning and Happy Sunday, fellow Nairanlanders, Trust we are all great! I ll like to know if it's mandatory to pray while kneeling only! Cos I do midnight prayers alot and as a person I might not be able to kneel for an hour or more! Do you think sitting to pray is a disrespect to God and hinders prayers? Or what's your take pls?

and what have u achieved with all your prayer?

hemartins:
You can choose whatever position that is suitable for you.

According to the Bible, kneeling was a common position (1Kings 8:54, 2Chronicles 6:13, Daniel 6:10, Psalm 95:6, Acts 9:40, 20:36) as it is among many Christians today. This was, however, not the only way petitions were offered to the Eternal. For example, Jesus spoke a lengthy prayer, loud enough for all his disciples to hear, when he walked to the garden of Gethsemane to await his arrest (John 17).


Early Christians did not have a single best prayer position they used. They, instead, favored several positions such as standing, sometimes with their heads bowed, with their arms extended at their sides (like the shape of a cross) or with them raised toward heaven. They were also inclined to kneel or prostrate themselves when making their petitions to God

This positions only shows humility and conservative attitude towards God when we pray.

...they were no Christians during Jesus's time even Jesus was a Jew... And they had a way of praying not several ways... The right way is the Judaism way(judging by originality,because Jesus prayed as a Jew) of prayers if you want to go for authenticity.... Years of spread of Christianity in different cultures especially western/roman has altered the way they prayed that time... Actually the old aramaic/jewish way of prayer is somehow similar to that of the Muslims because they have same Semitic root. Please don't misquote me, am not saying anyone should pray like the the Muslims but fact is the old Judaism way of prayers is almost similar to there's.... All the shouting, clapping hands, running around and gesticulations as you pray is actually a corruption of the way prayer was done because no one prayed like that during those days ...

Aboki99:


According to the Holly Bible the only Scripturally-supported prayer position is doing as Jesus did in Matt 26:39. Other Biblical prophets also did the same in Gen 17:3, Neh 8:6, etc. What is that bro.? Falling down on your face to pray as the Muslims do. "Moving a little further, Jesus fell down on his face and prayed" - Matthew 26 v39. This is the only way to pray and if you say it is not, just supply me your own Bibblical proofs NOT INSULTS! JESUS PRAYED AS MUSLIMS DO! Just follow Jesus if you truly have faith and obey his commandments!

Thanks a bunch!

Uyi168:
Your head down, two legs raised should be the best position..

na acrobatics?