DoctorAlien:


Don't you think it's because GOD is omniscient that He had Satan all figured out, even expecting all of his moves?

Well, he created satan, are you surprised?

As for me, the grand finale of this great drama is more than convenient. It is truly comforting to know that evil and injustice will one day come to and end.

Avengers 4 comes to mind. May 19 2019. You watched infinity war right?

bloodofthelamb:


It is limited and short-sighted.

You said it

DoctorAlien:


Don't you think it's because GOD is omniscient that He had Satan all figured out, even expecting all of his moves?

and did nothing to stop it. So that means god also knew the humans it would create would disobey it and it would burn billions of humans for eternity

As for me, the grand finale of this great drama is more than convenient. It is truly comforting to know that evil and injustice will one day come to and end.

A grand finale that is more fantasy than reality

hahn:
Any bible verse to support this?

Which of the two sentences are you asking bible verse to support?

hahn:
Your quotes are getting more and more off point.

I am very much sticking to the point.
Remember my comment was:
"the brilliant summation of the write-up is that:
The greatest love you can have for your friends is to give your life for them."

at which took an exception to with a:
"If you wake up after 3 days and your friends still have to go to hell for their sins then why did you die in the first place?"

So I countered your exception with:
"I am sorry. I left out the final part of that quote.
It says:
"You are my friends, if you do what I command.""

Then you came back with:
"Sounds like a threat"

but I replied that:
"Personally, I dont think so nor see it that way
besides, if one has nothing to hide, then one has nothing to fear, is what I'll say"

hahn:
Try talking to a lady and tell her "love me or I'll burn you" and see if she will see it your way

I am pleased to know that you like asking for bible verses that backs up comments posted
but let's get a few things straight and in the open first.
1/ Do I own the lady, for you to be suggesting, I tell "love me or I'll burn you"?
2/ What is the right have I over any lady justifies anyone thinking up a thought to want to talk to a lady, in that manner and/or regard?

johnydon22:
Well, he created satan, are you surprised?

Avengers 4 comes to mind. May 19 2019. You watched infinity war right?

The problem here is that true stories also have climactic endings.

MuttleyLaff:
Which of the two sentences are you asking bible verse to support?

Both verses

I am very much sticking to the point.
Remember my comment was:
"the brilliant summation of the write-up is that:
The greatest love you can have for your friends is to give your life for them."

at which took an exception to with a:
"If you wake up after 3 days and your friends still have to go to hell for their sins then why did you die in the first place?"

So I countered your exception with:
"I am sorry. I left out the final part of that quote.
It says:
"You are my friends, if you do what I command.""

Then you came back with:
"Sounds like a threat"

but I replied that:
"Personally, I dont think so nor see it that way
besides, if one has nothing to hide, then one has nothing to fear, is what I'll say"

Oh well

I am pleased to know that you like asking for bible verses that backs up comments posted
but let's get a few things straight and in the open first.
1/ Do I own the lady, for you to be suggesting, I tell "love me or I'll burn you"?
2/ What is the right have I over any lady justifies anyone thinking up a thought to want to talk to a lady, in that manner and/or regard?

1- No. You don't own her
2- The idea is asking for love with a threat of death of that love is not shown which is what your god is asking. Get it?

hahn:


and did nothing to stop it. So that means god also knew the humans it would create would disobey it and it would burn billions of humans for eternity



A grand finale that is more fantasy than reality

No bro. He did something. He provided Jesus Christ. Sadly many will be destroyed because they rejected Jesus Christ. By the way no one will burn for eternity.

Well, we will see whether it is fantasy or reality.

DoctorAlien:


No bro. He did something. He provided Jesus Christ.

You didn't answer the other part of my comment. The coming of Jesus is really a waste of resources if you consider it sincerely.

Jesus came, died, rose up from dead instead of remaining dead and there is still suffering in the world and people still go to hell for their sins.

Sadly many will be destroyed because they rejected Jesus Christ.

Well, we will see whether it is fantasy or reality.

Just as you will go to the muslim hell for not acknowledging that Mohammed is Allah's prophet and for believing in Jesus according to the muslims.

I guess it is the battle of imaginary friends. May the best nutcase win

hahn:


You didn't answer the other part of my comment. The coming of Jesus is really a waste of resources if you consider it sincerely.

Jesus came, died, rose up from dead instead of remaining dead and there is still suffering in the world and people still go to hell for their sins.

In the spirit of being sincere, tell me, what if someone doesn't want the remedy offered in Jesus Christ? Should GOD force it on such a person? You, will you say GOD is fair if He does that? By the way, Jesus' rising from the dead is very consistent with the entire Bible.

Just as you will go to the muslim hell for not acknowledging that Mohammed is Allah's prophet and for believing in Jesus according to the muslims.

I guess it is the battle of imaginary friends. May the best nutcase win

If the Bible is true, then I know that no other hell exists other than the one GOD is going to unleash on evildoers at the end.

DoctorAlien:


The problem here is that true stories also have climactic endings.

Not necessarily, it seems more so for the fantasy genre. brings more thrill and drama to the whole thing.

Imagine if God simply destroyed satan before he created Adam and Eve, there won't be any story

DoctorAlien:
In the spirit of being sincere, tell me, what if someone doesn't want the remedy offered in Jesus Christ? Should GOD force it on such a person? You, will you say GOD is fair if He does that? By the way, Jesus' rising from the dead is very consistent with the entire Bible.

Let me stress this a little; What do you think about those born before Jesus or never heard of Jesus? They'd be condemned too?

If the Bible is true, then I know that no other hell exists other than the one GOD is going to unleash on evildoers at the end.

LOL to be honest, IF the Marvel Comics [/b] is true, i'd be an avenger.

DoctorAlien was it Satan or the snake that deceived Eve?

johnydon22:
Not necessarily,

You can't deny it.

it seems more so for the fantasy genre. brings more thrill and drama to the whole thing.

Maybe true. Maybe not.

Imagine if God simply destroyed satan before he created Adam and Eve, there won't be any story

Not really. I would say the story would be different, with the situation probably being worse than this.

hahn:
Both verses

Your wish is my command

The plan to come and die on earth had been formulated even before creation and foundation of the earth
>>>
"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you"
- 1 Peter 1:20

Jesus started to exist subsequently after the moment the Holy Spirit came upon Mary and the power of the Most High overshadowed her
>>>
"And the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
- Luke 1:35

"This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph.
But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin,
she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit."
- Matthew 1:18

hahn:
Oh well

hahn:
1- No. You don't own her

Oh-oh, I dont own her.
There you are then, if I dont own her then I dont have the right to talk to her in that manner then. Get it?

hahn:
2- The idea is asking for love with a threat of death of that love is not shown which is what your God is asking. Get it?

It is a statement of fact, merely calling a spade what it is, a spade
It is not a threat, it is not being vindictive and personalized
It is an utterance of truth about an inevitable, inescapable and sure to happen reality of a situation

hahn:


But Jesus was in heaven at the beginning of creation, wasn't he?



If you wake up after 3 days and your friends still have to go to hell for their sins then why did you die in the first place?

3 days for where? Jesus was not even dead for up to two days. He was said to have been dead around the 9th hour (3PM) on Friday and was seen resurrected before dawn on Sunday morning. That's approximately 40 hours.

johnydon22:

Let me stress this a little; What do you think about those born before Jesus or never heard of Jesus? They'd be condemned too?

Not exactly. Before Jesus came, there was the law. For those that sinned without the law, they will also perish without the law.(Rom. 2:12). Likewise, those who did right before Jesus came will be spoken for by the merits of Jesus.

LOL to be honest, IF the Marvel Comics [/b] is true, i'd be an avenger.

I agree that the IF is a big one, but I can say for myself that I am convinced that the Bible is true.

johnydon22:

And God created Adam and Eve and put them in a perfect garden. The tree of life and death was with God and then God thought to himself;

"I should put that tree right into the garden"

"Jesus! What do you think? I am gonna put that tree into the garden"

"What?" Jesus yelled "Are you kidding me right now? That's a horrible idea"

"Ooooh i am going to put it" God smirked

"Common!!!" Jesus yelled and other inhabitants of heaven just looked on.

And so it happened, that God put the tree he didn't want anybody to eat from right into the middle of the garden where the only 2 people who possibly could eat it lived.

And then, he called Adam and Eve and said "See, you guys can eat from every tree in this garden but not that one"

"What?" Eve yelled

"Why did you put it here then?" Adam queried

God rolled his eyes "Hey, Hey, common guys, see, i am serious. Nobody should eat from that tree"

Do you know the first thing the b-itch did? Totally eat the fruit and gave it to Adam.

Back in heaven, Jesus and God watched with open mouth as Adam and Eve munched the juicy fruit like their lives depended on it.

And God slowly turned to Jesus and said "You do know i'm gonna have to have you killed for this right?"

Jesus chuckled at the perceived subtle joke then it dawned on him, God never jokes.

"WTF!!!"

You got your tree wrong. The fruit of the tree Adam and Eve ate was from the tree of knowledge and not the tree of life. After Adam and Eve eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge and acquired knowledge the Hebrew God had to guard the tree of life with 2 cherubs holding flaming swords to prevent them from eating from its fruit, else man would have become immortal .

johnydon22:


In order words, Jesus died for an allegory?

You don't understand. That story , who witnessed it?And it has been in Egypt long before the birth of Moses who supposedly wrote the Genesis. It is an attempt at explaining why there is pain in the world. so don't just go there.

Jesus coming is revolutionary democracy reconnecting us to God's original laws/plan which never changes despite religious claims or a saner way of life which is better than all the Christian religious philosophies before it.

johnydon22:
Doctor Alien was it Satan or the snake that deceived Eve?

Satan, coming in the form of a serpent.

wirinet:
3 days for where? Jesus was not even dead for up to two days. He was said to have been dead around the 9th hour (3PM) on Friday and was seen resurrected before dawn on Sunday morning. That's approximately 40 hours.

Biblical Jews counted days and nights differently to how we count them

wirinet:


You got your tree wrong. The fruit of the tree Adam and Eve ate was from the tree of knowledge and not the tree of life. After Adam and Eve eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge and acquired knowledge the Hebrew God had to guard the tree of life with 2 cherubs holding flaming swords to prevent them from eating from its fruit, else man would have become immortal .

I even missed that. LOL. One more thing wrong with his woeful attempt at mocking the Genesis account.

DoctorAlien:

Not really. I would say the story would be different, with the situation probably being worse than this.

Seems God is awfully incompetent in creating the perfect world from the start

DoctorAlien:


Satan, coming in the form of a serpent.

So, why was the serpent punished?

johnydon22:
DoctorAlien was it Satan or the snake that deceived Eve?

DoctorAlien:
Satan, coming in the form of a serpent.

johnydon22, just like the serpent, you get possessed by whatever you expose yourself to.
You can be possessed by whatever you permit yourself to come under its influence.
All it takes is, a lapse of judgement, a drop in guard, an error of judgement, a metal lapse,
a moment of being emotionally vulnerable for possession to take place

Satan has a free pass, and so with it, enters everywhere on earth with it.

Satan doesnt really need a green light before popping head in or around anywhere
Satan has already being and still is here, on this thread, reading aptly with keen interest

Satan enters you johnydon22, I and everyone.
It's not just Judas, remember the serpent, remember Peter
(i.e. when and where in Matthew 16:23, Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan!'')

johnydon22:
So, why was the serpent punished?

It should have known better

johnydon22:
Seems God is awfully incompetent in creating the perfect world from the start

You mean you think GOD would have been more competent if He created robots incapable of disobeying Him?

DoctorAlien:
Not exactly. Before Jesus came, there was the law. For those that sinned without the law, they will also perish without the law.(Rom. 2:12). Likewise, those who did right before Jesus came will be spoken for by the merits of Jesus.

Seems Jesus coming isn't really that necessary to gain salvation then?

I agree that the IF is a big one, but I can say for myself that I am convinced that the Bible is true.

Some are convinced that Obama is a reptilian from another planet. Doesn't matter really.

DoctorAlien:


You mean you think GOD would have been more competent if He created robots incapable of disobeying Him?

God is omniscient and omnipotent; By definition he should be able to create a perfect world that still has freewill.

If he can't, this betrays a level of incompetence and defeats omniscience and omnipotence by definition.

God seem to be awfully incompetent at doing these things.

- Regretted creating humans (By virtue of omniscience is impossible)
- Created satan

The argument is; the actions of God as portrayed in the bible evidently contradicts the principles of God by definition of omniscience, omnipotence and omnibenevolence.

johnydon22:
So, why was the serpent punished?

While this issue is inconsequential to salvation, and admitting that I do not have full knowledge of GOD's counsels and ways(indeed I have only a microscopic little), I would say perhaps to leave a physical(perhaps temporary) testimony of His displeasure at Satan for deceiving man, registered on the creature in the form of which Satan came. The serpent is not a conscentious creature, and so it does not make meaning saying that it was being punished for what it "did". Satan is the one who is going to be destroyed at last.

MuttleyLaff:


johnydon22, just like the serpent, you get possessed by whatever you expose yourself to.
You can be possessed by whatever you permit yourself to come under its influence.
All it takes is, a lapse of judgement, a drop in guard, an error of judgement, a metal lapse,
a moment of being emotionally vulnerable for possession to take place

Satan has a free pass, and so with it, enters everywhere on earth with it.

Satan doesnt really need a green light before popping head in or around anywhere
Satan has already being and still is here, on this thread, reading aptly with keen interest

Satan enters you johnydon22, I and everyone.
It's not just Judas, remember the serpent, remember Peter
(i.e. when and where in Matthew 16:23, Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan!'')

It should have known better

hahahahaha ok.

DoctorAlien:


While this issue is inconsequential to salvation, and admitting that I do not have full knowledge of GOD's counsels and ways(indeed I have only a microscopic little), I would say perhaps to leave a physical(perhaps temporary) testimony of His displeasure at Satan for deceiving man, registered on the creature in the form of which Satan came. The serpent is not a conscentious creature, and so it does not make meaning saying that it was being punished for what it "did". Satan is the one who is going to be destroyed at last.

LOL so the serpent was punished for what it didn't do?

johnydon22:
God is omniscient and omnipotent; By definition he should be able to create a perfect world that still has freewill.

If he can't, this betrays a level of incompetence and defeats omniscience and omnipotence by definition.

God seem to be awfully incompetent at doing these things.

- Regretted creating humans (By virtue of omniscience is impossible)
- Created satan

The argument is; the actions of God as portrayed in the bible evidently contradicts the principles of God by definition of omniscience, omnipotence and omnibenevolence.

Bro, all these things are what you think. I will not be surprised too if you say GOD is not omnipotent just because He did not create a square circle.

By the way, a perfect world with freewill was existing until imperfection came in through the only door through which it could have come in: freewill.

DoctorAlien:
Not exactly. Before Jesus came, there was the law.
For those that sinned without the law, they will also perish without the law (Rom. 2:12).
Likewise, those who did right before Jesus came will be spoken for by the merits of Jesus.

I agree that the IF is a big one, but I can say for myself that I am convinced that the Bible is true.

johnydon22:
Seems Jesus coming isn't really that necessary to gain salvation then?

The comprehension and significance of the above emboldened (i.e. ... spoken for by the merits of Jesus) went over your head

Think about it this way, free legal aid, the right to counsel and the right to a fair trial

If anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

johnydon22:
Some are convinced that Obama is a reptilian from another planet. Doesn't matter really.

Glad saying, it doesnt really matter, it came out of your mouth and hand