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| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by Nobody: 8:22pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
epelumi42: epelumi42: People decide their notion of FEMINISM. Why can't we all decide our notion of what FEMINISM is? Yes it's about power that's my own notion of what it's all about. It's all about perspective. cc AIPeter I hope you get the joke playing here. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by marvinsync(m): 9:33pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
epelumi42:feminism is a sexist word and I hate it I'd rather egalitarian which means equality for all people feminism breeds extremists and men haters , it's also the perfect cover for lazy women to want equal power but not equal responsibility is there any word that always needs to be defined over and over again. like feminism? people just don't get it cause the word is sooooo sexist again egalitarian is better |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by epelumi42(op): 9:33pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
WORDWORLD:Feminism is not the same thing as freedom because it is not relative. Feminism has a defined cause and definition. Don't mix it up. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by Nobody: 9:39pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
epelumi42:Defined by who? And what is this cause. I hope such a relativism as 'FREEDOM' is not one of them. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 10:39pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
marvinsync:Many women of today are benefitting from Feminism that was started in the past, you need to read the history behind the movement, it has nothing to do with sexists against men instead it was the other way round. Most people get the ideology of feminism wrong due to wrong information and different ideologies, feminism has been polluted, abused by people of today. I use to think feminism was all about men-hating-competing group in the past due to ignorance. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 10:46pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
epelumi42:Actually Feminism is about freedom/liberalism for women who were oppressed in the past by men. Now that the freedom is there for women, there are still some sexism in the society against women especially in Africa and Asia. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by Xavier5(m): 11:12pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
Feminism is not bad, as a matter of fact, Feminism is the illumination of the society. Although Feminism due to the nature of our contemporary society is divided into two: True Feminism and False Feminism. True Feminism is a movement that supports the Equality (in terms of rights and privileges), equity and fair treatment of women in the society, not treating them (women) as inferior or sub class beings. That's what it means and a True Feminist possesses the above ideology. A true feminist seeks and strive for gender equality (in terms of rights and privileges) and equity. A true feminist strive for the respect of women in the society. A true feminist strive for financial independency of women. A true feminist doesn't discriminate gender wise. The motto of a True feminist is " What's good for the man is likewise good for the woman. What's bad for the man is likewise bad for the woman". A true feminist is a strong woman, a woman of honour, dignity and respect. BUT False Feminism on the other hand is a movement formed by some confused women trying to bring Feminism into their confusion. This particular movement proposes total male dominance and control. It is also a misandrist movement. False feminist are the ones upholding such ideology. False feminist aren't Feminist at all but just confuse feminist wannabe who doesn't know what feminism is all about. This are the ones giving a bad name to Feminism. They mar it's image. Funnily, Nigeria is a Feminist nation because it offers equal opportunities, rights and privileges to both gender educationally, security wise, careerly, professionally, politically etc. So the question I always ask myself is, what then do feminist want in Nigeria. Anyways, Feminism, True Feminism is good. It is an eye opener, a social deliverance to a social bondage. It is a noble course. It should be encouraged not discouraged. #Xavier.
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| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by Nobody: 11:38pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
pansophist:That's odd |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 12:03am On Oct 18, 2018 |
Xavier5:Yes, Nigeria Constitution favors the women but the culture and social myth is the problem. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by Xavier5(m): 12:06am On Oct 18, 2018 |
tintingz:Then the problem is lack of indoctrination and awareness. Indoctrinate the women, create awareness, let them know about feminism, it's objectives, aims and advantages. Let them be charged and encouraged to embrace and practice it. #Xavier.
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| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by Xavier5(m): 12:09am On Oct 18, 2018 |
tintingz:Gbam. You have spoken. people need to understand the difference between true feminism and false feminism. #Xavier.
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| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by marvinsync(m): 8:15am On Oct 18, 2018 |
tintingz:the term "feminism" originated from a French word "feminisme" and was coined by the utopian socialist Charles Fourier and was first used in English in the 1890s in association with the movement for Equal political and legal rights for women . do u get it now the word "feminism" was always to be a woman's thing , it was built for their ideals , men never really had a place in that. and they have gotten the equal legal and political rights , so what's still the hot sh!t about? The word " Egalitarian" also means equal rights for all people , so why don't we use that word instead why don't people go around calling themselves Egalitarians instead of using a word with a sexist prefix like feminist in today's society there is no limitations for women ! they can be whatever they want to be , if they don't want to cook then they should not cook , if they don't wanna be housewives then they should not be they should stop with playing the victims all the time, no one is oppressing u !!! they should drop the sexist label "feminist" , they don't need it to be a strong independent woman |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by marvinsync(m): 8:17am On Oct 18, 2018 |
tintingz:the term "feminism" originated from a French word "feminisme" and was coined by the utopian socialist Charles Fourier and was first used in English in the 1890s in association with the movement for Equal political and legal rights for women . do u get it now the word "feminism" was always to be a woman's thing , it was built for their ideals , men never really had a place in that. and they have gotten the equal legal and political rights , so what's still the hot sh!t about? The word " Egalitarian" also means equal rights for all people , so why don't we use that word instead why don't people go around calling themselves Egalitarians instead of using a word with a sexist prefix like feminist in today's society there is no limitations for women ! they can be whatever they want to be , if they don't want to cook then they should not cook , if they don't wanna be housewives then they should not be they should stop with playing the victims all the time, no one is oppressing u !!! they should drop the sexist label "feminist" , they don't need it to be a strong independent woman |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 9:00am On Oct 18, 2018 |
marvinsync:Did you read my post well? Feminism came out when women can't take the oppression in the society by men, do you know the years women have been oppressed by patriach men? Even in the so call holy books, you can see how women are degraded and oppressed. Feminism is not sexism against men instead it's the other way round. So yes feminism has to do with women's rights and liberalism, there's nothing wrong with that, there are even male feminists, the problem now is the wannabe feminist we have today that knows no iota about the true ideology of Feminism. Kindly read history how feminism started. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 9:17am On Oct 18, 2018 |
Xavier5:It won't be an easy thing, social myth like cultures, religion won't make it easy. We need to encourage them(young girls, women) in critical thinking and reasoning, by that they will know what's good for them. Indoctrinating sounds like what religious people do to kids. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by marvinsync(m): 9:35am On Oct 18, 2018 |
tintingz:no it seems YOU didn't read my post(s) well like u just said feminism started out when "women" wanted to escape oppression by "men" so u see it was never about men who also are oppressed by women and society it was never really a man's thing ,it was the oppressed (women ) Vs the oppressors (men) and that's whats still going on today , a lot feminists act anti-man , they are always going in about how men are chauvinistic , misogynist, egoistic , we are the bad guys ,t he oppressors and they are the oppressed and I get a lot of guys are like that but feminists go to the extreme now if ur really about true equality for both sexes women should also advocate against patriarchy not just when it suits them , like CAPSLOCKED said feminism can't survive when women don't even advocate for it cause they don't wanna give up their benefits so overall I'm saying I believe in equality that's why I don't want the word "feminism" it's a sexist word having feminine as it's prefix I prefer the word "Egalitarian ". they supposedly mean the same thing but Egalitarian is a gender neutral word |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by marvinsync(m): 9:43am On Oct 18, 2018 |
tintingz:no it seems YOU didn't read my post(s) well like u just said feminism started out when "women" wanted to escape oppression by "men" so u see it was never about men who also are oppressed by women and society it was never really a man's thing ,it was the oppressed (women ) Vs the oppressors (men) and that's whats still going on today , a lot feminists act anti-man , they are always going in about how men are chauvinistic , misogynist, egoistic , we are the bad guys ,t he oppressors and they are the oppressed and I get a lot of guys are like that but feminists go to the extreme now if ur really about true equality for both sexes women should also advocate against patriarchy not just when it suits them , like CAPSLOCKED said feminism can't survive when women don't even advocate for it cause they don't wanna give up their benefits so overall I'm saying I believe in equality that's why I don't want the word "feminism" it's a sexist word having feminine as it's prefix I prefer the word "Egalitarian ". they supposedly mean the same thing but Egalitarian is a gender neutral word |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 11:35am On Oct 18, 2018 |
marvinsync:Feminists are like activists, fighting for women's rights, it's no different from other activists group. I really don't see anything wrong with it. Looking at history the society has always favor men than women, in Saudi Arabia women can now drive because of the cry of the women activists(now jailed), these women sacrifice themselves for this struggle. and that's whats still going on today , a lot feminists act anti-man , they are always going in about how men are chauvinistic , misogynist, egoistic , we are the bad guys ,t he oppressors and they are the oppressedYes we have women like that, like I said the ideology of Feminism has been abused, polluted by many people of today. and I get a lot of guys are like that but feminists go to the extremeI'm yet to see the worse oppression women has done in history. Kindly mention any. now if ur really about true equality for both sexes women should also advocate against patriarchy not just when it suits them ,There are different types of feminist, we have the hypocrite, wannabe ones, mostly African women. Go to Europe or America and see real feminist, successful women. so overall I'm saying I believe in equality that's why I don't want the word "feminism" it's a sexist word having feminine as it's prefixFeminism is for women's rights, there are even male feminist, they only want equal right for both sexes that's all, every other thing are additional. I prefer the word "Egalitarian ". they supposedly mean the same thingWhatever you want to choose it's your choice, but most women activists prefer calling themselves feminists since it suit thier ideology. I prefer calling myself Humanists, some men call themselves male feminists since they are for women's rights. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by marvinsync(m): 11:56am On Oct 18, 2018 |
tintingz:like u just said feminist fight for women's right and I have no issues with that but u see I believe in gender equality too , so I'm not fighting for women's right I'm fighting for men's right tooo I'm aware of male feminist but mind u there are men that are women too . in developed countries and in Nigeria women have already been freed legally , of course Nigeria still has tribalism and religion holding them back , but that's the beauty of it being held back is now a choice ! a lot of women are aware of Feminism but CHOOSE to ignore it do u think that we are the only ones with beliefs ? or that our beliefs (gender equality) are correct and everybody's elses is wrong?! everyone has right to believe whatever but everyone knows now that in Nigeria the only limitation to women is in their mind, their choice! and mind u there's difference between women empowerment and Feminism a lot of women are empowered and go around empowering women but still believe in male patriarchy ( the man is the head of the family) and it works for them and they are happy, they are not feminist! but the sick thing is feminist go around acting like they are the wise and correct ones and anyone who thinks Feminism is sh!t is either a slave (if it's a woman) or a misogynist (male) and we are the bad and stupid ones and I'm also complaining about the title "feminist" it sounds really sexist there are other words that also mean gender equality why don't they go for those ones why do they go for such a controversial and confusing label |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by JONNYSPUTE(m): 12:18pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
tintingz:.. My brother,please don't get things mixed up,feminism is never bad,what is bad is the way most "let me borrow your exact words" the feminist wannabe go about it. Most of you are quick to conclude that Nigerian men are against but what have you guys done to enlighten the so called wannabes on the right way of going about it? Most of you will not condemn the atrocities and the negative ways they go about it and when people complain,you guys rush to claim that those complaining doesn't understand the movement. Who told you they don't?. Does feminism teaches one to be rude,disrespectful, hateful towards men?. No. Why not start teaching those wannabes polluting the movement the right way to go about it. Most men are not happy with the movement and grouped all the feminists so because most of them possess and act same. Who wouldn't be confused if all you hear most of them scream is only about equal rights without the corresponding responsibilities that comes with it? I for example doesn't see anything wrong with the movement because its a good thing that are women can stand on their own without waiting for the man to do everything. I think you people should to more on educating the so called wannabes because they are the ones destroying the movement. Every girl that has a broken relationship,divorced or ugly claim to be a feminists and you people advocating for it welcomes them with open arms without finding out it they truely understand the meaning of the movement. Don't blame men who are not in support of it rather,blame ur so called wannabes and you advocates that has refused to teach them the right way to go about it. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by Xavier5(m): 12:21pm On Oct 18, 2018*. Modified: 12:34am On Jan 26, 2023 |
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| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 12:30pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
marvinsync:In developed countries like America and Europe women's rights is like 80% achieved, in Asia and Africa women's rights is like 40%, imagine in 21 century Saudi Arabia are just giving women approval to drive cars, in the northern Nigeria women are subjected to men like slaves, so there are still work to be done. A lot of women are aware of feminism but choose to be ignorant of it ideology, they are indoctrinated to believe they are lesser, they are indoctrinated to believe feminism is of the devil's work. This is how people are indoctrinated to believe other religions are evil and will go to hell. do u think that we are the only ones with beliefs ? or that our beliefs (gender equality) are correct and everybody's elses is wrong?!Any belief that promote oppression of a fellow human is wrong. everyone has right to believe whatever but everyone knows now that in Nigeria the only limitation to women is in their mind, their choice!What are the difference? a lot of women are empowered and go around empowering women but still believe in male patriarchy ( the man is the head of the family) and it works for them and they are happy, they are not feminist!You're still getting feminism wrong, it's not a gender competition thing, it's for equal rights for the sexes, we have feminist who are married and happy, I still don't get your point? but the sick thing is feminist go around acting like they are the wise and correct ones and anyone who thinks Feminism is sh!t is either a slave (if it's a woman) or a misogynist (male) and we are the bad and stupid onesIs this part of the ideology of Feminism you quoted in your previous post? and I'm also complaining about the title "feminist" it sounds really sexistIs Black power movement ideology a racist? there are other words that also mean gender equality why don't they go for those ones why do they go for such a controversial and confusing labelFeminism is a platform for women right activists just like Black power movement is for Blacks right activists. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 12:36pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
Xavier5:Yes. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 12:47pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
JONNYSPUTE:I understand and I get your point, you made a good point. But I'm yet to see the worse oppression women have done in history. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by Xavier5(m): 12:51pm On Oct 18, 2018*. Modified: 12:32am On Jan 26, 2023 |
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| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 1:24pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
Xavier5:So the saying that women should be silent in the church in the new testament is not against gender equality, let's not even talk about the old testament that treat women like shít, the Quran is also not left out. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by JONNYSPUTE(m): 1:33pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
tintingz:... You should have at least answer my question or are just being emotional and sentimental towards the movement? Address some of the points I raised.I'm waiting. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by Xavier5(m): 1:34pm On Oct 18, 2018*. Modified: 12:32am On Jan 26, 2023 |
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| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 1:38pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
JONNYSPUTE:Lol, I answered that you have a good point, meaning I agree there are wannabe women claiming feminists. Now I asked a question, mention any worse oppression women have done to men in history? |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 1:39pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
Xavier5:Okay sir. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by JONNYSPUTE(m): 2:14pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
tintingz:.. Although this your question is not part of my discussion with you but I can honestly say I don't know any. Note. Its my opinion any other person can have a contrary answer to it. |
| Re: Is Feminism Really A Bad Thing? by tintingz(m): 2:33pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
JONNYSPUTE:Okay |
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