mountmoriah:
this is tedious work for people, without dimensions, accurate estimate is far this drawing

DEXTROVERT:
My welder gave me estimate of 250k for 4 bedroom burglars
With the designs below
I need technical advice
Haven't done something like this before.. I beat it down from quotations of 285k using 3/4 bars
They are 19 inclusive of toilet windows, kitachen and front with railings

Also to plaster in and out was 170k
workmanship and 80 bags of cement
These pple want to kill me
It lies on 11*18.5m

Kindly help with your technical opinion
I also need someone who can help with aluminum company located in ibadan.. Contact for aluminum supply

joycluv:
Plz what's the height of this your roof?

bala221:
Hello great house,

I am starting my house project size (35 ft by 97 ft), and have given an architect to do my designs (2 storey building, that is two floors above the ground floor with a small BQ beside). I want to start bit by bit as I am not loaded for now.

He is insisting that I go for structural design before I commence, But I think I can get a good civil engineer to supervise once in a while during the project to save cost instead of doing the structural designs (He (the architect) has given me the DWG drawings for structural design). What do you advice?

I am now waiting for the architect to finish off his designs and then I begin setting out.


Also I am in diaspora, please what are the tips to avoid being shortchanged by my builders and overseers?

My project is in Kano by the way.

PRODUTIM1:
Advice is needed on factors to consider in buying tiles. Which type should I avoid in buying and how will I identify a good tiles?

ThatHistoryGuy:


Greetings here
When you go to buy tiles sir

On floor tiles
If you can afford Spanish,Italian ,China vitrified or Nigerian vitrified tiles go for either of them
Even though within the market there Spanish tiles we called "Biscuit" due to its low quality but still most Spanish/italian tiles are of good quality either porlain or vitrified .
However if you can't afford Spanish /Italian tiles go for China/Nigerian vitrified tiles. They are also very durable .
On sizes 60x60 are best for sitting rooms and bedroom floors . while Glossy tiles are best for sitting rooms mathe tiles are best for bedrooms to reduce slip n fall.
On kitchen and bathroom,you can go for 30x30 and 40x40 respectively. Avoid slippery tiles for bathrooms and kitchens. Also avoid ceramic tiles for bathrooms.

On wall tiles
You don't need to consider quality that much. So you can go for porcelain or ceramic tiles .
Though Spanish wall tiles are more qualitative than Nigerian or China made but they are all good for walls . But if you have the money for for Spanish or China 30x60 cus Nigerian 25x40 lacks that original and consistent look.
Below is a sample of China vitrified tile
Contact me on 08157000908 WhatsApp enabled for more clarification,samples and prices quotes .
Goodmorning.

Teezzbond:


By what document did he inherit the property? Will? Letter of administration?

PRODUTIM1:
Thanks for the information

PRODUTIM1:
Advice is needed on factors to consider in buying tiles. Which type should I avoid in buying and how will I identify a good tiles?

PRODUTIM1:
Advice is needed on factors to consider in buying tiles. Which type should I avoid in buying and how will I identify a good tiles?

DEXTROVERT:
My welder gave me estimate of 250k for 4 bedroom burglars
With the designs below
I need technical advice
Haven't done something like this before.. I beat it down from quotations of 285k using 3/4 bars
They are 19 inclusive of toilet windows, kitachen and front with railings

Also to plaster in and out was 170k
workmanship and 80 bags of cement
These pple want to kill me
It lies on 11*18.5m

Kindly help with your technical opinion
I also need someone who can help with aluminum company located in ibadan.. Contact for aluminum supply

PRODUTIM1:
Advice is needed on factors to consider in buying tiles. Which type should I avoid in buying and how will I identify a good tiles?

twinskenny:


I plastered my three bed for 180k in n out including fixing of bulgary plus septic tank

DEXTROVERT:


I guess your location is lagos, PHC or SE.. Its located in ibadan
Albeit.. Thanks for your response

Rubbiish:

Was expecting this. Lol
Saying the architect surpervise the civil engr. doesn't mean he is going to be doing the civil engr job, but to ensure the civil engr goes with specification & doesn't alter his design due to structural challenges.
We saw what the architect did during d burj al arab hotel construction, so many things weren't possible with the structural engr initially, but with the insistence of the architect, they achieved it enventually. That is the kind of supervision i was talking about, not doing the engr job for him.

The architect is the head of the building team stem from the mother to baby thing, without the architect idea & thinking, what will the engr or builder work on? They conceive the idea, they start the process, birth the design, thereafter all other professionals come in. It doesn't always go down well with other professionals. But it is the truth when it comes to building.

DEXTROVERT:
My welder gave me estimate of 250k for 4 bedroom burglars
With the designs below
I need technical advice
Haven't done something like this before.. I beat it down from quotations of 285k using 3/4 bars
They are 19 inclusive of toilet windows, kitachen and front with railings

Also to plaster in and out was 170k
workmanship and 80 bags of cement
These pple want to kill me
It lies on 11*18.5m

Kindly help with your technical opinion
I also need someone who can help with aluminum company located in ibadan.. Contact for aluminum supply

DEXTROVERT:
My welder gave me estimate of 250k for 4 bedroom burglars
With the designs below
I need technical advice
Haven't done something like this before.. I beat it down from quotations of 285k using 3/4 bars
They are 19 inclusive of toilet windows, kitachen and front with railings

Also to plaster in and out was 170k
workmanship and 80 bags of cement
These pple want to kill me
It lies on 11*18.5m

Kindly help with your technical opinion
I also need someone who can help with aluminum company located in ibadan.. Contact for aluminum supply

adanny01:


One simple question for you.

A civil engineer basically does 2 things with an architectural building design, he analyzes then design the structural members.

Which one does the architect participates in, structural analysis or structural design?

The architect's output is the civil engineer's input, the civil engineer's output is either a failed or a safe design. There is no part of civil engineering that is subject to an architect's supervision.

i.e to supervise is to observe and direct the execution of (a task or activity).

In this case, an architect cannot direct structural analysis neither can he direct structural design. An architect determines the design input but cannot determine the output.

If a civil engr does not have the mental capacity to achieve a safe design on an architect's design just like in the case of burg el arab, the architect is at liberty to consult another civil engineer with the required mental capacity. It is not because one tried and failed and the other tried and succeeded that it means the architect ensured the design.

Lastly, this same situation exist in most professions, a Surgeon relies on an Anesthesiologist, both who are doctors. It doesn't say the surgeon supervises the anesthesiologist. The surgeon basically demands an output from the Anesthesiologist which if one cannot get him the desired output, he moves on to the next anesthesiologist until he gets the desired output or quit trying.

The burg el arab architect kept seeking for that output from different civil engineers till one gave him the right output without which his idea would have remained an idea. An architect doesnt need to supervise a structural design to get the right output.

bixton:


You're just trying to twist words.
Architect ; Input.
Civil/Structural Engineer; Output
The reverse is the case for both professionals if I'm to follow your line of explanation.

The architect's idea is generally an output and that's the essence of the 3D design of each structure.
That's where the role of both professionals comes to play in the burg el arab structure.
It's without the civil/structural engineer's input in the design that the architect's output becomes nothing but a dream.

adanny01:


Every professional job has an input and an output.

An architect cannot satisfy a client without an input. The architect's input is the questions he asks the client or the idea the client has for the building. This translates to an output as a building design.

The architect's building design is the structural engineers input. The structural engineers output is a safe structural design.

A foundation engineer's input is a safe structural design. His output is a safe foundation design.

A quantity surveyor's input is the all drawings including architectural, structural, foundation etc. The output is a BOQ.

The architect is not responsible for all these professional jobs and cannot supervise. He collects all the output to use in management of the project.

And so forth.

Now, the main reason why the architect cannot supervise the engineers is that he cannot be responsible for the safety of the building during construction and life span. Long after the building is put to use, the Engineers are still responsible for the structural integrity of the building. This is why an engineers design is his responsibility and [/b[b]]cannot be subjected to an architect's supervision.

bixton:


The supervision being said has nothing to do with the bold.
The architect supervises the engineer just to ensure that the desired output being a real life physical structure is achieveable. That's the supervision being talked about and not supervising the engineer on how to go about his/her structural designs.
That's the real life scenario.

adanny01:


The bolded is the problem. Achieveable means safe in this context.

How could one who is not a civil engineer ensure that the design is safe? How will he know? How will the architect know the design is safe? Even if it is not safe, the architect is not responsible for it.

In saner climes, the engineer signs an undertaking that it is safe and is responsible for the failure. The engineers signs the undertaking leveraging his life and career on that assurance. Why should the architect bother when its not his responsibility?

Let me ask you this question, with all the building collapse in Nigeria, have you ever heard where an architect is being investigated for culpability in the collapse especially if the architect is not the contractor?

3 people are responsible for a building failure, the client, engineers (foundation and structural) and the contractor (builder). An architect is never responsible for safety.

bixton:



Is that not applicable in Nigeria?
In saner climes they sign an undertaking. Undertakings are of various types.

A complete plan comes stamped by the relevant professionals who have given their input.
That stamp, seal, etc, etc, in one instance is an undertaking because designs done were done in accordance to approved known codes.
The other undertaking only prooves real professional knowledge and experience when done by whoever accepts the job.
That's why on every plan, there's a written clause that's absolves the designer from any damage done to the structure if he/she is not responsible for the actual building/supervision of the structure.

Let's not deviate from the main issue of "supervision" of a structure.
Who is responsible for building integrity is not the discussion.
Nigeria is an operational country and not a functional one.

adanny01:


When i say undertaking, i dont mean seal. I mean a "letter of undertaking" signed and sealed. This is different to signing and sealing of drawings.

This is a requirement for building permit in Abj.

bixton:


Like I said, there are various forms of undertakings.
Every state has their own regulations.

You just said, its a requirement for building permit.
A building permit is an approval and does not necessarily mean the building to be built will follow safe building procedures.

adanny01:


Bro, you cant be serious about the bolded. Do you know that even the vetting engineer is partly responsible for issuing building permit? Its obvious you dont understand the implications but as an engineer, i do. Because its not your responsibility as an architect you want to think its an ordinary letter. That ordinary letter will put several engineers in jail in an event of a building collapse.

You sound like an architect, building permits are responsibilities of engineers and you obviously think is just an ordinary letter. Please leave our profession to us. I know my responsibilities well.

Undertaking Definition: formal pledge or promise to do something

It is formal, and not to be taken lightly.

An undertaking is professional responsibility of safety without which there is no building permit. It is a legal document o!

Architect's dont commit their professional integrity to a building like an engineer does. Please give due, recognition to the engineers.