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bidex111:
If you have ever witnessed BHT style of attack: it takes balls to stand it. And it as not changed.

-attack the base in large numbers.
-atacking from all directions.
-the be based is aware of the inpending attack but the airforce probability of showing up is slim.
-once you start taking casualties forget it, you've lost your base.
-defending the base with heavy and slow vickers MBT, the MT-LB APC which is not reliable.

We are loosing the initiative, if something is not done in time.

-They surely don't appear from thin air, where is your mortar, why is your fire response not coordinated
-Blind spots in all direction including natural afforded cover spots that can aid boko haram supposed to be IEDed or mined
-When did we become the Europeans/US that expect Air power all the time, even if we do, we begin to lose air assets due to attrition/over use
-Then don't take casualties, this why base defense drills are done. One might say "but it's not a base", its not a holiday resort either. And no, to correct you, all is not lost even if most of your men have gunshot wounds
-they had tanks( except if it had no ammo) they could have easily used it to frustrate Boko coming from all sides. Look at the video, it was a plain field

Godforbid I make excuses for them, this is utter incompetence
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Litmus:
Beegeagle often suggest recalling retrenched COs of distinction

Well, that may only be possible if they serve in an advisory role at best.

Just as every federal University has a governing/advisory council.

oyinpr:
what ever happened to Nigerian army aviation? Its high time the army stopped depending solely on the air force for pits sack!! I thought they training about ten pilots..any idea about nigerian army aviation??

How many FOB's are scattered everywhere, some FOBs are about 200km from the closest "big base"

Imagine the cost in fuel and spares "Supporting" everyone everywhere.

Its a goddamn infantry war

Geronimoe:
This kind of situations will continue until you get people at the army HQ that are serious. The problem didn't start now but from the 1980's when the military was highly politicised. At that time people going into the military they believe that they will end up as ADC's or governors or attachés. That's why you see the children of big shots there (Ajebo no dey prepared for wetin him dey face now).
This 80's intake are the Co's and the officer cadre now.
They really don't know their right from left except to dey follow big yansh and drink beer.
Training at the Nigerian Depot is nothing to talk about. They teach you how to roll in the mud, "plant your head", march and salute and maybe take you into the Bush once to shoot AK47. After graduation you are sent to your unit, that's all, until when called upon again to shoot at unarmed citizens or to quell an ethno/religious crisis. The army is the worst hit, the problem involves both equipment and training. My anger is that these are peoples fathers, uncle's, brothers, nephews and nothing is being done? I could recall in the US when families hollared the government that their people were being sent to Iraq with humvees that don't have armor and that their body armor were not of high quality. Here na to siddon look.

We are crying but we aren't blind

-Depot is first " welcome to the Army", check out US boot camp and tell me the difference.
- After Depot, men/women are shared into their trade. Infantry go on to School of Infantry(NASI), Armor to School of Armor etc etc
Don't you ever bring such lies here again

Sizzorkay:
These cadets look depressed lol, what's going on, why the long faces , them be conscripts? (That was a joke)

They look depressed because after the recent news of tens of solders being killed day after day, they realized that they messed up in joining that death trap called the Nigerian Army. They are on their way to being more cannon fodder for the superior BH forces. What a waste.

numbered:
Funding - Only 27 APC's procured in the past 3 years, a battalion of 800 men requires about 80 APC's. TTP - A simple Listening Post would have forewarned the base about the BH attack. Designate one of the Vickers MBT together with 2 guntrucks and 40 soldiers to act as a mobile reserve to repel any surprise attack. Bunkers crewed with HMG's for infantry to fall back on if the base is overrun. I am not an expert so pardon any mistake in my writeup.

You're not very far off the mark brother

I begin to hear that their MGs jammed very often!!
And you know what NA on twitter has to show? NA 707 SF bde in Benue recovering a Dane gun!

Odunayaw:
When did we become the US/Europe boys that fight with the hoped of Air power, you might say we are fighting in our backyard but then do you remember NAF is on Op Green Safe right now?

What happened to NA having a contingency plan of Artillery support, How can more than a company worth of soldiers be in a location for more than 24 hours without setting up proper defence structure

Sir, I am beginning to hum the incompetence tune

Laughing at what you just spit......

"When did we become US /European boys. Perhaps they know the timely and effectiveness of air cover. You sit in the comfort of your room type what you don't know of.

Even the developed and advanced European/western army do not joke with air cover, the Air cover gives you a 3D cover. For the artellery you mentioned it is not as effective as air cover in terms of reach & range, there are other limiting factors with artellery support in COIN war unlike the conventional war we all know.

BHT style of attack is to bleed you dry of ammunition and take casualties till you abandon your post/base. You can't do without air cover in COIN operations.

From a very reliable source; a survival. Most of the APC and MBT are not reliable as I have said earlier on, a lot of things are wrong in persecuting these war.

@odunayaw talking about incompetence tune; you might want to reevaluate your statements. The NA soldiers are trying to some extent; g8ve them the right tools and I bet you we will start seeing the defference .

Sizzorkay:
These cadets look depressed lol, what's going on, why the long faces , them be conscripts? (That was a joke)

Let me answer you based on experience.

You've been in Academy since late August, straight from being a civilian waking up as you like to a "clown" under intense screaming, you jog, you are 'punished' etc etc, After 2months, you expect them to look like Drake about to receive a Grammy?

Furthermore, they are going straight from that matric to Camp Initial (their first camp in NDA), lemme tell you not one fellow that thinks of "hunger, zero rest, cold and training" would be able to afford a smile
NDA

Centrifude:
Remember the Toyota War? Chadian soldiers defeated Libyan soldiers who were better armed and Libyans had tanks and APCs but got their butts kicked out of chad.

Saudi Arabians with their world class gear are getting torn apart in Yemen.

It all comes down to the Soldier and if he has the training and the will to fight and win .

Henry is right though, they had been warned about the attack, but they seem to have done nothing about it.
They had more than enough equipment and ammo to push their way out or hold their position.

But anyway war is not for everyone, it takes a special kind of Man to fight one.

Dude am disappointed that you are saying these. All of these you mentioned are defferent types of war you just put together.

The Saudi- Yemen war; the Yemen separatist has always used the jungle type of war to attack the Saudis, just what the Vietnam North gong did to the United States military. Does that mean they are better than the United States military.

Chadian vs lybian conflict was not a full scale war
In all of the conflicts Gaddafi had to support few number of factions participating in the civil war, while Libya's opponents found the support of the French government, which intervened militarily to save the Chadian government in 1978, 1983 and 1986.

If it was a full scale: the Chadians can not survive the Lybians by any means.

bidex111:
Laughing at what you just spit......

"When did we become US /European boys. Perhaps they know the timely and effectiveness of air cover. You sit in the comfort of your room type what you don't know of.

Even the developed and advanced European/western army do not joke with air cover, the Air cover gives you a 3D cover. For the artellery you mentioned it is not as effective as air cover in terms of reach & range, there are other limiting factors with artellery support in COIN war unlike the conventional war we all know.

BHT style of attack is to bleed you dry of ammunition and take casualties till you abandon your post/base. You can't do without air cover in COIN operations.

From a very reliable source; a survival. Most of the APC and MBT are not reliable as I have said earlier on, a lot of things are wrong in persecuting these war.

@odunayaw talking about incompetence tune; you might want to reevaluate your statements. The NA soldiers are trying to some extent; give them the right tools and I bet you we will start seeing the difference .

Look, remove that batshit "you sit from the comfort of your room...". Are you joking now!
How many Nations can afford showing up In the air every time? Did you happily omit where I said NAF is on a campaign named Op green sweep.

No matter the helicopters, jets in the end COIN is an infantryman's business.

Now unto Artillery, forgot where I said Contingency plans? If at all push comes to shove and they surrender the base, Artillery would have a hard time ruining the base?

The South Africans and Rhodesians say different in their Bush Wars about Air Power! Air power is an offensive tool FIRST in COIN

Yes, The Vickers is a shitty tank, but answer me, can it shoot? If Yes couldn't it have been emplaced to provide static gunfire support? They had TWO!!

I believe the boys don't have all they need, but God forbid anyone justifies leaving the ones they have to those that are in need!

Henry240:
Does the video you watched depict the total number of insurgents that attacked the base?

The video shows a large number of insurgents. And the insurgent covering the whole show can't cover the whole attack at once. That means you can't just post four pictures and say these are the numbers of insurgents that attacked the post.

I think most of the folks on these forum have forgetten how the iraqi army were overran by isis with there tons of equipment supplied by the US. Time and time again we have seen bh employing same tactics and getting away with it. WHY?? Cause our boys are not taking proactive measures. Most often than not they most seem relaxed in there AOR waiting for an attack to happen, and repel.
No patrols, no recon..just sit and wait to be attacked.
Until our attack doctrines are changed, expect more of this attacks

#ISWAP in Sahel and West Africa will be no match for its al-Qaeda rival soon?
As new alliance among jihadi groups are been forged under al-Qaeda.

I predict a pre-emptive attack by AQ groups on #ISIS in Sahel and West Africa with defections of fighters might be the aim.

The earlier our military buckle up and the federal government spend on Defense or else we will see more of these

I think some of you guys missed Henry's point, which i kinda see.
Those BHT guys didn't appear out of thin air, and they surely didn't show up with futuristic weapons, it's those same Aks and RPGs with their gun trucks, and yet over 370 soldiers got whopped, that's the point.
What ever happened to being aware? 24/7 look outs on rotation etc. You don't get caught unaware, only a basterd soldier will ever say such thing.
Caught unaware? You were in a war zone, and that soldier made such excuse? No one said war was easy, but you chose to be there, it's a choice, and those not willing to do it shouldn't.
Running away coz you hear bullets coming from all sides isn't exactly what soldiers were taught, was it?
Perhaps some of these guys should take that whole zone as enemy territory and not relax as if it wasn't a war zone, you don't get caught unaware while in battle, that was an annoying excuse

Faculty14:
I think most of the folks on these forum have forgetten how the iraqi army were overran by isis with there tons of equipment supplied by the US. Time and time again we have seen bh employing same tactics and getting away with it. WHY?? Cause our boys are not taking proactive measures. Most often than not they most seem relaxed in there AOR waiting for an attack to happen, and repel.
No patrols, no recon..just sit and wait to be attacked.
Until our attack doctrines are changed, expect more of this attacks

Yet Some people would want us to believe it is EQUIPMENT related matters ONLY

it wasn't always like this

Odunayaw:
Look, remove that batshit "you sit from the comfort of your room...". Are you joking now!
How many Nations can afford showing up In the air every time? Did you happily omit where I said NAF is on a campaign named Op green sweep.

No matter the helicopters, jets in the end COIN is an infantryman's business.

Now unto Artillery, forgot where I said Contingency plans? If at all push comes to shove and they surrender the base, Artillery would have a hard time ruining the base?

The South Africans and Rhodesians say different in their Bush Wars about Air Power! Air power is an offensive tool FIRST in COIN

Yes, The Vickers is a shitty tank, but answer me, can it shoot? If Yes couldn't it have been emplaced to provide static gunfire support? They had TWO!!

I believe the boys don't have all they need, but God forbid anyone justifies leaving the ones they have to those that are in need!

Now how can you compare "The South Africans and Rhodesians bush war".. dude it's a defferent ball game.

The role of air support in COIN can't be overemphasised.

If you have read my previous post, those vickers MBT and tracked APC are not operational. They are just mere sitting ducks.

By now we should have retired all those vickers MBT, they are bleeped too slow and heavy to maneuver. If you have seen the T72 in operation you would never want to ride in those obsolete stuff called vickers MBT.

Talking of how many nation's can afford showing up in the air; that I can beat my chest that YES we can afford it but corruption wouldn't let us.

Finally @odunayaw I have had my own share of experience way back 2010 to mid 2014 during the Heat on the war at Kekeno, a border vilkage to Niger. So am not sitting in one corner of the room spitting shit.

Back then there was no MRAPS only light skinned APC to Leed your convoy, most of these APC, MT-LB, vickers MBT are sitting ducks.

You guys keep blaming soldiers on the ground, they are dying in numbers by the day. His there sacrifice not enough. The hierarchy of the Military needs to be shaked.

Odunayaw:
When did we become the US/Europe boys that fight with the hoped of Air power, you might say we are fighting in our backyard but then do you remember NAF is on Op Green Safe right now?

What happened to NA having a contingency plan of Artillery support, How can more than a company worth of soldiers be in a location for more than 24 hours without setting up proper defence structure

Sir, I am beginning to hum the incompetence tune

Oga sir, you don't have to hum it, say it loud as it should be. It is incompetence from high and below the military cadre.

walemoney007:
some of the guys on this thread see nothing wrong with this, I don't think buhari, osinbanjo, senators,governors or ministers allowance has ever been skipped.

I know of a WO2 that didn't receive 1 kobo for a full year, he is now paying back debt now.

some guys on this thread aint human beings,those politicians one day havent missed their salaries and what they did to that wo2 is bad even my dad up till now they havent paid him his own allowance over there

Odunayaw:
-They surely don't appear from thin air, where is your mortar, why is your fire response not coordinated
-Blind spots in all direction including natural afforded cover spots that can aid boko haram supposed to be IEDed or mined
-When did we become the Europeans/US that expect Air power all the time, even if we do, we begin to lose air assets due to attrition/over use
-Then don't take casualties, this why base defense drills are done. One might say "but it's not a base", its not a holiday resort either. And no, to correct you, all is not lost even if most of your men have gunshot wounds
-they had tanks( except if it had no ammo) they could have easily used it to frustrate Boko coming from all sides. Look at the video, it was a plain field

Godforbid I make excuses for them, this is utter incompetence
-

then why dont you go to the NE nd tell wounded,traumatized,sick,hungry and dead soldiers that they are incompetent and having holiday over there

Sizzorkay:
I think some of you guys missed Henry's point, which i kinda see.
Those BHT guys didn't appear out of thin air, and they surely didn't show up with futuristic weapons, it's those same Aks and RPGs with their gun trucks, and yet over 370 soldiers got whopped, that's the point.
What ever happened to being aware? 24/7 look outs on rotation etc. You don't get caught unaware, only a basterd soldier will ever say such thing.
Caught unaware? You were in a war zone, and that soldier made such excuse? No one said war was easy, but you chose to be there, it's a choice, and those not willing to do it shouldn't.
Running away coz you hear bullets coming from all sides isn't exactly what soldiers were taught, was it?
Perhaps some of these guys should take that whole zone as enemy territory and not relax as if it wasn't a war zone, you don't get caught unaware while in battle, that was an annoying excuse

So you think the soldiers on duty/guard at that point of time where not doing there job

Or they told you, they where not properly rotated, most of you guys here watch a lot war movies and play combat videos games, these war sometimes is not a textbook thing.

People like you can't kill a rat, yet you have the balls to call someone "BASTERD SOLDIER". Please make your points in a civilised manner, tnx.

Odunayaw:
Let me answer you based on experience.

You've been in Academy since late August, straight from being a civilian waking up as you like to a "clown" under intense screaming, you jog, you are 'punished' etc etc, After 2months, you expect them to look like Drake about to receive a Grammy?

Furthermore, they are going straight from that matric to Camp Initial (their first camp in NDA), lemme tell you not one fellow that thinks of "hunger, zero rest, cold and training" would be able to afford a smile
NDA

some blike who send me come here sef

Odunayaw:
How many FOB's are scattered everywhere, some FOBs are about 200km from the closest "big base"

Imagine the cost in fuel and spares "Supporting" everyone everywhere.

Its a goddamn infantry war

but you cant do without air cover in COIN warfare

Odunayaw:
We are crying but we aren't blind

-Depot is first " welcome to the Army", check out US boot camp and tell me the difference.
- After Depot, men/women are shared into their trade. Infantry go on to School of Infantry(NASI), Armor to School of Armor etc etc
Don't you ever bring such lies here again

Wondering who ever said for the rank and file, Depot isn't the first place. You just rushed to type " Don't you ever bring such lies here again", na you no dey lie na.
For you saying that I'm lying doesn't change anything,just know that. Go read again please.

bidex111:
Now how can you compare "The South Africans and Rhodesians bush war".. dude it's a defferent ball game.

The role of air support in COIN can't be overemphasised.

If you have read my previous post, those vickers MBT and tracked APC are not operational. They are just mere sitting ducks.

By now we should have retired all those vickers MBT, they are bleeped too slow and heavy to maneuver. If you have seen the T72 in operation you would never want to ride in those obsolete stuff called vickers MBT.

Talking of how many nation's can afford showing up in the air; that I can beat my chest that YES we can afford it but corruption wouldn't let us.

Finally @odunayaw I have had my own share of experience way back 2010 to mid 2014 during the Heat on the war at Kekeno, a border vilkage to Niger. So am not sitting in one corner of the room spitting shit.

Back then there was no MRAPS only light skinned APC to Leed your convoy, most of these APC, MT-LB, vickers MBT are sitting ducks.

You guys keep blaming soldiers on the ground, they are dying in numbers by the day. His there sacrifice not enough. The hierarchy of the Military needs to be shaked.

The Bushwars was mostly a guerilla war YES or NO

Air Support in COIN is first offensive, if you have a differing opinion bring it.

You never said the MBTs were "not operational". I thought you were talking of obsolescence which I countered

No Sir,we cannot afford it corruption or not. It is not only about putting aircrafts in air, there are a mix of other factors.

You were in the NE just the same was thousands were. Did you fight? Were you a soldier?
Of what use is MRAP in base defense?

Are the Hierarchy not soldiers? Who do we blame for bad situational awareness? and retreating in disarray?

This is why we don't move forward we quickly say " oh its the President, no its the COAS". They are all in the same trousers and need slim fitting

Geronimoe:
Wondering who ever said for the rank and file, Depot isn't the first place. You just rushed to type " Don't you ever bring such lies here again", na you no dey lie na.
For you saying that I'm lying doesn't change anything,just know that. Go read again please.

Training at the Nigerian Depot is nothing to talk about. They teach you how to roll in the mud, "plant your head", march and salute and maybe take you into the Bush once to shoot AK47. After graduation you are sent to your unit, that's all, until when called upon again to shoot at unarmed citizens or to quell an ethno/religious crisis.

Depot is for Generals? Are you trying to be funny.

Next time, don't bring beer parlor fables here

You must know me very well to know that i can't kill a rat.
Can you read? Because if you can, then from what was posted earlier, a soldier admitted being caught unaware.
So you saw nothing wrong with that? What happened to constant patrol of your immediate area, few soldiers on watch at all times for any slight movement etc. Sure I'm no expert, and never said war was easy, I'm saying if i were a soldier, my number 1 goal would be to live to see another day, that means taking caution and making sure the environment i wanna relax in, is safe enough and have defensive perimeter set.
But what do i know.
And what movies are you talking about dude? This is common sense, and i wasn't talking about rotation in terms of deployment
Rotation means having troops on guard at all times, regardless where you are, even if it's done in 4hr shifts, while the rest of the soldiers rest up, clean their equipment etc.
Like someone said here, some of the soldiers weren't even properly dressed when they were gunned down, which means, as that soldier said, they were caught with their pants down. But hey, let's blame lack of weapons for it.
If that narrative help you sleep better at night, good for you.
You gotta understand that my reaction was done in anger and pain, that we lost so many soldiers, how many more will die before we get our sh!t together
Even if you have useless commanders, take the initiative and protect where you are camping out, no matter for how long, it's your life, ain't it?

bidex111:
So you think the soldiers on duty/guard at that point of time where not doing there job

Or they told you, they where not properly rotated, most of you guys here watch a lot war movies and play combat videos games, these war sometimes is not a textbook thing.

People like you can't kill a rat, yet you have the balls to call someone "BASTERD SOLDIER". Please make your points in a civilised manner, tnx.

bidex111:
If you have ever witnessed BHT style of attack: it takes balls to stand it. And it as not changed.

-attack the base in large numbers.
-atacking from all directions.
-the be based is aware of the inpending attack but the airforce probability of showing up is slim.
-once you start taking casualties forget it, you've lost your base.
-defending the base with heavy and slow vickers MBT, the MT-LB APC which is not reliable.

We are loosing the initiative, if something is not done in time.

that was how they attacked my dad and his team in the bush at night with heavy fire in 2015 my dad got lucky that he was slim and hide beside a tree if not for GOD i would have lost my dad and some idiot on this trend keep call the soldiers incompetent

oyinpr:
but you cant do without air cover in COIN warfare

While ON THE OFFENSIVE!

Or don't you know, BH probe, flee when the Air calvary arrives and returns to fight as soon as they are gone?

Sizzorkay:
You must know me very well to know that i can't kill a rat.
Can you read? Because if you can, then from what was posted earlier, a soldier admitted being caught unaware.
So you saw nothing wrong with that?
And what movies are you talking about dude? This is common sense, and i wasn't talking about rotation in terms of deployment, like i said, can you read?
Rotation means having troops on guard at all times, regardless where you are, even if it's done in 4hr shifts, while the rest of the soldiers rest up, clean their equipment etc.
Like someone said here, some of the soldiers weren't even properly dressed when they were gun down, which means, as that soldier said, they were caught with their pants down. But hey, let's blame lack of weapons for it.
If that narrative help you sleep better at night, good for you.
You gotta understand that my reaction was done in anger and pain, that we lost so many soldiers, it could have been prevented.
Even if you have useless commanders, take the initiative and protect where you are camping out, no matter for how long, it's your life, ain't it?

They come on here like they are the only ones that have people fighting and dying

in the space of two years I had to tell 3 of my friends girlfriend/fiancee to move on as their men are no more

Someone remind me when the military will go on offensive mode like the last govt did just before election.
Tired of this defensive, mop up, clearing nonsense routine that our Army has been reduced to.

Please can anyone share the link to the video of the recent attack...? thanks.