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| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 11:14am On Nov 29, 2018 |
Come out of darkness. Come to Jesus. No matter how terrible your sins are, Jesus will accept you... The Bible says....Even if your sins are red as Scarlet, that it will be white as snow.... There is much evil in the world... You don't know when death will come.. Come to Jesus and have life eternal... Nobody can promise you rest after death... Jesus did. Jesus said .....As many that hear the voice of the son of man, even though they are dead, they shall rise again . God bless you. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 11:26am On Nov 29, 2018 |
Spazolas:Then why are you still a Muslim? |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Freh(m): 1:33pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22:Jesus Christ!!! This makes perfect sense... nice research |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 2:37pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
DOES THIS MAKE ISLAM AND MUHAMMAD REASONABLE TO YOU ? Allah SWT says: وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا "And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished." (QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37) * Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B THIS IS ENOUGH FOR ANYONE SEEKING THE TRUTH TO KNOW THAT ISLAM IS SATANIC , because HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THAT THIS VERSE WAS NOT FROM GOD BUT FROM MUHAMMAD TO FOOL THE SPIRITUAL IGNORANTS. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 4:44pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:Now I know this dude may be annoying but someone should please answer his question if you know how, I'd like to benefit from this too. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 4:48pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
Sorry enilove but what's wrong with that verse? |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 5:12pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
AryEmber:Ha. Madam, haba na? How am I annoying? Let me teach you....I got a response from a guy here... 1. Copy that bracket that appears at the start of any post....ie [quote author = originakalokalo post......]2. Paste it at the beginning of any post you want to break ..... 3. Place[/quote]at the end of the post you want to break.... 4. Then insert your comments after that... Hope it helps? Let me know if you need further clarification. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by LordReed(m): 5:21pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
Islam is just as stupid as Christianity, there is no reasonableness or rationality to either. In fact I dare say Islam is the more irrational of the 2. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by adelee777: 5:33pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
drips8:Christianity is confusing with many denominations that argue about their differences? So, what will you call a religion with fewer denominations, but which bomb one another regularly because of their differences? Peaceful? |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 5:36pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:Thank you and the person who helped. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 8:42pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
AryEmber:Madam, pls tell me how I have been annoying. Maybe I'd adjust.... We are not supposed to fight... Thanks. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 9:10pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
AryEmber:You wish to know the wrong in this verse : Allah SWT says: وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا "And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any DISCOMFORT concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished." (QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37) THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WRONG WTH THIS VERSE : 1) It is wrong to take another person's wife , that is evil and coveteousness : Exodus 20:17 KJV Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. 2) It is a sin to sleep with your son's wife : Leviticus 18:15 KJV Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness. 3) It is a sin to divorce your wife or husband : Mark 10:11-12 KJV And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. [12] And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. 4) It is a sin to marry a divorcee : Matthew 5:32 KJV But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. 5) The reason given by the verse is that , " so that other muslims would not have doubt in marrying their adopted son's wives . But after , allah cancelled the issue of adoption , which automatically makes this verse 37 useless : Allah SWT says: مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍ مِّنْ رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلٰكِنْ رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّۦنَ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيمًا "Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing." (QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 40) Volume 7, Book 62, Number 25: Sahih Bukhari : Narrated 'Aisha: Abu Hudhaifa bin 'Utba bin Rabi'a bin Abdi Shams who had witnessed the battle of Badr along with the Prophet adopted Salim as his son, to whom he married his niece, Hind bint Al-Walid bin 'Utba bin Rabi'a; and Salim was the freed slave of an Ansar woman, just as the Prophet had adopted Zaid as his son. It was the custom in the Pre-lslamic Period that if somebody adopted a boy, the people would call him the son of the adoptive father and he would be the latter's heir. But when Allah revealed the Divine Verses: 'Call them by (the names of) their fathers . . . your freed-slaves,' (33.5) the adopted persons were called by their fathers' names. The one whose father was not known, would be regarded as a Maula and your brother in religion. Later on Sahla bint Suhail bin 'Amr Al-Quraishi Al-'Amiri--and she was the wife of Abu- Hudhaifa bin 'Utba--came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We used to consider Salim as our (adopted) son, and now Allah has revealed what you know (regarding adopted sons)." The sub-narrator then mentioned the rest of the narration. IT IS A SHAME FOR SOMEONE TO DESCEND SO LOW TO THE EXTENT OF MARRYING YOUR SON'S WIFE , TALKLESS OF A PROPHET. IS THAT NOT A SATANIC PROPHET OF ADULTERY , WHO DOES NOT CARE AS LONG AS SEX AND WOMEN ARE CONCERNED ? |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 9:45pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:You can't adjust, it's in you and your belief. Don't take me too serious, we're not fighting. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 9:49pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
AryEmber:*relived* OK ma'am. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 10:20pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
enilove:To begin with, You accused the prophet of taking another's wife but the verse you quote clearly said Zayd was no longer in need of her. Now, Allah (SWT) said we should know and let our adopted children know that we aren't their parents which is not like this in your religion but he forbids muslims from alcoholic drinks, Would it be right to call your religion satanic because yours permits it? No! To the issue of divorce, Christianity allows this only on the ground of fornication but that's your own religion. In Islam, divorce is permitted for other concrete reasons. Should Zayd's wife die without companion because her husband divorced her? You quote verses from the bible but some good people in the bible committed similar sins, is this not wrong? The prophet didn't marry his son's wife because Allah made it clear that Zayd is not his. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by drips8(m): 10:36pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
Anas09:But catholicism is the cradle of Christianity |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by drips8(m): 10:37pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
adelee777:Yes, both Christianity and Islam are confusing, but Christianity seems to be the most complicated. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 11:12pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
AryEmber:Look at the verse critically : Allah SWT says: وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا "And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished." (QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37) Firstly , This revelation was b4 Zaid even divorced Zainab. Muhammad had been getting revelations b4 the divorcement. Secondly , Why could muhammad not resolve the dispute instead marrying her ? Thirdly , was it the same God that decreed that no man should divorce his wife, except on the ground of fornication , that also told muhammad that divorce is okay? Forthly , Was it the same God that said anyone who marries a divorcee has committed adultry that commanded muhammad to marry a divorcee ? Fifthly , can't you sense a fowl play in this revelation? When the person receiving a revelation is the only one benefiting from the revelation , one needs to look critically into such a revelation. Lastly , why abolishing the adopted son's culture , when the purpose why allah made muhammad to marry zainab was for other muslims to copy , according to the quran ? GOD IS NOT A GOD OF CONFUSION , HIS STANDARD IS THE SAME AND HE IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS. On the issue of alcohol , it is not a sin to drink alcohol , but it is a sin to be drunk. Matthew 15:11,16-19 KJV Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. [16] And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? [17] Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? [18] But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. [19] For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: YOU SAID SOME GOOD PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE COMMITTED SUCH SIN , CAN YOU PLS NAME THEM ? |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Nobody: 12:37am On Nov 30, 2018 |
Godisreal55: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I feel bad for the fact that you wasted your time typing nonsense you have little knowledge of I guess that's how religious bigots are Whatever you type won't change anybody's opinion on the matter This is just a way to feel good about your religion. It will now shock you guys that God doesn't exist and all this nonsense you put yourselves through in the name of religion were all for naught |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by McMichel: 1:07am On Nov 30, 2018 |
Godisreal55:My dear, you merely lifted passages from the bible without contextualising them but distorting them. This act is highly atrocious and outrageous. It strongly betrays your ignorance of the holy scriptures. No sound Christian will just pick a single verse of the bible and make a doctrine out of it because just as we normally say: scripture interprets scripture. Second, The God of the Bible is a just God. Justice is an essential attribute of God. If he doesn't punish sin proportionately then he's not true to himself and ceases to be God. Rom 3: 21-26. I don't want to go deeper than this because you will never understand it since you don't have the Spirit of God yet but the spirit of the world- 1Cor 2:12-15 but let it be known to you today that God punished the sins of the human race from Adam till date in Christ Jesus and salvation is found in no-one else for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved- Acts 4:12. Thirdly, Prophet Muhammad himself who was known as a prophet with the sword confirmed that Jesus was sinless. How can it be that the one (Prophet Muhammad) who went about on a killing spree and confiscation of properties under the guise of Jihad be the one to bring peace between God and Man? It is well. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 8:56am On Nov 30, 2018 |
McMichel:I hope the op will read your post and ponder on the questions. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 11:17am On Nov 30, 2018 |
[/quote]You confuse Jehovah/Jesus with Allah. I told you that islam permits divorce with other reasons other than fornication. The prophet (SAW) feared what people would say of his marriage to Zayd's and didn't want to marry her but Allah commanded him, telling him that as opposed to what the people believe, adopted children should not be refer to as ones children. You accused the prophet of not trying to fix Zayd's marriage but you were not there, you can't say if he did or not. Zayd himself divorced his wife, no one snatched her from him. Like I said, your religion permit alcohol, I don't think anyone should call It satanic because of that. Tamar slept with her father-in- law in the bible, Lot's daughters did the same with their fathers. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 11:39am On Nov 30, 2018 |
AryEmber:Is like you don't understand that this world is full of the deceit of the devil. Can you pls answer this question: Is the God of the Christians / Jews the same God of the Muslims ? |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 12:01pm On Nov 30, 2018 |
enilove:An Outsider may say yes but from our two religion, they're different. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 12:19pm On Nov 30, 2018 |
AryEmber:You are right. But Islam says otherwise. Can God lie? That is why Islam is satanic . It links itself with the God of the Bible but its modes of worship and beliefs are the same with the idol worshippers. Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675: Sahih Bukhari : Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said: "Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).' |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 1:04pm On Nov 30, 2018 |
enilove:I don't get it? Islam says what? You people love saying islam copyed christianity but where's the prove. What we have is a story from two different perspective, how do you know who copyed who? I don't know the book you quoted, I don't understand it either. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 1:14pm On Nov 30, 2018 |
AryEmber:Haba madam ..... The Bible (new testament) was available 600 years before Islam. The Bible (old testament) was available more than 800-2000 before Islam. We can know who copied who. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 2:08pm On Nov 30, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:Before Prophet Muhammmad (SAW) or before people start worshiping Allah |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 2:43pm On Nov 30, 2018 |
AryEmber:I don't know where to begin . Christianity had been existing for about 570 years b4 muhammad said he got a revelation from an angel Gabriel. Christians were living in Saudi Arabia , as at then, with the Pagans, and were known to be worshippers of one God . That is , the Arab Christians had copies of the Bible written in Arabic. The muslims make use of the Quran and the hadiths to establish their faith. The hadiths are numerous but the most accepted and authentic are the Sahih Buhkari &Sahih Muslim . Wherever there is sharia laws , these books along with the history of Muhammad form the basis of their jurisdictions. The book I quoted from is the Bukhari . The hadith comprises of the hearsays of people who knew about what happened during the time of Muhammad. Islam has 2 primary sources. The Quran and the hadiths. The hadith is about the teachings , words , actions and accounts of the daily practices of muhammad ( sunna ) as narrated by his companions . As a muslim , you need to know and read these books , so as not to be decieved by anyone. An evidence to show Islam copied christianity : Volume 1, Book 11, Number 578: Sahih Bukhari : Narrated Ibn 'Umar: When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people SUGGESTED the use of a bell like the Christians, others PROPOSED a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but 'Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Apostle ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by Originakalokalo(m): 3:02pm On Nov 30, 2018 |
enilove:Interestingly interesting. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by AryEmber(f): 3:15pm On Nov 30, 2018 |
enilove:As a muslim, I need only to read my Quran and the authetic hadiths. The prophet claimed to have received revelations, I don't think you have evidence to prove he was lying. |
| Re: Why Islam Is Far Far More Reasonable And Nearer To The Truth Than Christianity by enilove(m): 4:54pm On Nov 30, 2018 |
AryEmber:The evidence is clear . Muhammad claimed the God of the Bible was his God , but his actions , religion , commandments and name of his god are clearly different from the God of the Bible. |
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