proffemi:


What about if you try to educate yourself just a little bit? What s/he said is true.

Evidence supersedes all arguments.

Post the pics of the rocket and satellite on NL.

Warship:



ASUU should tell the Government to make it compulsory for all big companies to be connected to all Nigerian Universities so as help upgrade the labs/workshops.

Entitlement mentality of Africans is sickening, big company pay multiple tax already yet you want them to fund education of kids of indiscipline promiscuous men that gives birth to 5 kids on 100k salary with a jobless housewife just to educate the same kids that wants to become yahoos and oloshos?. If you've ever done business in an unfavorable condition like Nigeria you won't propose another tax else job losses is inevitable.

Warship:

You and ASUU do not still understand the difference between collecting money from industries and connecting industries to universities.

Eg

Tell Nigerian Breweries that, Unilag labs/workshops are under it's care and will be given tax breaks every 10years and you will see how upgraded Unilag labs/workshops will become.

I'm trying to be polite, but you're working my last nerve by continuing to imply that you understand this problem more than "me and ASUU".
Dude, you don't. Your solutions and the underlying thinking so far are actually quite reductive.

E.g., read the post just above mine...

Warship:

Evidence supersedes all arguments.
Post the pics of the rocket and satellite on NL.

If you think we're both lying, I can't help you. If you're truly curious and want to learn about the project, Google is your friend.

Can somebody tell me what is really going on in this country...?

How can a final year student be like "LAST CARD" and ASUU Strike will issue a "PICK TWO"?

FOR WHAT NAH

jmaine:


Abeg shift go one side Abeg. Recently dons in FUTA collaborated to launch a satellite into space and here you are asking filthy questions.

You are only here to support your Rouge politicians in power and nothing else.

Dnt b deceived, call a spade a spade.
90% of Nigerian federal uinversity lecturers are lazy and corrupt. They dnt even have d students interest at heart. They only clamour for their selfish interest even @ d detriment of d students.
U better dnt b deceived, d University lectures ar well paid,but their insatiable hunger f wealth makes dem collect sorting (bribe) frm students. Some of them only cm to classes ones in a blue moon. They dnt deserve wat they r asking for, they should go and sit down.

proffemi:


I'm trying to be polite, but you're working my last nerve by continuing to imply that you understand this problem more than "me and ASUU".
Dude, you don't. Your solutions and the underlying thinking so far are actually quite reductive.

E.g., read the post just above mine...

Take Note

Every nation with the best universities, are always privately supported.


Public finance are not infinite/unlimited and rarely sufficient to take care of every sector of a society.

Warship:


Take Note
Every nation with the best universities, are always privately supported.
Public finance are not infinite/unlimited and rarely sufficient to take care of every sector of a society.

Since you know the part I highlighted above, I believe you also know what students pay in those nations. Are you saying ASUU should stop fighting the FG and let students can pay more? If so, you will suddenly find that we are on the same side.

If we want functional public tertiary education, someone must pay.

Na total war be dis o

proffemi:


Since you know the part I highlighted above, I believe you also know what students pay in those nations. Are you saying ASUU should stop fighting the FG and let students can pay more? If so, you will suddenly find that we are on the same side.

If we want functional public tertiary education, someone must pay.

The universities need more support but take note that the direct involvement of the private sector is the solution and not the government.


What ASUU should ask the government is to fuse the private sector with the universities in such a way that the research works from the upgraded labs/workshops will be commercialized to the benefit of the private sector, universities and government.


Get the point if you want to solve the problem.


Government do not have unlimited resources as you think.

Warship:



You and ASUU do not still understand the difference between collecting money from industries and connecting industries to universities.


Eg

Tell Nigerian Breweries that, Unilag labs/workshops are under it's care and will be given tax breaks every 10years and you will see how upgraded Unilag labs/workshops will become.

you are the one that do not understand ASUU demand. ASUU is asking that the University should be upgraded to international standard, after which they can now collaborate with industries for research and development. it was agreed that this upgrad will be gradual for a period of 5 years. This is because ASUU understand that FG does not have what the funds to do the upgrade ones. It is after this upgrade that the University can now become fully autonomous, linking up with industries and fg projects and thus generating more funds without the need to increase school fees to get quality education

Warship:


Post evidence of the rocket & satellite.

Pls, always verify your news.

Ignorant folks everywhere berating ASUU. The news below was last year..

Stop supporting the Fraudulent politicians to destroy Tertiary education in Nigeria just like public primary and secondary schools.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/ssouth-west/232976-futa-partners-successfully-launch-satellite-into-space.html

ADUBA1:


you are the one that do not understand ASUU demand. ASUU is asking that the University should be upgraded to international standard, after which they can now collaborate with industries for research and development. it was agreed that this upgrad will be gradual for a period of 5 years. This is because ASUU understand that FG does not have what the funds to do the upgrade ones. It is after this upgrade that the University can now become fully autonomous, linking up with industries and fg projects and thus generating more funds without the need to increase school fees to get quality education

Let me help you out to see things clearly.

How much do FG generate.?

How much do each sector of Nigeria requires.?

When you have done the calculation, you will realize that, only the private sector can solve this problem if fused with the universities to help upgrade the labs/workshops and then the research works commercialized to generate more money to repay the private sector who then pay taxes to government as well as further support the universities.

jmaine:


Ignorant folks everywhere berating ASUU. The news below was last year..

Stop supporting the Fraudulent politicians to destroy Tertiary education in Nigeria just like public primary and secondary schools.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/ssouth-west/232976-futa-partners-successfully-launch-satellite-into-space.html

People like you are the reason why the world laugh at the black people.


The satellite and rocket launched weren't built by FUTA.


Tell FUTA to build a mini rocket and satellite before taking them serious.


What they did overseas, was to observe the launching procedure.

proffemi:


Sometimes I blame ASUU when I read posts like this. One solution to this problem has always been to jerk up school fees. Someone has to fund the system, and if you folks don't want us to make government do it, then go ahead and pick up the slack.

Funny how you guys don't realize that government has already gotten away with murder at the secondary level. Today, public secondary schools are increasingly an option for only the poor. If you want qualitative secondary education for your kids, you know what to do. No strike, no tantrums, no name-calling or demonizing. If you're poor, you take your kids to podunk college, where their odds of ever seeing the 4 walls of a federal university become almost zero.

Someone wants to destroy public universities in a similar way. It's either government, or fools who don't realize what's at stake, or parents who don't want to pay for top education. ASUU won't let that happen (and you lot better hope ASUU doesn't just throw in the towel in disgust).

The irony is this: whatever happens, the lecturers are the ones who will suffer the least.

And, lest I forget, yeah, we're ready for no-work-no-pay. Bring it on.

I went to a Federal government secondary school, FGCL to be precise. And the standard of education was and is still very good with quality teachers and OK infrastructure.
Public secondary education is largely run by the states and that's where the mess is compared to private schools.

If govt jacks up the fees and makes it unaffordable to the public just to improve quality, then what differentiates govt from private schools?

My problem with ASUU is...
Are Universities the only institutions that require funding in Nigeria?
Why are you guys always in a hurry to embark on strike actions? Always comparing yourselves with National Assembly members and their salaries.
We know they earn crazy wages. But if all institutions including health, transport went on strike for similar reasons, how will you survive?

If we fund universities the way ASUU wants it, what happens to health, roads, rails, power, housings, ports, etc.? So Nigerians including the lecturers should die on bad roads?
Nigeria is a developing country so ASUU must be reasonable and less arrogant in making funding demands.
Let's all focus on good governance and electing less corrupt people into office, as this is the only way to gradually build all sectors of the country.

Warship:

The universities need more support but take note that the direct involvement of the private sector is the solution and not the government.

What ASUU should ask the government is to fuse the private sector with the universities in such a way that the research works from the upgraded labs/workshops will be commercialized to the benefit of the private sector, universities and government.

You're preaching to the choir.

What if I told you that personally I have secured the support of multiple corporate entities on projects targeting students? Now extrapolate and guess what the picture looks like university-wide. It still isn't enough. Until we find a way to completely reboot the system in terms of personnel and facilities, we can't consistently offer the companies anything of value. That's the blunt truth. That rebooting is already underway (previous strike actions have been tremendously beneficial; TETFUND in particular has been a fantastic asset, warts and all) but we're not there yet.

Government do not have unlimited resources as you think.

I never implied this. Don't confuse me with someone else.

olujastro:

I went to a Federal government secondary school, FGCL to be precise. And the standard of education was and is still very good with quality teachers and OK infrastructure.
Public secondary education is largely run by the states and that's where the mess is compared to private schools.

If govt jacks up the fees and makes it unaffordable to the public just to improve quality, then what differentiates govt from private schools?

My problem with ASUU is...
Are Universities the only institutions that require funding in Nigeria?
Why are you guys always in a hurry to embark on strike actions? Always comparing yourselves with National Assembly members and their salaries.
We know they earn crazy wages. But if all institutions including health, transport went on strike for similar reasons, how will you survive?

If we fund universities the way ASUU wants it, what happens to health, roads, rails, power, housings, ports, etc.? So Nigerians including the lecturers should die on bad roads?
Nigeria is a developing country so ASUU must be reasonable and less arrogant in making funding demands.
Let's all focus on good governance and electing less corrupt people into office, as this is the only way to gradually build all sectors of the country.

proffemi, read this above from another member of NL in order to understand that FG has limited funds for all the sectors of Nigeria.

proffemi:


You're preaching to the choir.

What if I told you that personally I have secured the support of multiple corporate entities on projects targeting students? Now extrapolate and guess what the picture looks like university-wide. It still isn't enough. Until we find a way to completely reboot the system in terms of personnel and facilities, we can't consistently offer the companies anything of value. That's the blunt truth. That rebooting is already underway (previous strike actions have been tremendously beneficial; TETFUND in particular has been a fantastic asset, warts and all) but we're not there yet.


I never implied this. Don't confuse me with someone else.

OK

Tell us where the funds will be gotten to reboot the system.

interesting

I leave this quote for you:

In a reaction to the memo, the Chairman of University of Ibadan chapter of ASUU, Deji Omole, described the federal government as shameless for owing lecturers seven years of unpaid, earned academic allowances. He said despite the debt, the government still wants lecturers to continue to work while the presidency and the National Assembly ‘feed fat’ on the wealth of the nation.

Auladimeji:
*Nigerians love soft landing, They won't work but they want pay,who does that?*�� *That's greediness*
This is where the minister of education is need,no University staff should receive any pay this November

Warship:



Let me help you out to see things clearly.

How much do FG generate.?

How much do each sector of Nigeria requires.?

When you have done the calculation, you will realize that, only the private sector can solve this problem if fused with the universities to help upgrade the labs/workshops and then the research works commercialized to generate more money to repay the private sector who then pay taxes to government as well as further support the universities.

olujastro, this is what I have been trying to enlighten our people which you also reechoed above.

olujastro:

I went to a Federal government secondary school, FGCL to be precise. And the standard of education was and is still very good with quality teachers and OK infrastructure.
Public secondary education is largely run by the states and that's where the mess is compared to private schools.

My problem with ASUU is...
Are Universities the only institutions that require funding in Nigeria?
Why are you guys always in a hurry to embark on strike actions? Always comparing yourselves with National Assembly members and their salaries.
We know they earn crazy wages. But if all institutions including health, transport went on strike for similar reasons, how will you survive?

If we fund universities the way ASUU wants it, what happens to health, roads, rails, power, housings, ports, etc.? So Nigerians including the lecturers should die on bad roads?
Nigeria is a developing country so ASUU must be reasonable and less arrogant in making funding demands.
Let's all focus on good governance and electing less corrupt people into office, as this is the only way to gradually build all sectors of the country.

Ah, you want answers? Let's break it down so you can figure out the answers yourself.

1. Do you know that there is a strong link between the quality of education (especially science and tech; especially tertiary education) and national development?
2. All sectors are important, but the blunt truth is, a sensible society know they are not equally important. If you have to sort all the sectors you listed above in order of importance to national development, how would you do it? Hint: examples abound globally.
3. Do you think the universities, in their current state, can contribute meaningfully to national development?
4. Do you agree that the universities need to be better funded?

Now, the big question;

5. Where should this funding come from.

By the time you work through the above exercise, I think you will realize that the only responsible course for ASUU is to fight for improved funding. Whether it is the government they should be fighting or the parents/students though, that is a totally different discussion.

Warship:



People like you are the reason why the world laugh at the black people.


The satellite and rocket launched weren't built by FUTA.


Tell FUTA to build a mini rocket and satellite before taking them serious.


What they did overseas, was to observe the launching procedure.

You are a very sad fellow solely here to launder the image of this failed and lifeless administration.

The satellite launch was a collaborative effort with FUTA and you dare try to water it down.

What infrastructures has the Nigerian government invested in the Universities or in Nigeria in general to facilitate easy launch of rockets/satellites into space?

See! Just carry your APC barge with your chest and stop insulting our intelligence with biased sycophantic sound bites.
Cheers.

Warship:


OK
Tell us where the funds will be gotten to reboot the system.

ASUU thinks government should foot the bill.
I think the burden should be shared by government and students/their sponsors.

Warship:

proffemi, read this above from another member of NL in order to understand that FG has limited funds for all the sectors of Nigeria.

You too, read my response to him.

jmaine:


You are a very sad fellow solely here to launder the image of this failed and lifeless administration.

The satellite launch was a collaborative effort with FUTA and you dare try to water it down.

What infrastructures has the Nigerian government invested in the Universities or in Nigeria in general to facilitate easy launch of rockets/satellites into space?

See! Just carry your APC barge with your chest and stop insulting our intelligence with biased sycophantic sound bites.
Cheers.

So, a Biafran like me is now an APC member according to you.?


OK, no problem.

proffemi:


ASUU thinks government should foot the bill.
I think the burden should be shared by government and students/their sponsors.

The government and students have been overstretched leaving the private sector as the only possible solution if promised tax breaks.

Warship:
The government and students have been overstretched leaving the private sector as the only possible solution if promised tax breaks.

The above paints an unflattering picture of your comprehension of this problem.
You think a student of, say engineering, who is paying $600 for an entire 5 years of engineering education is overstretched?!!!
Guy, don't fall my hand nao.

What of implementing no pay no work?

proffemi:


Ah, you want answers? Let's break it down so you can figure out the answers yourself.

1. Do you know that there is a strong link between the quality of education (especially science and tech; especially tertiary education) and national development?
2. All sectors are important, but the blunt truth is, a sensible society know they are not equally important. If you have to sort all the sectors you listed above in order of importance to national development, how would you do it? Hint: examples abound globally.
3. Do you think the universities, in their current state, can contribute meaningfully to national development?
4. Do you agree that the universities need to be better funded?

Now, the big question;

5. Where should this funding come from.

By the time you work through the above exercise, I think you will realize that the only responsible course for ASUU is to fight for improved funding. Whether it is the government they should be fighting or the parents/students though, that is a totally different discussion.

Your response only reechoed the arrogance typical of ASUU members. You only succeeded in emphasising the importance of university education which is known the world over.

To show you the arrogance of ASUU, educational institutions at the primary and secondary levels don't embark on strike actions, unlike ASUU that has equated itself to a demigod body in Nigeria.

As if funding will 100% guarantee quality in the same Nigeria where some VCs have been charged for looting of public funds meant for improving university education.

You guys simply wanted to cash in on NLC planned strike then and the upcoming elections to arm-twist the govt.

I was a victim of your needless strike actions for 5yrs turned almost 6yrs at the University. I stand with government on this.
Go back to work or go look for another "perfectly funded sector" to work with.

Warship:



So, a Biafran like me is now an APC member according to you.?


OK, no problem.

Na by so...

semyman:

My simplest solution to the hardened ASUU members is to declare their absence as voluntary withdrawal of service after conducting a recruitment process for their replacement even from Ghana and securing a court order

When Abacha hired Indian's the amount they were demanding was 3 times what ASUU was demanding as at then, he had to succumb to ASUU demands after one year strike.

proffemi:


The above paints an unflattering picture of your comprehension of this problem.
You think a student of, say engineering, who is paying $600 for an entire 5 years of engineering education is overstretched?!!!
Guy, don't fall my hand nao.

How much is minimum wage.?

18,500 multiples 60 months will give you N1.1m

$600 × N350= N210,000 for just a child and do not forget that we have a maximum of 4 child policy which will make it N840,000 for a poor civil servant.


What about feeding, clothing etc.?



That is the big picture you aren't seeing.