AMANPOUR:Oby Ezekwesili, welcome to the program.

OBY EZEKWESILI, NIGERIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you.

AMANPOUR: Would I be right in saying that yours is a real long shot candidacy, you know, one of the smaller parties, the main established

parties are kind of duking it out between themselves? What do you really expect to achieve by running for president?

EZEKWESILI: I hope to disrupt the politics of failure, the politics of bad governance and bad leadership that has only produced this small result.

Such that today, Nigeria as the world capital of extreme poverty, certainly unacceptable. That's what I intend to do, to disrupt this and build a

nation that is based on prosperity, stability, cohesion and equality of opportunity for our people.

AMANPOUR: OK. So, let's break this down because we have a graphic that shows that Nigeria has overtaken India as the world's greatest

concentration of extreme poverty, 87 million Nigerians live in extreme poverty and it's growing by six people per minute.

I guess what everybody will want to know is this, Nigeria is known for rampant corruption. I mean, unbelievable amounts of corruption. It is

also a really potentially rich state with all your oil, with all your natural resources. I mean, how is it possible that 87 million Nigerians

live at the poverty line or below?

EZEKWESILI: It is the -- it is what happens when there is a bad governance. Bad governance is so endemic when there are no expectations of

results from those that govern society. And therefore, there is no demand for accountability. And if and when there is demand for accountability,

there's no incentive on the part of the people who govern to produce results.

I was one of the co-founders of Transparency International and we know that corruption is a tax on the poor and we already know that there are ways to

tackle corruption. To prevent opportunities for corruption you reduce corruption. And part of what my agenda is, is to deregulate the economy in

the kind of way that public officials don't have too much presence in the economy, to be able to utilize it for personal gain.

And also, to compliment actions on the prevention side, which is system that punishes corruption every time it happens. Because then, you create a

deterrence against that very malignant cancerous action that has kept our country under developed, less modern at anything that we could have

imagined at independence.

AMANPOUR: Yes. You know, it is extraordinary because all those things you say make us sit back and take notice, particularly because we see so much

Nigerian money coming out of Nigeria, spent in the West on high-end real estate, on all sorts of, you know, playground of the rich and the powerful.

And I guess I'm trying to figure out, other people have complained as well, including the current president about corruption, they've all pledged to

somehow wipe it out. How will you take on these vested interests, these people who have, I guess, a reason to keep the system and the status quo?

EZEKWESILI: Well, the society knows me for having taken on them before. I was the one that walked on fixing of our public procurement system. It was

chaotic until I entered government many years ago, (INAUDIBLE) ago. And I effected the reform of the public procurement system and drew initiative

that was called due process, as a result of that work that fix up public procurement that used to be the honeypot of the politicians, the country

began to call me "Madam Due Process."

So the politicians know me. I am not a stranger to them at all. What I did in extractive industries transparency initiative is well-known,

globally. So I am not one who is going to be fazed by the strength of our political class. I think that the lack of courage on the part of our

society to stare down at these ones who have given us bad governance is now over. It is time to confront it and I believe that I am the candidate of

the Nigerian people.

We are not -- I am not running alone, as we say, we are all running, all of us that want a different country, a new direction for our country are

running together. This is a contest between the established class of politicians who have not delivered anything meaningful in governance and

the rest of us, I simply am the candidate who is providing the direction for the rest of society to take on this group.

AMANPOUR: Now, as you mentioned, of course, you've been recognized for many of your efforts not just Transparency International, which got you a

Nobel Peace prize nomination but also you spearheaded the Bring Back Our Girls Movement when Boko Haram stole all those hundreds of Nigerian school

girls.

Tell me a little bit about how you came to do that? Your experience in public policy in the public sector in Nigeria.

EZEKWESILI: Well, I was -- I was saddened, I mean sad is such an underwhelming word to describe how I felt that my society was stealing the

children of the poor who went to school. Girls who went to school.

When I was Minister of Education, one of my reform areas had been in getting more girls to go to school especially in modern Nigeria where for

every five boys in school only one girl would be in school. And so when these girls went to school and were abducted. What I expected from my

government was immediate swift response, but that did not happen and I was completely aghast at it and I decided that on the basis of my shared

humanity with those girls that I was going to be a voice for them until they all come back.

As far as I am concerned, we have no credentials on which to ask girls to go to school around the world until the rest of the world and all of us

especially our government bring the remaining 112 Chibok girls back, as well as Leah Sharibu as well as Alice, a humanitarian aid worker who was

abducted because of meeting the needs of those who are displaced in our country.

AMANPOUR: You bring up another major issue, it's not just humanitarian, but its security. Your country is in a state of war with Boko Haram. Do

you have a plan for dealing with that aspect at the source, at the root? There's terrorism and there's war there.

EZEKWESILI: I think that the number one thing is we had a research at the World Bank that showed that in environments of conflicts, the most

important thing to do is to get that community thinking about jobs again, providing economic livelihoods for the people because that then dries up

the sauces of young people who have no stake in society and who are willing to unleash violence on their own society, so broadening security to be

human security is a major strategy for me and the second bit is to completely overhaul our security system and to ensure that there is

performance, accountability that is tied to results adequacy the top end is to make a lot out of intelligence.

Today's cutting edge technology means that we can be pre-emptive, we can be proactive. We can be preventive and that means we must walk with our

neighbors. We must walk with the rest of the world that can offer us support in every kind of definition of cutting edge expensive technology

that will enable us to have greater surveillance of our country and people.

AMANPOUR: All the candidates running including yourself are pro-American. You were educated at Harvard for a period of time and it's the second

richest country in Africa. What kind of relationship would you expect to have with the United States, and particularly, with President Trump who has

his own views about Africa, the transactional relationship and also his own -- you've heard what he said about a lot of African countries. I don't

need dot repeat it.

EZEKWESILI: I wouldn't be dignifying any of the pejorative words that have been used by the President of America. What I would simply do is show to

the President of America that is a contemporary in the leadership of countries.

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EZEKWESILI: His country and me leading my own country and what I would try to show clearly to him is that it is of interest to America that he should

maintain the global norms that enable America to be at the leading economy in the world as we watch the trend of the global economy, it is very clear

that even the US needs to continue to do even more with the rest of the world in order to maintain a reasonable level of economic prosperity and

trajectory that it has been known for.

Our country, Nigeria is a leading country in the world. We definitely have a lot of contributions that are notable around the world and we will do

more. Africa is going to be the center of our strategy but, our relationship with the rest of the world is going to be on the basis of its

strategy to be a productive country, a competitive country and a country that actually stakes a claim to the 21st Century.

AMANPOUR: We have a picture of yourself as a child with your father. And he once told you not to dignify a whole load of nonsense. What did he

mean? Tell me about that relationshipo?

EZEKWESILI: It was an amazing relationship. My dad believed that I could do anything and spoke it into me so often that I grew up not allowing

anybody to invalidate me because as I would say to them, my dad already validated me. So there's no words, there's not a thing that you say, there

is no opposition to me that can hold me back. My dad said I can do anything I choose to do.

AMANPOUR: So that's really adorable. It's really important as well. What is it like as a woman to come up through these political ranks in a male

dominated society and try to fight for the biggest prize?

EZEKWESILI: Leadership is gender neutral. What matters is that I come into these with character, competence and capacity. I can -- I am the

better candidate than the men that are in this race, even they would tell you that, so I'm simply going to keep on with the issues that I want to

solve. I'm a problem solver. The country knows me to be that. I am ready to do this. I always say to people who say, well, you're not a politician.

I say to them, that's fine. I know one thing, I know one thing and that one thing that I know is how to care for people. That's what governance

should be about, caring for your people. I bring that into this race alongside my character, competence and capacity. So I am really the

winning candidate in this race.

AMANPOUR: Well, you make a very strong case. Oby Ezekwesili, thank you so much for joining me.

EZEKWESILI: Thank you very much, Christiane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6APER0TM4pQ

If we need to move forward as a nation, I believe and am looking forward to a day where the two major parties as at that time, will be presently young intellectual.
There is nothing wrong in Major part A presently candidates like Akin Adesina and Amina Mohammed and party B , oby Ezekwesili and Emir sanusi
Hmmmm I forgot the politicians at the house of representatives and Senate Won't allow them to be successful especially when they noticed it will work against them.

This lady sha Nigeria a country with incredible potentials and incredible problems.

The politicians keep shooting themselves in the leg, madam are you not part of PDP during there reign?

If Nigeria was a saner clime,Obi would have been a better candidate ahead of Buhari or Atiku

Oby is a Good candidiate with good intentions, although i would go for a donald duke over her, but why i like oby is that she was busy building her popularity and public acceptance years ago with the BBOG campaign/protest and all that, but that aside oby still doesnt have enough good public perception and popularity to win elections in Nigeria, were winning an election relies heavily on this factors!! I advise her not to feel bad if she looses next year but she should go and keep improving her public perception and popularity, who knows if atiku fails to deliver, then come 2023 we can comfortably pick her without fear that she might floop!!

Christiane Amanpour again?

Two days to presidential election of 2015 in Nigeria, Amanpour invited Sanusi Lamido to CNN where both campaigned for Buhari; Amanpour was even putting the right anti-Jonathan phrases into Sanusi's mouth.

Amanpour played ugly roles that brought Buhari to power in Nigeria in 2015.

On point ma

This woman should stop disgracing herself up and down. She has no plans on how to make the country better that's why she continues to talk about pdp and apc. The people she's talking about are not even giving her any attention

APC's favourite tool..stop crying ma, it's just politics.

Where you not part of them madam Oby?

FACT !!! ANYONE YOU SEE ONLINE OR OFFLINE CANVASSING FOR BUHARI OR ATIKU, ASK THEM THE REASON WHY THEY'RE SUPPORTING HIM, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT IS NOT BASED ON ANY CREDIBLE REASON. THEY'RE PAID PROPAGANDIST OR SIMPLY IGNORANT. EDUCATE THEM !!!

PDP AND APC HAVE COLLECTIVELY RUINED NIGERIA FOR 20 YEARS. THEY'RE BASICALLY ONE HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF, THAT'S WHY TODAY SOMEONE CAN BE IN PDP AND TOMORROW JOIN APC. THEY'VE NO DISTINCT IDEOLOGY. THEIR COMMON IDEOLOGY IS TO RUIN NIGERIA FOR THE MASSES, WHILE THEIR KIDS GET QUALITY LIFE ABROAD.

IT'S TIME FOR NIGERIAN YOUTHS TO WAKE UP, SEIZE THE NEXT 4 YEARS OF THEIR LIVES AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO HAS SOMETHING CREDIBLE TO OFFER. SOMEONE WHO'S NOT SHARING N5000 TO BUY YOUR NEXT 4 YEARS !!! SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T ENRICH HIMSELF WITH PUBLIC FUNDS

THANK GOD THERE ARE CANDIDATE LIKE SOWORE, MOGHALU, DUROTOYE AND CO. DO YOUR RESEARCH, WHAT DOES EACH HAS TO OFFER AND DECIDE WHICH ONE OF THEM YOU'LL GIVE YOUR VOTE. SIMPLE. E NO HARD PASS THAT.

NIGERIA IS NOT APC + PDP.

I really wish somebody of Trump's character would one day contest election under any of the two major political parties in Nigeria. Campaign period would never be this dull. Straight win.

You are PDP meaning you have failed too

True

Neither you nor pdp or apc can save the inevitable discontinuation of this corrupt entity!

Meaning u have also failed us

You have failed too, you came into this as a character alright an evil one, did you forget to mention how APC used you like Yahoo+ to bring down GEJ with Bring Back Our Girls demonic campaign. Something we know the state Governor set ip by sending them to school on holiday.
If I ever see this lady live ......
Aunty biko SHARP!!

PDP HAS...
We Igbos are ready to boot them out forever in 2019.

and she was an integral part of PDP goverment where she served as a Minister//Madam if PDP failed that means u have failed too

TechCapon:
This woman should stop disgracing herself up and down. She has no plans on how to make the country better that's why she continues to talk about pdp and apc. The people she's talking about are not even giving her any attention

What plans do the rest have biko?

Dreambeat:
If Nigeria was a saner clime,Obi would have been a better candidate ahead of Buhari or Atiku

Maybe.

Oby a former minister under the drunken leadership of mr ineffectual buffoon.

Oby shld put all the problems and blames on PDP who paddles the canoe of the nation for good 16years without any achievements other than looting the nation into coma, stupor and recession.

The problem with Buhari is that he hasn’t be able to solve most of the humongous problems he met.

Buhari has dragged Nigeria to an all-time low

Oby has spoken but the idiotic Nigerians who will die before 2019 if they plan to vote for either of Atiku or Buhari won't listen

Omeokachie:
Buhari has dragged Nigeria to an all-time low

FACT!

Correct woman of valour!

Omeokachie:
Buhari has dragged Nigeria to an all-time low

Yes, under him we are now known as the world poverty capital of the world and fell 12 places under Transparency International annual rating for corruption

Establishment establishment, are you not part of the larger establishment?

You served under PDP.
so, what's the fuse about?
All na wash

Hmmm

this woman is a major 2023 election contender, I can't wait till zoning moves south ward