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alBHAGDADI:
We are all going to die in sin because the Bible says "all have sinned". We are all sinners as long as we are in the flesh. But that Christian will make hevean because his spirit has been saved a long time ago.

What of revelations where some sins were list and God said these sinners will go to the lake of fire.
I dont remember the chapter or verse..

djon78:
They did not go to heaven. They were in bosom of Abraham just like dead Lazarus Jesus talked about in rich man and Lazarus

Alright. If people who did good deeds and died before Jesus came were in the bosom of Abraham, what about those who did good deeds and are excused by their conscience of having done right but died without having knowledge or believing in Jesus christ, are they also in the bosom of Abraham?

Secondly, where is this bosom of Abraham? In heaven or on earth or in hell?

Sorry brother but James 2:14-26 has destroyed your entire epistle. Even Christ and His apostles warned of folks like you who will go about spreading the lie that you can sin with impunity and enter the kingdom of heaven. Oga, read and be enlightened.

Ps: We Christians should have a full knowledge of the word of God for it is our armour against devil inspired teachings planted in the mind of ignorance. If anyone says whatever is contrary to the Lord you and quotes incomplete scripture as their proof, their are countless Bible versions online that you can use to table out the the truth. You don't answer the devil with mere words as they are empty before him you rebuke with prayer and answer with scripture. May the good Lord Jehovah bless us all!

Read and be enlightened!!!!!


FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD. James 2:14-26

14 "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect?

23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.

24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

VictorRomanov:
Alright. If people who did good deeds and died before Jesus came were in the bosom of Abraham, what about those who did good deeds and are excused by their conscience of having done right but died without having knowledge or believing in Jesus christ, are they also in the bosom of Abraham?

Secondly, where is this bosom of Abraham? In heaven or on earth or in hell?

What did Jesus tell the thief crucified by his side, 'today you will be with me in Paradise'

Paradise was a beautiful place the dead who were righteous, who walked in the fear of God, went when they died before Jesus resurrected.
The Jews called it the bosom of Abraham.


On the resurrection morning when Mary saw Jesus the Lord told her not to touch him because he has not yet presented himself to the Father God.


Also note that the scriptures said that Jesus was crucified before the foundation of the world
God had already planned redemption before the world began

alBHAGDADI:
I came across a thread on Nairaland where people debated the case of hellfire. Many wondered why God will send a liar or a pencil thief to the same fiery furnace as a mass murderer like Osama Bin Laden. To them, this is unfair and doesn't show God to be a just God. They say earthly judges don't even do such because they give sentences according to the degree of offence. They say "how come a loving God can't do the same but lumps every sinner with the same punishment?".

What do we know as sin? Lying, stealing, formication, adultery, murder etc. But do you know that those sins are not what actually send people to hell fire? If they are what send people to hell fire, then all humanity will end up there. But you say "what about the Christians?". They will end up there as well because they also commit the same sins.


Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Can anyone show me that Christian who hasn't committed sin in the past one week? You can never find such a person, only a liar who thinks he's perfect. Now, since we are all sinners and are deserving of hell fire, why do Christians say they won't end up there but will be in heaven? Aren't we all committing the same sins?

As Christians, we have been made righteous by one man, the man Jesus Christ. That man has saved us from our unrighteousness and has taken upon himself our sins.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The simple thing we did to receive this free gift of salvation unto eternal life was our believe in Jesus Christ who was given by God to save mankind from their sins

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Mathew 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

That single act of us believing in his word has kept us away from the condemnation of hell fire. We have eternal life because of Jesus Christ.

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

We became sons of God because we believed in his name. And as sons of God, our Father's home in heaven is our home.


John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Yes, we may sin from time to time because we are in the flesh which is weak, but our spirit is saved for all eternity. Those sins cannot make us condemned or sent to hell fire, because Jesus said nothing can ever make him cast out all those who have come to him.

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Nothing can make us lose that salvation. Nothing we do can ever separate us from God. Even if we want to leave God, he will not allow us to go because he's a mighty saviour. He is not like earthly Banks were whatever is saved can still get stolen or missing. Even thieves can hack banks and still your money. With God, you are totally safe and nothing, not even sin can pluck you out of his hands.

John 10:27-30
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Verse 29 says no man is able to pluck anyone Jesus saves out of his hand. This means you are forever saved and can't pluck yourself out no matter what you do. He's stronger than you.

You might say "does that mean I can go about sinning anyhow I like because heaven is guaranteed?" You can only go about sinning if you want to keep getting chastised and scourged by God. Remember he loves you because Jesus has given you the power to be his son.

Hebrews 12:6-11
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


No matter how much God chastise and scourges you on earth, your salvation forever remains secured. Heaven is certain for you because Jesus already saved you. Can we all see how easy it is to receive Jesus? Isn't this the Good News we haven't heard in a while, that no matter what, we will make heaven if only we believe in Jesus Christ? Believe in Jesus is as simple as drinking a glass of water. It is as simple as smiling and having fun. Why would anyone now think it is difficult to the point that he now embraces the torment of hell fire for all eternity? Don't you know that rejection of Jesus Christ means condemnation for all eternity in the fiery furnace?

John 3:18
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Now, some people might want to play smart by saying they believe in Jesus. But do they know what believe in Jesus entails? They think believing in Jesus which gets you to heaven also entails their own personal works of righteousness. That's why they are led astray by the false gospel that says once you've accepted Jesus Christ, you have to keep going to church, stop smoking, avoid fornication and adultery etc. Don't get me wrong, these things are good but are not what get you to heaven. They don't even play an inch because Jesus Christ paid it all, he did it all on the across all by himself. Moreover, our works of righteousness are filthy rags before God.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags

Don't tell me you are banking on filthy rags to get you to heaven, a holy and clean place where God lives. Relying on your works makes you no different from the people that built the Tower of Babel. They thought their handwork could get them to heaven, that's why they built the Tower in an attempt to reach heaven. You are also no different from Cain who relied on his work of tilling the soil to produce what he will sacrifice to God, unlike his brother Abel who relied on the blood of the lamb alone, which is a representation of Jesus Christ. Mixing your works of righteousness with believe in Jesus also makes you no different from a Muslim who will say he also believes on Jesus, yet he mixes it with Islam.

Jesus paid it all and to him we owe it all. He gave us the gift of eternal life in salvation. It is nothing we ever did but simple believe in him.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Verse 9 says works doesn't save us. This means if you do all manner of good works without having faith in Jesus, you will still end up in hell fire. Otherwise, Rich men will be able to buy their way into heaven. All they just have to do is use their money for charity works like Bill Gates does. Your works don't get you into heaven, Jesus does. Not that works are not good, but works without faith in Jesus is dead works. If you have faith in Jesus and do good works, you will be rewarded here on Earth and also in heaven.

If you don't do works at all, you will still make heaven as long as you hold faith in Jesus Christ which is in itself righteousness.

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Friends, the horror of hell fire is real. Don't let anyone deceive you. I was deceived by Jehovah's Witnesses that hell fire doesn't exist. I held that false believe for years until I got saved and my eyes became open to the truth. If hell fire is not real, then what is Jesus saving you from? As seen above, it is easy to accept Jesus and live with him. Please do that now to secure your eternity. May God touch your heart. Amen.

IG: InstaAlbhagdadi

Thank you. The Lord bless you.

djon78:
What did Jesus tell the thief crucified by his side, 'today you will be with me in Paradise'

Paradise was a beautiful place the dead who were righteous, who walked in the fear of God, went when they died before Jesus resurrected.
The Jews called it the bosom of Abraham.


On the resurrection morning when Mary saw Jesus the Lord told her not to touch him because he has not yet presented himself to the Father God.


Also note that the scriptures said that Jesus was crucified before the foundation of the world
God had already planned redemption before the world began

Wow! This is new. So was the paradise on earth, in heaven or close to hell such that The Richman could communicate with Lazarus from there?

nwanyionitsha:
What of revelations where some sins were list and God said these sinners will go to the lake of fire.
I dont remember the chapter or verse..

All humans are guilty of those sins. Or can you show me that Christian who is sinless?

Jesus Christ has paid for those sins, that's why Christians can make heaven, not unbelievers.

VictorRomanov:
Wow! This is new. So was the paradise on earth, in heaven or close to hell such that The Richman could communicate with Lazarus from there?

Well the day you die you will understand that man is a spirit, and that our physical human body is greatly limited. But the spirit part of man is unlimited, not constrained by any limitations which gave the Richman the ability to see Lazarus.


And I believe I have explained enough. You can research on all I have said.
And I pray you make the important decision that has eternal consequences by following Jesus, surrendering to his Lordship of your life.
That is the only thing that will save you beyond this life.

Thanks

alBHAGDADI:
All humans are guilty of those sins. Or can you show me that Christian who is sinless?

Jesus Christ has paid for those sins, that's why Christians can make heaven, not unbelievers.

Revelations21:8.

djon78:
Well the day you die you will understand that man is a spirit, and that our physical human body is greatly limited. But the spirit part of man is unlimited, not constrained by any limitations which gave the Richman the ability to see Lazarus.


And I believe I have explained enough. You can research on all I have said.
And I pray you make the important decision that has eternal consequences by following Jesus, surrendering to his Lordship of your life.
That is the only thing that will save you beyond this life.

Thanks

Thanks for your time and your attempt at answering many of the questions I raised. The truth is that when something is true is it not difficult to explain and understand. If I have to wait until i die discover somethings it might be too late.

alBHAGDADI:
I came across a thread on Nairaland where people debated the case of hellfire. Many wondered why God will send a liar or a pencil thief to the same fiery furnace as a mass murderer like Osama Bin Laden. To them, this is unfair and doesn't show God to be a just God. They say earthly judges don't even do such because they give sentences according to the degree of offence. They say "how come a loving God can't do the same but lumps every sinner with the same punishment?".

What do we know as sin? Lying, stealing, formication, adultery, murder etc. But do you know that those sins are not what actually send people to hell fire? If they are what send people to hell fire, then all humanity will end up there. But you say "what about the Christians?". They will end up there as well because they also commit the same sins.


Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Can anyone show me that Christian who hasn't committed sin in the past one week? You can never find such a person, only a liar who thinks he's perfect. Now, since we are all sinners and are deserving of hell fire, why do Christians say they won't end up there but will be in heaven? Aren't we all committing the same sins?

As Christians, we have been made righteous by one man, the man Jesus Christ. That man has saved us from our unrighteousness and has taken upon himself our sins.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The simple thing we did to receive this free gift of salvation unto eternal life was our believe in Jesus Christ who was given by God to save mankind from their sins

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Mathew 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

That single act of us believing in his word has kept us away from the condemnation of hell fire. We have eternal life because of Jesus Christ.

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

We became sons of God because we believed in his name. And as sons of God, our Father's home in heaven is our home.


John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Yes, we may sin from time to time because we are in the flesh which is weak, but our spirit is saved for all eternity. Those sins cannot make us condemned or sent to hell fire, because Jesus said nothing can ever make him cast out all those who have come to him.

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Nothing can make us lose that salvation. Nothing we do can ever separate us from God. Even if we want to leave God, he will not allow us to go because he's a mighty saviour. He is not like earthly Banks were whatever is saved can still get stolen or missing. Even thieves can hack banks and still your money. With God, you are totally safe and nothing, not even sin can pluck you out of his hands.

John 10:27-30
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Verse 29 says no man is able to pluck anyone Jesus saves out of his hand. This means you are forever saved and can't pluck yourself out no matter what you do. He's stronger than you.

You might say "does that mean I can go about sinning anyhow I like because heaven is guaranteed?" You can only go about sinning if you want to keep getting chastised and scourged by God. Remember he loves you because Jesus has given you the power to be his son.

Hebrews 12:6-11
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


No matter how much God chastise and scourges you on earth, your salvation forever remains secured. Heaven is certain for you because Jesus already saved you. Can we all see how easy it is to receive Jesus? Isn't this the Good News we haven't heard in a while, that no matter what, we will make heaven if only we believe in Jesus Christ? Believe in Jesus is as simple as drinking a glass of water. It is as simple as smiling and having fun. Why would anyone now think it is difficult to the point that he now embraces the torment of hell fire for all eternity? Don't you know that rejection of Jesus Christ means condemnation for all eternity in the fiery furnace?

John 3:18
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Now, some people might want to play smart by saying they believe in Jesus. But do they know what believe in Jesus entails? They think believing in Jesus which gets you to heaven also entails their own personal works of righteousness. That's why they are led astray by the false gospel that says once you've accepted Jesus Christ, you have to keep going to church, stop smoking, avoid fornication and adultery etc. Don't get me wrong, these things are good but are not what get you to heaven. They don't even play an inch because Jesus Christ paid it all, he did it all on the across all by himself. Moreover, our works of righteousness are filthy rags before God.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags

Don't tell me you are banking on filthy rags to get you to heaven, a holy and clean place where God lives. Relying on your works makes you no different from the people that built the Tower of Babel. They thought their handwork could get them to heaven, that's why they built the Tower in an attempt to reach heaven. You are also no different from Cain who relied on his work of tilling the soil to produce what he will sacrifice to God, unlike his brother Abel who relied on the blood of the lamb alone, which is a representation of Jesus Christ. Mixing your works of righteousness with believe in Jesus also makes you no different from a Muslim who will say he also believes on Jesus, yet he mixes it with Islam.

Jesus paid it all and to him we owe it all. He gave us the gift of eternal life in salvation. It is nothing we ever did but simple believe in him.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Verse 9 says works doesn't save us. This means if you do all manner of good works without having faith in Jesus, you will still end up in hell fire. Otherwise, Rich men will be able to buy their way into heaven. All they just have to do is use their money for charity works like Bill Gates does. Your works don't get you into heaven, Jesus does. Not that works are not good, but works without faith in Jesus is dead works. If you have faith in Jesus and do good works, you will be rewarded here on Earth and also in heaven.

If you don't do works at all, you will still make heaven as long as you hold faith in Jesus Christ which is in itself righteousness.

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Friends, the horror of hell fire is real. Don't let anyone deceive you. I was deceived by Jehovah's Witnesses that hell fire doesn't exist. I held that false believe for years until I got saved and my eyes became open to the truth. If hell fire is not real, then what is Jesus saving you from? As seen above, it is easy to accept Jesus and live with him. Please do that now to secure your eternity. May God touch your heart. Amen.

IG: InstaAlbhagdadi

So what condemned those who existed before Jesus or those who did not get to know about Jesus or the Gospel?

owoleola:
So what condemned those who existed before Jesus or those who did not get to know about Jesus or the Gospel?

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

alBHAGDADI:
Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

So it's not just unbelief afterall.

alBHAGDADI:
Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Now you can see that you shall be judged of your sins. Can you now see that believing Jesus died for sins doesn't work? If it does, why then did romans 2:12 says if you sin in law, you shall be judged by law. Jesus has established that he never come to abolish any law. If think you will not be questioned of your sin simply by believing in Jesus death on the cross, you are on your on.

My candid advice to you christians is, open your mind wide. Just agree that the hands of men have gotten into the bible and it's marred with so much contradictions and false prophecies. These are undeniable facts.
Before Jesus, was there any mention of three God heads making one God?
During Jesus time, did he preach trinity? after him also (the advent of the comforter: Prophet Muhammad) the message too was one God. Where then did dieties beside the one true God come from?
Please don't fail the first and most important of all commandments (mark 12:28-29: One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" 29. Jesus replied, "The most important commandment is this: 'Listen, O Israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD.) That was said by Jesus himself. Will you deny what Jesus proclaim and start dwelling on Paul's statements? Think about it. If Jesus was declaring "one and only" God, did he said he is that God? Thknk about it. Truth is hard and bitter

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