LordReed:
Nope

CAPSLOCKED:


YES. GOD CAN NEVER BE WRONG. AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE BIBLE, IT'S TRUE AND JUST.

Dantedasz:
Jesus Christ of the New Testament is never once reported to condemn slavery. Not once.
I suppose this means Christianity supports slavery. Slave masters in the United States regularly quoted the Christian Bible to justify enslaving the Negroes.

OpenYourEyes1:


We and our elites sold our people into slavery. Oyibo enslaved their own people through indentured servitude. The descendants of indenture servants have forgotten their past. It's time American blacks do same thing too to heal their communities.

DoctorAlien:
There they go again with this old and worn out "slavery in the Bible" argument. That slavery is recorded in the Bible does not mean that God is pleased with it. In fact God's will is that every unnatural class barriers separating between human beings be erased. But slavery is only one of the sad realities of the Fall. However, when we mention slavery in the Bible, there is a whole lot about it that people don't know. You unbelievers capitalize on the fact whenever slavery is mentioned today, the first thing that comes to mind is the gruesome and barbaric transatlantic slavery, to peddle false arguments. Do you even know that in the Bible you have instances of people submitting themselves to become servants to others because of maybe poverty or something else?

But the biggest rebuttal to your baseless arguments is the fact that God in His infinite mercy and love always made it clear right from time that "slaves" are to be treated with dignity. Since abolishing servant-master relationships is unrealistic and may not be for the overall good in this fallen world, God gave clear principles that should guide servant-master relationships. God commanded that the weekly rest from labour is also for manservants and maidservants. God commanded that "slaves" should not be maltreated, reminding the Israelites that they themselves were once slaves in Egypt. The love and care of God for slaves have always been manifested in the way He and His faithful servants dealt with slaves in the Bible.

So find another argument please.

LordReed:


Which of the 10 commandments or the beatitudes talks about slavery?

frosbel2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojj5Trzw_G0

DoctorAlien:


How does one of the commandments or beatitudes talking about slavery affect my argument?

LordReed:


The god couldn't command its followers to abandon slavery neither does its purported son. Slavery was obviously of no priority to this god.

DoctorAlien:


Did you even read my first post on this thread before posting this? Because this retort of yours was expected and answered in that post. You unbelievers are very predictable.

Unsurprisingly lacking in meaningful arguments.

LordReed:


LoL! I read what you wrote which is why I mentioned the beatitudes. Only in the old testament does the god care to tell people, not how to live without slaves but to acquire more and treat the ones who are Israelites better.

Then the supposedly more compassionate son shows up thousands of years latter and completely forgets to even mention slavery not to talk of discussing the subject but to you those are reflections of love and mercy. What tripe. LMFAO!

frosbel2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojj5Trzw_G0

DoctorAlien:
I doubt you read my post, with this "not how to live without slaves" comment of yours. Anyway you have to prove that God told the Israelites to treat Israelite slaves "better" than the ones who are not Israelites.



First off, we Christians don't claim that Christ is more compassionate than His Father. Nor is the Father more compassionate than the son. The three divine Beings in the Godhead are filled with infinite compassion.

Maybe Christ did not open the topic of slaves in the beatitudes because it was well understood, just like God's people understand it today, and needed no overflogging?

Yet, we the children of God, when we read the beatitudes, still see the general principles of love and mercy that should guide relationships between humans in the words of Christ.

I'm not surprised you cannot see them.

LordReed:


Exodus 21 English Standard Version (ESV)

21 “Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. 2 When you buy a Hebrew slave,[a] he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.

Leviticus 25:44-46 English Standard Version (ESV)
44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.


The good treatment was reserved for Hebrew slaves while the ones bought from strangers are basically property.

So the god could not categorically tell them stop slavery but had time to tell them not to eat shrimp.

They understood what? That slavery was OK? Even Paul doesn't tell masters to free their slaves but here you are telling me they understood, they understood to continue slavery right?[quotes] Rants

[quote]Edit: Yes Jesus was supposed to be more compassionate because he supposedly came to show the love of god as opposed to the constant judgement god made in the old testament. You can deny it all you want but it is clear from your book of fairytales.

DoctorAlien:


Here is one thing about slavery in the Bible that perhaps isn't immediately apparent whenever the topic is raised: the fact that a set of people who were made slaves to Israelites were the Canaanites. (That is apart from the fact that at the time of Leviticus, some people of foreign origin were dwelling with the Israelites. Some of them even came up with Israel out of Egypt.) Now who are these Canaanites? They are wicked people that should have been totally wiped out of existence, because God reckoned that their cup is full. God commanded the Israelites to totally wipe out these wicked people and take their land for a possession. Later the Israelites would fail to do this, and the Canaanites would dwell "round about" them, (Lev. 25:44) and even with them. People like the Gibeonites would later deceive their way into dwelling permanently among the Israelites, though strangers.

Coming to Lev. 25:44-46, I believe that God did not consign the heathen and the strangers among the Israelites to a life of perpetual servitude. We are talking about perpetual servitude here only because some Israelites desired to have bondmen and bondmaids. Of course it is no news that bondmen and bondmaids could be kept as possessions and transferred as inheritance to offspring. God told them that they could not have bondmen and bondmaids of their fellow Israelites. But they could buy and have bondmen and bondmaids from among the heathen and the strangers that dwelt with them.

But for a people that should have been justly wiped out of existence, is coming into perpetual servitude to the Israelites (the people of true God) not a far better option? I believe one big reason why God allowed for foreigners to be held as bondservants forever is for them to be eventually become circumcised and be integrated into the family of the children of Israel, who worshipped and received of the riches and goodness of the knowledge of the true God(indeed knowledge of God is priceless), and looked forward to the coming of the Messiah, even though they may be servants.

There is also another twist to it. Strangers were not allowed to own land in Israel. (We could see God providing for them by, for example, asking the children of Israel not to thoroughly glean their fields or go through their field two times when they are harvesting.) Some strangers who sojourned in Israel must have found it far more comfortable to stay as bondmen to the family of rich people, than to live in abject poverty on their own.

LordReed:


Look at how readily you embrace genocide and you are busy forming being against slavery. Such sick thinking. Not surprised though this religions put sick ideas into peoples minds and softens them enough to think they are good ideas. I spit on such nonsense.

DoctorAlien:


I don't embrace genocide I am as anti-violence as anything you can think of. I only tried to explain what happened in the Bible.

LordReed:


Was it your ghost that typed this:

Now who are these Canaanites? They are wicked people that should have been totally wiped out of existence

You agree that certain people deserved to be wiped out and turn around to say you don't embrace genocide. What's going on in your head?

Dantedasz:
Jesus Christ of the New Testament is never once reported to condemn slavery. Not once.
I suppose this means Christianity supports slavery. Slave masters in the United States regularly quoted the Christian Bible to justify enslaving the Negroes.

Dantedasz:



I hope you understand the topic.
Here is Paul one of the founders of Christianity talking about slavery. It is there in the Bible.


Ephesians 6:5-7 New International Version (NIV)
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people,

New International Version (NIV)

LordReed:


Which of the 10 commandments or the beatitudes talks about slavery?

LordReed:


Exodus 21 English Standard Version (ESV)

21 “Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. 2 When you buy a Hebrew slave,[a] he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.

Leviticus 25:44-46 English Standard Version (ESV)
44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.


The good treatment was reserved for Hebrew slaves while the ones bought from strangers are basically property.

So the god could not categorically tell them stop slavery but had time to tell them not to eat shrimp.

They understood what? That slavery was OK? Even Paul doesn't tell masters to free their slaves but here you are telling me they understood, they understood to continue slavery right?

Edit: Yes Jesus was supposed to be more compassionate because he supposedly came to show the love of god as opposed to the constant judgement god made in the old testament. You can deny it all you want but it is clear from your book of fairytales.

Dantedasz:



I hope you understand the topic.
Here is Paul one of the founders of Christianity talking about slavery. It is there in the Bible.


Ephesians 6:5-7 New International Version (NIV)
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people,

New International Version (NIV)

OpenYourEyes1:



Servants not slaves. They are rewarded in the end unlike slaves

DoctorAlien:


Your post to me meant that I am in support of genocide in this present day. And I am not in support of people killing each other today.

I agree that the Canaanites deserved to be wiped out because they were wicked. And when I say wicked, these people did really abominable things. Child sacrifice by mothers was a common thing among them. God noted it, and commanded their destruction Himself. That is the only reason I am in support of it.

alBHAGDADI:

Mathew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.


If you want men to enslave your daughter, then fond no fault in enslaving men too.

alBHAGDADI:


Do you know what enslaves people? Wars and most times laziness. Some people became slaves of their own will as a means to survive. They come under you as workers and are paid their wages for their services. But the right word is servant.

But you folks always think anytime you hear of slavery, it has to be in the exact way it was during the transatlantic slave trade where people were caught against their will and subjected to all manner of wrongs.

The right word is servant, just as you are a servant to the owner of the company where you work. It's fowl modern translations engineered by Satan that make use of the word slave just to confuse folks like you into thinking it is the same things as transatlantic slavery.