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Lokoyen:
God bless you. This won't still convince anti-tithers that are bent on destroying it.

alBHAGDADI:
Was tithing only meant for the Leviticus priesthood alone? Was it not also meant for widows, orphans, the needy, strangers and also the tither who all eat out of it?

Don't we still have pastors who work in God's house like the Levites did, widows, orphans, strangers and even tithers today?

If people don't tithe, how will Christian be able to propagate the gospel with modern technology?
You advocates of replacing tithing with freewill giving, how many times have you giving freely in the last six months?
If that's the church is depending on, do you think it will still be standing today?

OkCornel:
Even Job was a friend of God, He was never required to give any tithe before God blessed him abundantly before and after his trials.

If Abram and Job were not required to tithe since they were not obliged by God to do so...why should Christians tithe today if they are also under no obligation to do so?

Matthew 23 v 23 and Luke 11 v 42 is dead on arrival because Jesus was talking of tithing as spelt out in the Mosaic Laws which applies to the Judaizers alone...


Again I ask, why should Christians tithe? Where was tithing practiced in the early church? Where did God change tithes from farm produce and livestock to money (gold, silver, paper money)?

What are the concerns of the church that freewill giving cannot address?

gr8tone:
You are harsh with your words. Your over zealousness is getting you out of track. If you are born and brought up in a single church then i don't think you possess the knowledge of things going on in other churches. Besides, you understood me wrongly. I am a Christian, I am not condamning but I am only seeking to know. I just discovered that you are not friendly with words. Let's keep here please.

alBHAGDADI:
Who are you to say Job didn't tithe some because the Bible didn't record such?

alBHAGDADI:
Even Abraham who was recorded to have tithed, you still castigate him for that.

alBHAGDADI:
You do know that justice , mercy and faith was also spoken of by Jesus in Mathew 23:23.
Since it is part of the law and Jesus was talking to the Pharisees alone, according to you,
then it means we Christians should discard Justice, mercy and faith.
But we can't because Jesus upheld all i.e tithing, justice, mercy and faith.

nelsonoba:
No need talking too much. I will address your last point cos it's very necessary I do so; Tithing is not same as freewill giving. Apostle Paul was referring to freewill giving in the passage you quoted in 2 Corinthians 9:7. Tithing is a command and is specific - 10% of profit. Offering or other giving are freewill and can be any amount.

nelsonoba:
The

Lastly, I don't know what bible you are quoting those Hebrew passages from, but this is what my King James bible says

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

nelsonoba:
THE PRIESTHOOD WAS CHANGED AND JESUS BECAME OUR HIGH PRIEST! JESUS BEING THE NEW HIGH PRIEST GAVE US A NEW SET OF LAWS WHICH HE SUMMED UP AS FOLLOWS
1) LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND ALL YOUR SOUL.

2) LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF.

nelsonoba:
The same Jesus went further to say "If you love me, you will keep my commandments". This same Jesus says we should pay tithes just as he said we should not look lustfully on a woman.

nelsonoba:
If you love Jesus, you will keep his commandments. If you can convince me that adultery is no longer a sin, because it has been abolished with the law, then you can also convince me that tithing has been abolished with the law.

nelsonoba:
Until then, the only thing that changed with the law was God summing up His commandments into 2 which are love for God and love for your neighbour........if you love GOD, you will not be too greedy to give Him 10% of your profit

alBHAGDADI:
How does justice, mercy and faith stated by Jesus concerning the law in Mathew 23:23 relate to a non-jew?

If we today can uphold justice, mercy and faith, which are depart of the law, why are we trashing tithe which Jesus mentioned in the same sentence?

alBHAGDADI:
Yes, you need the law to tell you that. Those that didn't have the law did it because they saw no sin in it. But when the law came, they now had the knowledge of sin.

Romans 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

alBHAGDADI:
Jacob was angry at Reuben as any man would when his wife is slept with by another person.

Coat of many colors or mixed materials, they still entail the same thing. Is it not mixed materials that are used to obtain the many colors in most cases?

alBHAGDADI:
Concerning the mosaic law of keeping tassles, that has been done away with. Below is Paul talking about how a Christian woman should dress. Since he never included keeping tassles, that means it has been done away with. If not, then the below would have been a perfect time to remind people of it.

1 Timothy 2:9-10
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

alBHAGDADI:
Do you know what the problem os with you anti-tithers and everyone who believes the tithe money should be taken straight to widows and orphans instead of the house of God? You make decisions without Bible backings, in the process you offend God. Here you have said the house of God are widows and orphans. Where is that written in the Bible? You also said the society is the church. Where is that written in the Bible? Stop making claims based on your own understanding.

God said the tithe is his, he didn't say it is for widows even though he told the high priest to help the windows out of it. It is not your duty to give it to the widows because it means you are assuming the role of the priest. It is the duty of the priest to take some of the tithe and use it to help the needy.

Tithe is totally different from you helping the poor. Give God his dues and proceed to help the poor. Otherwise it will mean that you are wise in your own understanding.

And mind you, Jesus was talking about his brothers in that Bible Passage you quoted. Who are his brothers? They are believers, not some Tom divk and Harry across the street.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

This means that his brothers whom we are to feed are actually needy Christians whom we can find in Church, not some random loser on the street who only wants to remain a junkie and lazy because he knows someone will feed him.

alBHAGDADI:
This issue of tithing is one which has come under immense attack in Christianity today. I was once one of those who attacked the doctrine of tithing with so much zealousness right from my days on campus. It was after I stumbled on an article online which had me fooled. It had me fooled simply because my foundational knowledge about tithing was weak, perhaps I almost had no knowledge at all. Thanks to Pentecostal churches who never cemented one's foundation with good knowledge of tithing. That's why the heretic and horrible article could fool me for years. But I now know better and fully understand why Daddy Freeze is so zealous about his anti-tithe stance. He has been deceived also or he's intentionally a deceiver.

Now, let's address the issue of tithing and see some of the points anti-tithers have raised which most of these false men of God haven't been able to explain.They haven't been able to give any explanation because they never studied, they were just all about squandering the tithe money. That's why some professing Christians are abstaining from tithing due to the work of the anti-tithers. The shepherds who are supposed to guide the sheep haven't been doing their duty but fleecing the sheep. Now, unto the points they raise.


1. Tithing doesn't predate the Law

Speaking of the law, we mean the law of Moses to the children of Israel. In it is a command for them to pay tithe which was then given to the Levites, one of the tribes of Israel who had no landed inheritance but worked in God's house.

Numbers 18:24

But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance

But was that the first time tithe was mentioned in the Bible? No, it was mentioned way before Moses who gave the law was even born. Father Abraham was the first person to pay what the Bible called tithe i.e one tenth of all. Even before Abraham, the concept still existed e.g Cain and Abel.

Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek who was the Priest of the Most High God, who was Jesus Christ in the old testament.

Genesis 14:18-20
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all


This clearly shows that Tithing existed before the law of Moses. We are children of Abraham through faith in God and we are to do the things which Abraham did. But there are some things Abraham did that we are not allowed to do. I'll show you those things and why we aren't allowed to do them.

Some might want to be smart by saying the tithe Abraham paid was of the spoils of war. Is that bad? He fought a battle with ten Kings and won, thereby possessing the spoils of war from which he paid tithe. Mind you, there was no LAW then to condemn war as something bad, if at all you think it is bad.

Romans 3:20
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Out of their foolish smartness, they will still ask to know whether Abraham continually paid tithe. What they are saying is that the Bible should be all about Abraham paying tithe because there aren't other stories to write about.

Abraham's grandson Jacob also gave tithe before the law of Moses. Remember Jacob is the father of the Israelites whom Moses came from.

Genesis 28:20-22
20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God:
22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

But these scoffers and anti-tithers love to ask us to show them where it is recorded that Jacob really paid tithe. If the above passage is not enough for them to believe Jacob paid tithe, then showing them more verses will never be enough because they will keep asking for the third and fifth time he paid tithe.


2. Tithing in the Law

I'm glad that anti-tithers all agree that tithing was part of the law. But some of them are crazy enough to say it wasn't money and that it was agricultural produce. Those produce were what they used to quantify wealth then and even as a means of exchange. Job's wealth was measured in the amount of cattle, rams, camels, donkeys etc which he had. Why didn't the Bible right it in the amount of Dollars or Pounds or whatever currency was used then?

Today, everyone is not a farmer and never was tithing commanded to the farmers alone. That's why money is used as tithing today.

And yes, you are to eat of that tithe in Church. That's why Churches hold feast where everyone eats and merry in the house of God. If your church doesn't do that or hasn't in a long time, then there is something wrong.

3. Tithing after the Law

If you believe tithing is a Law of Moses, then it explains why you believe it is no longer valid now that we are under the grace of Jesus Christ. Before I explain why tithing never got outdated, let's first read the passage below which is actually Jesus talking, who received the tithe Abraham paid before the law was born.

Mathew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

As seem above, Jesus never condemned tithing, he approved it. He only condemned the scribes and Pharisees and Hypocrites who lay so much emphasis on it but forget other important things of the law. According to Jesus, they ought to do all together. That period would have been a perfect time for Jesus to condemn tithing if he didn't want to keep receiving it. But he never did, instead he approved it.

Anti-tithers also foolishly say he wasn't talking to Christians but to the scribes and Pharisees. Guess what? He also mentioned hypocrites, and we have Christians who are hypocrites. They pay tithe but lack justice, mercy and faith which are the weightier matters of the law. They are so wicked that they exonerate the wicked and condemn the righteous because the wicked man is their tribesman. That's injustice. They also lack mercy and have placed their faith in their tithe instead of Jesus. That's why many of them think not paying tithe will make them end up in hell. Is it tithe that died on the cross to save them or Jesus?

Now, to all those who love to say tithing is done away with because we are no longer under the law but under grace. They love to quote the below verse.

Romans 6:14
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Yes, we are not under the law because Jesus has given us grace. But wait, is it everything about the law that has been thrown away? If the law has been done away with, then that means a man can sleep with his sister, his mother and his father's wife which are what the law commands against.

Leviticus 18:6-8
6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the Lord.
7 The unclothedness of thy father, or the unclothedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness.
8 The unclothedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's unclothedness.


That also means filthy homosexuals can continue with their disgusting act.

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

That means a man can also go ahead and have sex with his wife's sister.

Leviticus 18:18
You must not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is still alive

The above are just a bit of what the law is against which we as Christians have been able to do well in obeying. I ask anti-tithers, why are we still obeying these commandments of the law if they have been done away with? They will never have an answer. But when it comes to tithing, they are always quick to say it has passed away with the law.

Now, how do we know which aspect of the law we are to keep and which ones are totally done away with? You see, those aspects of the Old Testamemt laws which God doesn't want us to continue with, he clearly states them in the New Testament. Example is the dietary laws where he ordered that men should not eat pig and certain other animals.

1 Corinthians 10:25
Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

"Whatsoever" means if it is a pig or an eagle or a cat. Remember how he also told Peter to eat those unclean animals.

What about animal sacrifices as done by Abraham and the Israelites under the law? That has been done away with because Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb has been slain once for all for our sins. We don't need to be slaying animals anymore, that is why that practice by Abraham is not followed by we his children of faith. You can read the entire Hebrews chapter for better understanding.

Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

What about an eye for an eye? In the Old testament, it was allowed as a law.

Exodus 21:24
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,


Jesus changed it in the New Testament.

Mathew 5:38-41
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain

What about the law on adultery which requires that the adulterer be put to death?

Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Jesus changed that law in the New Testament

John 8:3-11
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

What about stoning a disobedient child to death as seen in Deuteronomy 21:18-21? Jesus changed that with his parable of the prodigal son. The sons in both Bible passages have similar character, yet one was allowed to live.

There are many more of such laws which got changed in the New Testament. The ones God wants us to continue with, he made clear in the New Testament. Now, can anti-tithers show me one single verse in the New Testament that shows that God has changed the law on tithing? They can't because it doesn't exist. Now since no verse tells us to stop tithing or that it has been changed, who are anti-tithers to tell us to stop tithing? What they are doing is simply speaking for God when he hasn't spoken. They are trying to infuse into the Bible verses that are not there. They are teaching man-made doctrines and are passing it off as God's commandment and trying to force us to obey them.

Mathew 15:9
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


4. Pastors are not the Levite tribe of Israel.

Yes, pastor are not the biological tribe of Levites whom God said should collect tithes, but they are the spiritual tribe in the order of Melchizedek. That is why they can collect tithes and eat out of it. Jesus aka Melchizedek the Priest of the Most High God collected tithe when he met Abraham. The Levite priesthood got transfered back to the Melchizedek priesthood as seen in Hebrews chapter 7. The pastors are now the priest and Jesus the High Priest, hence the reason why they collect tithe which is used to run the church, provide food for the needy and pay the pastor's salary because he only works in church. If he decides to work elsewhere as well, fine, he will still get paid his entitlement. Some pastors can even decide not to receive salary like Apostle Paul. That doesn't mean those who do are wrong. Mind you, Peter and the Apostles did eat of the Gospel.

But shame and curses be unto all these false Daddy GOs and false prophets who have amassed great wealth off this doctrine. No wonder churches don't hold feast regularly anymore because the pastor swallows the tithe money, all of it. You all have brought shame to the body of Christ because your opulence is the reason why tithing is under attack today. It is simply because you are looked upon like a Good because you started the church and think you own it. Every decision of yours is final without any board of elders to curb your excesses. Your doom is near because you have moved from being a shepherd to a hireling or a wolf who cares less about the sheep, that's why you fleece them.

If you have been deceived by Daddy Freeze and the horde of anti-tithers, it's never too late to come back. I was deceived too. But I have promised to return to tithing as from January 2019 and it will be in a Baptist Church where pastors are subjected under the authority of the elders and board, where money spent is questioned.

Thank you very much.


#NOTICE

Giving your tithe to widows, orphans or to the needy is wrong. It should be given to the house of God because all the instances recorded in the Bible about tithing shows that it was given to the house of God. It is now the duty of the house of God to give part of it to the needy, widows, orphans etc. If you give to those people, please don't call it tithing.

nelsonoba:
This is what happens when the bible you read is daddy freeze! Go and read Acts 4:31-37 And Acts 5. The believers were selling their possessions and coming to drop 100% of the proceeds at the feet of the apostles......AND THE APOSTLES WERE COLLECTING THE MONEY!

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. KJV

34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to ANYONE who had NEED. NIV

nelsonoba:
And the early churches were not even COLLECTING only 10%. People were bringing 100%,

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all

nelsonoba:
and when Ananias and Sapphira tried to bring 50% and lied about it, God killed them for doing so. Just ordinary 10% that God asked you to bring is peppering your body to speak all these meaningless grammar

Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal?
What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

4 Before you sold the field, it belonged to you, right? And even after you sold it, you could have used the money any way you wanted. How could you even think of doing such a thing? You lied to God, not to us!”

Before you sold it, it was all yours, and after you sold it, the money was yours to do with as you wished. So what got into you to pull a trick like this? You didn’t lie to men but to God.”

alBHAGDADI:
Never expect a preacher to be friendly with words. Jesus was never friendly with words when he had to speak against evil or wrongs. If people are attacking tithing today, you shouldn't expect.me to be fearful about speaking the truth.

alBHAGDADI:
How can there be meat in God's house if you take your tithe straight to widows?

Malachi 3:10
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Nehemiah 10:35-37

35 And to bring the firstfruits of our ground, and the firstfruits of all fruit of all trees, year by year, unto the house of the Lord:

36 Also the firstborn of our sons, and of our cattle, as it is written in the law, and the firstlings of our herds and of our flocks, to bring to the house of our God, unto the priests that minister in the house of our God:

37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.

gr8tone:
You got it all wrong. When people seek to understand, you should be diplomatic in helping them get over their ignorance rather than bullying them words thinking you replicating Jesus Christ.

In 1 Peter 3:15-16 New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. I don't know whether you are holier than this speaker here. Whether you like it or not there are a lot of Christians who still bear grudges over paying of tithe in our churches today and you can't educate them by bullying thinking they are attacking your source of income. Jesus Christ's harshness was very educative than yours because his harshness was able to reveal the truth so clearly that no one had an excuse. So Mr pastor, don't flog your sheep with words. Let's be kind to the unlearned to carry them along.

KingOfAmebo:
The devil in alBHAGDADI is already speaking out...that's the reason for his outburst...the devil his father is not known to be calm for long before revealing his true nature.

The scripture is very clear on this:

Matthew 7:15-20

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

He couldn't answer my questions correctly, he keeps jumping aimlessly by misquoting the bible to justify his claims.

alBHAGDADI:
The warning against sleeping with your sister was not also a universal warning, so Christians are not under any obligation to obey it. Do you now understand?

Says who? You?



What you are saying is that every thing about the law has been throwaway. That's why I keep advising you to go and sleep with your sister. Etc means sleeping with your father's wife, your mother and the likes. Were you expecting me to have the time to start listing everything?



Do you also have to wait for tithing to be mentioned before you know it was never abolished? Same way sleeping with one's sister was never mentioned as wrong in the new testament but we know it's wrong, is the same way tithing not emphasized on in the same book should also make us know it hasn't been discarded.




Who are you to state where tithing falls? Stop making baseless statement without prove. Was there circumcission when Abraham tithed?

Don't you think since the Bible never condemned tithing, even Jesus, then Man should not condemn it?



Sorry dude, Abraham was not a Jew but a friend of God. He tithed not according to any Jewish law. Even when Jacob promised to tithe, it wasn't according to any Jewish law. Why do you condemn and attack those who chose to tithe? Where is your biblical backing? Why are you saying tithing has ended when God never said such? He initiated it and should be the only one to end it. Since he hasn't, who are you to end it for him?

amazon14:
Ameeeeen. Thanks a million times. I will not fail God from now onward.
May your Christmas be filled with joy and happiness

alBHAGDADI:
Jesus collected tithe from Abraham, except you want to tell me you didn't read the article.

Pastors are spiritual Levites. What did the Levites do in those days? Their duty was to be in God's house always and care for it and also the people. Compare that to Pastors of today, is it not the same thing they do? Before Jesus came to earth, he received tithe from Abraham. He came to earth and didn't demand tithe because the people didn't know him like their father Abraham did.

John 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

You expect people who rejected Him as Messiah and killed him to pay tithe to him when they didn't understand him to be the High Priest of the Most High God? When he told them that he existed before Abraham, they picked up stones to stone him. How do you think they would have reacted if he had told them to pay tithe to him just as their father Abraham did? That's why Jesus focused on the message of salvation till his death, burial and resurrection after which true Christians now understood that he has now become the High Priest in a new priesthood. If he collected tithe from Abraham as Melchizedek the High Priest, what makes you think he has changed and won't collect tithe from we that are Abraham's children through faith? Is Jesus no longer the same yesterday, today and forever? The tithe he collects is what is being used to propagate the gospel. His ministers get paid from it else they abandoned their duty and go fend for themselves. Or is it the chicken change offering you guys donate that you want to use to run a church? You all keep mentioning freewill giving, how many of you have done that in the last six months?

If your claim is that they lay so much emphasis on tithe, then you just have been attending a money-driven church. It's your fault, not tithing's.

alBHAGDADI:
Jesus collected tithe from Abraham, except you want to tell me you didn't read the article.

Pastors are spiritual Levites. What did the Levites do in those days? Their duty was to be in God's house always and care for it and also the people. Compare that to Pastors of today, is it not the same thing they do? Before Jesus came to earth, he received tithe from Abraham. He came to earth and didn't demand tithe because the people didn't know him like their father Abraham did.

John 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

You expect people who rejected Him as Messiah and killed him to pay tithe to him when they didn't understand him to be the High Priest of the Most High God? When he told them that he existed before Abraham, they picked up stones to stone him. How do you think they would have reacted if he had told them to pay tithe to him just as their father Abraham did? That's why Jesus focused on the message of salvation till his death, burial and resurrection after which true Christians now understood that he has now become the High Priest in a new priesthood. If he collected tithe from Abraham as Melchizedek the High Priest, what makes you think he has changed and won't collect tithe from we that are Abraham's children through faith? Is Jesus no longer the same yesterday, today and forever? The tithe he collects is what is being used to propagate the gospel. His ministers get paid from it else they abandoned their duty and go fend for themselves. Or is it the chicken change offering you guys donate that you want to use to run a church? You all keep mentioning freewill giving, how many of you have done that in the last six months?

If your claim is that they lay so much emphasis on tithe, then you just have been attending a money-driven church. It's your fault, not tithing's.

alBHAGDADI:
Who are you to say Job didn't tithe some because the Bible didn't record such? Even Abraham who was recorded to have tithed, you still castigate him for that.

You do know that justice , mercy and faith was also spoken of by Jesus in Mathew 23:23. Since it is part of the law and Jesus was talking to the Pharisees alone, according to you, then it means we Christians should discard Justice, mercy and faith. But we can't because Jesus upheld all i.e tithing, justice, mercy and faith.

alBHAGDADI:
Sorry dude, the Bible is not silent on keeping tassles. Paul already discarded that part of the law when he spoke of now a Christian woman should dress on 1 Timothy 2:9-10. Since he never included keeping tassles, then it is done away with.

As for eating out of your tithe, didn't you read in the OP where I said churches do hold feast with tithe money which you eat out of ? Perhaps you didn't read the OP.

If tithing was never money, then what you are saying is that tithing was only a command to farmers. Was it food Abraham tithed to Melchizedek? Or where is it written that any mention of tithe has to do with food? Yes, we do know that food was most times mentioned, but it wasn't only food. Abraham gave tithe of the spoils of war which could include swords, shields, gold, crowns etc.

OkCornel:
Why are you trying to be clever by half?
Which feast does the church organize with tithe money for tithers?

How does this align with the instruction that tithers are required to eat out of their tithes directly as opposed to your claims where tithe money is deposited into the church treasury to hold a feast?

Look at Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 and show us how exactly the church is obeying it!

And please, why should Abram give a tithe of foodstuff when God never laid out any specific instruction for him to do so?

Should we use Abram's voluntary decision to tithe from the spoils of war as a basis for Christians to tithe out of their monthly income?

Did God ever ask for tithes to be given in form of money?

MuttleyLaff:
Let's no believe the hype that Abram's decision to tithe from the spoils of war was voluntary.
It was not a voluntary decision to tithe.

It is a well known historical and documentated fact that Abram tithed in line with the prevailing Mesopotamia custom to tithe
Artifacts shows and testifies to heathens practice of tithing. It was the status quo.

alBHAGDADI & OkCornel, recognise that Abram was following tradition
but chose to give tithe to God rather than to an ordinary and other deity(ies) as was being practised by the natives.

The custom is to locate a local ruler cum priest worthy of consideration to give tithe of proceeds of war to.
As for Abram, Melchizedek footed the bill, he was suitable and perfect for the purpose.

MuttleyLaff:
Great insights or understanding is both fascinating and humbling.

The alBHAGDADI of this world dont know how to walk away from something unhealthy, something no longer needed or useful and samething make legally null and void because of the lack of great insights or understanding

The alBHAGDADI of this world are yet to know that old ways wont open new doors

OkaiCorne:
Duly noted

MuttleyLaff:
Great insights or understanding is both fascinating and humbling.

The alBHAGDADI of this world dont know how to walk away from something unhealthy, something no longer needed or useful and samething make legally null and void because of the lack of great insights or understanding

The alBHAGDADI of this world are yet to know that old ways wont open new doors

MuttleyLaff:
Please don't just take what I wrote on just face value.
Dig and dive deeper, do a Berean, go to museums etcetera to see whether or not this was a prevailing custom

OkCornel:
I've gone through verifiable sources corroborating what you mentioned earlier as to how tithing was a prevalent custom in Mesopotomia in Abram's day...

I'm still asking @alBAGHDADI why Abram's decision to tithe from the spoils of war should serve as a basis for Christians to tithe out of their monthly income...

I'm yet to see any connection

OkCornel:
Now you have to resort to lies in making your point isn't it? How and where did I castigate Abram for tithing?

I just wanted to know why a voluntary one-off transaction from the spoils of war with Melchizedek now becomes a basis for Christians to part with 10% of their monthly income?


I repeat again! even the gentiles did not have to consult with the Mosaic Law to know what Justice, Mercy and Faith is...and how to go about it in their different laws and customs!

genkins:
Have you told them that Levites belonged to a specific bloodline of Levi?why are you twisting scriptures like this.levites had no inheritance or property..but pastors do.who said pastors are spiritual Levites ,where do you get that from?was paul a spiritual Levite?paul was a Pharisee and later became a tent maker to sustain himself and also preach free of charge.this story you spun up there is from your fertile imaginations and assumptions.no Nigerian is qualified to receive tithes whether through the levitical or Melchizedek priesthood.Christians do not need to follow Jewish laws and you cannot justify tithing through Melchizedek either.stop misleading Gods children to hell.salvation is free,Gods blessing is free even for the non Christians.Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world and we have been paying tithe to the devil and guess what,thier names appear in Forbes.

TrumpDonald2:
Oga stop deceiving yourself. Levite's are the people who are descendants of Levi. It's a tribe and there was a reason why God commanded that tithes be paid to them (Go and read that). You trying to integrate Nigerian pastors and the Levites is so illogical. You people should study the bible comprehensively and stop picking the portion that suits you and discarding the rest. Jesus did not collect tithe because it was no longer important as his blood was going to be the eternal price for all man through which man can be reconciled to God. So stop this confusion, because you are not making sense to me.

Come to think of it, after the death and resurrection of Jesus and his command for the apostles and disciples to gather every first day of the week in his memory, I dont remember reading where any of the apostles collected tithes afterwards. Pls if you read, kindly point me to that passage, maybe I didn't see it.

Read 2Peter 2:1-3 to know what is happening right now.

alBHAGDADI:
Is Pharisee a tribe? Do you know that God is done with the nation of Israel and has instituted a new nation of Israel who are the believers? We are now the spiritual Israel. What makes you think there is no spiritual Levites? When I say spiritual Levites, I mean the roll they played in the house of God is what makes pastors spiritual Levite's because they play similar role in God's house. The pastors are not biological Levites but are levites by spirit, just as we are not biological children of Israel but we are children of Israel by spirit through faith.

Yes, Paul worked as a tenth maker to sustain himself, but does that mean Peter and the other full time apostles were thieves for not working and living of the gospel?

Below is Paul telling you that those whom God ordained to preach the gospel are to live of the gospel. He said he doesn't do such, but it is allow just as the law of Moses allowed such.

1 Corinthians 9:6-14
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?

7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?

9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel


As for pastors on Forbes, you are the fool paying your tithe to man who is above questioning. Go to a Baptist Church and see how true Christianity is practiced.