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nelsonoba:
I ask you again;

1)DID JESUS ABOLISH THE 10 commandments?
If yes, Does that mean it is no longer a sin if i take a gun and kill you?

2) Have you read Galatians 5:16 - 21??
If you have, why did Apostle Paul say that those who do those things he listed as the works of the flesh WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD?
Do you now understand Grace more than Apostle Paul that God used to reveal the gospel of grace to us?

I NEED YOUR ANSWERS ON THESE TWO QUESTIONS

nelsonoba:
Bros you have not answered my 2 questions. Stop dodging them. They are straight forward "yes" or "no" questions. When you have answered them, then we can proceed from there. Until then, I go siddon dey look you

OkCornel:
No one is dodging your question(s), I am pointing out the contradiction in your first question.
Look at what you posted earlier before the question;

And now you are asking this question;

Mobilia:
MuttleyLaff,
Thanks for feeling the need to address me.
I appreciate that.
I will only answer (1) question out of the many that you asked. Sorry buddy...and if you call that a "win" for your view because that's all I'll answer, then I kindly surrender that.
You be good

Your question: Do I pay tithes?

My answer:
1). I first GIVE unto God what belongs unto God..and then I give unto my government what belongs to them.

2). I also give an offering in church.

3). In addition, I also choose
(both randomly sometimes at my discretion and sometimes impressed by the Holy Spirit) to give either monetary or physical items....outside of church.
Mark 12:17 (KJV)
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.
And they marvelled at Him."

Proverbs 19:17 (KJV)
He that have pity upon the poor lender unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again."

Matthew 6:1-4 (KJV)
"Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly

Donald95:
I am not against tithing but I am against pastors that threatens their members with hell if they don't tithe

Franciscochidi:
[url][/url] You are so funny and ignorant of the truth Sir. Tithing is activity done in a physical Temple. That priesthood had been changed, stop proving nonsense pls

alBHAGDADI:
Has the government asked them to pay and they refused?

MuttleyLaff:
There is no favouritism here Mo/bilia.
Its just that when you turn up on a battlefield,
expect to be shot at when you raise your head above the parapet.

The " do you pay tithes" question warranted a binary answer of Yes or No
and not ramblings or any of those unrelated to the questions unsolicited information you provided.

Please tell me, what exactly do you mean by
"I first GIVE unto God what belongs unto God"?

Is the percentage of what you first GIVE unto God that belongs unto God always fixed?

Why personally do you religiously tithe?
Do you think you will miss out on something if you stop religiously tithing?
Do you believe and think you'll pay dearly for dodging paying ecclesiastical tithes or default in giving ecclesiastical tithes?

Are you familiar with the law of liberty?

alBHAGDADI:
One thing you do not know is that tithing never got changed. You guys are always quick to point out that we no longer have the Leviticus priesthood and Levites, so you say it means tithing has become obsolete because the levites aren't around to receive it. What you fail to know is that tithe does not belong to Levites. If it doesn't belong to them, then who owns the tithes? It belongs to God Almighty. Take note of the bold parts of the below verse.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.

alBHAGDADI:
So you see, your talk of us no longer having Levitical priesthood is no strong argument against tithing. The tithe was God's portion for them. It belongs to God who now decoded to give them because they had no inheritance.

alBHAGDADI:
You also say since there is no more temple in Jerusalem to offer the tithe, then there is no need to tithe. Do you agree that the tithe is to be brought into God's house?

Malachi 3:10
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house.

God is saying the tithe should be brought into His House. But you say the temple has been destroyed and no longer exists. That is very correct and it simply means that God has found somewhere else to call his house. That new house of God is called the Church.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Did you see how the above verse shows that the Church is now the house of God? Can you now see that your argument of God not having a house to receive tithe is no longer valid?

alBHAGDADI:
So, if God is still existing, still has a house and never opened his mouth in the Bible to say he is no longer interested in collecting the tithe which is his property, then why do you all say tithing has been abolished?

Did God say so? No.

Then why are you all saying so for him?

MuttleyLaff:
nelsonoba,
1/ Yes the 10 commandments are nailed on to the cross.
It is sin for you to take a gun and kill me without justification because you would be missing God's mark in doing that
2/ Grace permits you to obey the law of liberty

nelsonoba, would you sincerely say there is nothing wrong with how tithing is instituted?

openmine:
Deutronomy 14:22-29
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.

23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.

24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),

25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.

26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.

27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.


Numbers 18:20-24
20 The Lord said to Aaron, “You will have no inheritance in their land, nor will you have any share among them; I am your share and your inheritance among the Israelites.

21 “I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the tent of meeting.

22 From now on the Israelites must not go near the tent of meeting, or they will bear the consequences of their sin and will die.

23 It is the Levites who are to do the work at the tent of meeting and bear the responsibility for any offenses they commit against it. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. They will receive no inheritance among the Israelites.

24 Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the Lord. That is why I said concerning them: ‘They will have no inheritance among the Israelites.’”

openmine:
Deuteronomy 26:12-15
12 When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.

13 Then say to the Lord your God: “I have removed from my house the sacred portion and have given it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, according to all you commanded. I have not turned aside from your commands nor have I forgotten any of them.

14 I have not eaten any of the sacred portion while I was in mourning, nor have I removed any of it while I was unclean, nor have I offered any of it to the dead. I have obeyed the Lord my God; I have done everything you commanded me.

15 Look down from heaven, your holy dwelling place, and bless your people Israel and the land you have given us as you promised on oath to our ancestors, a land flowing with milk and honey.”

openmine:
1 Corinthians 6:19
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

openmine:
Galatians 3:10-11
10 But people who depend on following the law to make them right are under a curse. As the Scriptures say, “They must do everything that is written in the law. If they do not always obey, they are under a curse.”
11 So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by the law. The Scriptures say, “The one who is right with God by faith will live forever.”


Ephesians 2:13-15

13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,

15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

Hebrews 7:11-12
11 If a perfect method of reconciling with God—a perfect priesthood—had been found in the sons of Levi (a priesthood that communicated God’s law to the people), then why would the Scriptures speak of another priest, a priest according to the order of Melchizedek, instead of, say, from the order of Aaron? What would be the need for it? It would reflect a new way of relating to God

12 because when there is a change in the priesthood there must be a corresponding change in the law as well.


Hebrews 7:18-19
18 The old rule is now ended because it was weak and worthless.

19 The LAW OF MOSES could not make anything perfect. But now a BETTER HOPE has been given to US. And with that hope we can come near to God.

Galatians 3:21-25
21 Does this mean that the law works against God’s promises? Of course not. The law was never God’s way of giving new life to people. If it were, then we could be made right with God by following the law.

22 But this is not possible. The Scriptures put the whole world in prison under the control of sin, so that the only way for people to get what God promised would be through faith in Jesus Christ. It is given to those who believe in him.

23 Before this faith came, the law held us as prisoners. We had no freedom until God showed us the way of faith that was coming.

24 I mean the LAW was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith.

25 Now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the LAW to be our guardian.

nelsonoba:
You are not God, so your opinion on tithing does not matter. If God the creator commands tithes to be paid, then it is right to do it. If Jesus himself who brought grace upheld tithing in Matthew 23:23, then it is right to do so.

You have succeeded in shooting yourself on the foot by claiming the 10 commandments were abolished and still telling me it is a sin if I kill you without justification. Before nko? When God commanded us not to kill in the 10 commandments, was he referring to killing with justification?? If God was referring to killing with justification, then why would The same God call David a man after his heart? And we all know David was a soldier......what is the job of soldiers? Is it not to kill

So if I steal all your money too, you should not be angry because it's no longer a sin since according to You, THE 10 COMMANDMENTS HAVE BEEN ABOLISHED WITH THE LAW

alBHAGDADI:
Please don't mind those blind bats.

They are trying to change God's word on tithing which he never did. If he didn't want us to continue tithing like he didn't want is to continue animal sacrifices, he would have said it like he did concerning animal sacrifices.

But since he didn't change his words on tithing, then anyone trying to stop tithing is trying to change God's words.

Let me give you a simple illustration from the Bible. Read the passage below.

Mathew 4:8-11

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Ad you can see above, Satan wanted Jesus to worship him. But Jesus knew that it is written in the scriptures that only God deserves worship. That's why Jesus made it known to Satan that that writing in the scriptures about worshiping God alone has not changed, so there's no way Satan should expect worship from him.

All those who kick against tithing can't show us where God specifically changed his word in the scriptures on tithing. That is why people who tithe still continue to tithe because God's word of old which hasn't been changed by him still stand. Anyone trying to change it is only playing Satan's role of trying to change God's word just like he did when he tempted Jesus.

Mobilia:
Oh I didn't know that you were the commander-in-chief of the battle. Sorry...

Mobilia:
I saw the thread, decided to read the OP and then comment.

Mobilia:
I have disagreed with him on other areas of scripture.
See, it's about the scriptures.

Mobilia:
I've talked about tithes a few times before on the Religion thread under my old moniker.
So the debate is not new.
I'm not here for debate. I just happen to agree with the concept of tithing

Mobilia:
I answered your question with a "yes" by my answer.

Mobilia:
It was necessary to "break down" the ways in which I "give".
One is obligatory and the other is through my own conscience.

Mobilia:
Yes, I give 10 percent of my "firstfruit" which would be my income each month.
If I had multiple jobs, I would take 10 percent out of those.
I have no problem in doing so....
I should want to do so.
Even if I would happen to be "wrong" by your view, it doesn't hurt to give to the Lord's church

Mobilia:
You write quite a bit oftentimes here on N.L.
In fact, I've never seen you write less than 1 paragraph.

Mobilia:
So I've only done what I've seen you do a million times over.
Answer a question with more than a "yes" or "no".

Mobilia:
I don't really subscribe to the idea of "prosperity gospel"..which several churches in the U.S. build their congregations upon.
I also don't believe that pastors should EVER force or threaten congregations to give.
However, I answer to the Supreme God..and have an obligation to Him and Him alone.
I personally would never attend a church that heavily emphasizes "money" all of the time.
However, money has its place in the church.
God has commanded us to "give" in order to help us to be grateful and less selfish.
Really it's about obedience.
He doesn't need 1 penny from us...and to be honest, this entire galaxy belongs to Him.
We are supposed to be good stewards of what He has allowed us to get.

Mobilia:
Now if ungodly, greedy, corrupt and vile men squander the tithes/offerings, then they have to stand before the Lord one day and give an account.
Now my giving of tithe and offering can be done with a corrupt heart and my refusal to give a tithe and offering can be done with a corrupt heart.
If my heart's corrupt, then there's still a major issue that must be dealt with.
That being said, that does NOT exempt me from my obligation...regardless of which church I attend.
The blessings I get are not always monetary...
they could be protection from an unforeseen dangerous event, a child being born, a neighbor having a successful surgery, an unexpected gift, an encouraging word etc.
I don't tithe because I expect something from God.

Mobilia:
It isnt a "barter and trade" type of relationship.
I am not exempted from loss of any kind be it job, illness, home or death because I give either.
I do it because I love the Lord and want to be obedient to Him.
The "law of liberty" also requires something....
I am saved by GRACE THEREFORE I live a life pleasing to God because I love Him and am forever grateful

Mobilia:
One thing I've noticed about you is that you tend to get very sarcastic and angry when people disagree with you.
Folks aren't always gonna agree with you...

Mobilia:
but no need to take it to a "gutter" level.

Mobilia:
P.S. I wasn't saying that you showed me favoritism.

Mobilia:
I was just acknowledging a mention

Mobilia:
...since ALL males on the forum were told to avoid, ignore and not converse with me.

Mobilia:
Therefore, I thank you...although your mention has been very combative.
Take care

nelsonoba:
You are not God, so your opinion on tithing does not matter.

nelsonoba:
If God the creator commands tithes to be paid, then it is right to do it.
If Jesus himself who brought grace upheld tithing in Matthew 23:23, then it is right to do so.

nelsonoba:
You have succeeded in shooting yourself on the foot by claiming the 10 commandments were abolished
and still telling me it is a sin if I kill you without justification. Before nko?
When God commanded us not to kill in the 10 commandments, was he referring to killing with justification??
If God was referring to killing with justification,
then why would The same God call David a man after his heart?
And we all know David was a soldier......what is the job of soldiers? Is it not to kill?

nelsonoba:
So if I steal all your money too, you should not be angry because it's no longer a sin since according to You, THE 10 COMMANDMENTS HAVE BEEN ABOLISHED WITH THE LAW

alBHAGDADI:
Please don't mind those blind bats.

They are trying to change God's word on tithing which he never did.
If he didn't want us to continue tithing like he didn't want is to continue animal sacrifices,
he would have said it like he did concerning animal sacrifices.

But since he didn't change his words on tithing, then anyone trying to stop tithing is trying to change God's words.

Let me give you a simple illustration from the Bible.
Read the passage below.
Mathew 4:8-11
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Ad you can see above, Satan wanted Jesus to worship him.
But Jesus knew that it is written in the scriptures that only God deserves worship.
That's why Jesus made it known to Satan that that writing in the scriptures about worshiping God alone has not changed,
so there's no way Satan should expect worship from him.

All those who kick against tithing can't show us where God specifically changed his word in the scriptures on tithing.
That is why people who tithe still continue to tithe because God's word of old which hasn't been changed by him still stand.
Anyone trying to change it is only playing Satan's role of trying to change God's word just like he did when he tempted Jesus.

alBHAGDADI:
Do you lack comprehension skills?

Leviticus 27:30 says The tithe is the Lord's. It doesn't say it is the Levite's.

Even the Numbers 18:21 which you quoted shows that it is God who gives the tithes to Levites after people have PAID him. He gives it to them after he has been paid. He gives it to them for their services in his temple.

alBHAGDADI:
This your quotation of scripture doesn't seem like it's addressing any of my points.

alBHAGDADI:
Since you are the temple of God, when next you want to offer something to God, just swallow it because you believe God lives in you.

alBHAGDADI:
Individual Christians are the temple of God, our collection is what makes us the church which is the house of God. God living in each of us doesn't make us the Church. When you are all alone, you cannot claim to be the church. It is when we congregate that we become the church and the below verse says such congregation is the house of God.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

alBHAGDADI:
Man, nobody is depending on the law to make them right. What we are saying is that not everything about the law has been thrown away. You just quoted lots of scriptures to try to prove that the law has ended and done with, but you don't understand what does verses are actually saying.

alBHAGDADI:
Since you believe the law has ended and done away with, why not go ahead and sleep with your sister, your mother, your father's wife which are all what the law warns against because such acts are an abomination before God?

Leviticus 18:6-14
 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the Lord.

7 The unclothedness of thy father, or the unclothedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness.

8 The unclothedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's unclothedness.

9 The unclothedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their unclothedness thou shalt not uncover.

10 The unclothedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their unclothedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own unclothedness.

11 The unclothedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness.

12 Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.

13 Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.

14 Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt

alBHAGDADI:
Your last verses say we are no longer observing the law as our guardian because Christ has come. Yes, and Christmas given us the Holy Spirit to help is remember all what he told us.

John 14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Remember he told us in the old testament law that adulterers should be punished by stoning. Remember how he changed the law by preventing those people from stoning that adulteress.

Remember he said in the law that his people should not eat pig and other unclean things. Remember he later changed it by saying all things are clean for eating.

Remember he said in the law that males are to be circimcised. Remember the later changed it in the new testament.

Can you now show me where he changed the law on tithing in the new testament? You can never find. The closest you will see him speaking of tithe is in Mathew 23:23 which shows him upholding it. That instance would have been a perfeCt time for him to change it, like it was a perfect time for him to stop the stoning of adulterers when he saw an adulteress about to be stoned. it he never did. Who are you to now stop it when he never did?

alBHAGDADI:
The reason why I quoted Leviticus 18 for you is to show you that the parts of the law which God changed were specifically stated in the new testament, e.g animal sacrifices and those ones I listed above. The ones he didn't change in the new testament still holds. Examples are the laws on sex as seen in Leviticus 18. Since he didn't change them, then it means they still hold, that's why we don't practice sleeping with kins. Same thing with tithing. He never changed it in the new testament, that's why it holds today. His words still stand and anyone trying to stop tithing is only trying to change God's word.

MuttleyLaff:
Dont you think it is time to drop all these your sentimental nonsenses and excuses

I dont have an opinion, I am, unlike you, not nursing an opinion in this matter

nelsonoba, do you know what your problem is?
Your problem nelsonoba, is, you don't know the difference between fact and opinion.

I wish I had an opinion on tithing but it will be useless and senseless
It will be an opinion that won't affect the truth and reality nor change facts about tithing

1/ Which tithe did God command?
2/ Why, when and where did God command tithe?
3/ Which tithing are you following and/or adhering to
Is it the Abraham type of tithing or the Levitical commanded type of tithing?
4/ Are you not aware that Jesus Himself, whom you admitted brought grace and upheld tithing in Matthew 23:23,
in reality, only supported tithing in Matthew 23:23, under that different arrangement and only in that dispensation?
5/ Are you not aware that, Matthew 23:23 bar important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness, is now just water under the bridge?

This is one of the most ignorant statement a person can make that I've so far read on the Religion forum.
Yes, nelsonoba, it is kill but it is not murder though. Facepalm. SMH.

Why better, dont you get your facts right before displaying your crass assumptions and colossal ignorances here
Have you at all, heard of keeping the royal law according to the Scripture?

Well guess what.
By the time, you've had enough here, do you know what ,apart from learning, you'll be getting on this thread?
If you dont run away, it’s called getting an education, getting education in a compelling way

alBHAGDADI, according to the bible, because of your obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving, you are a bonafide and certified SLAVE

alBHAGDADI, knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave
There is no way you can master your future, if you're still a slave to the past and trudging down on an old way

nelsonoba:
1) You don't know where God commanded tithing in old testament
2) You have not read where God commanded tithing in Malachi 3:10
3) You don't know where Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek (King of Salem & Prince of Righteousness according Hebrews 7)
4) You believe Jesus only upheld tithing in "that dispensation", and afterwards discarded it (without telling us the exact place God mentioned that tithe was discarded)
5) You believe tithing IS OF THE LAW AND AS SUCH SHOULD BE ABOLISHED WITH THE LAW, but you refuse to agree that Tithing had been in existence long before the law (as shown by Abraham and his descendants paying tithes)
6) You have not read Hebrews 7:1-8 where in verse 8, Apostle Paul said "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth"
7) You refused to answer the question with a very categorical YES or NO if breaking the commandment on Murder and stealing are sins, or they are no longer sin since the law has been abolished
SO TELL ME; WHY SHOULD I NOT BELIEVE YOU HAVE AN UNREPENTANT AND UNHEALTHY OPINION ON TITHE??
WHY SHOULD I CARRY ON THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU, WHEN YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTIONS?

MuttleyLaff:
This is one of the most ignorant statement a person can make that I've so far read on the Religion forum.
Yes, nelsonoba, it is kill but it is not murder though. Facepalm. SMH.

Well guess what.
By the time, you've had enough here, do you know what, apart from learning, you'll be getting on this thread?
If you dont run away, it’s called getting an education, getting education in a compelling way

MuttleyLaff:
nelsonoba,
1/ Yes the 10 commandments are nailed on to the cross.
It is sin for you to take a gun and kill me without justification because you would be missing God's mark in doing that
2/ Grace permits you to obey the law of liberty

nelsonoba, would you sincerely say there is nothing wrong with how tithing is instituted?

MuttleyLaff:
You are lightweight, you are a poor excuse for a learner

Look at you, you lie like a cheap Persian throw rug, saying that I refused to answer the question with a very categorical YES or NO
Do you need to visit specsavers?

I am pleased anyway, even if you havent learned anything at all,
at least you've had the sense and learned to change from using "kill" to using "murder"
You can send me a thank you card in the post for that free education on the distinction between "kill" and "murder"

nelsonoba:
"Yes, nelsonoba, it is kill but it is not murder though. Facepalm. SMH." ..........does that answer sound very categorical to you? Why is a simple question requiring yes or no taking a whole sentence to answer?

alBHAGDADI:
Please don't mind those blind bats.

They are trying to change God's word on tithing which he never did. If he didn't want us to continue tithing like he didn't want is to continue animal sacrifices, he would have said it like he did concerning animal sacrifices.

openmine:
The law based tithe is given to the levites as an inheritance!
Of course the earth is the lord's
every Good and wonderful gift comes from above!
You speak as if God came down from heaven to eat the tithe!




What am saying is....
contrary to your insinuations,
Its actually the levites who bring their own tenth to the temple not the people of israel!



That is exactly what the scripture says.....get a contrary scripture to that or just be silent and stop the ignorance!
Stop making a mockery of yourself!



It seems you are trying to confuse the meaning of a church with that of a temple that is based on the old covenant!
When two or three come together in fellowship,he is there in our midst!
You are erroneously trying to equate the temple of God to the church!
The old covenant instituted temple was God's dwelling place....even the people of Israel never came near the temple!
Church is the body of Christ and also belongs to God...but God's dwelling place is in individuals not a building made of brick and stones!




Hmmm...so you agree that the law of Moses actually ended! That's a new one!
Bro the scriptures were not specific as to WHICH LAW was abolished or which one should be spared!
The Mosaic laws which includes the regulations and ordinances was abolished due to its uselessness and worthlessness according to scriptures not me!
Not one law was spared!
The New High priest Christ cannot preside over a new covenant with some fragments of the old laws....
Where there is a CHANGE OF PRIESTHOOD,there must be a necessity for the CHANGE OF THE LAW!
Not some laws but ALL OF THEM!
However,you can provide me scriptures to prove that some laws were spared and i will be here to learn!




Cool!
This erroneous inclination is what i have been waiting for!
What was indeed the purpose of the law?
i will let scriptures speak for that....

Galatians 3:19
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of our sins until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.


1 timothy 1:8
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that the law is made NOT for the RIGHTEOUS but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Galatians 3:23-25
23 Before faith came on the scene, the law did its best to keep us in line, restraining us until the faith that was to come was fully revealed.
24 So then, the law was like a tutor, assigned to train us and point us to the Anointed, so that we will be acquitted of all wrong and made right by faith.
25 But now that true faith has come, we have no need for a tutor. 26 It is your faith in the Anointed Jesus that makes all of you children of God

The law was meant to tutor or teach us about where we have erred!
It was also meant to show us what we were doing wrong!
The Mosaic law was meant to reveal to a sinner his very transgressions....
However, the law was not perfect or holy enough,just like the people of Israel,to justify or make us right with God!
Hence The faith which is Christ was revealed!
When we believe in Christ,we no longer need to be under the tutor of the law!



The tithe was a LAW just the same way circumcision was also a LAW OF MOSES!
The Law is as a WHOLE and when God annulled the Law,it was completely done!
Secondly, let me inform you that christ could not change any mosaic law simple because he was still UNDER THAT SAME LAW!
While christ was on earth as a jew,he fulfilled the obligations of the laws of moses!
Hence any law he quoted was to bring to you notice the imperfections of the mosaic law!
Let me explain...
When the adulterous woman was about to be condemned and stoned,what was the reply of Jesus?
7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.

Did he question the law?
He knew the punishment for adultery as contained in the law,however never said anything against it!
But he only used wisdom to stop the woman from being stoned to death!
He knew he was UNDER THE LAW but he never CHANGED THE LAW contrary to what you said!
The other laws you erroneously claimed were changed or abolished by Christ in human form was actually done after his death and resurrection!

Please can i ask you a question....in the parable of the Good Samaritan,The PRIEST AND LEVITE were unable to help the man that was almost at the point of death...WHY?




Bro when it comes to the scriptures,you don't just make assumptions or guesswork!
God does not play dice!
He said a covenant and its ordinances have been annulled due to its imperfections,uselessness and worthlessness!
The Law had its purpose...it was to show a SINNER his TRANSGRESSIONS....
However the Law was not powerful enough to make us right with him!
If God says the laws of moses which he called holy is not meant to bring you CLOSE to him simply because it has become obsolete and useless,why are you still TRYING TO FORCE YOURSELF TO USE IT?

The law cant be taken and broken into bits where one decides which to obey or which one to leave out!
Its either you observe the ENTIRE LAWS OF MOSES or You DON'T DO ANY AT ALL!
The scriptures said so not me!

Galatians 3:10-11
10 For ALL who rely on the WORKS OF THE LAW are under a CURSE, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.

James 2:10-11
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[b] also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

alBHAGDADI:
This long epistle is as useless as the word it is.

alBHAGDADI:
You have been saying the law has been changed and also saying it has ended.
Which one are you saying exactly?

alBHAGDADI:
If it has been changed, does that mean it has ended? If has been changed, what has the law against having sex with your sister changed into?
You don't know. If it has ended, does that mean you can now go and have sex with your sister?

alBHAGDADI:
Your last Bible passages is also wrongly understood.
According to your understanding, do you know you are placing yourself under curse for not committing murder or sleeping with your mother which are things the law warns against?

alBHAGDADI:
I told you already that those things which God spoke in the law which he wants discarded, he mentioned them in the new testament. However, the ones he never ended still holds. Otherwise, it is not a sin if a man worships another God, because according to you, since the law ended, we should no longer obey God's word that says we should worship him alone.

alBHAGDADI:
This long epistle is as useless as the word it is. You have been saYing the law has been changed and also saying it has ended. Which one are you saying exactly? If it has been changed, does that mean it has ended? If has been changed, what has the law against having sex with your sister changed into? You don't know. If it has ended, does that mean you can now go and have sex with your sister?

alBHAGDADI:
Your last Bible passages is also wrongly understood. According to your understanding, do you know you are placing yourself under curse for not committing murder or sleeping with your mother which are things the law warns against?

alBHAGDADI:
I told you already that those things which God spoke in the law which he wants discarded, he mentioned them in the new testament. However, the ones he never ended still holds. Otherwise, it is not a sin if a man worships another God, because according to you, since the law ended, we should no longer obey God's word that says we should worship him alone.

MuttleyLaff:
[b]I know, I know you are not here for debate
Let us reason together.

1/ Why do you tithe then?
2/ Why the fixation on 10%? Why is it fixed?
3/ Why not some another percentage other than 10%?

You are accusing me with "tend to get very sarcastic and angry when people disagree with you" allegations that are completely false
I have not being sarcastic and I am not angry
I wrote out of love and because I stand up for the truth, justice, mercy, and faith.
I dont know how to love you and anyone else for that matter half way.
It has to be full on or nothing

Please show me when and where "take it to a gutter level" occurred

Take good care but please remember all these and especially the slave part
I have more to say, more to post but I'll hold my peace and make do with this post as it is.

PS: Please feel free to ask any question(s) or question me on anything I've posted,
Please do, now, in the future or anytime.

MuttleyLaff:
OK, I understand now what the problem is with you
and so I will lower the bar, just for you.

nelsonoba, it is because the Bible in the original text used the word murder in the 10 commandments and not the word kill.

There is a difference between kill and murder which you don't seem to be aware of or don't seem to be able to tell them apart.

You are only going to be showing yourself up and publicly displaying your ignorance on this path you are towing.
Just quit whilst ahead and without further showing your cluelessness

nelsonoba:
No problem, let's keep the bar on the floor level so you understand my question when I ask it again;

MURDER WAS A SIN ACCORDING TO THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, SO WHY IS MURDER STILL A SIN TODAY EVEN AFTER "THE LAW HAS BEEN ABOLISHED"?

CodeTemplar:
Mathew 23:23 nails tithe down finally.
Jesus only reordered the list and put those other weightier matters above tithe but never cancelled tithe from the list.

Even Hebrews too support tithe conclusively.

Julivas:
Exactly that is my own understanding of that verse too

nelsonoba:
No problem, let's keep the bar on the floor level so you understand my question when I ask it again;

MURDER WAS A SIN ACCORDING TO THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, SO WHY IS MURDER STILL A SIN TODAY EVEN AFTER "THE LAW HAS BEEN ABOLISHED"?

OkaiCorne:
Are you aware Matthew 23 v 23 was referring to the Mosaic Law?


Does the Mosaic Law apply to Christians?

Julivas:
No we are under the new covenant which is Christ Jesus, and Jesus said in Matthew 5 : 17 that ....... “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Julivas:
Tithe or no tithe, in the epistles of Apostle Paul, we are admonished to give generously, not by force but willingly, even more than one tenth of what we have.