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openmine:
bro please ohh do you want to kill them?

He must not cut his hair — Num. 6:5
219. He must not drink wine, wine mixtures, or wine vinegar — Num. 6:3
220. He must not eat fresh grapes — Num. 6:3
221. He must not eat raisins — Num. 6:3
222. He must not eat grape seeds — Num. 6:4

@ nelsonoba and alBHAGDADI did not notice these stringent rules God made on tithing. They are yet to show one Bible verse where Jesus reversed these;

249. To separate the "tithe for the poor" — Deut. 14:28
262. Not to spend its redemption money on anything but food, drink, or ointment — Deut. 26:14
265. Not to eat Ma'aser Sheni (tithe) grains outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
266. Not to eat Ma'aser Sheni (tithe) wine products outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
267. Not to eat Ma'aser Sheni (tithe) oil outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
269. To read the confession of tithes every fourth and seventh year — Deut. 26:13
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33

Please where did Jesus/Apostles modify all these rules on tithing since according to the pro-tithers, Jesus supported tithing in Matthew 23 v 23?

alBHAGDADI:
I'm glad you brought this up. It clearly shows you don't even known what tithing is. Tithing is different from GIVING. When you give someone something, it serves as a gift or an offering. It never belonged to the person, hence you can say you are just giving the person.

2 Corinthians 9:6-7
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him GIVE ; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.



But tithing is not giving but paying. It belongs to God that's why you have to pay it, not give it. That's even why God said the people were ROBBING him when they failed to bring the tithe into his storehouse. If you live in a rented house and you haven't paid your rent in two years, it means you are owing your landlord and robbing him by enjoying his property for free. But when you decide to pay your rent, you can't use the word GIVE because it is not a gift but a debt you PAID.

Notice how Jesus used the word PAY when speaking of tithing.

Mathew 23:23
 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


Also notice how the Pharisee in verse 12 used the word GIVE.

Luke 18:10-14
14 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Notice how Jesus slammed him because he was exalting himself thinking he was GIVING it voluntarily without knowing it was required of him because it is a debt. He thought he deserves God's listening hear just because he tithes. He doesn't know that the tithe which he says he gives is actually God's property. You cant say you are giving me a gift when the actual thing is my property. The tithe is the Lord's.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.

Your argument on tithing as something to PAY is dead on arrival.

Look at Matthew 23 v 23 - NIV version. It clearly states tithes are GIVEN!

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

The Mosaic Law (Old Covenant) was fulfilled by the death and resurrection of Jesus.

After the new covenant was ushered in... where did the Apostles admonish the early christians to tithe?

nelsonoba:
Your problem is that you don't know the meaning of the word "money". You are confusing currency with money. To educate you a bit; ALL CURRENCY IS MONEY, BUT NOT ALL MONEY IS CURRENCY. Go and do your proper research on the difference between the two of them before coming to display your gross ignorance. To a farmer, AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE IS MONEY!

On a side note, let me tow your line of reasoning... "to a fisherman, fish is money" ... BUT did God include fish as part of the items to be tithed?

God specifically asked for crops and livestock to be tithed.

Please can you show us the exact scripture where God requested for "currency" as part of the items to be tithed? Bear in mind that gold and silver also served as currency when God gave the instruction on tithing.

Where did God's request on titheable change from farm produce and livestock into gold/silver (back then) or cash (today)?

nelsonoba:
Then also, you ask what sin Abraham would have been committing by not paying TITHE? Why don't you start by asking Abraham who gave him the idea of TITHING? Was it Lucifer? Why didn't God reject the tithe when Abraham paid it if it wasn't God that gave him the idea?

There are a lot of historical evidences that tithing from war spoils was an ancient Mesopotamian custom...

I am still asking you for scriptural references where God mandated Abram or Jacob to tithe. What sin would Abram commit if he did not tithe?

Please show us where in the scriptures God gave Abram the idea to tithe... AND

And why Abram's once in a lifetime tithe from war spoils should serve as a basis for Christians to part with 10% of their monthly income



@nelsonoba, I'm still awaiting your response

alBHAGDADI:
Stop dancing about with this your "the law has ended" talk. You asked for verses that show that God retained some parts of the law and discarded some, but here is what you are coming up with?

Once again...ever learning but never understanding!
Your problem sincerely speaking is that you lack understanding about word usage!
When something is CHANGED,it implies that it has been REPLACED or EXCHANGED for some thing BETTER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED!
Can you use a nokia 3310 green screen phone to browse?
When something is replaced,it becomes old and inferior,hence its usefulness is zero!
Its END has come simply because it seizes to be of any use to anyone!

Now let me show you a simple scripture and highlight the key words just incase you have issues with your sight

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 The LAW OF MOSES is now ENDED because it was weak and worthless. 19 The LAW OF MOSES could not make anything perfect. But now a BETTER HOPE has been given to US. And with that HOPE we can come near to God.

Hebrews 7:12
12 And when a different kind of priest comes, then THE LAW OF MOSES MUST be CHANGED too.

These scriptures once again can be found in the bible....

If after seeing these simple and easy to read verses and you still can't comprehend,It either means you lack understanding of simple English terms or you have a problem with your sight!
Oga please stop disgracing yourself with simple English terms that are so easy to understand

alBHAGDADI:
You say the law ended but I showed you it changed, and the parts God wanted changed got changed. Before it was an eye for an eye, now it is turn the other cheek.

Bro you are seriously having issues with two simple words CHANGE AND END?
That's too humiliating nah
Do you want me to teach you about the relationship between CHANGE and END?
When you CHANGE/REPLACE an old rusty wood for a new one,that old rusty wood has lost its USEFULNESS,hence its time has come to an END!
Am trying to be as simplified as possible,but deep inside am really disappointed!
If you cant comprehend simple terms,what will you be preaching to people?

alBHAGDADI:
You keep saying the law of Christ without actually pointing to what that law is. Perhaps you don't even know where it is written in the Bible. The only two instances were the phrase the law of Christ is mentioned are seen below.

Galatians 6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:21
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

So what is the law of Christ? It is the command Christ gave to his followers which is that they should love one another.

John 15:12
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


Jesus also emphasized on the law of love by showing that it also exists in the law of Moses. As a matter of fact, he stated love as the greatest and second most greatest commandment in the law.

Mathew 22:36-40

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


Now tell me how the verses in the law as seen below doesn't correlate with Jesus commandment of love.

Deuteronomy 6:5
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Ohh finally,at least we are going some where
Atleast you tried to read a scripture i put up out of curiosity!

Now let me explain one more time with scriptures....
Romans 13:8-10
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Galatians 5:14
14 For the ENTIRE LAW is FULFILLED in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

Galatians 6:2
2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will accomplish the law of Christ.

Galatians 5:18
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not UNDER THE LAW.

The scriptures i have given you shows that CHRIST LAW IS LOVE!
Christ Law was the fulfillment of the law!
The entire law gave way to the law of Christ!

It was the LAW OF CHRIST that Paul was talking about in this scripture....

Galatians 3:23-25
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody UNDER THE LAW, locked up until the faith that WAS TO COME would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that THIS FAITH HAS COME, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW!

Whether there are similarities between the law of Christ and some laws is inconsequential!
The important thing to know is that LOVE IS the REASON THE LAW of MOSES WAS CHANGED AND THEREBY PUT TO AN END!

alBHAGDADI:
Remember Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. So stop talking as if the law ended when it is clear that Christ came to enlighten us that everything hinges on loving God and our neighbor.

First of all,Its really wrong to drag out scriptures without having corresponding scriptures to accompany it!
No scripture is of private interpretation(2 Peter 1:20-21)
Hence, properly understanding the reason behind Matthew 5:17 will give you a better perspective using other corresponding scriptures!

Before i attempt to explain Matthew 5:17,
Let me make you understand something....You said i should stop saying "the law has ended" as if i was the one who put that scripture there...
i was never the one who wrote in the scripture that the law of Moses was changed and ended....The scriptures which you saw in Hebrews 7:18-19 is enough validation!
If you can't deal with the truth contained there then that's not my concern or problem!

Now Let me explain Matthew 5:17 using corresponding scriptures to draw a connection!
Christ said "i have not come to abolish but to FULFILL the LAW OF MOSES!"

First,what is the Greek meaning of the word FULFILL?

The Old Testament. The concept of fulfillment is expressed chiefly by the Hebrew words mala [ael'm], "fulfill, accomplish, terminate, " and kala [a'l'K], "be finished, completed."

The first of these terms is often used of God bringing to fruition something that he has promised, and is thus important in the context of prophetic utterances.


However for the New Testament. The Greek vocabulary for fulfillment consists of the terms pleroo [plhrovw], "to fill, " which reflects the sense of the Hebrew mala [ael'm], and teleo [televw], "TO COMPLETE/ACCOMPLISH A PURPOSE, BRING TO AN END, " along with their cognate forms.

Now these explanations will make no sense if i don't offer scriptures to show the connection with the word FULFILL!

Galatians 5:14
14 For THE ENTIRE LAW IS "FULFILLED" in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.


Romans 13:8-10
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for WHOEVER LOVES HAS FULFILLED THE LAW OF MOSES.

9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and WHATEVER ANY OTHER LAWS SAYS, ARE summed up in this ONE COMMAND: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW.

The purpose of the law was to direct us to Christ...hence the law has accomplished its purpose.

Mobilia:
Oh I didn't know that you were the commander-in-chief of the battle. Sorry...
I saw the thread, decided to read the OP and then comment. I have disagreed with him on other areas of scripture.
See, it's about the scriptures.
I've talked about tithes a few times before on the Religion thread under my old moniker.
So the debate is not new.
I'm not here for debate. I just happen to agree with the concept of tithing.
I answered your question with a "yes" by my answer.
It was necessary to "break down" the ways in which I "give".
One is obligatory and the other is through my own conscience.
Yes, I give 10 percent of my "firstfruit" which would be my income each month.
If I had multiple jobs, I would take 10 percent out of those.
I have no problem in doing so....
I should want to do so.
Even if I would happen to be "wrong" by your view, it doesn't hurt to give to the Lord's church.
You write quite a bit oftentimes here on N.L.
In fact, I've never seen you write less than 1 paragraph.
So I've only done what I've seen you do a million times over. Answer a question with more than a "yes" or "no".
I don't really subscribe to the idea of "prosperity gospel"..which several churches in the U.S. build their congregations upon.
I also don't believe that pastors should EVER force or threaten congregations to give.
However, I answer to the Supreme God..and have an obligation to Him and Him alone.
I personally would never attend a church that heavily emphasizes "money" all of the time.
However, money has its place in the church.
God has commanded us to "give" in order to help us to be grateful and less selfish.
Really it's about obedience.
He doesn't need 1 penny from us...and to be honest, this entire galaxy belongs to Him.
We are supposed to be good stewards of what He has allowed us to get.
Now if ungodly, greedy, corrupt and vile men squander the tithes/offerings, then they have to stand before the Lord one day and give an account.
Now my giving of tithe and offering can be done with a corrupt heart and my refusal to give a tithe and offering can be done with a corrupt heart.
If my heart's corrupt, then there's still a major issue that must be dealt with.
That being said, that does NOT exempt me from my obligation...regardless of which church I attend.
The blessings I get are not always monetary...they could be protection from an unforeseen dangerous event, a child being born, a neighbor having a successful surgery, an unexpected gift, an encouraging word etc.
I don't tithe because I expect something from God. It isnt a "barter and trade" type of relationship.
I am not exempted from loss of any kind be it job, illness, home or death because I give either.
I do it because I love the Lord and want to be obedient to Him.
The "law of liberty" also requires something....
I am saved by GRACE THEREFORE I live a life pleasing to God because I love Him and am forever grateful.

One thing I've noticed about you is that you tend to get very sarcastic and angry when people disagree with you. Folks aren't always gonna agree with you...but no need to take it to a "gutter" level.

P.S. I wasn't saying that you showed me favoritism. I was just acknowledging a mention..since ALL males on the forum were told to avoid, ignore and not converse with me.
Therefore, I thank you...although your mention has been very combative.
Take care

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Our work is the seed Mobilia.
How can people trust the truth unless they see it sown?
Inside every seed is the potential for truth to be revealed
Truth crushed to earth is truth still Mobilia and like a seed will rise again

I know villains play the victim so well especially to circumstances they very well create
I dont mind unjustly being lambasted by you Mobilia
and that's because I understand and understand you.

PS: I actually do like eating as evidenced here again
and that's not sarcasm or beng sarcastic

nelsonoba:
Yes indeed!
I am a slave to righteousness as Apostle Paul spoke of in Romans 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

You are not just a bonafide confirmed and certfied SLAVE
but you also double up as a fraud

Do you know why you are a shameless fraudster?
You are a shameless fraudster because:
1/ You are doing the complete opposite of what's in Romans 6:18
2/ You are doing a complete and totally different type of tithing that is not recognisable to the Levitical tithing or Abraham kind of tithing
3/ The bible made you free from the sin of participating in obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving but you have "joba sibe"
4/ You havent become servants to righteousness, rather you are slave of sin and corruption

People are slaves to whatever has mastered them.
Those who lord over you, taking a tenth of your sweat from your brow, you have become a slave to.

You are not to pay tithe at all for the following 10 reasons
1.) You are not a Jew or an Israelite, who was commanded by God to pay tithe from cultivating crops or breeding and raising livestock (e.g. cows and/or lambs) in the Promised Land
2.) The tithe commanded by God was meant to be given ONLY in Israel, meant to be paid ONLY in Israel and meant to be received ONLY in Israel
3.) The methodolody used for selecting the tithe, was to hand-pick for tithe, the tenth livestock (e.g. cows, lambs) that passes under the rod
4.) The implication of #3 above, is that if you started with 1 livestock (e.g. 1 cow or 1 lamb) and at the end of year, bred and raised 9 cows or 1 lamb, then you dont pay tithe for that year
5.) Tithe were received ONLY in Jerusalem and for convenience stored up in a number of Levitical cities scattered all over Israel
6.) Where an Israelite is supposed to pay tithe on sales, is when ONLY buying back the tithe
(i.e. buying back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops)
- there however, is a warning that the Israelite pays the going rate or value of the bought back tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops tithe, plus 20 percent.
7.) The bible is a book of divisions, where some parts, like tithe part, was meant for and talking exclusively to the Israelites and no one else
8.) The common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Israelites tithings) is a high priest or Levite physically receiving the tithe
9.) The implication of #8 above, is that a pastor is neither a high priest or Levite, hence has no business receiving tithe nor have any jurisdiction over tithe.
10.) Tithe was an obligatory and mandatory giving command made to the Israelite

Contributions which are voluntary and optional is the sort of giving expected from a believer(s)
It is what a believer decides in the heart and is comfortable with to give that God expects
Also believers shouldn't be sorry that they have given or feel forced in response to pressure to give

nelsonoba, can you see from the above conservative 10 reasons, why you're not to participate in obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving?

Obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is shrouded with fraud, fear (i.e. lack of faith) and greed
Obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithing is misguided and is illegally being used to keep organised religion and ministeries going.
Obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithing is not how and/or with what the disciples, Peter, James, Paul etcetera led and/or ran the early church.

nelsonoba, you are, no a slave to righteousness.
You dont know the meaning of righteousness nelsonoba.
If you did, you wouldnt misuse and abuse the phrase with such impunity like you did
nelsonoba, you are slave of sin, corruption and above all, you're a slave to the tithe lord(s)

nelsonoba:
I would advise you to read Romans 6:14-23 it will help you a lot.

I told you, that if you dont run away, you will get an education from reading and staying on this thread, you'll get education in a compelling way
You certainly slowly and surely are now learning and reading up getting extra education to what you being confronted with left, right, centre, top and bottom on this on this post.
You've been forced, to go brush up your bible, on slave etcetera

nelsonoba:
I can now see that you have been lied to
that you now believe there is a new "more powerful law that excludes tithing"

Please humour me.
1/ What is tithing?
2/ Which are you talking of? Is it the Levitical tithing or Abraham kind of tithing?

You think you can with this, somehow wriggle out of this hole and absurdity you've found yourself in
Don't even try, as you'll only make it harder on yourself

There is no greater freedom than the freedom to be able to, all by yourself, decide in your heart what you want to give
There is nothing greater than given a liberty that sets you free from a fixed and predetermined percentage
Love does not claim possession, but gives freedom.
God has given us total freedom to be ourself to choose

nelsonoba:
Pls I ask you again; who did the separation of these laws
and where in the bible did God mention that MURDER IS INCLUDED IN THIS NEW MORE POWERFUL LAW, BUT TITHING IS EXCLUDED??

For you to ask where in the bible did God mention that MURDER IS INCLUDED IN THIS NEW MORE POWERFUL LAW, BUT TITHING IS EXCLUDED
is a very strong and good indication that you are knowledgeable ignorant
You are groping in the dark with this question, hoping, some way with it, must be for you, to continue in obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving

nelsonoba, please humour me again, will you
1/ Where in the bible did God tell Adam and Eve that murder is unrighteous and sin?
2/ Where in the bible did God tell Adam and Eve to tithe?

"When I was a child, I was speaking like a child,
I was thinking like a child, I was reasoning like a child;
when I became a man, I did away with the things of the child."
- 1 Corinthians 13:11

You're beginning to get it now? Right? Arent you?
The penny is dropping. Yeah?
nelsonoba, believers, we, have come of age and 1 Corinthians 13:11 above attests to that

It is a full circle nelsonoba, a complete tunabout to the original position.
We are lead back to the original position and situation where murder doesnt need to included
and tithing doest need to be excluded in the superior, better and more powerful law before we know what to do about or concerning them

nelsonoba, for the law of the Spirit, of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death.
You do understand what is meant by the law of the Spirit, dont you?
We now have the law of freedom, the law of liberty, we are given the freedom to choose
There is no more constancy of operation, nothing is to be uniform and/or fixed
Like for example, obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe is fixed at 10% isnt it?
Tithe is ten percent, isnt it?

We are free from the bondage of tithing and I know you know that
Wouldnt you agree and accept that, without fear or favour,
one can give lesser or greater than tithe (i.e. can give less or more than tenth, 10%, 0.1 or 1/10) provided it is from a cheerful heart?

nelsonoba:
I will like you to quote the exact scripture where you saw TITHING mentioned in this your LAW-FILTRATION PROCESS

nelsonoba after what you just read up there, if you like you to find a black cat in a dark room, especially when there is no cat, then please be my guest, and go ahead, you have my blessing.

Obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is illegitimate under the law of the Spirit
cc Mobilia, alBHAGDADI, OkCornel, openmine

alBHAGDADI:
And when we tell you guys that God was in support of tithing even before the law,
in that his Son Jesus as Melchizedek received tithe from Abraham, you guys kick against such notion.

God is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever. What ever he was against prior to the law still stands.

SMH, I have just realised you are more confused than a chameleon trapped in a box of skittles
Was God in the beginning, in support of tithing, in the Eden?

I am sorry to say alBHAGDADI, but there is an awful lot of empty rhetorics written in your post and others similar to yours
and I believe the reason is due to the poor understanding of the meaning ""no one knew Melchizedek birth or death"
All due to poor understanding of why it was Melchizedek, Abraham opted to give the spoils of war tithe to
Poor understanding of the customary law behind the tithe Abraham gave
Poor understanding of the circumstances of how the Levi got given the office of the priesthood
Plenty and lots of poor understandings, there are too much to continue mentioning

alBHAGDADI:
I'm glad you brought this up. It clearly shows you don't even known what tithing is.
Tithing is different from GIVING.
When you give someone something, it serves as a gift or an offering.
It never belonged to the person, hence you can say you are just giving the person.

There you will bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes,
your sacred offerings, your offerings to fulfill a vow, your voluntary offerings,
and your offerings of the firstborn animals of your herds and flocks.
- Deuteronomy 12:6

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
- Malachi 3:8

Of course, tithing is not offering, if it was offering, like you mistakenly assume it to be,
then there wont be a distinction between tithes and offerings, as being shown in Deuteronomy 12:6 and Malachi 3:8 above

alBHAGDADI:
2 Corinthians 9:6-7
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him GIVE ; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

But tithing is not giving but paying. It belongs to God that's why you have to pay it, not give it.
That's even why God said the people were ROBBING him when they failed to bring the tithe into his storehouse.
If you live in a rented house and you haven't paid your rent in two years,
it means you are owing your landlord and robbing him by enjoying his property for free.
But when you decide to pay your rent, you can't use the word GIVE because it is not a gift but a debt you PAID.

Notice how Jesus used the word PAY when speaking of tithing.

Mathew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin,
and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith:
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Also notice how the Pharisee in verse 12 used the word GIVE.

Luke 18:10-14
14 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Notice how Jesus slammed him because he was exalting himself thinking he was GIVING it voluntarily without knowing it was required of him because it is a debt.
He thought he deserves God's listening hear just because he tithes.
He doesn't know that the tithe which he says he gives is actually God's property.
You cant say you are giving me a gift when the actual thing is my property. The tithe is the Lord's.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.

The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, to tithe
and so when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility to tithe, is no longer required or needed
It was under that present circumstances alBHAGDADI, that Jesus says to tithe, and not the thereafter

alBHAGDADI, the only tithes to God are:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to the priest (e.g. Levite)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to a priest cum king (i.e. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) alBHAGDADI are given
1) at pagan temples to priest(s) (note alBHAGDADI extra biblical references will be provided upon request, same with #3 below)
2) Upon the king's demand's (note alBHAGDADI bible references will be provided upon request)
3) to local ruler cum priest worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war

This is breaking it further down for easier understanding alBHAGDADI:
1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe,
The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law
It so happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing,
as a form of contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means

In fact, the tithing subtle difference, is that it is NOT obligatory or imposed

Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably
So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means,
I technically have given a tithe,
Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead giving it

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving
but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing
because the giving could more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
(i.e. voluntary tithe, voluntarily giving 10%)
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself
How much you give, changes according to the ammount or percentage, you willingly decide to give

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, which is dead with the law
and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

alBHAGDADI, correctively, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

Go check out Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9 alBHAGDADI
God is doing a full circle with this

Bravo! Encore!! You could see I am impressed
reading you scoring multiple own goals all over your post and elsewhere on this thread. Bwahahaha ha.

alBHAGDADI now jokes apart
Look, here is a chance after you've finished reading ALL I've posted up here, to redeem your image and self
1/ Why alBHAGDADI, did Abram had to tithe, because it certainly was not because he was asked by God to?
2/ Why did Jacob vow to give tithe to God when he said "I will surely give You a tenth."?
3/ Why alBHAGDADI, was it that, it was after 400 years plus of Jacob's vow, that God had the temerity to demand tithe from Israel?
4/ Now alBHAGDADI, don't believe the sold lie that Jacob tithed,
but if you do and are a victim of that deception
please tell how, where, why, how and whom Jacob could have possibly tithed?
5/ Following on with #1 above, what's the significant reason why it's Melchizedek who was Abraham's preferred choice to hand over tithe to?
6/ What would you accept and agree as the common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Levitical tithing) is?

Let me see how you react and respond to the above simple six questions
cc Mobilia, nelsonoba, OkCornel, openmine

alBHAGDADI:
Let me add one more

How can Jesus be supporting the entire law of Moses, yet he kicked against an eye for an eye by saying we shouldn't in the other cheek?

Bros, these guys have run out of excuses. they are now confusing themselves with their own theologies and desperately looking for anything to say, even if it doesn't make sense. They think it's by shouting, and that who shouts loudest and speaks biggest grammar IS RIGHT even if the person is talking OP

MuttleyLaff:
SMH, I have just realised you are more confused than a chameleon trapped in a box of skittles
Was God in the beginning, in support of tithing, in the Eden?

I am sorry to say alBHAGDADI, but there is an awful lot of empty rhetorics written in your post and others similar to yours
and I believe the reason is due to the poor understanding of the meaning ""no one knew Melchizedek birth or death"
All due to poor understanding of why it was Melchizedek, Abraham opted to give the spoils of war tithe to
Poor understanding of the customary law behind the tithe Abraham gave
Poor understanding of the circumstances of how the Levi got given the office of the priesthood
Plenty and lots of poor understandings, there are too much to continue mentioning

There you will bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes,
your sacred offerings, your offerings to fulfill a vow, your voluntary offerings,
and your offerings of the firstborn animals of your herds and flocks.
- Deuteronomy 12:6

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
- Malachi 3:8

Of course, tithing is not offering, if it was offering, like you mistakenly assume it to be,
then there wont be a distinction between tithes and offerings, as being shown in Deuteronomy 12:6 and Malachi 3:8 above

The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, to tithe
and so when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility to tithe, is no longer required or needed
It was under that present circumstances alBHAGDADI, that Jesus says to tithe, and not the thereafter

alBHAGDADI, the only tithes to God are:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to the priest (e.g. Levite)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to a priest cum king (i.e. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) alBHAGDADI are given
1) at pagan temples to priest(s) (note alBHAGDADI extra biblical references will be provided upon request, same with #3 below)
2) Upon the king's demand's (note alBHAGDADI bible references will be provided upon request)
3) to local ruler cum priest worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war

This is breaking it further down for easier understanding alBHAGDADI:
1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe,
The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law
It so happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing,
as a form of contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means

In fact, the tithing subtle difference, is that it is NOT obligatory or imposed

Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably
So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means,
I technically have given a tithe,
Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead giving it

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving
but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing
because the giving could more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
(i.e. voluntary tithe, voluntarily giving 10%)
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself
How much you give, changes according to the ammount or percentage, you willingly decide to give

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, which is dead with the law
and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

alBHAGDADI, correctively, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

Go check out Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9 alBHAGDADI
God is doing a full circle with this

Bravo! Encore!! You could see I am impressed
reading you scoring multiple own goals all over your post and elsewhere on this thread. Bwahahaha ha.

alBHAGDADI now jokes apart
Look, here is a chance after you've finished reading ALL I've posted up here, to redeem your image and self
1/ Why alBHAGDADI, did Abram had to tithe, because it certainly was not because he was asked by God to?
2/ Why did Jacob vow to give tithe to God when he said "I will surely give You a tenth."?
3/ Why alBHAGDADI, was it that, it was after 400 years plus of Jacob's vow, that God had the temerity to demand tithe from Israel?
4/ Now alBHAGDADI, don't believe the sold lie that Jacob tithed,
but if you do and are a victim of that deception
please tell how, where, why, how and whom Jacob could have possibly tithed?
5/ Following on with #1 above, what's the significant reason why it's Melchizedek who was Abraham's preferred choice to hand over tithe to?
6/ What would you accept and agree as the common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Levitical tithing) is?

Let me see how you react and respond to the above simple six questions
cc Mobilia, nelsonoba, OkCornel, openmine

I am not answering your questions until you provide answer to my initial question, which I am going to ask you again. And i need a chapter and verse, where God mentioned tithing as one of the things to be done away with. If you can't provide an exact chapter and verse mentioning TITHING as something to be done away with, then you need to step aside let the TITHE MOVEMENT MARCH FORWARD OR YOU MAY BE TRAMPLED ON THE GROUND IF YOU DECIDE TO KEEP BLOCKING OUR WAY, because Jesus said 'I will build my church and the gates of hell (you can include Daddy Freeze's name here if you wish) shall not prevail'.

QUESTION AGAIN: I will like you to quote the exact scripture where you saw TITHING mentioned in this your LAW-FILTRATION PROCESS

nelsonoba:
I am not answering your questions until you provide answer to my initial question, which I am going to ask you again. And i need a chapter and verse, where God mentioned tithing as one of the things to be done away with. If you can't provide an exact chapter and verse mentioning TITHING as something to be done away with, then you need to step aside let the TITHE MOVEMENT MARCH FORWARD OR YOU MAY BE TRAMPLED ON THE GROUND IF YOU DECIDE TO KEEP BLOCKING OUR WAY, because Jesus said 'I will build my church and the gates of hell (you can include Daddy Freeze's name here if you wish) shall not prevail'.

QUESTION AGAIN: I will like you to quote the exact scripture where you saw TITHING mentioned in this your LAW-FILTRATION PROCESS

If you are not infoxicated, you would have seen that I have already answered your question and done more

You find reading information and gaining knowledge from it, a challenging thing for you to do.
Your concentration level and attention to truthful points or details is abysmal.

I have answered your question,
so please stop behaving like a prat or a laughing hyena, go ahead answering the questions
and stop keeping people waiting for your responses

@ nelsonoba and alBHAGDADI where in the scriptures did Jesus or the Apostles change the following rules on tithing?

249. To separate the "tithe for the poor" — Deut. 14:28
262. Not to spend its redemption money on anything but food, drink, or ointment — Deut. 26:14
265. Not to eat Ma'aser Sheni (tithe) grains outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
266. Not to eat Ma'aser Sheni (tithe) wine products outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
267. Not to eat Ma'aser Sheni (tithe) oil outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
269. To read the confession of tithes every fourth and seventh year — Deut. 26:13
429. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
430. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33

Why isn't the church tithing in this manner since both of you insist tithing also applies to the Christians?

openmine:

Once again...ever learning but never understanding!
Your problem sincerely speaking is that you lack understanding about word usage!
When something is CHANGED,it implies that it has been REPLACED or EXCHANGED for some thing BETTER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED!
Can you use a nokia 3310 green screen phone to browse?
When something is replaced,it becomes old and inferior,hence its usefulness is zero!
Its END has come simply because it seizes to be of any use to anyone!

Now let me show you a simple scripture and highlight the key words just incase you have issues with your sight

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 The LAW OF MOSES is now ENDED because it was weak and worthless. 19 The LAW OF MOSES could not make anything perfect. But now a BETTER HOPE has been given to US. And with that HOPE we can come near to God.

Hebrews 7:12
12 And when a different kind of priest comes, then THE LAW OF MOSES MUST be CHANGED too.

These scriptures once again can be found in the bible....

If after seeing these simple and easy to read verses and you still can't comprehend,It either means you lack understanding of simple English terms or you have a problem with your sight!
Oga please stop disgracing yourself with simple English terms that are so easy to understand



Bro you are seriously having issues with two simple words CHANGE AND END?
That's too humiliating nah
Do you want me to teach you about the relationship between CHANGE and END?
When you CHANGE/REPLACE an old rusty wood for a new one,that old rusty wood has lost its USEFULNESS,hence its time has come to an END!
Am trying to be as simplified as possible,but deep inside am really disappointed!
If you cant comprehend simple terms,what will you be preaching to people?




Ohh finally,at least we are going some where
Atleast you tried to read a scripture i put up out of curiosity!

Now let me explain one more time with scriptures....
Romans 13:8-10
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Galatians 5:14
14 For the ENTIRE LAW is FULFILLED in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

Galatians 6:2
2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will accomplish the law of Christ.

Galatians 5:18
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not UNDER THE LAW.

The scriptures i have given you shows that CHRIST LAW IS LOVE!
Christ Law was the fulfillment of the law!
The entire law gave way to the law of Christ!

It was the LAW OF CHRIST that Paul was talking about in this scripture....

Galatians 3:23-25
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody UNDER THE LAW, locked up until the faith that WAS TO COME would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that THIS FAITH HAS COME, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW!

Whether there are similarities between the law of Christ and some laws is inconsequential!
The important thing to know is that LOVE IS the REASON THE LAW of MOSES WAS CHANGED AND THEREBY PUT TO AN END!




First of all,Its really wrong to drag out scriptures without having corresponding scriptures to accompany it!
No scripture is of private interpretation(2 Peter 1:20-21)
Hence, properly understanding the reason behind Matthew 5:17 will give you a better perspective using other corresponding scriptures!

Before i attempt to explain Matthew 5:17,
Let me make you understand something....You said i should stop saying "the law has ended" as if i was the one who put that scripture there...
i was never the one who wrote in the scripture that the law of Moses was changed and ended....The scriptures which you saw in Hebrews 7:18-19 is enough validation!
If you can't deal with the truth contained there then that's not my concern or problem!

Now Let me explain Matthew 5:17 using corresponding scriptures to draw a connection!
Christ said "i have not come to abolish but to FULFILL the LAW OF MOSES!"

First,what is the Greek meaning of the word FULFILL?

The Old Testament. The concept of fulfillment is expressed chiefly by the Hebrew words mala [ael'm], "fulfill, accomplish, terminate, " and kala [a'l'K], "be finished, completed."

The first of these terms is often used of God bringing to fruition something that he has promised, and is thus important in the context of prophetic utterances.


However for the New Testament. The Greek vocabulary for fulfillment consists of the terms pleroo [plhrovw], "to fill, " which reflects the sense of the Hebrew mala [ael'm], and teleo [televw], "TO COMPLETE/ACCOMPLISH A PURPOSE, BRING TO AN END, " along with their cognate forms.

Now these explanations will make no sense if i don't offer scriptures to show the connection with the word FULFILL!

Galatians 5:14
14 For THE ENTIRE LAW IS "FULFILLED" in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.


Romans 13:8-10
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for WHOEVER LOVES HAS FULFILLED THE LAW OF MOSES.

9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and WHATEVER ANY OTHER LAWS SAYS, ARE summed up in this ONE COMMAND: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW.

The purpose of the law was to direct us to Christ...hence the law has accomplished its purpose.

So we should garbage the law?

I often laugh when people quote Hebrew and Greek words to try to act inteligent even when we know they've never crossed into the old world.

If the law says love God, will you be loving him by witholding the tithe which he says belongs to him in Leviticus 27:30? Since when did God say his belongings are no longer his belongings? We've been asking you all to shows us where tithe got specifically stopped by God, you couldn't find. All you say is that the law has ended/changed, that's why tithing should end with it. Shouldn't the law against homosexuality end with also? You may say a man who loves God won't practice homosexuality, but isn't that him obeying the law which you say has ended? Or can't he also say since the law has been replaced with the law of love, then I have right to love a man as a woman? As long as you hold a man down with the law against homosexuality, then why can't you hold the same man down. with the law against not tithing?

please next time, stop partitioning my comment. It makes replying difficult especially when you write long words. I've typed enough already.

MuttleyLaff:
If you are not infoxicated, you would have seen that I have already answered your question and done more

You find reading information and gaining knowledge from it, a challenging thing for you to do.
Your concentration level and attention to truthful points or details is abysmal.

I have answered your question,
so please stop behaving like a prat or a laughing hyena, go ahead answering the questions
and stop keeping people waiting for your responses

Stop dodging the question oga. Your heavy grammar will not save you today. In case you did not understand my question, i will ask it again, but this time in bold prints;

I will like you to quote the exact scripture where you saw TITHING mentioned in this your LAW-FILTRATION PROCESS WHERE YOU SAID GOD WAS ABOLISHING IT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, AND THE WORD TITHE MUST BE MENTIONED IN THAT SCRIPTURE YOU ARE QUOTING TO SHOW GOD WAS REFERRING TO IT

I am waiting for your answer

alBHAGDADI:
So we should garbage the law?

Chai see another hilarious response!

Comon bro Not WE but GOD said so in the scriptures...haba

With all due respect to you bro but Are you okay?
Do you lack understanding of simple terms?
You read what the scriptures said and you still keep acting like the terms are strange to you?
If garbage is the term that you can understand about the end of the law,then so be it!
That's what is there....that's the truth!
Enough of this obvious benightedness!

alBHAGDADI:
I often laugh when people quote Hebrew and Greek words to try to act inteligent even when we know they've never crossed into the old world.

Bro you are not sound at all!
If i may ask...do you know which language the bible was written in before it was made in the English version?
The reason why you speak in such ignorant manner is that you don't even know the history of the belief you even profess and where it started from!
Your ignorance is way too obvious to even want to learn!

alBHAGDADI:
If the law says love God, will you be loving him by witholding the tithe which he says belongs to him in Leviticus 27:30? Since when did God say his belongings are no longer his belongings? We've been asking you all to shows us where tithe got specifically stopped by God, you couldn't find. All you say is that the law has ended/changed, that's why tithing should end with it. Shouldn't the law against homosexuality end with also? You may say a man who loves God won't practice homosexuality, but isn't that him obeying the law which you say has ended? Or can't he also say since the law has been replaced with the law of love, then I have right to love a man as a woman? As long as you hold a man down with the law against homosexuality, then why can't you hold the same man down. with the law against not tithing?

I think i now understand your confusion!
You are having issues with different dispensations and covenants hence you muddle them up and get even more confused!
I would have gone into details about the different dispensations just to enlighten you,however i doubt your over-bloated ego will let you understand!
But just to enlighten those who may stumble into this in future,
The LAW of Moses contains the law of tithe where you extracted from the scripture Leviticus 27:30,

Now God(not Me) SAW the IMPERFECTIONS( irregularity, abnormality, distortion, deformity, malformation) OF THE ENTIRE LAW AND DECIDED to CHANGE IT along with THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD AND THE MOSAIC COVENANT!
(Hebrews 7:11-28)
TITHING,JUST LIKE THE 614 LAWS,WAS PART AND PARCEL OF THIS LAW OF MOSES!

So if GOD,according to scriptures,said the ENTIRE/WHOLE LAWS of MOSES,which includes TITHE ,is OBSOLETE,WEAK and USELESS and MUST be put to an END for a BETTER LAW to ARISE(AND ALREADY HERE),
why do you keep insisting or even challenging the scriptures that God never ENDED the LAW OF MOSES?

Food for thought!

As it pertains homosexuality,

Romans 1:26-28(NIV)

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

(THE MESSAGE) VERSION
Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.
28-32 Since they didn’t bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose.

alBHAGDADI:
please next time, stop partitioning my comment. It makes replying difficult especially when you write long words. I've typed enough already.

Sorry bro but i need to respond differently to so many uncoordinated and disjointed points poorly strapped in a one sentence by you!
This is done So that you don't claim you never said such in the future!
Secondly,am taking my time to explain so that you don't misquote or misunderstand what i say since you are having issues comprehending simple english terms!

openmine:
Chai see another hilarious response!

Comon bro Not WE but GOD said so in the scriptures...haba

With all due respect to you bro but Are you okay?
Do you lack understanding of simple terms?
You read what the scriptures said and you still keep acting like the terms are strange to you?
If garbage is how you would like to label the law,then so be it!
That's what is there....that's the truth!
Enough of this obvious benightedness!



Bro you are not sound at all!
If i may ask...do you know which language the bible was written in before it was made in the English version?
The reason why you speak in such ignorant manner is that you don't even know the history of the belief you even profess and where it started from!
Your ignorance is way too obvious to even want to learn!



I think i now understand your confusion!
You are having issues with different dispensations and covenants hence you muddle them up and get even more confused!
I would have gone into details about the different dispensations just to enlighten you,however i doubt your over-bloated ego will let you understand!
But just to enlighten those who may stumble into this in future,
The LAW of Moses contains the law of tithe where you extracted from the scripture Leviticus 27:30,

Now God(not Me) SAW the IMPERFECTIONS( irregularity, abnormality, distortion, deformity, malformation) OF THE ENTIRE LAW AND DECIDED to CHANGE IT along with THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD AND THE MOSAIC COVENANT!
(Hebrews 7:11-28)
TITHING,JUST LIKE THE 614 LAWS,WAS PART AND PARCEL OF THIS LAW OF MOSES!

So if GOD,according to scriptures,said the ENTIRE/WHOLE LAWS of MOSES,which includes TITHE ,is OBSOLETE,WEAK and USELESS and MUST be put to an END for a BETTER LAW to ARISE(AND ALREADY HERE),
why do you keep insisting or even challenging the scriptures that God never ENDED the LAW OF MOSES?

Food for thought!

As it pertains homosexuality,

Romans 1:26-28(NIV)

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

(THE MESSAGE) VERSION
Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.
28-32 Since they didn’t bother to acknowledge God, God quit bothering them and let them run loose.


Sorry bro but i need to respond differently to so many uncoordinated and disjointed points poorly strapped in a one sentence by you!
This is done So that you don't claim you never said such in the future!
Secondly,am taking my time to explain so that you don't misquote or misunderstand what i say since you are having issues comprehending simple english terms!

alBHAGDADI is trying to validate the law and justify tithing, whereas Galatians 3 v 10 clearly states this;

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

OkCornel:
alBHAGDADI is trying to validate the law and justify tithing, whereas Galatians 3 v 10 clearly states this;

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

He is a bit confused about the different dispensations,hence he tries to combine both the old and new covenant!
My issues with him is the usage of simple terms that should never have been a hindrance!
I think he is also shocked to find out that the law has ended from the scriptures he saw!
He even though i was the one who wrote that the law has ended as if i was the one who wrote the bible
Even Paul made an explicit statement in Romans 10:4 about the LAW!


4 You see, God’s purpose for the law reaches its climax when the Anointed One arrives; now all who trust in Him can have their lives made right with God.

4 Christ ended the law so that everyone who believes in him is made right with God.

4 They don’t understand that Christ gives to those who trust in him everything they are trying to get by KEEPING THE LAWS. GOD ENDS all of that.

alBHAGDADI:
So we should garbage the law?

What kind of understanding and reasoning is this?

Laws are not garbaged alBAGHDADI.
They are made redundant, made inoperative, made useless, made ineffective,
made obsolete by the presence of another law that is superior, better and more powerful.

alBHAGDADI:
please next time, stop partitioning my comment.
It makes replying difficult especially when you write long words. I've typed enough already.

openmine:
Chai see another hilarious response!

Comon bro Not WE but GOD said so in the scriptures...haba

With all due respect to you bro but Are you okay?
Do you lack understanding of simple terms?
You read what the scriptures said and you still keep acting like the terms are strange to you?
If garbage is how the term that you understand about the end of the law, then so be it!
That's what is there....that's the truth!
Enough of this obvious benightedness!

Bro you are not sound at all!
If i may ask...do you know which language the bible was written in before it was made in the English version?
The reason why you speak in such ignorant manner
is that you don't even know the history of the belief you even profess and where it started from!
Your ignorance is way too obvious to even want to learn!

Sorry bro
but i need to respond differently to so many uncoordinated and disjointed points poorly strapped in a one sentence by you!
This is done So that you don't claim you never said such in the future!
Secondly, am taking my time to explain
so that you don't misquote or misunderstand what i say since you are having issues comprehending simple english terms!

Openmine, you see what we are dealing with here?

He wants to throw up loads of unbelievable rubbish
and expect you to roll over and not tackle, line by line, section by section
and blow for blow, each of the fabricated lies and invented truths he is strung together.

He wants to get away with murder without getting challenged on each and all fronts
He is complaining. Can you believe that

MuttleyLaff:
What kind of understanding and reasoning is this?

Laws are not garbaged alBAGHDADI.
They are made redundant, made inoperative, made useless, made ineffective,
made obsolete by the presence of another law that is superior, better and more powerful.



Openmine, you see what we are dealing with here?

He wants to throw up loads of unbelievable rubbish
and expect you to roll over and not tackle, line by line, section by section
and blow for blow, each of the fabricated lies and invented truths he is strung together.

He wants to get away with murder without getting challenged on each and all fronts
He is complaining. Can you believe that

I do....My only worry and fear is that these same brothers will go out and feed unsuspecting believers with these poor and uncoordinated doctrines!
Its really pathetic!

Was there Church in the era of Christ?

luvmijeje:
Was there Church in the era of Christ?

No there wasn't church
but then if one wants to debate it, there was congregation in the wilderness before the era of Christ.
Why do you ask?
What's this question about?
What are you driving at with this intriguing question?

MuttleyLaff:
No there wasn't church
but then if one wants to debate it, there was congregation in the wilderness before the era of Christ.
Why do you ask?
What's this question about?
What are you driving at with this intriguing question?

Thank you for asking.

Since there was no church, it simply means there was no room for offering and there was no room for tithe. So how could Christ have approved or dissaproved?

During the era of Christ, he never encouraged the forming of church. Rather he sent out men to go round the world to preach about the coming Kingdom.

How sure are we the building of Church is not anti-christ?

luvmijeje:
Thank you for asking.

Since there was no church, it simply means there was no room for offering and there was no room for tithe.
So how could Christ have approved or dissaproved?

You know this, I know this, and most of others too, as well know that
tithing was approved by Christ during and/or for a different dispensation that was under a different arrangement

luvmijeje:
During the era of Christ, he never encouraged the forming of church.
Rather he sent out men to go round the world to preach about the coming Kingdom.

Christ did encourage forming of church,
especially with sending out disciples to go round the world to preach
about the good news of the Kingdom and demonstrate the power of the Kingdom

This Christ did, inanticipation of the church He promised He is going to build

luvmijeje:
How sure are we the building of Church is not anti-christ?

How do you mean by this remark?
Please rephrase as it is coming out incomprehensible

MuttleyLaff:
You know this, I know this, and most of others too, as well know that
tithing was approved by Christ during and/or for a different dispensation that was under a different arrangement

Christ did encourage forming of church,
especially with sending out disciples to go round the world to preach
about the good news of the Kingdom and demonstrate the power of the Kingdom

This Christ did, inanticipation of the church He promised He is going to build

How do you mean by this remark?
Please rephrase as it is coming out incomprehensible

Luke 9:1-5

Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.

4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.

5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

How does the above correlate with the church of today?

luvmijeje:
Luke 9:1-5
How does the above correlate with the church of today?

Luke 9:1-5 has many possibilities to consider,
and without knowing what specifically you are on about
dare I say, I still am none the wiser with your earlier remark and latest one

MuttleyLaff:
Luke 9:1-5 has many possibilities to consider, without knowing what specifically you are on about
so dare I say, I still am none the wiser with your remark

Bullshit. I'll rephrase again, are the so called followers of Christ truly following the teaching of Christ in the context of the scripture I posted above?

luvmijeje:
Luke 9:1-5



How does the above correlate with the church of today?

Perhaps Matthew 16 v 17 - 18 can clarify;

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

OkCornel:
Perhaps Matthew 16 v 17 - 18 can clarify;

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

How does verse disqualified the instructions Christ gave to his disciples? How was it an instruction to start building churches? How was it an instructions to start collecting tithes and different kind of offerings?

luvmijeje:
Bullshit.

What time is it?
Ah just past one, as I was about going to say, a bit early in the morning, for colorful language

luvmijeje:
I'll rephrase again, are the so called followers of Christ truly following the teaching of Christ in the context of the scripture I posted above?

This is why I tried wanting to pin you down to know exactly
and unmistakenly find out what you are having gripes with

You see luvmijeje, the twelve in Luke 9:1-5 were on a training course and this is before the build of the church
Notice the highlight of training exercise is faith
centring on no dependence on human, no human effort, no human factor calculation, no human factor reliance

Notice also, no threats, no instilling fear, no promising of doom/gloom no intimidating remarks, no curses, just shake off the dust from your feet

MuttleyLaff:
What time is it?
Ah just past one, as I was about going to say, a bit early in the morning, for colorful language

This is why I tried wanting to pin you down to know exactly
and unmistakenly find out what you are having gripes with

You see luvmijeje, the twelve in Luke 9:1-5 were on a training course and this is before the build of the church
Notice the highlight of training exercise is faith
centring on no dependence on human, no human effort, no human factor calculation, no human factor reliance

Notice also, no threats, no instilling fear, no promising of doom/gloom no intimidating remarks, no curses, just shake off the dust from your feet

Hmmmm! Training course? Muttleylaff fear God o. The way you are twisting Christ instructions deh make me deh throw my bumbum for you.

luvmijeje:
Hmmmm! Training course?

Hmmmm!
SMH at you luvmijeje.
Why luvmijeje, why couldnt you have asked me to shed more light on my remark,
but instead you found it easier resorting to accusing me of twisting Christ instructions?

luvmijeje you should know better that now.
You're smart enough to know things like these.
To know that those twelve, for the past 18 months or thereabout, were on a training course with Christ
and that the event in Luke 9:1-5 is where and when very close to the end of Christ's earthly ministry that the twelve's training wheels came off

Quite rightly, the twelve disciples were persuaded by Christ to follow Him
so He can give them special training in how to be fishers of men
and all this, in preparation for laying the foundation for building of the church

Those twelve, with POWER & AUTHORITY were sent out in pairs. This is a test luvmijeje.
They are put through their paces to check their performance, reliability etcetera before being drafted into widespread and wider use.
What will they do when alone, when Christ is not there and so left to their own devices?
Would they obey, would they trust, would they have faith, would they deliver/have good successes?

luvmijeje, if you had put forward Matthew 28:18-20 instead of Luke 9:1-5,
maybe we wouldnt have been having this our intelligent discourse in this way or manner

I know luvmijeje, what you are on about, concerning ekklesia that Christ mentioned and what is paraded and fronted today to be ekklesia
but I dont want to make assumptions without seeing proof of it in black and white.

That's why I kept soliciting for more information to state clearly & in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, of what you're saying/asking

luvmijeje:
Muttleylaff fear God o.
The way you are twisting Christ instructions deh make me deh throw my bumbum for you.

luvmijeje, it is out of fear of God,
that, as a great way to say "thank you" but without a twisted mind or sexualised ulterior motive
I will plant my tender, soft, pale pink rose red lips against your bumbum, next time you throw the bumbum for me.

nelsonoba:
Your problem is that you don't know the meaning of the word "money". You are confusing currency with money. To educate you a bit; ALL CURRENCY IS MONEY, BUT NOT ALL MONEY IS CURRENCY. Go and do your proper research on the difference between the two of them before coming to display your gross ignorance. To a farmer, AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE IS MONEY!


Then also, you ask what sin Abraham would have been committing by not paying TITHE? Why don't you start by asking Abraham who gave him the idea of TITHING? Was it Lucifer? Why didn't God reject the tithe when Abraham paid it if it wasn't God that gave him the idea?

To a blacksmith, according to your logic, all iron implements are money. Why didn't god say they should bring one tenth of their hoes and cutlasses?

nelsonoba:
Your problem is that you don't know the meaning of the word "money". You are confusing currency with money. To educate you a bit; ALL CURRENCY IS MONEY, BUT NOT ALL MONEY IS CURRENCY. Go and do your proper research on the difference between the two of them before coming to display your gross ignorance. To a farmer, AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE IS MONEY!

Then also, you ask what sin Abraham would have been committing by not paying TITHE?
Why don't you start by asking Abraham who gave him the idea of TITHING? Was it Lucifer?
Why didn't God reject the tithe when Abraham paid it if it wasn't God that gave him the idea?

PastorAIO:
To a blacksmith, according to your logic, all iron implements are money.
Why didn't god say they should bring one tenth of their hoes and cutlasses?

https://www.nairaland.com/4906753/daddy-freeze-liar-tithing-very/20#74041262
I wished nelsonoba just paid attention to the pasted by MuttleyLaff: 8:55am On Dec 21 above link
He wouldnt have posted:
"Why don't you start by asking Abraham who gave him the idea of TITHING?...
Why didn't God reject the tithe when Abraham paid it if it wasn't God that gave him the idea?"

Look at nelsonoba scoring an own goal. SMH.