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| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Donelli: 4:47pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:Just to correct a few impressions: 1. I have lived among Yorubas for the most part of my younger years and I can make my own assessment first hand and not fables handed down from my ancestors. 2. I do not believe in the electoral process in Nigeria. I stand with Referendum. 3. I don't hate anyone, I just hate lies, deception, backbiting and barbarism. You know where you belong. 4. Of what strategic importance is settling a score with the Yorubas. That thought is borne out of inferiority complex. Same way if I speak my language near a Yoruba man he thinks I'm talking about him. We just want to do business, and yes, we are proud of our achievements. You don't hear the Hausas or Fulanis trying to downplay the contributions of the Igbo race to the local economies, it is always you Yorubas raising dust and when you're called out you turn around to scream hate. 5. It is the Yorubas that are most likely to play divisive politics. We already know the northerners will always stand with themselves, which is fine; but what is the business of a Yoruba man coming to tell me that because my cousin is from another geo-zone we cannot be blood relatives. Dafuq is your business ![]() |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Nobody: 4:57pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Bede2u:Bruv what is unity begging? The Yorubas are good with or without the Presidency. You say the only thing SW can boast of is Lagos without understanding the seismic and ideological paradigm shift occuring under a new generation that will be transforming the whole region with results felt even in the most remote of villages in the next decade or two. The likes of OBJ encouraged a mediocre patronage system to keep the people impoverished and docile so they can continue to lord it over the populace with cans of rice at election time. That has changed so much. The SW is now a melting pot of ideas, ambition and anything-is-possible optimism. I won't lie. I am active in politics and hope to be in office in 2023. What I see moving around is that, whichever way things play out, the SW will be a pacesetting region in the next 20 years as the situational Mecca of innovation, opportunity and cutting-edge development. This is because the crudeness of the OBJ years have left and will never return. As society becomes more about merit, then cream will rise to the top to produce societal models that rewards talent and ability contrasting with the "bigman and im pikin" model the likes of OBJ ruined Nigeria with. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Modarun(m): 4:57pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:Did you even.read what you just wrote? Pound for pound based on competence and capacity can you sincerely in your hearts of hearts say there is a Peter Obi match in the entirr South west? What is wrong with you bunch? so simply because you managed to vote for a winning candidate all on a sudden you are now the only sensible people down south? So its Only Omoluabi that can rule Nigeria abi? The tribal bigot cant even conceal his bigotry. You guys have crossed the line, pls man up to the consequencies of your actions and stop trying to justify your stance. Noone cares about or need your tribalistic justification. Osibanjo has been V.P in almost 4 years there is nothing to show but extreme poverty and hardship, so shameless he shuttles around the nation buy votes. Fashola is now Minister of power, works and housing still they cant point to a single 2kilometer of 4 lane road they have initiated and complete. All of these people you mentioned are failures. Pacesetters dont cling to power na. why then are you lots hell bent on 2023? lol your chest beating is like a child bragging with inherited wealth over another making his own. The South East fought a civil war for crying out load. lol, No single storey building standinh, No high way not a single basic infrastruture but here they are competing with you? is that not a shame? you can decieve your self, but we all knw why you seek power. if indeed you true care about the South or Ndigbo start by supporting the removal of Buhari. That move alone would attone for your hand in destroying the fragile unity in the south. As it stands nothing you say can change the rest of the Souths collective resolve about your People. Even.worst everyday Tinubu ibadan-oshogbo brwon roof media has continued the onslaught. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Nobody: 5:01pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
www.gamji.com/article6000/NEWS7879.htm South West Economy |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by duwdu: 5:01pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Donelli:Actually, no other region has licked the boot of the North more than the East has been doing throughout our democratic journeys as a nation. Let's list the following complete history replete with extreme boot-lickings by the East: Balewa+Azikiwe vs Awolowo; Shagari+Ekwueme vs Awolowo; Obasanjo+Atiku vs Falae Yar'Adua+Jonathan vs Atiku; Jonathan+Sambo vs Ribadu. Do you have more to add? And we all know the Southeast vuvuzela'd Jonathan's 5-to-6-year term(s) as an Igbo presidency, and Jonathan blatantly made sure it was so. So, if you live in a glass house, please don't throw stones. Plus, those who forget/ignore history are condemned to repeat it. 'Nuf said. ........ P34c3 ..... ... |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Nobody: 5:02pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
www.gamji.com/article6000/NEWS7879.htm The South-East plus Delta |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Donelli: 5:03pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:Here you go again. Bro, Igbos are not bootlickers and that's why we do not roll well with the north politically cos they see all southerners as beneath them. The SW are not trustworthy and that is why we don't roll well with them politically...apart from the fact that their ass-kissing tendencies are disgusting. We are a highly principled set of humans and can't compromise that for cheap politics. There are some who thought they were wise to prostitute themselves but their humiliation is in progress. Our relatives in the SS are, unfortunately, being swayed by the propaganda the north used the SW to sell to them by divisive tactics but we connect well with them politically to a large extent. You must understand that. Look at Lagos and the SW and consider the unfettered success of the Igbos there and tell us, on a personal basis, whether a Yoruba Presidency will harm or uplift you. Like I said before, I personally will remain unruffled if Yorubas do not get the Presidency in 2023 because I believe this would be Nigeria's loss not ours. GEJ was the wrong hand from the SS same as OBJ was the wrong representative of the Yorubas. Under the APC, the Yorubas have no weak hands. Only leaders certain to take Nigeria to the next level like Osinbajo, Fashola and even Tinubu.What is the contribution of the Yoruba nation to Nigeria? I don't mean individuals, I mean the Yoruba nation as a whole. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Nobody: 5:06pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
www.gamji.com/article6000/NEWS7879.htm The Northern Economy |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by nengibo: 5:07pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Lipscomb:That's the most important thing |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Bede2u(m): 5:09pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:lol...i feel u bro. Cos u are just like me..an idealist. But the reality is always different from fantasies. It wasnt in obj era that this crude political compaign of sharing garri was taken..it wasnt a long time ago either. It was this year in osun. U may not realise it but obj is nigeria's best president yet (minus yaradua). Nigeria gdp fell from $540billion in 2015 to $380billion this year. Many banks have gone under this year. Many ppl have lost their jobs in the past four yrs. We have not really made progress. Nigeria's best progress yet was recorded in obj and yaradua era wen nigeria was 2nd fastest growing economy in the world. I voted buhari in 2015 so i am in the best position to say these things. Check my 2015 posts. The progess made so far in lagos belongs to fashola and not to tinubu at all. And fashola is not the only gov of 2007 to 2015 set who performed. Names like sullivan chime, kwakwaso and akpabio ttansformed their states within same period. I wish igbo and yoruba well. But for equity..igbo needs to produce the president in 2023. They have paid enough dues
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| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Modarun(m): 5:10pm On Dec 22, 2018*. Modified: 8:11am On Dec 26, 2018 |
duwdu:Ibos always support those who would not only unite Nigeria, but will bring prosperity to all not for selfish reason like your kind. Pls stop the lies. Yorubas didnt vote Atiku and Ribadu. Everyone knws Yorubas voted enmass for the PDP Presidential candidate in 2003, 2007 and 11. You thought OBJ, Yaradua, and GEJ would sideline the rest of the South, but since they didnt you tagged them bad men. Most of you are now happy cos the govt is working in your favour at the detriment of other parts of the South. If you voted for opposition then, how many SW states did Atiku and Ribadu win? pls Just stick with the facts, stop with the propaganda already. Its your legendary clanish greediness, like we saw in Tinubus quest to control the NASS, that is the reason for the lack of support from other sections of the APC. Your people always sort to corner for yourself what should be enjoyed by everyone else. You blow alot of hot air for a tribe that everyone knows are scared of true competition, whose advancements relays heavily on scheming against other section of the South. Yrubas oy trive when others are sidelined or oppressed. when the news of Enugu Airport upgrade broke, your paymasters sponsored media propaganda against the project. why? cos they dont want other regions to compete on a level playing ground. When news hit the stands that Ports in Akwa Ibom and Cross River were to be upgraded, Yorubas who have atleast 6ports started the “ since when did Yorubas start eating crumbs?” movement in your various tribal platforms. Bros a truely progressive people will demand that every section be carried along and true sophistication has never been scared of competition, infact they welcomes it. To prove that its really ahead. When the wall fell in Germany, The West funded the gradual intergration of the East, the infrastruture upgrade and so on. But despite without much federal presence or help from the center, The East of this nation has managed against all odds and gang up to rebuild their region, yet you guys are always up all night trying so hard to stop or stall their advancement. So the hell with your empty chest beating rheotorics. We knw who the real enemies of the entire South is. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Nobody: 5:12pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Donelli:Bruv, check the article out below to see for yourself. Hope you are man enough to admit you have been lied to about the reality that shows what Yorubas are that the ethnic group gets no credit for because we are not noise-makers or a people interested in embracing violence, bloodletting and blackmail of others to get our way. www.gamji.com/article6000/NEWS7879.htm |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Donelli: 5:12pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
duwdu:Jonathan is now from the East abi, how convenient. ![]() Those people you mentioned being VP candidates confirms the theory that Igbos are independent thinkers. Handpicking a puppet as VP candidate does not serve us in any form. Faced with neutral options we just pick the lesser evil so that we can return to profitable matters. Compare with the SW blindly following one man to their doom. Meanwhile, I hear Yorubas did not vote for Obj+Atiku. So how did the kingmaker lose that election ![]() |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Ojiofor: 5:16pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:Is Tinubu, Buhari even Osinbajo pro Nigeria? PDP presidential candidate is a known pro Nigeria both in words and in action but tribalist like you won't vote for him because he will be fair to all sections of Nigeria.You guys prefer bigots like Tinubu and Buhari so you stand on no moral ground to judge anyone. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Donelli: 5:26pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:Excerpt from the link you posted: "South Western Nigeria with a Land Mass of 76,852 square kilometres and population of 25.2 million today owns and/or control 60% of the nation’s industrial capacity, 44% of banking assets, 67% of insurance assets and is house to the nation’s three deep sea ports of Apapa, Tin Can Island and Roro; the busiest international airport of Ikeja, three thermal stations of Egbin, Papalanto and Omotosho. Today, its three major industrial estates of Agbara, Ikeja and Otta are all linked to gas under the West African gas pipeline plan and piping of gas is ongoing from Otta to Abeokuta. Added to these, the South Western population today is the most educated as western education came through there and education as a resource was democratized since the early sixties. Geographical location, democratization of western education, availability of resources enhanced in last 9 years and some empowerment during the Obasanjo administration have collectively enabled the South Western economy to rank as first of the four economies in Nigeria. Today, the South West as a region can boast of having a defined growing middle class and is perceived to have at least 20,000 of its indigenes with net worth of over N100m each. Take it out of Nigeria, the South West economy with is defined growing middle class and resources, will be one of the fastest growing economies in the world." The Niger Delta contributes the oil proceeds that develops Lagos which in turn draws foreign investment and provides taxation from the ports and businesses. I ask again, what is the contribution of the Yoruba nation to Nigeria that is independent of parasiting other regions? The bolded I find funnily ambitious because the author did not consider the monopoly of Lagos in ports and airport activities. Open Warri, Port Harcourt and Calabar ports let's see what becomes of Lagos in 10 years compared to these cities. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Nobody: 5:29pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Bede2u:Never said rice sharing does not exist today. My point is that it was all OBJ days was about whereas folks have moved on in leaps and bound today in what is becoming a more sophisticated political age by the minute. OBJ would not win even a local government today because he would not be able to appeal to the electorate as the modern politician has to achieve because voters are becoming more demanding and asking more governance-related questions. Remember the "collect their money and vote your choice" became popular in the last few years to signiy increasing political awareness of our people. OBJ's day was really bad because they rigged openly and whipped Nigerians with koboko to then send them home with tom tom sweets. As far as Igbo Presidency, yes it is right in equitable terms but you guys schemed yourselves out of consideration with your non-stop anti-Nigerian behaviour and agitation. No one feels comfortable trusting Igbos with power. Would you trust Igbos with power if you were not Igbo given the behaviour of the Igbos in the past ten years? |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Modarun(m): 5:38pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:Try the violence angle na? if its easy. The simply facts that you are now plotting to perpetuate a failed govt just so you get a chance to replace it in 2023, is enough proof of your greed and selfishness. The entire country is in turmoil, Poverty and hunger is wide spread, coupled with an increase in violence and bloodshed. What would expect those who claim to be sophisticated to do is to join hands and push it out, but no, all you can think of is how to replace it on 2023. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Modarun(m): 5:41pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:so says a supporter of Alpha Beta and Almajiri economic policy, where you impoverich people for 3years, then give them 10k stipends to buy their conscience. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Bede2u(m): 5:41pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:lol given igbos behaviour in the past 10 yrs wen they voted for candidates frm both north west and ss? Yes i will. They didnt vote buhari...how is not voting buhari anti-nigerian? The west were supported even tho they turned to terrorism in the 90s cos of abiola. The ss was supported even tho they turned to oil bunkering...the north was supported even tho they turned to boko haram...but igbos should not be supported. Anti-igbo politics is yorubas only politics since 1953. Thats shameful |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by oyatz(m): 5:46pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Your post is premised on wrong assumptions. 1) In every State there are people who strongly nurse presidential ambition and will do everything to contest for the presidency once,it is the turn of the South. 2) Bashorun MKO Abiola defeated Amb Babagana Kingibe and Atiku Abubakar in the 1993 SDP presidential primaries and defeated a Northern Presidential candidate in the Main election. 3) You wrongly assume that ethnic consideration and tribal loyalty ALONE will determine and continue to determine how ALL Nigerians vote in the Presidential election. PaChukwudi44: |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Nobody: 5:54pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Donelli:Are you for real? Lagos has the highest IGR in Nigeria today and is the only State that is almost totally independent of reliance on the centre to the extent it can be self-funding and prosperous without FG allocation for far far longer than any other Nigerian State. I know many love to hate him but this is the greatest legacy of Tinubu. When the vindictive OBJ starved Lagos of federal allocation, hoping to cripple Tinubu and Lagos, Jagaban simply developed the most successful and efficient model of internally generated revenue, linked with tax collection, in Nigeria and Africa. Read your history and stop boring us with the story of oil developing Lagos. The greatest gains Lagos has made, to be fifth largest economy in Africa, came post 1999 from aggresive IGR generation after The State was denied oil money by OBJ. So kindly refrain from the redundant argument of oil income developing Lagos in an age of idea the likes of Tinubu subscribed to years ago while you guys remain stuck trying to show you feed others when, in reality, visionaries like Tinubu began preparing, a long time ago, for how oil will probably be worth very little in 50 years. Ask yourself if all Nigerians would not rush into Lagos and the agriculturally bouyant states today if oil income vanished overnight. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Donelli: 6:05pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:Why do you keep taking about hate ![]() Hope you recognize that it is a hater who always fears being hated. I'm not in doubt that Lagos is great, though relative. I asked a simple question which I'll rephrase, what is that thing which the SW has such that if we are to start afresh from ground zero and practise full autonomy will make them restore this greatness in record time. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by kotv: 6:23pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
StOla:The same PDP Yorubas are currently insulting, demeaning, accusing of tribalism and hate just to promote Buhari is who you're decieving yourself will field their ticket to Yoruba in 2023. The chances of that happening is slim to none. Keep decieving yourselves. Your so called bridge building done out of greed did nothing more than damage chances of Yoruba ever becoming president. I know for sure no SS would vote for any SW candidate as you all have exposed yourselves as not interested in the well-being of the country but being greedy for power. You also know how SE would vote and as long as a North is on the ballot, you know exactly how North will vote. Yoruba becoming president is equivalent to a pig flying. Good luck decieving yourself |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Nobody: 6:31pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Bede2u:Stop the dishonesty. You shamelessly shouted, even more than his SS kinsmen, "GEJ or Nigeria burns" in 2015. You threathened "Fulani will never rule Nigeria again" ,all because of your adopted son GEJ , as if the Fulani man has no constitutional right to do so. What would you lot then do if an Igbo from Anambra is in GEJ's shoes? You gave GEJ , in 2015, more votes than even his own region in a show of ethnocentric bigotry that would not have been lost on other Nigerians. Even the likes of Igbokwe lampooned you for this. What do you want the entire Nation to do with Kanu's and IPOBs hate preaching? Do you want us to take that as the misguided noise of a small minority when the whole SE failed to condemn them vehemently thereby signalling to the world they tacitly endorsed the hateful antics of Kanu and IPOB? Bruv, you don't gain solutions if you can't even admit you have a problem. That is the issue with you Igbos. You have not attempted to negate how Kanu and IPOB have made you bait and your actions over the past decades that show you hate other Nigerians and would likely be unfair to themif possessing ultimate power yet you are insisting Nigerians must somehow trust you with this ultimate power. Are guys for for real? Like, seriously? https://www.google.com/amp/dailypost.ng/2017/05/11/ifeanyi-ubah-stop-disgracing-joe-igbokwe-blasts-igbo-people/amp/ “ It is even annoying that Col. Sambo Dasuki’s defense is being done not by his northern brothers but Igbo who are sworn to bland defense of everything PDP. They are the most fanatical mourners of the loss of Jonathan and PDP even when the Ijaws have moved on |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by kotv: 6:54pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Modarun:Exactly. Even during GEJ presidency, he did everything he can think of to appease them yet they hated him and demeaned him simply because he didn't undermine the rest of south and try to unify South in funds/infrastructure building. Unlike how it was in the past where predominately everything was focused on SW. Even during obj presidency, he did alot of damage to SS. Obj killed hundreds of innocent people in odi for no reason, prompted several oil companies to relocate their HQ from Rivers to Lagos; One that tried to relocate back, he stressed them in each of their attempt. Till date Delta State is still battling to return parts of it's lands Obj carved to SW. Despite all of the act to SS, people in SS still supported Obasanjo even though we gained nothing but pain from him. Each time Yoruba held any position, they provided more to themselves than to other southern communities but out of interest for southern unity, other southern kept quiet and allowed it. An example is FFK admitted when he controlled the aviation, he filled each parts of that sector predominately with Yorubas, nobody said anything or opposed that action, even SW agreed that he was filling it with candidates he trust similar to how they currently supported Buhari nepotism with the same excuse. When GEJ surrounded himself with people from SS and SE, the whole trust excuse wasn't applied to him by them. They've exposed themselves too much that I'm shocked they still believe they are decieving anyone from South. I feel sorry for them because it's clear they don't realize the damage they've done. Nobody has a monopoly of selfishness. Remembering the past when people were still sleeping and using it as a yardstick as how things will go now that most are awake is only decieving themselves. I do hope they understand the reality of what the greediness and selfishness created. I doubt any southern personal is going to be president for a long time. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Nobody: 7:02pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
kotv:Here we go again with the self-destructive politics of sentiments. Have you never herad the saying politics is about permanent interests and not permanent friends or enemies? Essentially meaning politician will put personal feelings aside to aid their political interest. Believe me that the PDP will field a Yoruba candidate in 2023 if that is their best option and if such best serves their political interest. You would get more out of life focusing on the outcome you want tp achieve rather tham allowing yourself to be bogged down with petty and frivolous issues. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by ImperialYoruba: 7:04pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Iwillbegreat:Yoruba does not approach Nigerian elections on the basis of what is fair or not fair. We come to the table with our capacity and political earnings to win the election. Those asking to be given presidency or making case for fairness are wasting time. I advise them to start building capacity and earn enough political mandates. The single challenge they will face is Yoruba and how to displace it. Appealing to fairness is illogical and asking "to be allowed" is undemocratic. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by kotv: 7:05pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:Keep decieving yourself, it is allowed. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Nobody: 7:20pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Modarun:Anyone touting the credentials of the mediocre and bigoted Obi is not worth taking seriously because this exposes your ignorance and bigoted support for your kinsman. Obi is a piss poor and totally mediocre politician with a very bland stint as governor. He will also be known forever for treacherous behaviour that saw him abandon APGA with a zeal to then destroy his old Party. Look at many top adminstrators in Nigerian politics. Do you see them practising political prostitution and then turning against their old Party? Fashola, Ambode, Fayemi, Aregbe All of APC? Have they been dishonourable like Obi? You guys are ridiculous . They only need to throw you a crusty old bone and you try to turn such into a 24 carat Tiara as we see you all doing now with Obi. As if political history does not exist to show his below average performance as governor of Anambra. Shior. |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by Bede2u(m): 7:41pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:read my last post again |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by oyatz(m): 7:50pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
This kind of funny political discussion is quite immature. 1) Individuals/ political parties and NOT Tribes/Geopolitical zones contest elections. 2) In politics, there is NO permanent friends or permanent enemies, ONLY permanent interests. ) The NUMBER-1 interest is SELF-SURVIVAL Foolishbuhari: |
| Re: 2023 Election Won't Only Be Between Southwest Vs South East by ImperialYoruba: 8:01pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Oshigun:Obi was the best governor they had in East. When Obi was challenged from West and had a opportunity to act like a governor he ran to Jonathan to complain about Fashola. Whatever good things they attribute to Obi should be scored amongst his peers in SE. When you open him to national ranking he will be at a performance level of a local government councilor, not even that of a Chairman, in SW. |
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