HellVictorinho:


Don't worry about the faith.FEAR will keep it ETERNAL.

FEAR! Is for those who aren't fitting for LIFE!
The true God has NOTHING to FEAR in HIM because HE is LOVE, but whoever does not have virtuous thoughts will continue to FEAR before the HOLY one!
HOLY means PURE! If Jesus can trust JEHOVAH completely to the extent of laying down His perfect life with no doubt that JEHOVAH will bring Him back to life. Sir,there is absolutely NOTHING to fear in JEHOVAH if we're PURE at heart!
So FAITH and FEAR aren't related in ANYWAY!

TATIME:
FEAR! Is for those who aren't fitting for LIFE!
The true God has NOTHING to FEAR in HIM because HE is LOVE, but whoever does not have virtuous thoughts will continue to FEAR before the HOLY one!
HOLY means PURE! If Jesus can trust JEHOVAH completely to the extent of laying down His perfect life with no doubt that JEHOVAH will bring Him back to life. Sir,there is absolutely NOTHING to fear in JEHOVAH if we're PURE at heart!
So FAITH and FEAR aren't related in ANYWAY!

Define 'Pure at heart' with Muslims in mind.I don't give a Bleep about Islam anyway.

bloodofthelamb:


It is the truth. No one who has tasted and experience the power of the world to come will turn around and say rubbish.

You left because you were not part of us, if you were part of us you would have remained.

...
No true scotman fallacy..
No true Muslim will ever leave Islam..
No true Christian will ever leave Christianity..
And the delusions continue..

Uyi168:
...
No true scotman fallacy..
No true Muslim will ever leave Islam..
No true Christian will ever leave Christianity..
And the delusions continue..

Tell me about it

Every cult says that the reason why members leave is that they were never really members to begin with , lol.

This reminds me of what a fellow Christian 'brother' said to me when I announced my withdrawal from the church. He quoted this scripture ;

"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us" - 1 John 2:19

Its a very convenient scripture used to back up their bullsh1t

Anas09:

Which of the Jesus' did you serve for the 20yrs you've parroting about?

Was it Black Jesus, White or Brown Jesus? Which one?

You had to have served one.

The deeper life hell and fury Jesus

frosbel2:


The deeper life hell and fury Jesus

Lolzzz. Was He Black or White?

And, you are a liar, you were never in Deeper Life. You couldn't have been. How did you manage to sit in Deeper Life for 20yrs yet had no personal encounter with the Master? How did you become a member?

I don't want anyone to disturb oga Frosbel. He is about to tell us about the Jesus he served for 20 years but has now neglected.
Sir Frosbel,
Please tell us how you met Jesus, stayed with Him for 20 years and what made you to reject Him after those years?
You are welcome sir.
God bless you.

Agrogbeide:
I don't want anyone to disturb oga Frosbel. He is about to tell us about the Jesus he served for 20 years but has now neglected.
Sir Frosbel,
Please tell us how you met Jesus, stayed with Him for 20 years and what made you to reject Him after those years?
You are welcome sir.
God bless you.

I owe you no explanation Mr.

It suffices to say that the Jesus you worship is a mythical figure and that your religion is founded and maintained on Roman Paganism.

If you start to read books instead of cramming the bible down your head, you may begin to see other points of view that may eventually prove to you that your bible is far far from being inerrant. It is riddled with errors and fables.

The funny thing is that these deluded ones will believe a Muslims testimony if he had claimed to have been a Muslim for 40 years and later converted to Christianity. This testimony they will accept.

But to dare claim that you left their own myth to become irreligious , makes them mad and ignites their hypocrisy to inferno levels.

The fact is that outside the gospels(which are copies of each other)The is no historical evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ.
The Jesus fable is embellished with other fables of messianic figures birthed by a virgin that have always existed in eons past.

Uyi168:
...
No true scotman fallacy..
No true Muslim will ever leave Islam..
No true Christian will ever leave Christianity..
And the delusions continue..

You can call it whatever fallacy you desire. The truth is that... They went out from us but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belong to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. (1 John2:19NIV)

bloodofthelamb:


You can call it whatever fallacy you desire. The truth is that... They went out from us but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belong to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. (1 John2:19NIV)

Oh please !!

Muslims also believe the same nonsense you believe in.

HellVictorinho:


Define 'Pure at heart' with Muslims in mind.I don't give a Bleep about Islam anyway.

PURE at heart:
My friend that's the simplest enough to disqualify Muslims! If you're pure at heart, you should know that any religious belief that has no regards for women is NOT PURE! Islam categorized women as PROPERTY NOT as a compliment of man. That's why they treat women as inferior humans! Ceremonial cleansing of eyes,nose,ears,hands and feet with water,whereas they don't clean their conscience! My friend, i was a Muslim so i can tell you that the religion gives NO room for PURITY!

frosbel2:


Oh please !!

Muslims also believe the same nonsense you believe in.

you were like a weed among the wheat. You where never really connected to the true Vine through faith. If you had been connected, you would have experience the life and power of the Vine(Jesus).

Take it to the bank!

TATIME:
PURE at heart:
My friend that's the simplest enough to disqualify Muslims! If you're pure at heart, you should know that any religious belief that has no regards for women is NOT PURE! Islam categorized women as PROPERTY NOT as a compliment of man. That's why they treat women as inferior humans! Ceremonial cleansing of eyes,nose,ears,hands and feet with water,whereas they don't clean their conscience! My friend, i was a Muslim so i can tell you that the religion gives NO room for PURITY!

Are you technically saying that only Jehovah Witnesses can be pure at heart/kind -hearted/compassionate?

frosbel2:


I owe you no explanation Mr.

It suffices to say that the Jesus you worship is a mythical figure and that your religion is founded and maintained on Roman Paganism.

If you start to read books instead of cramming the bible down your head, you may begin to see other points of view that may eventually prove to you that your bible is far far from being inerrant. It is riddled with errors and fables.

"Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking under the power and influence of the [Holy] Spirit of God can [ever] say, Jesus be cursed! And no one can [really] say, Jesus is [my] Lord, except by and under the power and influence of the Holy Spirit." 1 Corin 12:3 AMP

I know since you've found a new faith, this scripture is meaningless to you but the truth is in your 20yrs of claiming to be a Christian, did you operate under the power and influence of the Holy Spirit?

HellVictorinho:


Are you technically saying that only Jehovah Witnesses can be pure at heart/kind -hearted/compassionate?

Hmmmmmmmmm my friend,
Well let's just say you're now seeing how TRUE Christianity can answer all your questions about life! But if you want to IDENTIFY TRUE Christianity, all you need is careful consideration and meditation on the scriptures. As for any organization you conclude upon as true Christians, let PURITY,CHASTITY and EQUITY be your guide always, and God's Holy Spirit will come to your rescue! My conclusion doesn't matter, what matters is when you're feeling that you're PERCEIVING wisdom in my response. Then the ball is in your court!

@HellVictorinho
When Jesus (CHRIST) established Christianity He had just one thing in mind "help repentant ones amongst Adam's descendants to attain to the level God desires for everlasting life" Matthew 15:24 compared to Act 10:34,35
So when Jesus commenced His work,He focused on the humble ones NOT arrogant and proud individuals. John 3:1,2 compared to Matthew 9:9
He tried all He knows to explain to them that they're not fitting for LIFE before His heavenly father,unless they have a change of heart as in thoughts, words and actions. Matthew 5-7
Jesus lived as the model man for us to copy or imitate, those qualities His father wants are just not that easy for the descendants of Adam who have lived over 6,000 years now as aliens from God's standards. Ephesians 2:12,4:18,Colossians 1:21
Paul's listed those qualities when he wrote a letter concluding that whoever can cultivate these nine qualities is OK before God adding "against such ones THERE IS NO LAW" Galatians 5:22,23
Satan knows quite alright that if humans perfectly understand the concept of Christianity, majority will be saved. That's why Satan immediately disguised and started establishing his own countless deceptive religious sects all in JESUS name to mislead whoever feels obliged to follow Jesus. Matthew 13:24,25
Today it's very difficult to IDENTIFY true Christianity in the midst of thousands of religious bodies all claiming Christians, moreover you'll find nice people practicing false religion perhaps due to birth,condition,status and marriage(Act 5:34-39)again you'll also find haughty and greedy individuals in the midst of those practicing pure worship. John 12:4-6
To help us see clearly and not be confused Paul listed those 9 qualities, notice that NONE of Adam's descendants meet up with the requirements unlike Jesus who is born without SIN(error inclined),even Paul himself explained that he is still battling with Adamic sin(Romans 7:21-25) Paul said as long as we have the role model (Jesus) to look unto as our MIRROR, we can continue to correct ourselves until we reach perfection.
God has set aside 1,000 years for each and everyone who wants to attain to that desired standard. Revelations 20:1-3
Jehovah's Witnesses organization is just one out of other countless groups claiming Christians, but one thing that's unique about this group is openness, charity and equity. What you've acquired in this world means NOTHING when you're amongst them. Act 8:18-20
So if you're not ready to continue pummeling your body(1Corinthians 9:27) to meet up with the requirements as listed by Paul, you'll be shown the way out! 1Corinthians 5:13 compared to Proverbs 25:5
God bless you Sir!

TATIME:
@HellVictorinho
When Jesus (CHRIST) established Christianity He had just one thing in mind "help repentant ones amongst Adam's descendants to attain to the level God desires for everlasting life" Matthew 15:24 compared to Act 10:34,35
So when Jesus commenced His work,He focused on the humble ones NOT arrogant and proud individuals. John 3:1,2 compared to Matthew 9:9
He tried all He knows to explain to them that they're not fitting for LIFE before His heavenly father,unless they have a change of heart as in thoughts, words and actions. Matthew 5-7
Jesus lived as the model man for us to copy or imitate, those qualities His father wants are just not that easy for the descendants of Adam who have lived over 6,000 years now as aliens from God's standards. Ephesians 2:12,4:18,Colossians 1:21
Paul's listed those qualities when he wrote a letter concluding that whoever can cultivate these nine qualities is OK before God adding "against such ones THERE IS NO LAW" Galatians 5:22,23
Satan knows quite alright that if humans perfectly understand the concept of Christianity, majority will be saved. That's why Satan immediately disguised and started establishing his own countless deceptive religious sects all in JESUS name to mislead whoever feels obliged to follow Jesus. Matthew 13:24,25
Today it's very difficult to IDENTIFY true Christianity in the midst of thousands of religious bodies all claiming Christians, moreover you'll find nice people practicing false religion perhaps due to birth,condition,status and marriage(Act 5:34-39)again you'll also find haughty and greedy individuals in the midst of those practicing pure worship. John 12:4-6
To help us see clearly and not be confused Paul listed those 9 qualities, notice that NONE of Adam's descendants meet up with the requirements unlike Jesus who is born without SIN(error inclined),even Paul himself explained that he is still battling with Adamic sin(Romans 7:21-25) Paul said as long as we have the role model (Jesus) to look unto as our MIRROR, we can continue to correct ourselves until we reach perfection.
God has set aside 1,000 years for each and everyone who wants to attain to that desired standard. Revelations 20:1-3
Jehovah's Witnesses organization is just one out of other countless groups claiming Christians, but one thing that's unique about this group is openness, charity and equity. What you've acquired in this world means NOTHING when you're amongst them. Act 8:18-20
So if you're not ready to continue pummeling your body(1Corinthians 9:27) to meet up with the requirements as listed by Paul, you'll be shown the way out! 1Corinthians 5:13 compared to Proverbs 25:5
God bless you Sir!

Well,you've typed a lot but it's .not about me not understanding how Christianity works,as a denominational concept or a religious idea.I just want you to know that there is a limit to which you can actually make your points significant because of the TWIST called reality.

HellVictorinho:


Well,you've typed a lot but it's .not about me not understanding how Christianity works,as a denominational concept or a religious idea.I just want you to know that there is a limit to which you can actually make your points significant because of the TWIST called reality.

That's exactly what true Christians ofter tries to do my friend. It's not about convincing you to become a partaker of what we're presenting, we're sent out by our Master just as WITNESSES{Act 1:8}so that unbelievers won't stand and say "where are those witnesses of the Nazarene? We've got thought provoking questions to help them realise their STUPIDITY they're CALLING or permit me to say TWISTING as FAITH"
Jesus said we'll serve as such witness before the end comes to vindicate His father as a righteous judge before the destruction of this system of things! Matthew 24:14
Jesus already warned us that no matter how we're able to reason along with people using tangible presentations ONLY FEW will be touched down in their heart to act! Matthew 22:14
Thanks for your time Sir!

TATIME:
That's exactly what true Christians ofter tries to do my friend. It's not about convincing you to become a partaker of what we're presenting, we're sent out by our Master just as WITNESSES{Act 1:8}so that unbelievers won't stand and say "where are those witnesses of the Nazarene? We've got thought provoking questions to help them realise their STUPIDITY they're CALLING or permit me to say TWISTING as FAITH"
Jesus said we'll serve as such witness before the end comes to vindicate His father as a righteous judge before the destruction of this system of things! Matthew 24:14
Jesus already warned us that no matter how we're able to reason along with people using tangible presentations ONLY FEW will be touched down in their heart to act! Matthew 22:14
Thanks for your time Sir!

Reality is not a twist of faith and Jesus is not a human being.Yes,biblically He was a human being but such that didn't have a biological dad and already knew how he was going to end up.He never faced uncertainty!!!! So don't ever think it is possible for everyone, including the most wretched ones,to find the message of his sacrificial death comforting. It is actually 'bad news' to some people. The government of Jesus can't involve 'homo sapiens' and most people are already suffering 'Hell on. Earth'.You just have to accept that EVERYTHING is MEANINGLESS!!!!! And the 'Possibility of Supernatural Misdemeanors' can only validate that!!!!!

HellVictorinho:


Reality is not a twist of faith and Jesus is not a human being.Yes,biblically He was a human being but such that didn't have a biological dad and already knew how he was going to end up.He never faced uncertainty!!!! So don't ever think it is possible for everyone, including the most wretched ones,to find the message of his sacrificial death comforting. It is actually 'bad news' to some people. The government of Jesus can't involve 'homo sapiens' and most people are already suffering 'Hell on. Earth'.You just have to accept that EVERYTHING is MEANINGLESS!!!!! And the 'Possibility of Supernatural Misdemeanors' can only validate that!!!!!

Well it could be MEANINGLESS before faithless humans but before faithful individuals it's worth living or dying for!

[quote author=TATIME post=74304402] Well it could be MEANINGLESS before faithless humans but before faithful individuals it's worth living or dying for![/quote

No sane human lives or dies for everything. "Everyone that lives believes in life".
But reality is a "bitch" and the quoted statement above shouldn't be taken literally.
It is figuratively explanatory.
Check out the topic 'Hell's Statements'on this section.You might discover something worth writing down.

Originakalokalo:


On the delay of Jesus' coming, I will say some few things....

There was a standing instruction as to his coming....

Let's take a look....

" And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. "
(Matthew 24: 14)

Jesus gave this statement in all authority Let's pick some words there.. "shall be preached,... then, shall come"

Jesus knew that this would not be possible during the apostles time.. There were places they could not reach at that time since they were limited in transportation and navigation

The Apostles were so eager for the second coming of Jesus that they forgot this instruction... and when Jesus tarried,
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Some of them questioned the apostles.... Take a look..

(2 Peter 3 )
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3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Scoffers are still saying the same thing today... They forgot that a thousand years on earth is a day in heaven....

And most importantly, verse 9 says...

" The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward,

not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
(2 Peter 3: 9)

This is how Peter answered the question. "where is the coming of Jesus? "...

Note: everyone present on Earth at a time must hear the gospel of Jesus before his coming...

This is so that no one will have any excuse... Certainly not Frosbel, and the other guys.

.... If death death comes to anyone, you are judged immediately.This is evident in the location you find yourself .....while you await the final judgment at the end of time..

Whatever it is, live your life as though Jesus comes tomorrow or as though death comes today.

Jesus Lord.

Thank u sir, 07038733166 wassup me sir, Am losing faith in God

[quote author=HellVictorinho post=74308652][/quote] That's a BIG lie Sir, it's not everyone living that believes in what you're calling "LIFE".
Sanity is not all about SURVIVAL. Jesus said "if you LOOSE your LIFE for my sake you will find it" {Matthew 10:28,39} of course that will sound insane before someone who doesn't think about anything else apart from what he/she is SEEING. Faithful individuals in times past have laid down their lives for their FAITH. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego has their names written in the brains of all Bible scholars till today! Daniel 3:1-18
So when Jesus said FAITH is worth DYING for,believers fully grasp what He meant! Many died NOT for FAITH but simply because they LOVE to have their names written in history.
*Mongo Park died to discover river Niger!
*Many Spacemen died to discover the space!
*Many have died to discover aeroplanes,automobile, electricity and so on!
All these people laid their lives for what they CHERISHED most {Remembrance) and their names were boldly written in human history but they lost their lives upon NO guarantee. Because there is NO hope of living for them again,they did all of that just for people to keep remembering them after they're gone!
So what Jesus said wasn't something STRANGE to humans in general, He only directed honest hearted persons to a solid assured hope!
As for HELL,it's just another English for GRAVE that's all!

TATIME:
That's a BIG lie Sir, it's not everyone living that believes in what you're calling "LIFE".
Sanity is not all about SURVIVAL. Jesus said "if you LOOSE your LIFE for my sake you will find it" {Matthew 10:28,39} of course that will sound insane before someone who doesn't think about anything else apart from what he/she is SEEING. Faithful individuals in times past have laid down their lives for their FAITH. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego has their names written in the brains of all Bible scholars till today! Daniel 3:1-18
So when Jesus said FAITH is worth DYING for,believers fully grasp what He meant! Many died NOT for FAITH but simply because they LOVE to have their names written in history.
*Mongo Park died to discover river Niger!
*Many Spacemen died to discover the space!
*Many have died to discover aeroplanes,automobile, electricity and so on!
All these people laid their lives for what they CHERISHED most {Remembrance) and their names were boldly written in human history but they lost their lives upon NO guarantee. Because there is NO hope of living for them again,they did all of that just for people to keep remembering them after they're gone!
So what Jesus said wasn't something STRANGE to humans in general, He only directed honest hearted persons to a solid assured hope!
As for HELL,it's just another English for GRAVE that's all!

I said you shouldn't take it literally. And if those people died for martyrdom/accomplishment reasons,it only shows that they had life-threatening goals.The meaning of that proverbial statement is that no one alive is faithless. Everyone believes he/she must do something to address his/her state of mind but those that don't have a state of mind that encourages longevity such as risky determination(that of martyrs/spacecraft drivers) or depression(suicide attempters/suicidees)tend to do things that make them look more concerned about certain aspects of life.You also don't have to tell me anything about 'Hell'.Language is just language.

HellVictorinho:

I said you shouldn't take it literally. And if those people died for martyrdom/accomplishment reasons,it only shows that they had life-threatening goals.The meaning of that proverbial statement is that no one alive is faithless. Everyone believes he/she must do something to address his/her state of mind but those that don't have a state of mind that encourages longevity such as risky determination(that of martyrs/spacecraft drivers) or depression(suicide attempters/suicidees)tend to do things that make them look more concerned about certain aspects of life.You also don't have to tell me anything about 'Hell'.Language is just language.

It's OK Sir, i'm just making formal presentation of what i believe as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, remember i never mentioned any religious group before you asked about JWs! Definitely you've perceived that my explanations regarding what is written in the BOOK is from Jehovah's Witnesses, that's why i'm expatiating on my faith as a JW.
So if truthfully you think the BOOK has got some values, can you exhibit some of the virtues found in the reading and meditating on words found in it's pages?

jerry447:
Thank u sir, 07038733166 wassup me sir, Am losing faith in God

We don't need faith, we are spiritual beings having a human experience or walking a human path... We are Gods on a human journey... Everything in within..

God is inside of you, not outside.. Death is nothing but an illusion..

sonmvayina:


We don't need faith, we are spiritual beings having a human experience or walking a human path... We are Gods on a human journey... Everything in within..

God is inside of you, not outside.. Death is nothing but an illusion..

What do Gods do outside the human path?

HellVictorinho:

What do Gods do outside the human path?

Nothing.. It is forbidden to interfere... But some human do go to them for advice by consulting oracle's..

sonmvayina:


Nothing.. It is forbidden to interfere...

Joke of the day.

HellVictorinho:

Joke of the day.

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