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Ranchhoddas:
There's no way in hell that's Billy.

Yeah, I agree. I never conversed with billy much, but I am sure he knew not to do silly with buda - least he never did, while hell seems to do silly with every post!

HellVictorinho:
I am going to try to make this as short and as simple as possible.
Gays/Lesbians/Trannies and other people like that(un-straight) have matters that have been largely debated as regards their effects on societies.
But I think a NEW study is needed to help us to understand the phenomenon of human behavior.
I don't think psychology, psychiatry,biology, etc have been as effective as they should.
But they are still indispensable to us and I would like people to feel the impact of these fields greatly.
Yet,I believe there is a lot to be demystified/discovered/explained/corrected /simplified.

We live in a hyper-sexualized, even pornified culture, and if you’re a man who wants to be pure, you’re going to be involved in a constant warfare against lust. Everything from toothpaste commercials to weight loss ads have some sort of sexual spin. After all, as they say, sex sells.





Then there is the rampant immodesty in women’s dress (even in church, sadly), including mini-shorts, crop tops, and leggings worn as pants. Popular TV shows are filled with graphic sex, and celebrities dress in see-through clothing—that is, when they aren’t releasing nude photos of themselves.



Now, these temptations are so powerful because they involve our sight—one of the most potent of our senses, especially for us men. What we see is indelibly etched into our memories, and we can never truly un-see anything. Additionally, our sight has a powerful connection to what we want. Radio ads will never be as effective as TV ads, because hearing simply isn’t as strong a sense as sight.



Today I want to talk about an ancient Catholic practice that can help us combat temptations to lust: Custodia occulorum, or custody of the eyes.



What is it

At its most basic level, custody of the eyes simply means controlling what you allow yourself to see. It means guarding your sense of sight carefully, realizing that what you view will leave an indelible mark on your soul.



Many of the saints, in their zeal for purity, would never look anyone in the face. “To avoid the sight of dangerous objects, the saints were accustomed to keep their eyes almost continually fixed on the earth, and to abstain even from looking at innocent objects,” says St. Alphonsus de Liguori.



Now, staring at the floor at all times is a bit extreme for most of us, but it does demonstrate the seriousness with which the saints viewed the importance of purity. They teach us that is simply impossible to allow hundreds of immodest images into our minds, however innocently, and remain pure.



Of course, to the modern mind, this guarding of the eyes is rather quaint and even ridiculous. How prudish, many would think, to think that we should exercise any control over what we see. And yet, if we care about our souls, we have no other option.



How to Practice It

The best place to begin practicing custody of the eyes is in the things which we can control, such as movies, magazines, or television shows. If your favorite TV show has a sex scene every 5 minutes, you need to cut it out of your life. It’s not worth the temptation. In short, don’t consume things that are occasions of sin. Carelessly putting yourself in spiritual danger in this way is a grave sin itself, so take it seriously.



It’s actually rather easy to edit what you consume. But what about the things we can’t control, such as the immodestly dressed woman walking past you? This takes far more prayer-fueled discipline and practice. That said, here are some suggestions.



First, if you’re struggling with the way a woman is dressed, immediately look at her face. I don’t care how beautiful a woman is, it is essentially impossible to lust after someone’s face. The face is the icon of each person’s humanity, and it is far easier to respect a woman’s dignity when you’re looking at her face and not her body.



Second, it may just be appropriate to stare at the floor sometimes, especially if there’s no other way to avoid temptation. This doesn’t have to be the norm, but if the situation warrants it, it is foolish not to do so.



Third, avoid places you know are especially problematic for you. For most men, the beach is a problem. Dozens of women in tiny bikinis is just too much. If that’s the case for you, avoid the beach.



Finally, fast and pray. This should go without saying, and yet I am always amazed that men think they can control themselves without God’s help. It simply isn’t possible. We always need grace in the battle against concupiscence, and if we trust in ourselves and our own willpower, we will do nothing but fail.



Conclusion

Yes, temptation is everywhere, but we are not helpless victims. We must take the need for purity seriously, and that means guarding carefully what we allow ourselves to see. Through prayer, fasting, and practice, we can learn to take control of our eyes and avoid temptation. This isn’t quaint and archaic—it’s basic to spiritual survival.

Ranchhoddas:
You have not cleared anything so far.
Hit the nail on the head.
How is an "abomination" suddenly acceptable?

Good question. You tell me. This is beginning to sound so funny this your question.

This is not going to be a one-sided discussion Ranchhoddas. Oh no, it isn't. You too have your part to play too. Here is what it is, scour the Bible for all mentions of "'abomination" please ready for me. Paste your findings for all to see and read.

There is a lot of foundation to lay and a lot of ground to backfill, so you bringing up that list, will be very helpful, aside cutting my work up, it at least, will get you familiar with the refresher of getting used to the manu use of the word abomination, as regards in the bible

MuttleyLaff:
That is billyonaire for you budaatum, he talks like he's just pulled out of his rear back. You dont need evidence, your hunch is as good as gold

I first, didnt want to take kins25 serious, when he requested "Could you please educate me on the context the above verses portray. I await your response..." but after reading his subsequent comment, I've made up my mind to mention him when I do get to reply to solite3, frosbel2 and HellVictorinho abysmal, bigoted and homophobia responses to the questions I put to them

You are truly confused -what was homophobic in my statement anyway ??

I am sorry , but we do not have to be politically correct on this forum ; leave that PC bullsh1t where it belongs.

frosbel2:
You are truly confused - what was homophobic in my statement anyway ??

"I don't think Homosexuality/Transsexuality/Pansexuality are caused by demon possession.
These are acquired behaviours through exposure to the wrong type of environment or material and also caused by circumstances surrounding the persons childhood.

These behaviours can be unlearnt, outgrown or in many cases can remain permanent.

My only grudge is with aggressive attempts by certain groups to force these behaviours down our throats and try to make them normal. They are not normal - period.

So if you decide to remain a homosexual then please keep it PERSONAL , don't force this behaviour on society as a whole."
- by frosbel2: 12:10pm On Jan 02

"We can therefore say that just because queerness comes natural to some people, it does not make it legitimate behaviour according to the norms of society. If a particular society accepts this as 'normal' then everyone is free to accept or reject it , most societies don't.

Further, statistically ( to buttress the normalcy of heterosexuality), homosexuals make up less than 5% of worldwide population, meaning that it is the exception rather than the norm."
- by frosbel2: 8:50pm On Jan 02

frosbel2 please answer the following:
1/ So because homosexuals make up less than 5% of worldwide population, it makes it right to discriminate against them, huh?
Why should, according to you, a gay behaviour natural to the person, be unlearned?
2/ If you kid is gay, would you, your gay kid and your kid partner love and be happy reading the above unkind and bitingly critical remarks?
3/ What is the evil in consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?
4/ What problem do you have with and/or see in consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?
5/ What effect to you or the society does consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour have?

frosbel2:
I am sorry, but we do not have to be politically correct on this forum; leave that PC bullsh1t where it belongs.

I am sorry but you have a disorder called homophobia. It is curable, but only if you want to be cured.

OpenYourEyes1:
Aleister Crowley on Baphomet:

"The Devil does not exist. It is a false name invented by the Black Brothers to imply a Unity in their ignorant muddle of dispersions. A devil who had unity would be a God... 'The Devil' is, historically, the God of any people that one personally dislikes... This serpent, SATAN, is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade 'Know Thyself!' and taught Initiation. He is 'The Devil' of The Book of Thoth, and His emblem is BAPHOMET, the Androgyne who is the hieroglyph of arcane perfection... He is therefore Life, and Love. But moreover his letter is ayin, the Eye, so that he is Light; and his Zodiacal image is Capricornus, that leaping goat whose attribute is Liberty."

what a load of bull crap

MuttleyLaff:
"I don't think Homosexuality/Transsexuality/Pansexuality are caused by demon possession.
These are acquired behaviours through exposure to the wrong type of environment or material and also caused by circumstances surrounding the persons childhood.

These behaviours can be unlearnt, outgrown or in many cases can remain permanent.

My only grudge is with aggressive attempts by certain groups to force these behaviours down our throats and try to make them normal. They are not normal - period.

So if you decide to remain a homosexual then please keep it PERSONAL , don't force this behaviour on society as a whole."
- by frosbel2: 12:10pm On Jan 02

"We can therefore say that just because queerness comes natural to some people, it does not make it legitimate behaviour according to the norms of society. If a particular society accepts this as 'normal' then everyone is free to accept or reject it , most societies don't.

Further, statistically ( to buttress the normalcy of heterosexuality), homosexuals make up less than 5% of worldwide population, meaning that it is the exception rather than the norm."
- by frosbel2: 8:50pm On Jan 02

frosbel2 please answer the following:
1/ So because homosexuals make up less than 5% of worldwide population, it makes it right to discriminate against them, huh?
Why should, according to you, a gay behaviour natural to the person, be unlearned?
2/ If you kid is gay, would you, your gay kid and your kid partner love and be happy reading the above unkind and bitingly critical remarks?
3/ What is the evil in consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?
4/ What problem do you have with and/or see in consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?
5/ What effect to you or the society does consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour have?

I am sorry but you have a disorder called homophobia. It is curable, but only if you want to be cured.

no homosexuality is the mental defect. It can be remedied. But the world has to first accept it is a mental defect.

Godsfavour78:
no homosexuality is the mental defect. It can be remedied. But the world has to first accept it is a mental defect.

1/ Why do you say it is a mental defect. What is a mental defect. How is it a mental defect?
2/ What evil is there with consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour to you?
3/ What problem do you have with and/or see in consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?
4/ If your kid confides in you being gay, would you love your gay kid any less or more than after the confession?
5/ What damaging effect to you or the society does consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour have?

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Why do you say it is a mental defect. What is a mental defect. How is it a mental defect?
2/ What evil is there with consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour to you?
3/ What problem do you have with and/or see in consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?
4/ If your kid confides in you being gay, would you love your gay kid any less or more than after the confession?
5/ What damaging effect to you or the society does consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour have?

guy where do you expect me to find time to answer all this now. And you asked in a way that the answers have to be long. Anyway when the world is ready to accept it for what it is. I will be among those finding the cure.

Godsfavour78:
guy where do you expect me to find time to answer all this now. And you asked in a way that the answers have to be long. Anyway when the world is ready to accept it for what it is. I will be among those finding the cure.

It's just 5 simple questions bro. There is a cure but that's if you want to be cured

MuttleyLaff:
It's just 5 simple questions bro. There is a cure but that's if you want to be cured

Thank God we both agree their is a cure for homosexuality. Don't worry i will help you find the cure. You don't have to be mentally sick much longer.


In fact i think supporting homosexuality is another mental disorder on its own. Its related to deliberately living in self denial.


By the way i don't fear or hate gay people so am not homophobic. I just pity them and wish them good health.

HellVictorinho:
That's thoughtful. But how do we determine what caused the first set of homosexual humans to be like that ?

Genesis 3:4,5 answered your question but these misinformed churchgoers complicating issues won't give a room for wisdom to solve the problem!
We all have sex organs and if there is no STRICT rules guiding the use of these organs,then everyone is FREE to use it as they're pleased!
*Fornication ~sex between unmarried adults.
*Adultery ~sex between adults outside their marriage.
*Bestiality ~humans having sex with animals.
*Homosexuality ~sex between males.
*Lesbianism ~sex between females.
*Masturbation ~ self's sexual arousals releasing semens.
All are mentioned as wrong in the documents BIBLE.
God respected Adam and Eve's privacy so any sexual act between the TWO is OK, that's why HE(God) always makes some sound when approaching their domain as a sign of respect for the MAN and his WIFE! Genesis 3:8

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry but you have a disorder called homophobia. It is curable, but only if you want to be cured.

I do not have to accept that Homosexuality is a normal life style because it is not in me to do so and according to my culture and tradition it is not accepted- nothing at all to do with religion.

I cannot fathom two men screwing themselves in the butt or two women doing all sorts of sick things to each other. I tremble to think of it.

However , that does not mean I am against homosexuals, or open articles to condemn them ( never have ) or embark on campaigns to dehumanise them ( never have ) or even think about them and their habits ( hardly ). It is an opinion I keep to myself.

What you are trying to do is FORCE this down our throats and when we refuse to comply you call us HOMOPHOBIC. That's insincere.

I will address your other points when I have time.

The problem began when Adam and Eve chose to be TOTALLY independent of God.
The tree of knowledge of good and bad connotes interest in personal ideology on right and wrong that's driven by SELFISHNESS!
But the bone of contention is humans are prone to develop ZERO compliance to guidance. I'm sorry,that's the birth of ATHEISM!
Obedience is not about rules not understood but obedience is inevitable when there is NO experience, that's what led to all of these!

Shelumiel:
It seems you enjoy talking before giving thought to anything . How can any right-thinking person say such ? Common sense should tell you that homosexuality is something non-existent in nature(just look at animals and see if they practice such !). Did your mother mate with her kind to bring you into this world? Answer

Oga,, like the op said... do your research...
homosexuality is prevalent among animals...

even bisexuality...

m not an advocate of gayis.m tho...

m just saying...

do your research before branding your fellow human "demon"

Godsfavour78:
Thank God we both agree their is a cure for homosexuality. Don't worry i will help you find the cure. You don't have to be mentally sick much longer.

Homosexuality is not a disease and isnt a mental disorder, so isnt in need of a cure.
You should be thanking God that there is a cure for your disorder though. Your disorder is called homophobia and like I earlier said but because you're in denial you tried twisting what I wrote, it is curable, but only if you want to be cured.

Godsfavour78:
In fact i think supporting homosexuality is another mental disorder on its own. Its related to deliberately living in self denial.

Hypothetically speaking, if your son or daughter confides in you being gay, would you love him or her any less or more than since the confession?

Godsfavour78:
By the way i don't fear or hate gay people so am not homophobic. I just pity them and wish them good health.

Save the pity and good sense health for yourself because you deserve and need the pity not them

MuttleyLaff:
Homosexuality is not a disease and isnt it mental disorder, so isnt in need of a cure.
You should be thanking God that there is a cure for your disorder. Your disorder is called homophobia and like I earlier said but because you're in denial you tried twisting what I wrote, it is curable, but only if you want to be cured.

Hypothetically speaking, if your son or daughter confides in you being gay, would you love him or her any less or more than since the confession?

Save the pity and good sense health for yourself because you deserve and need the pity not them

Human Behavior proves one thing.
That man is an expression of predetermined absurdity.

TATIME:
The problem began when Adam and Eve chose to be TOTALLY independent of God.
The tree of knowledge of good and bad connotes interest in personal ideology on right and wrong that's driven by SELFISHNESS!
But the bone of contention is humans are prone to develop ZERO compliance to guidance. I'm sorry,that's the birth of ATHEISM!
Obedience is not about rules not understood but obedience is inevitable when there is NO experience, that's what led to all of these!

Ah-ha haba Chief, whats the meaning of:
"The tree of knowledge of good and bad connotes interest in personal ideology on right and wrong that's driven by SELFISHNESS!"

Is that what The tree of knowledge of good and evil means?

budaatum:
250 Dutch Pastors Just Signed the Anti-LGBTQ “Nashville Statement”

Ranchhoddas was saying and asking me:
"Have you been able to convince anyone that homosexuality is approved in the Bible?
You must be the only person on the planet with this view."

My response was:
Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Jorge Mario Bergoglio popularly known as Pope Francis, to name just these two (i.e. Anglican and Catholic). Tutu said he doesnt want to live in a homophobic heaven whilst Pope Francis said transsexuals and gay people should be embraced. He told Juan Carlos Cruz, a gay man: "God made you like this and loves you like this"

MuttleyLaff:
Ranchhoddas was saying and asking me:
"Have you been able to convince anyone that homosexuality is approved in the Bible?
You must be the only person on the planet with this view."

My response was:
Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Jorge Mario Bergoglio popularly known as Pope Francis, to name just these two (i.e. Anglican and Catholic). Tutu said he doesnt want to live in a homophobic heaven whilst Pope Francis said transsexuals and gay people should be embraced. He told Juan Carlos Cruz, a gay man: "God made you like this and loves you like this"

Funny.

I hope you are familiar with the term "political correctness"?
That is what these men do. Has a gay wedding taken place in St Peter's Basilica?
I will take the pontiff seriously when he presides over a gay wedding.

In any case my question was to you. Have you convinced anyone in the light of scriptures?
Or do you want to tell me you agree with everything Bergoglio and Tutu stand for?

Ranchhoddas:
Funny.

I hope you are familiar with the term "political correctness"?
That is what these men do. Has a gay wedding taken place in St Peter's Basilica?
I will take the pontiff seriously when he presides over a gay wedding.

Tutu gave a father's blessing to his daughter's gay marriage, he couldnt give a priest blessing because the Anglican church dont recognise same sex marriages

Ranchhoddas:
In any case my question was to you. Have you convinced anyone in the light of scriptures?

I doubt it would make any difference to you, even if I tell you, especially with the aspect of in light of scriptures,

Ranchhoddas:
Or do you want to tell me you agree with everything Bergoglio and Tutu stand for?

Nothing to do with do I agree with everything Bergoglio and Tutu stands for. You remarked: "You must be the only person on the planet with this view" so I gave you two names; one Anglican and one Catholic

MuttleyLaff:
Tutu gave a father's blessing to his daughter's gay marriage, he couldnt give a priest blessing.

Probably. That guy was an anti-apartheid campaigner, there is no way he can but seen as anything but supportive to a group that claims persecution.

You remarked: "You must be the only person on the planet with this view." so I gave you two names; Anglican and Catholic
Nothing to do with do I agree with everything Bergoglio and Tutu stands for

I still stand by it. The archbishop and the pontiff do not take their positions by quoting the Bible. Do you have a video of either of this men preaching that the Bible supports homosexuality. Their positions are political.

What I mean by the last line is that you are doing what is called cherry-picking. Selecting a statement from people that suits you even when you might not agree with every other thing they say/do just to advance your position. That can't be right, especially if the discussion is a matter of religion.

I doubt it would make any difference to you, even if I tell you, especially with the aspect of in light of scriptures,

Unless you want to show me a Bible portion supporting homosexuality, it won't. Every other thing sounds like sophistry. As far as I know, all biblical references to homosexuality are condemnatory.

raphieMontella:
Oga,, like the op said... do your research...
homosexuality is prevalent among animals...

even bisexuality...

m not an advocate of gayis.m tho...

m just saying...

do your research before branding your fellow human "demon"

And one of such animals 'The White American Ibis' showed signs of homosexual activity due to "environmental pollutant methylmercury" - culled from Wikipedia

Again, many of us are not actively bashing homosexuals and indeed interact positively with them in our daily lives, however we DO NOT have to agree that this life style is suitable for us as it pertains to our culture and families. But, if people want to make it part of their life style , that is also perfectly fine. Just DON'T try to FORCE EVERYONE to accept it , many do not want to. Its a free world , do your thing and allow others to do their thing.

Ranchhoddas:
Probably. That guy was an anti-apartheid campaigner, there is no way he can but seen as anything but supportive to a group that claims persecution.

Group that is actually persecuted, they arent not claiming but they outrightly are discriminated against, threatened with death, maimed or assaulted etcetera

Ranchhoddas:
I still stand by it. The archbishop and the pontiff do not take their positions by quoting the Bible. Do you have a video of either of this men preaching that the Bible supports homosexuality. Their positions are political.

Ranchhoddas though you arent a believer but knowing what you know about the believers' faith and God, say for the sake of this convesation, you are a believer, would you like to be with a God who hates two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?

Ranchhoddas:
What I mean by the last line is that you are doing what is called cherry-picking. Selecting a statement from people that suits you even when you might not agree with every other thing they say/do just to advance your position. That can't be right, especially if the discussion is a matter of religion.

You dont know what true and pure religion that is faultless is. If you did, we wouldnt be having this discussion sitting down and facing each other at opposite sides of the table

Ranchhoddas:
Unless you want to show me a Bible portion supporting homosexuality, it won't. Every other thing sounds like sophistry. As far as I know, all biblical references to homosexuality are condemnatory.

Until you tell me what is the evil in two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour then you aint getting that "a Bible portion supporting homosexuality"

MuttleyLaff:
Group that is actually persecuted, they arent not claiming but they outrightly are discriminated against, threatened with death, maimed or assaulted etcetera

Okay.

Ranchhoddas though you arent a believer but knowing what you know about the believers' faith and God, say for the sake of this convesation, you are a believer, would you like to be with a God who hates two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?

A believer in OMNIPOTENT deity? How about using some of that omnipotence to make them not unnatural gay.

You dont know what true and pure religion that is faultless is. If you did, we wouldnt be having this discussion sitting down and facing each other at opposite sides of the table

There is no such thing as "true and pure religion". Only exists in the minds of the believers. I'm sure Jihadists think their religion is "true and pure". If there were any such thing it would be apparent to everyone, or at least the majority.

Until you tell me what is the evil in two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour then you aint getting that "a Bible portion supporting homosexuality"

There is no such Bible portion is there? I'm sure I would have come across it if it existed. Only by sophistry can this be pulled off.
Their behaviour is unnatural as far as I can see. You can't love a man without wanting to get in the sack with him abi?
Disgusting.

Ranchhoddas:
A believer in OMNIPOTENT deity? How about using some of that omnipotence to make them not unnatural gay.

By design, gay is observed in nature and I can give you a list of animals that display gay behavior

Ranchhoddas:
There is no such thing as "true and pure religion". Only exists in the minds of the believers. I'm sure Jihadists think their religion is "true and pure". If there were any such thing it would be apparent to everyone, or at least the majority.

I said "true and pure religion that is faultless". You have this habit at times to truncate out words in my remarks, in order to weaken or lessen the original and intended meaning. True and pure religion that is faultless exists, it is alive and kicking

Ranchhoddas:
There is no such Bible portion is there? I'm sure I would have come across it if it existed. Only by sophistry can this be pulled off.

There is but since you are unable to what is the evil in two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour then you aint getting that Bible portion not minding homosexuality

Ranchhoddas:
Their behaviour is unnatural as far as I can see.

Of course, I agree with you. It is unnatural to you because you're heterosexual but for them being homosexual, attraction to same sex is natural to them

Define unnatural and give examples. I too will do same
Now are all "unnatural" necessarily bad, evil and/or wrong?

Ranchhoddas:
You can't love a man without wanting to get in the sack with him abi? Disgusting.

I'll like to know why you say its disgusting, what exactly is disgusting in two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?

MuttleyLaff:
By design, gay is observed in nature and I can give you a list of animals that display gay behavior

Animals are the standard now?
Oh God.
Animals murder each other all the time, therefore it is natural for humans to murder each other. Murder is observed in nature.

I said "true and pure religion that is faultless". You have this habit at times to truncate out words in my remarks, in order to weaken or lessen the original and intended meaning

You are being overscrupulous. There is no way the meaning was weakened here. "True" already means faultless. "Pure" is already superfluous. You meaning is well taken. Stop being pedantic.

There is but since you are unable to what is the evil in two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour then you aint getting that Bible portion not minding homosexuality

You have just described the relationship of two best friends.

Why do they want to poke each other

. I am something of a prude. I feel disgusted typing this. Don't make do it again.
I know there is no such portion.

Of course, I agree with you. It is unnatural to you because you're heterosexual but for them being homosexual, attraction to same sex is natural to them

There are stories of people who have been cured. Go figure.

Define unnatural and give examples. I too will do same

Unnatural:Contrary to the ordinary course of
nature; abnormal

Straight from Google.

The course of nature is to procreate via sex. Gay people can't.

Now are all "unnatural" necessarily bad, evil and/or wrong?

I know what you want to do. Change "unnatural" to "murder" in your question and you have your answer.

I'll like to know why you say its disgusting, what exactly is disgusting in two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?

Their wanting to get in the sack is repulsive. They should seek treatment if possible.

Ranchhoddas:
Animals are the standard now?
Oh God.
Animals murder each other all the time, therefore it is natural for humans to murder each other. Murder is observed in nature.

You are being overscrupulous. There is no way the meaning was weakened here. "True" already means faultless. "Pure" is already superfluous. You meaning is well taken. Stop being pedantic.

You have just described the relationship of two best friends. . I am something of a prude. I feel disgusted typing this. Don't make do it again.
I know there is no such portion.

There are stories of people who have been cured. Go figure.


Unnatural:Contrary to the ordinary course of
nature; abnormal

Straight from Google.

The course of nature is to procreate via sex. Gay people can't.
I know what you want to do. Change "unnatural" to "murder" in your question and you have your answer.

Their wanting to get in the sack is repulsive. They should seek treatment if possible.

Nature is screwing Man.

frosbel2:
And one of such animals 'The White American Ibis' showed signs of homosexual activity due to "environmental pollutant methylmercury" - culled from Wikipedia

Again, many of us are not actively bashing homosexuals and indeed interact positively with them in our daily lives, however we DO NOT have to agree that this life style is suitable for us as it pertains to our culture and families. But, if people want to make it part of their life style , that is also perfectly fine. Just DON'T try to FORCE EVERYONE to accept it , many do not want to. Its a free world , do your thing and allow others to do their thing.

I totally agree with you on the force aspect...

but above all stop condemning your fellow humans...

their choice is their choice is their choice...

so long as it has no "effect" on you..

Ranchhoddas:
Animals are the standard now?
Oh God.
Animals murder each other all the time, therefore it is natural for humans to murder each other. Murder is observed in nature.

You are being overscrupulous. There is no way the meaning was weakened here. "True" already means faultless. "Pure" is already superfluous. You meaning is well taken. Stop being pedantic.

You have just described the relationship of two best friends. . I am something of a prude. I feel disgusted typing this. Don't make do it again.
I know there is no such portion.

There are stories of people who have been cured. Go figure.


Unnatural:Contrary to the ordinary course of
nature; abnormal

Straight from Google.

The course of nature is to procreate via sex. Gay people can't.
I know what you want to do. Change "unnatural" to "murder" in your question and you have your answer.

Their wanting to get in the sack is repulsive. They should seek treatment if possible.

Oga... animals have sex for non procreational reasons....as humans do

so sex is not strictly for --- it's mating season fellas(animals in play here)
let's go have some evolutional offsprings

raphieMontella:
Oga... animals have sex for non procreational reasons....as humans do

so sex is not strictly for --- it's mating season fellas(animals in play here)
let's go have some evolutional offsprings

But,humans are more complex with complex problems like education,religion, atheism,philosophy, etc