frosbel2:


Total BULLSH1T.

Yes, there are people who feel depressed because of the actions of a few lunatics, but the general and overarching trend is that Homosexuals want this life style to be taught to all children in schools and they also aggressively encourage the government to impose this on society in a sort of ' in your face manner ' . Any difference of opinion is made to sound like homophobia. Eventually people get fed up and 'fight' back.

tintingz:
At least we don't see them bombing and killing people.

They are even minority.

There might be homosexuals who are aggressive or fanatics, we have that in every group in the society.

Homosexuals have been oppressed and killed throughout history and every society, I don't see why they shouldn't protest for their right?

What's wrong with people protesting for their right? What's wrong educating people about sexual orientation?

No wonder we have so much homophobic people.

frosbel2:


I don't want my kids educated about Sexual orientation. They are just happy the way they are.

tintingz:
Keep promoting homophobia.

I once hate homosexuals that I feel like they should never exist until I started reading about sexual orientations. And I changed my views towards homosexuals.

Let's inform our kids everything that's needed to be known.

frosbel2:


Now you are intruding in my space - see what I mean ? My kids of course know about different sexual orientations from school but they also know that they prefer to be heterosexual.

Respect others and do your own thing. You guys are beginning to show signs of religious aggression.

tintingz:
Keep promoting homophobia.

I once hate homosexuals that I feel like they should never exist until I started reading about sexual orientations. And I changed my views towards homosexuals.

Let's inform our kids everything that's needed to be known.

CAPSLOCKED:


I DIDN'T NEED TO READ ANYTHING TO REALIZE THAT PEOPLE DESERVE LOVE AND THE FREEDOM TO BE HAPPY... ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON'T POSE ANY THREATS.

CAPSLOCKED:


I DIDN'T NEED TO READ ANYTHING TO REALIZE THAT PEOPLE DESERVE LOVE AND THE FREEDOM TO BE HAPPY... ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON'T POSE ANY THREATS.

Shelumiel:
Shut up ! Idiotic fool . Why not go practice Sodomy and see how dysfunctional your lineage will be

Standozey:
Senseless slowpoke, all you need to do is do some research and read scientific journals so you can understand that some people are born that way. It's not only humans, other mammals practice the act, a simple YouTube video will proof that to you. As an idiot you are, you will never study and learn. Why not go about killing homosexuals like your holy book commands abi you no won obey your God?

Standozey:
Senseless slowpoke, all you need to do is do some research and read scientific journals so you can understand that some people are born that way. It's not only humans, other mammals practice the act, a simple YouTube video will proof that to you. As an idiot you are, you will never study and learn. Why not go about killing homosexuals like your holy book commands abi you no won obey your God?

Shelumiel:
It seems your mother slept with her sister to give birth to your sorry ass, right ? Mtchww. ...abeg pack well ! Gay nonsense like you

MexManuel:
The Bible in particular never made direct statements against homosexuals and how they would burn in hell. Rather, the Bible condemned Sodom and Gomorrah due to the various atrocities taking place to which same sex might have been involved.

Michellekabod1:
Halo, how are you doing? Please can i know your take on homosexuality? Just asking..

Shelumiel:
Shut up! Idiotic fool. Why not go practice Sodomy and see how dysfunctional your lineage will be

MuttleyLaff:
Its you who is possessed and you are infamously known for regularly feeding your demons

Wrong! The Bible never commands such! It's never the christian duty

There is nothing worse about a gay person.
An ignorant and uninformed person is worse than a homophobe
To be ignorant, uninformed person and be a homophobe is the worst

Shelumiel:
You must be foolish. Why not go and practice Sodomy.

frosbel2:
Get a grip Pal.

Nobody here was even remotely bothered about what
Homosexuals do, until homophobia accusations starting flying around because of a difference of opinon. Surely people are entitled to their own opinion?

Ranchhoddas:
Thank you. If you don't get on their perverse bandwagon, you are termed a homophobe.

Very silly.

HellVictorinho:
Gay rape is real.

MexManuel:
One thing about homophobia is that people utilise religion as a weapon to put their hatred in action.

Understanding homosexuality from a religious viewpoint. Read homosexuality in Christianity and Islam on Wikipedia and then go back to the Holybook and read the reference you would find out (with an open mind) all of these hatred are uncalled for.

The Bible in particular never made direct statements against homosexuals and how they would burn in hell. Rather, the Bible condemned Sodom and Gomorrah due to the various atrocities taking place to which same sex might have been involved.

Aaronsrod:
False Christian!

More lies from the pit of Hell!!

Leviticus 20:13
If a man :also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

We are commanded to put them to death. Their blood must be shed!

MuttleyLaff:
That is billyonaire for you budaatum, he talks like he's just pulled out of his rear back. You dont need evidence, your hunch is as good as gold

I first, didnt want to take kins25 serious, when he requested "Could you please educate me on the context the above verses portray. I await your response..." but after reading his subsequent comment, I've made up my mind to mention him when I do get to reply to solite3, frosbel2 and HellVictorinho abysmal, bigoted and homophobia responses to the questions I put to them

solite3:
anyone that doesn't agree to your warped way is bigotted?

Don't try to twist the bible to cover up your antichristian and anti God stance.

God created Adam and Eve as a model for sexual relationship not the satanic concept of homosexual Abomination.

MuttleyLaff:
If I should ask you to tell clearly and distinctly, and without prevaricating, say what evil is there, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour, I bet you will shy and avoid reply to the question, huh?

MuttleyLaff:
You'll go underground and AWOL, if I am to ask you to tell me where in the bible homosexual is abomination, where and when homosexual is a word that is barely 200 years old. I am tired of all you guys who dont properly read the bible, dont rightly divide the word and accurately handle the word of truth.

TV01:
Why would anyone shy away from this question?

TV01:
Shrouded in "worldly" wisdom, logic – and jargon - as it is, it presents no real challenge and is easily rebutted on its own terms, let alone biblically.

TV01:
Why is there a need to qualify such a relationship so heavily? Almost as if to deflect from the intrinsic nature of a "same-sex" relationship, and focus on feelings, intent and motivation. That alone raises a number of questions

TV01:
1. How do you independently confirm, in addition to and, apart from testimony from, both parties, that, that is the exact nature of the "relationship"

TV01:
2. Are SS or any relationships that fall short of your criteria above not moral or sanctified?

TV01:
3. How do you define and determine harm to another? And why just “to another”? what about the bigger societal picture on what leads to a flourishing society

TV01:
And, to answer your question SS relationships are an abomination in the sight of God and being perverse by their very nature cannot by any means be made “moral” or otherwise sanctified from a Christian perspective.

TV01:
There are a number of places in the bible - and both testaments - where it is clear that sexual relations between 2 people of the same (and not just for ritual purposes) is considered an abominable act. But let me ask you this

TV01:
1. Are SS attraction and SS relationships, part of Gods original creational intent?

TV01:
2. If you respond yes to #1, could you advise what Gods intent for their unions would be

TV01:
3. If you respond no to #1, kindly explain when such attraction and relationship appeared

TV01:
I know you won’t shy away

TV01:
Cheers
TV

MuttleyLaff:
Of course, yes, especially someone like you who should know better than to regard and/or treat the members of the human race with hatred and intolerance.

If I should ask you to tell [b]clearly and distinctly, and without prevaricating, say what evil is there, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour, I bet you will shy and avoid reply to the question, huh?[/b]

You'll go underground and AWOL, if I am to ask you to tell me where in the bible homosexual is abomination, where and when homosexual is a word that is barely 200 years old. I am tired of all you guys who dont properly read the bible, dont rightly divide the word and accurately handle the word of truth.

MuttleyLaff:
For once, someone baring his chutzpah made of steel. I hope you don't wince in pains by the time we are done on this interesting subject

MuttleyLaff:
Now please tell what the evil is, because you haven't at all answered my question before going on with your hump.

MuttleyLaff:
Simply Bible and Spirit wisdom and logic bereft of ignorance and ill-informed jargons
Well, it is to defensively block any space and all rooms for people like you to want to manoeuvre in

MuttleyLaff:
By their fruit and entire context of how the question is asked

MuttleyLaff:
The entire criteria is relevant and applicable to heterosexual relationships too but those are part of the discussion, SS is.

MuttleyLaff:
" to another" encompasses and includes the bigger societal picture or wider community or society at large. It defines an determines what a neighbour is

MuttleyLaff:
Are you 110% sure of this?
Do you have biblical backing of this ill-informed opinion you are trying to advance?
Are you ready and prepared to see to the end the fallacy of how you're erroneously interpreting, reading and understanding the two famous and well known verses I know you are about to wave around

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Why is it an abominable act then?
2/ To whom, specifically, is it an abomination?

MuttleyLaff:
There are quite a lot of things that aren't part of God's original plan. Case in point, human being body with two heads, human beings with more than one type of genetilia etcetera. We live in an imperfect world, you seem to forget

MuttleyLaff:
Live life, accept what you are and exactly be all what is mentioned in the question

MuttleyLaff:
After the ground got cursed, abnormalities and whatnot soon reared their heads because the Pandora box was opened

MuttleyLaff:
You know me, ]I am in love already and loving this

MuttleyLaff:
Bottoms up. Let's do this often and so put the devil and liars to shame

TV01:
The terms:
Nobody is a “homosexual” as in a type of person. Human beings are functionally male and female, and not in any ontological sense different types of male and female. Secondly, nobody is “gay” as in, has an identity of being “gay”.

The terms gay, heterosexual, homosexual, lesbian, trans etc. while potentially useful for discussion, will be avoided where possible and, are nothing more than social constructs, with no backing in law or biology.

People may be SSA or in SSR, but this is behaviour and actions. There is nothing “innate” or congenital about this. And, even if a link could be proven in part or in whole, biology does not determine morality.

The Bible:
Is clear, from OT to NT. Physical intimacy between SS humans is an abomination. There is no getting around that. No matter how one tries to minimise, deflect or cry hypocrisy.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (note v23 brackets this with bestiality. Further note that v24 that clearly states it is to defile oneself)

Leviticus 22:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

I’m happy to hear explanations as to what occurred inter-testamentally, or as a result of the saving work of our Lord that transmutes an abomination and being defiled into something holy and sanctified? Is bestiality now sanctified and holy?

In the New testament it is clear. In the run up to verse 26 of Romans 1, the narrative is unquestionably describing how the thoughts of those who turn away form God ultimately become darkened, with one of the inevitable outcomes being uncleanness and lust driven behaviour, evidenced by SS intimacy.

Indeed, God himself give such over to these “vile affections”. In both verses 26 and 27, this vile affection is clearly shown to be a change in the natural (creational) use, due to an uncontrollable burning lust (it’s not innate, but can be deeply driven). The very mind becomes reprobate, as they force out any notion of God and honouring Him from their minds. It's Judgement!!!

I could go on, with references to strange flesh and the like. But will cut to another point before I close this post. The bible is clear on SS intimacy. It is also clear that In Christ, God has made a way out of this mindset, out of this burning, out of this uncleanness and unnatural behaviour, and back to Him.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

...11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

I would question how one who describes himself as honest, let alone a Christian, can read anything else into or, out of scripture. No matter how sympathetic, no matter how closely affected.

Further, it has to be questioned, in the light of scripture and the saving work of our Lord, how any Christian can champion SS intimacy as moral and sanctified, and acceptable in Gods sight. More so, when it is described as abominable, defiled and indicated as a form of judgement.

It is clear from the Romans 1 passage, which I have added below for completeness, that not only is this about a rejection of God – and not imagined differences between “loving unions” and temple rituals, or meaningless differences between the penetrated and the penetrator. That’s it’s about turning away from a natural (or creational) use to something deviant.


Romans 1
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.


Cheers
TV

solite3:
I hate going in circles. mr mutty you are weird. How do you come to the conclusion that I HATE HOMOSEXUALS?

solite3:
God hates homosexuality and called it abomination

solite3:
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

solite3:
Jesus reiterated God's plan for sexual union

Matthew 19:4
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

God made sex for procreation.

God never created anyone homosexual, it is the result of the sin nature of man.

solite3:
Paul records that homosexuality is as a result of depravity and a rejection of the knowledge of God.

solite3:
Romans 1:25-28 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

solite3:
muttylaff is not what humans want but what the will of God is.

human way no matter how elaborate, innocent, nice and harmless it may be, but the end of it is death.

Proverbs 16:2
All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.

Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

TV01:
Pain from revealed truth is ultimately that of growth and edification. But please calm yourself, this is not a 12 round professional championship fight. More like amateur novice level.

TV01:
SS physical intimacy is an abomination and against nature, as clearly stated. It’s against Gods will ergo, sinful and evil.

TV01:
No, what it is, is obfuscation, designed to draw attention from the nature of the thing and deflect attention to peoples desires and feelings around it. And, you are looking for avenues in which to take the discussion, when it is simply “are SS intimate relationships moral and biblically sanctified”.

TV01:
Again, you are trying to wrap this in a pretty package and present the packaging itself as the determinant in whether the contents are good or bad, holy or evil.

TV01:
Fine. However, no one demands those when discussing OS relationships or unions. Why, if you consider SS relationships equivalent, are you introducing additional burdens?

TV01:
Fine, although a minor point

TV01:
Yes, yes, and, if you are able, please do so.

TV01:
Because sexual intercourse was designed as an act of congress between male and female. It is abominable to all. God, people and right ordered society

TV01:
Firstly, such imperfections, be that of the body or behaviour are called what they are. Secondly, I can’t tell, is this a yes or a no to SSA and SSR? Are they part of Gods original plan? Shying away already .

TV01:
This pre-supposes a “yes” to my first question. Are you saying God ascribes sanctity to SS relationships – with or without your heavy qualification?

TV01:
This indicates a “no” to the first question Was SSA and SSR as a result of this Pandoras box of abnormalities and curses being opened?

TV01:
It’s not about the feeling, which appears to be an early point of departure for you. It’s about the facts and the truth.

TV01:
Cheers
TV

MuttleyLaff:
"These behaviours can be unlearnt, outgrown or in many cases can remain permanent."
- by frosbel2: 12:10pm On Jan 02

People like you frosbel2 become a suspect of homophobia when you start spouting rubbish like as in the above inverted commas quote and be advocating to unlearn something that is innately present and therefore wasnt at all in the first place learnt.

SMH. The greater the ignorance, the greater the homophobia.

You keep pussyfooting around when asked direct and pointed questions. You dont give a direct and outright response to the question, so I will, re-ask again here but in fitting manner with your above remark.

Now Ranchhodas, what is perverse in the lives of two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?

There are a lot of hypocrites reading, contributing to and commenting on this thread.

Most hypocrites can be excused and Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing, but alas the hypocrite believers and Christians ought to know better. Same hypocrite believers and Christians that love their shrimps, their lobsters, their crabs etcetera which essentially are "vultures" of the sea. Oh, the hypocrite believers and Christians love their delicious catfish, catfish that has no scales, catfish that the Bible classed as an abomination but oh no, the hypocrite believers and Christians are more interested in the lives of two ordinary consenting adults, that are in a caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour. Even when God specifically said eating catfish, bush meat shall be an abomination unto you (i.e. Leviticus 11:10, Leviticus 11:11, Leviticus 11:12, Leviticus 11:20 etcetera)

Now, I keep asking the frosbel2, Ranchhoddas, Shelumiel what is disgusting in, what is evil in, what is there to be frightened of, what's to be scared of, what is there to be threatened of or intimidated by, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour?

What is the abomination in two ordinary consenting adults, that are in a caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour? No one has been able to come forth with what the abomination is, in two ordinary consenting adults, that are in a caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

MuttleyLaff:
solite3, please dont get your knickers in a knot over something as obvious as this now. Tell me, and that is if you are going to be honest, sincere and truthful, is there nothing in and/or about being homosexual you hate, huh? See?

I still dont understand where you guys find that God hates homosexuality and called it abomination. Are you 110% sure, are you really sure the verses you had in mind absolutely said this, huh?

I remember last year, asking you that, what does the original word (i.e. toevah) translated as "abomination" means and in what context is it, used with Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13 but you dodged that question without replying to it. See now how, you can run from a question but you cant run for ever and hide from it. You are my customer daada ni

We know all these, but yeah, its here, what we and you going to do about two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour, huh?

solite3, you continually refuse and still havent said what the evil is in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour.

You this man, you have started with your proof texting again. Please provide this verse where and when Paul records that homosexuality is as a result of depravity and a rejection of the knowledge of God.

You want to hear word, isnt it, and that hear word, I'll give you.

Now you would accept and agree that there was no such thing as woman lying with woman in Old Testament Biblical records, erh?

Fast forward to New Testament Biblical records, and boom! What have we? Women, now too, are doing the female equivalent of, man lying down with man. Women have joined gang. Have left ordinarily being a shrine prostitute, for services of just men, but now offering the similar service for female patrons too

So what is happening and/or what happened in Romans 1:25-28?
Well, for your information solite3, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 with a twist

Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given. He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature) which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised"

solite3, there is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.