alBHAGDADI:
When 7 people are saying the same thing against one person saying something different, it usually means they are correct and that one person is wrong. But that is the way the world views things which is contrary to how God sees things. There are tonnes of religion all preaching works based salvation and claiming to be the way to God e.g Islam, bhudism, Hinduism, JW, Pentecostal churches, pagans etc. They are all saying your works have something to do with what gets you to heaven. Now can we say that is God's way, especially when his son says he is the way the truth and the life and that believe in him is all you need and not works as seen in Ephesians 2:8-9?

Are you saying when the world gathers and agrees on something, that is also what God agrees on?

Romans 3:4 (KJV)
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;

alBHAGDADI:


Mathew 9:13 kjv
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Other Bible versions have removed repentance from the passage.

New International Version
But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

New Living Translation
Then he added, "Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: 'I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices.' For I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners."

English Standard Version
Go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”


What they are basically saying is that Jesus came to call sinners for No purpose. Perhaps, they are saying the righteous people who Jesus said he did not come to call are doomed while sinners are the saved. No, he didn't come to call the righteous because they are already right. He came to call the sinners to repent of their sins and be righteous too.

Luke 5:31
And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

OLAADEGBU:
The Attack On The Word of God

See where it is coming from.

alBHAGDADI:
Don't you get it? Something is older doesn't mean. it is the accurate word of God. Satan has been perverting God's word since the garden of Eden, what makes you think he didn't do same during the time the apostles were writing the gospel?
Now, you claim a word was fraudulently inserted into 1 Timothy 3:16 of KJV. If I get you, that word is God, right? Now, look at how the KJV puts the verse.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Compare the above KJV with the NIV below to see the difference. The difference is that instead of the word God, the NIV and other Bible translations use the word HE.

NIV 1 Timothy 3:16
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory


Now, who is the HE who appeared in flesh? The NIV has no answer for that, but the kind James version does and the HE is God. The NIV and these modern Bible translations clearly attacks the Trinity, but you have failed to see that. They removed God and replaced it with HE. This means anybody can take the Antichrist as the HE. They don't want you to know that it is God who came in flesh to save mankind. The NIV and all these modern translations greatly appeal to false beliefs like that held by the Jehovah's Witnesses who say Jesus was an angel i.e angel Michael, which means it was angel Michael who came in flesh. But the king James version in its accuracy proves them wrong in 1 Timothy 3:16 by stating that it is God that came in flesh not angel Michael. The NIV and other translations only prove them right.

buchilino:


YES, WAT OF THE FORCE

OLAADEGBU:


Check it out here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua_YwPsE_q4

buchilino:


PLZ DO U HAVE D SOFT COPY

TATIME:
You're not getting my point here!
The KJV is not from those inspired Jews who penned down the scriptures,it's the handiwork of TRANSLATORS from England! So nobody can say the KJV is the best translation since you're not part of those who translated it from the ORIGINAL manuscripts. Your attachment to KJV is merely on the ground of FAMILIARITY.
For example, the NWT from Jehovah's Witnesses was translated from ancient manuscripts available,compared to existing versions(including the KJV) and used by Jehovah's Witnesses globally as the best translation ever. Why? Because it's the users that spent all their time,resources and effort in the TRANSLATION,and it has been revised for modern day English!
Unlike you who is just supporting the KJV because it's the translation that the Churches have been using since the 1600s reading and comfortable with the old English spoken by Romeo and Juliet as if Moses or Jesus speaks in the 17th century English!

TATIME:
God's people we're given the assignment to preach and teach globally, but the Churches are making things difficult for them. I'll use my own case as an example!
I knew Jehovah's Witnesses for the first time in 1993,whereas i've met them in schools and in the neighborhood but because i thought i'm a Christian and my parents who are misinformed churchgoers are preventing them from speaking to me, i never knew their purpose. It's when i started living on my own and noticing the way people often humiliate these easygoing preachers that i started asking thought provoking questions. And can you imagine that even those insulting them knew NOTHING about them! My father and mother said so many things against them but couldn't prove one single thing from the Bible!
That's when i realise that if i really want to know the TRUTH, i must ask these people questions to speak for themselves at least to hear them out!
So Mahatma Gandhi can't notice them since they're always facing fierce persecution from the religious leaders who feels they've come to snatch away their members,and these ones are the POPULAR religious people that Mahatma will know EASILY!
Michael Jackson, Prince, Terrence Howard are Americans and they're able to know Jehovah's Witnesses because America is the ONLY nation that insisted on FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship, so NOTHING could stop you from knowing Jehovah's Witnesses in their place unless if you choose to ignore them.
For your information, America is the worst when it comes to immorality but God is solidly behind that country because they gave HIS people total freedom to worship HIM!

alBHAGDADI:


Funny you.

You say the new translations also get revised to conform to modern English, which means you all did it so that people can understand the Bible easily. That is wrong because it is Not everybody that is suppose to understand the Bible. The only people who are to understand the Bible are people with the spirit of God because those without that spirit cannot understand the word of God which is spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Bible also says that the holy spirit will teach us all things. This means that if you don't have the holy spirit, you can't know all things which Jesus said in his word which is the Bible.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So, anybody trying to bring in a new translation in English other than the KJV is clearly on the wrong. They say they are revising into modern English so that people can understand, whereas the Bible clearly shows that you can understand unless you have the spirit of God. This means that the KJV which is in Archaic English of Shakespeare will still be understood by someone with the holy spirit in him. We have seen clearly from my previous posts on this thread how this modern translations omitted verses and removed words. They did so because of an agenda.

TATIME:
Jehovah's Witnesses aren't condemning those translations because any effort to translate a big book such as the Bible, which was originally written in three different ancient languages into the modern day languages Worth's commendations!
What we're saying is the TRANSLATORS made several mistakes that's distorting the meaning of the messages thereby jeopardizing the chances of understanding the Bible.
Jesus condemns killings but the Churches for centuries haven't figure out how to apply what this Nazarene said! Is that not worth examining?

alBHAGDADI:


Funny you.

You say the new translations also get revised to conform to modern English, which means you all did it so that people can understand the Bible easily. That is wrong because it is Not everybody that is suppose to understand the Bible. The only people who are to understand the Bible are people with the spirit of God because those without that spirit cannot understand the word of God which is spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Bible also says that the holy spirit will teach us all things. This means that if you don't have the holy spirit, you can't know all things which Jesus said in his word which is the Bible.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So, anybody trying to bring in a new translation in English other than the KJV is clearly on the wrong. They say they are revising into modern English so that people can understand, whereas the Bible clearly shows that you can understand unless you have the spirit of God. This means that the KJV which is in Archaic English of Shakespeare will still be understood by someone with the holy spirit in him. We have seen clearly from my previous posts on this thread how this modern translations omitted verses and removed words. They did so because of an agenda.

TATIME:
If we tell you that Jehovah's Witnesses have been in existence before Charles Taze Russell, you'll start arguing with us.
Well for your information, the GROUP name Jehovah's Witnesses was adopted during the 1930s, but all those who laid down their lives for the sake of the TRUTH are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES beginning from Abel till today!
Hebrew 11:4-12:1
Whoever died for the TRUTH (after Christ) and before the commencement of the gathering of the great crowd during the 1930s is PART OF THE 144,000!
So don't think that the GROUP name is what matters but rather it's their commitment to the TRUTH! God bless you.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmm You've shot yourself in the leg my friend! Because the Pharisees were criticising Jesus for the same reason. He was trying to SIMPLIFY God's word before the common people! John 7:46-49

Janosky:


The words of a coded Pharisee who promotes man made fallacies & false doctrines- once saved always saved; Trinity etc.

God does not desire that any should perish(2 pet 3:9) , by granting everyone the chance to gain "eternal life" by knowing the only true God & know Jesus whom God sent (John 17:3) but alBHAGDADI says "that is wrong because it is not everybody that is supposed to understand the Bible".

" How are people to call upon him whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear with out a preacher?" Rom10:14

This guy implies that holy spirit fell on Philip & he instantly received
understanding of the word....
Pharisee dey form Christian.
Lol

The real agenda here is your baseless claims that Matt 18:11& other verses were "removed"
Why U no mention one older manuscript wey no get those blank verses wey 15th copyists go put for TR manuscript?
U come here dey deceive yourself

alBHAGDADI:


John 7:46-49 King James Version (KJV)
46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.

47 Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived?

48 Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?

49 But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.

How does the above passage say Jesus was simplifying God's word before common people? Jesus is the Word of God and all he said are the words of God. He wasn't simplifying anything but saying them just as it is from God.

Look for another excuse

Emusan:


Waoooo it's getting more interesting, so those who died for the truth be it Christian, Muslim, Atheist e.tc before the group name was ADOPTED, were JWs.

So after a NAME was adopted in 1930's, why did your organization then say without being part of this group you'll be destroyed at Armageddon?

So to you now only to die for the TRUTH is the criteria to make heaven.

TATIME:

*If someone couldn't UNDERSTAND some forms of principles, how can he/she be obedient to it?
* And if it's only by God's spirit that people can UNDERSTAND HIS words,who is to blame if they failed to keep what they couldn't UNDERSTAND?
*Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation and there are so many religious groups contradicting the idea that someone called Jesus is whom they must believe to be saved,apart from countless others falsely claiming they belong to the same Jesus. So who is to blame if God's spirit should PARTIALLY reveal the TRUTH to some and leave others?
Well those questions needs to be answered otherwise you're indirectly justifying what ATHEISTS are claiming "there's no practical wisdom in what you're calling FAITH".

alBHAGDADI:


1. He can't understand those principles unless he is taught by a spirit person. Example is the Ethiopian Eunuch who red but couldn't understand until Philip taught him. After getting taught, he obeyed.

2. They failed to accept the spirit of God when the chance was offered which happened when they rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ. The procedure goes thus: Get preached to, accept Jesus Christ, receive the holy spirit and get the ability to read the Bible and understand it all alone. Without that procedure, you will never understand the Bible which is the word of God.

3. Mind you, it is not everybody that will be saved. Some are destined to be damned, that's why they never understand the Bible and get its content wrong. They simply failed to follow the above procedure which would have enable them receive the holy spirit which would have taught them the Bible and how to understand it.

Atheists have rejected the gospel and are even opposed to it. So how can they receive the spirit which will show them the wisdom of the Bible?

alBHAGDADI:
Other bible translations call Joseph the father of Jesus which is wrong. The King James Version carefully ensures such mistake doesn't happen.

Luke 2:33 King James Bible
And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.


But look at how other Bible translations rendered the verse.

New International Version
The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him.

New Living Translation
Jesus' parents were amazed at what was being said about him.

English Standard Version
And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him.

Berean Study Bible
The Child’s father and mother were amazed at what was spoken about Him.

Berean Literal Bible
And His father and mother were marveling at the things having been spoken concerning Him.

New American Standard Bible
And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him.

New World Translation
And its father and mother continued wondering at the things being spoken about it.



God Almighty is the father of Jesus Christ as seen in the verse below.

Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Now, if other bible translations say Joseph is the father of Jesus as shown in how they render Luke 2:33, then it means they are calling Joseph Blessed as seen in Ephesians 1:3 above. This is similar to how Catholics call Mary Blessed and mother of God.

Janosky:


Ee be like say u dey like iwuruwuru well well...

in all the older manuscript, "Joseph" was never mentioned in Luke 2:33, except in the KJV,
rather "father ' was stated there.

It's not necessary to over flog this issue since abundant evidence exist that Jehovah recognized Joseph as Jesus' adoptive father on earth
Matt1:18-25. 2:13-15.

U consciously admit that "God Almighty is " the God & Father of our lord Jesus Christ"(Eph1:3) but subconsciously kick against that gospel truth by your false doctrine of Trinity.

How can the son be Jehovah God he calls "my Father & my God?"

why u dey vex when Catholics call Mary "mother of God"?

It is hypocrisy for u to fault them. They are bold to admit what u deny. Belief in Trinity implies that your "triune god" has a mother.

TATIME:
So someone who devoted his/her time to reading, studying and meditating on Jesus' words that are WRITTEN in the Bible will be condemned because "he had not receive the holy spirit"
So how will an interested person IDENTIFY those that are having that spirit in the midst of thousands of so called Pastors that are materialists?
And God has DESTINED some to destruction! Please for what reason ooooo? Since they've been judged already without a fair trial!

alBHAGDADI:


Yes, because Jesus said in John 3;5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Yes, the person might study the Bible all day, but without the Holy Spirit in him, he is not saved. God can have mercy on such a person by sending a spirit-filled person to preach to him, show him the true meaning of what he has been reading, and get him saved. Remember that Ethiopian Eunuch who read the Old Testament but couldn't understand it or get saved as a result. God had mercy on him and sent Philip to teach him to understand what he read and get him saved.

Those whom God wants to save, he sends his children to go and preach to them. Remember the Bible says it is God that draws a person to himself.

John 6:44 King James Version (KJV)
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Unless God draws such a person, he will keep falling into the hands of ministers of satan who have transformed themselves into ministers of light.

People condemned already are so because they have rejected Jesus Christ despite having the knowledge.

alBHAGDADI:


Now, you claim a word was fraudulently inserted into 1 Timothy 3:16 of KJV. If I get you, that word is God, right? Now, look at how the KJV puts the verse.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Compare the above KJV with the NIV below to see the difference. The difference is that instead of the word God, the NIV and other Bible translations use the word HE.

NIV 1 Timothy 3:16
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory


Now, who is the HE who appeared in flesh? The NIV has no answer for that, but the kind James version does and the HE is God. The NIV and these modern Bible translations clearly attacks the Trinity, but you have failed to see that. They removed God and replaced it with HE. This means anybody can take the Antichrist as the HE. They don't want you to know that it is God who came in flesh to save mankind. The NIV and all these modern translations greatly appeal to false beliefs like that held by the Jehovah's Witnesses who say Jesus was an angel i.e angel Michael, which means it was angel Michael who came in flesh. But the king James version in its accuracy proves them wrong in 1 Timothy 3:16 by stating that it is God that came in flesh not angel Michael. The NIV and other translations only prove them right.

Janosky:


Be humble & admit the Gospel truth & make Satan shame.

The older manuscripts dates as far as before the 2nd century then the Trinity was never heard of or taught anywhere until about 3rd/4th century the council of Nicene brought it into being, by fire by force them begin falsify the manuscripts thereafter .

1 tim3:16, the word "God" is not in the Septuagint or any other older manuscripts except the 16th century TR.
https://biblehub.com/1_Timothy/3-16.htm

God in heaven spoke &called himself "son" Matt 3:16,17

"God". prayed to himself Matt 26:39
"God" cried out 'why he had forsaken himself', Matt 27:46

Then, "God" died Matt27:50

whereas the ALMIGHTY God Jehovah is immortal, never dies . Psalm90:1,2. 1tim 1:17

Janosky:


Be humble & admit the Gospel truth & make Satan shame.

The older manuscripts dates as far as before the 2nd century then the Trinity was never heard of or taught anywhere until about 3rd/4th century the council of Nicene brought it into being, by fire by force them begin falsify the manuscripts thereafter to suit alBHAGDADI lies.

1 tim3:16, the word "God" does not occur " in the Septuagint or any other older manuscripts except the 16th century TR.
In the oldest manuscripts,it reads thus: "He who was manifest ..."
https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm

God in heaven spoke &called himself "son" Matt 3:16,17

"God". prayed to himself Matt 26:39
"God" cried out 'why he had forsaken himself', Matt 27:46

Then, "God" died Matt27:50

whereas the ALMIGHTY God Jehovah is immortal, never dies . Psalm90:1,2. 1tim 1:17