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Oeworldbest1:
Who is alonso who is scholes you Bleep up, if you had mentioned Beckham I would have kept quiet

So you think beckham was a better long passer than scholes or Alonso. U no kukuma sabi anything.

sunkieisland:
By saying singlehandedly, I meant these guys stood out in their respective teams. And all of them won golden boots in the tourneys their respective teams won.

The ultimate price in world football is the world cup. The ultimate PRICE in European club football is the uefa champions league.

It's going to be off point to say that because an individual has dominated the uefa champions league and the Spanish La Liga, he should be rated as the greatest of all time.


The fact is that he hasn't even broken all of Pele's records. Though his records are outstanding,

My disagreement is the AT part of the GOAT. Calling him greatest of all time means no one in any footballing era can be compared.


I know that you are a die hard Messi fan as I'm a Ronaldo fan but anytime the Messi-Ronaldo debate comes up, I stay away because I know that in most areas of football, Messi beats Ronaldo hands down, I don't argue blindly like a die hard fan

But results in football are incontrovertible. Pele has 3 world cup trophies, Messi has none

So how is he the greatest of all time ?

With Champions League trophies or La Liga trophies?

When he wins one world cup trophy, we can consider him for the GOAT title.

I rest my argument here finally

The Pele you speak so highly of have you seen his clips? I bet you haven't and don't even bother because you would enjoy watching Harry Kane's highlights more .

Evangkatsoulis:
So you think beckham was a better long passer than scholes or Alonso. U no kukuma sabi anything.

Aswear you be disappointment, who compares anyone to Beckham for long ball accuracy. Beckham wey don dey practice scoring corner kicks from age 15

Omoluabi9:
NOT EVEN CLOSE!

He is not as great as Diego Maradona and Ronaldo De Lima.

If you know, you know...

Dude, don't let hatred kill u....what did MARADONA do for football apart from winning a WC, what records does he have? Did u even watch he's matches.....enjoy the G.O.A.T u av now instead of talking about the one u neva watched..... Messi done a lot for football, broken a lot of records, more than those two u mentioned.....U want to tell me one trophy makes him any less of the G.O.A.T he already is.....Delima Ronaldo neva won a UCL trophy, but he is still one of the greats......Quit being bias, WC is not the basis of success, we both know individually...MARADONA and Delima can't even hold a candle near Messi.

sunkieisland:
All my stats are verifiable stats. Can we verify this stats with FIFA.

Like I said I have nothing against Messi as a player but respect but

The term GOAT is subjective.

In what conditions are you naming him the GOAT, if it's based on his wonderful ball control, goals, and all round comprehension of the game, then I give it to him, but other than this,


A GOAT that can help his country win a world cup at the expense of Germany, is that one a GOAT?

I'M not against Messi but reason as without sentiments for once,




Is Messi really the greatest of all time?

I agree he could be named the greatest of the 21st century but of all time nada


Where do you put the likes of

Eusebio
Cruyff
Beckenbauer
Bobby Charlton

These guys single handedly won world cups for their nation's yet they're all in Pele's shadow

I rest my argument

Cheers

haba brother. Eusebio and cruyff never won world cup. Beckenbauer and Bobby Charlton won world cup but not single-handedly. The only person that came close to that is maradona but even his team supported him strongly and killed off Germany in 86 final when he did not have a good game. Quit this myth, you can be by far the best player in a team but you cannot win a competition single-handedly

Krasid:
This is why Hazard will not win a ballon d'or. He would rather fanboy an ambitionless midget contented with lifting La liga and copa every year than the king who has won it all. Pathetic. It's no coincidence that Mbappe who is a CR7 fan already has a better ballon d'or ranking than Hazard at just 20. And I surmise that he will win one very soon and move to a bigger club like Madrid whilst Hazard would soon clock 30 and still be watching youtube videos of Messi with his kids and fawning about how Messi is the only G.O.A.T.

HATE will end up Killin u...A footballer that has achieved what others dream of is ambitionless....lol, ur logic is pathetic....so being a fan of player guarantees u the balon dor?....oh sh!t, ur daft.....Damn, I dunno how nairaland manages to house a large number of simpletons....Since wen did balon dor become the height of success as footballer.... MARADONA neva won it but sh!t, he's still one of the greats.

Oeworldbest1:
The Pele you speak so highly of have you seen his clips? I bet you haven't and don't even bother because you would enjoy watching Harry Kane's highlights more .

I'll reply because you talked of clips. I only talked of stats nothing more.


I personally don't watch Messi week in week out and like I said, I'm not a fanatic. But I appreciate the correction of the person who talked of Cruyff and Eusebio.

saucemanny:
messi is like someone working under his fathers company who never taste failure n challenges as much compare to someone who worked in ajegunle from there get employed in lekki then move to banana island.to me rc7 have worked in different land with different club shine like sun.so your goat should try it by then ii shall concur if he shine all through.

Believe me wen I tell u, he doesnt seek ur recognition.

sunkieisland:
Greatest of all time is what people should check and double check.

I respect Messi as a player and I enjoy watching him but really can he compare to the Greatest Pele.

Pele.
8 goals in a match - 1 time
5 goals in a match - 6 times
4 goals in a match - 8 times

92 hat tricks.

Doubles are so much I can't count.

Over a thousand career goals

Youngest world cup player and scorer
Youngest world cup winner

3 world cup trophies


Please argue with stats before you call someone the GOAT.

Like I said I respect Messi, though I'm a CR-7 fan, but don't compare Results. They're far apart.

Dude, stop counting exhibition goals here...Pele scored 767 competitive goals, the b!tch added exhibition goals and the goals he scored in the military. Don't be ignorant bro, just Google "players with 500 goals or more" ...*pele's biggest fan*....mtcheew.

Oeworldbest1:
That's in backyard football.
Has he ever scored 22 goals in a game. Ronaldinho did it lol

Dude, dat was done in he's youth club....it's not professional....that sh!t don't count

Airhuncho:
Don't let hatred kill u...

I read your first statement above, and I know say na rubbish you wan talk. Didn't bother to read the rest...

To the point, Messi is a PLAYER (no doubt), BUT he no play ball reach DE LIMA!

PERIOD!

Argue with your keypad/keyboard.

Omoluabi9:
Correct man!

I no just understand this generation.

They wan make Messi ''Greatest of All Time'' by force!

Messi na baller anytime, BUT he no play ball reach Ronaldo R9 (God bless his soul) and even Maradona sef!

I'm confused, what did Ronaldo and MARADONA do dat Messi cannot do with the ball....dudes, quit being hateful pr!cks....U n I know u neva watched a MARADONA game, just a couple highlights...all of a sudden ur a MARADONA faithful....lol.

Airhuncho:
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Dude, I no dey argue for NL (check my history)

I see something and I say it (The truth)

Messi na player, CONFIRM!

But he no ball reach Ronaldo R9; and even though I prefer Messi's style to Maradona, he no ball reach am!

End of.

Airhuncho:
HATE will end up Killin u...A footballer that has achieved what others dream of is ambitionless....lol, ur logic is pathetic.Damn, I dunno how nairaland manages to house a large number of simpletons....Since wen did balon dor become the height of success as footballer.... MARADONA neva won it but sh!t, he's still one of the greats.

Dude there's a tendency that you are bound to emulate whoever you see you idolize. If your idol smokes, you will smoke sooner or later; if he's ambitionless, you would be ambitionless. And yes Hazard with his skillset and talent should at 28 have won at least one UCL and a couple of ballon d'ors if he had a little bit more ambition to develop his game, probably improve his scoring. If the ballon d'or shouldn't be the height of a successful footballer then what should be? And Maradona likewise Pele never won it because at the time it was only awarded to Europeans. Your football knowledge is rudimentary if you don't know this.

Oeworldbest1:
Aswear you be disappointment, who compares anyone to Beckham for long ball accuracy. Beckham wey don dey practice scoring corner kicks from age 15

Another dullard. So scoring cornerkicks is the same as giving 60m passes?

HellVictorinho:
Messi-worshippers are simply daft!!!!.
Why would anyone exaggerate by calling Messi a god and then call it a fact.
I know he is one of the most successful players ever but statistically he is not better than Cr7.
I know lunatics will strongly disagree with facts like Ronaldo having a better goal ratio since he joined Madrid,Messi having many PENALTY and TAPIN goals just like Ronaldo,Ronaldo having almost the same number of assists as Messi despite the noise about Messi being far better than Ronaldo in that aspect,Messi not being Barca's most significant player when they won major trophies in the 2004/2005 and 2005/2006 seasons,Ronaldo having played in different positions in his career to the extent of being selected as part of countless "team of the tournament" squads as a player even in different positions.
But I'm not shell shocked because most football enthusiasts are CRAZY about football.

Another wannabe genius, dude....if u don't know statistics, pls shut up....U just said complete trash with certainty.

Krasid:
An international failure can never be my G.O.A.T

Ahhh, I bet u don't know he has an Olympic gold medal.....damn, hate is really a bad look....Nobody cares who ur G.O.A.T....this was never about u in the first place....#hater

sunkieisland:
All my stats are verifiable stats. Can we verify this stats with FIFA.

Like I said I have nothing against Messi as a player but respect but

The term GOAT is subjective.

In what conditions are you naming him the GOAT, if it's based on his wonderful ball control, goals, and all round comprehension of the game, then I give it to him, but other than this,


A GOAT that can help his country win a world cup at the expense of Germany, is that one a GOAT?

I'M not against Messi but reason as without sentiments for once,




Is Messi really the greatest of all time?

I agree he could be named the greatest of the 21st century but of all time nada


Where do you put the likes of

Eusebio
Cruyff
Beckenbauer
Bobby Charlton

These guys single handedly won world cups for their nation's yet they're all in Pele's shadow

I rest my argument

Cheers

Pls wen did cryuff and eusebio win world cups?....damn, they r all great regardless of the world cup....don't hate bro.

Nobody can singlehandedly win any tournament...don't get crazy.

sunkieisland:
By saying singlehandedly, I meant these guys stood out in their respective teams. And all of them won golden boots in the tourneys their respective teams won.

The ultimate price in world football is the world cup. The ultimate PRICE in European club football is the uefa champions league.

It's going to be off point to say that because an individual has dominated the uefa champions league and the Spanish La Liga, he should be rated as the greatest of all time.


The fact is that he hasn't even broken all of Pele's records. Though his records are outstanding,

My disagreement is the AT part of the GOAT. Calling him greatest of all time means no one in any footballing era can be compared.


I know that you are a die hard Messi fan as I'm a Ronaldo fan but anytime the Messi-Ronaldo debate comes up, I stay away because I know that in most areas of football, Messi beats Ronaldo hands down, I don't argue blindly like a die hard fan

But results in football are incontrovertible. Pele has 3 world cup trophies, Messi has none

So how is he the greatest of all time ?

With Champions League trophies or La Liga trophies?

When he wins one world cup trophy, we can consider him for the GOAT title.

I rest my argument here finally

Hey dude, Olivier giroud played the world cup...didn't get a shot on target but wow... he's a world cup winner, does dat make him better than Suarez?

Krasid:
Dude there's a tendency that you are bound to emulate whoever you see you idolize. If your idol smokes, you will smoke sooner or later; if he's ambitionless, you would be ambitionless. And yes Hazard with his skillset and talent should at 28 have won at least one UCL and a couple of ballon d'ors if he had a little bit more ambition to develop his game, probably improve his scoring. If the ballon d'or shouldn't be the height of a successful footballer then what should be? And Maradona likewise Pele never won it because at the time it was only awarded to Europeans. Your football knowledge is rudimentary if you don't know this.

Ur shallow minded, football is a team sport....he can't do it by himself....how does "ambitionless" fall into place?.....players pray to achieve half of what Messi has achieved. Balloon dor isn't everything for a footballer, Ibrahimovic dat played round the world neva won a UCL, isnt he ambitionless? Pfft!

Evangkatsoulis:
Another dullard. So scoring cornerkicks is the same as giving 60m passes?

you are a big mumu aswear. You are really dull. I'm telling you someone has mad long range ball accuracy and giving you examples you are saying nonsense. You can't relate the two because you are not bright now. How many players can do that. Can't even believe this argument, haven't you heard bend it like Beckham. Mtschew, abeg get out you don't know what you are typing

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Airhuncho:
Dude, dat was done in he's youth club....it's not professional....that sh!t don't count

Pele's backyard goals don't count too

joyfullyjoyous:
Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the greatest of all time.

True talk, but na football we dey talk here.

Airhuncho:
Another wannabe genius, dude....if u don't know statistics, pls shut up....U just said complete trash with certainty.

Another Lunatic!!!!

Don't ever compare Ronaldo to. Messi

obonujoker:
Messi fans say Messi competes with Modric and co for assists, buh they forget that Ronaldo has over 230 career assists which is more than what even their Xavi and Iniesta combined produced during their peak years....

Can someone actually understand this messi fans??

are you even listening to yourself

Airhuncho:
Hey dude, Olivier giroud played the world cup...didn't get a shot on target but wow... he's a world cup winner, does dat make him better than Suarez?

Thank you so much ... this redundant thinking of winning the world cup making you a supernatural being just gets me angry. messi and Ronaldo Dont need a world cup title to be the G.O.A.T ...

I like all the comments. C. Ronaldo was not even part of the discourse. My argument is that Pele was a better player to take the GOAT title for now.

Player of the Century by Football Analysts ranks Pele higher

and Internet polls ranks Diego Maradona higher

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Player_of_the_Century

This is award for the last century

And for all time Pele had 63 votes against Messi's 49

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_players_considered_the_greatest_of_all_time

When arguing, always argue with stats. The fanaticism Nlanders have for Messi will make them not look at the stats and look at this century only.

People have been playing good football before Messi or Ronaldo was born and people will continue even after their retirement. The same way you're shouting Messi and Ronaldo now, people were shouting Pele and Maradona back in the days.

So before you give some one an award that he is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME, 20TH AND 21ST centuries of football as we know it,

Think clearly and look at the factors at play

Some school of thought believe that Messi should try his wits in another club, even though I think this is unnecessary, he should even try to prove his critics wrong and try another club in another league for once.
Of all the footballers that were considered greatest of all time, Messi is the only one-club player amongst them. I doff my hat for his artistry on the ball but do something else for once then his index in the greatest of all time rankings will increase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_players_considered_the_greatest_of_all_time


English people will never consider him greatest of all time, neither will Italians nor the French. (Ronaldo will be ranked higher in these leagues)

Food for thought for the Messi die hard fans

Oeworldbest1:
you are a big mumu aswear. You are really dull. I'm telling you someone has mad long range ball accuracy and giving you examples you are saying nonsense. You can't relate the two because you are not bright now. How many players can do that. Can't even believe this argument, haven't you heard bend it like Beckham. Mtschew, abeg get out you don't know what you are typing

Another product of low-IQ nation, bend it like beckham talks about his freekicks and crosses not passes. Nobody bends a 70m pass, you wan break ya leg?

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Evangkatsoulis:
Another product of low-IQ nation, bend it like beckham talks about his freekicks and crosses not passes. Nobody bends a 70m pass, you wan break ya leg?

Ode Beckham bent it from his own half into the post during matches. Watch ball you will not watch you will be arguing what you don't know