aysha37:
Yes he has,I came across a topic on Islamqa website where Sheikh Abdulmanajjid stated its haram.So I wanted to search deep.I love baking and most of my customers are birthday and wedding celebrants.I know I'm going to loose most of them,but I'm ready to quit before I die feeding on haram.Atleast my heart will be at peace.

Sister continue to use Islamicqa, they provide evidences from the Qur'an and the Sunnah.

tintingz:
Ok, is killing apostate right?

Dude, tell us your own morality stance on this and stop this straws.

I know you are being frustrated. I will continue to frustrate you. Your questions derail this thread.

najib632:
Sister continue to use Islamicqa, they provide evidences from the Qur'an and the Sunnah.

But the dude used to romance the website but now saying they are upon lkhwanmuslimun manhaj and they strayed. But he used to use the website as evidence anytime we debated. He would run there to pull references. Now he distances himself. He used to praised owner of the site, sheikh Muhammad Al-Munajjid.

He's a confused fellow. He's remotely controlled taqlidi but he denied being blind follower.

Empiree:
But the dude used to romance the website but now saying they are upon lkhwanmuslimun manhaj and they strayed. But he used to use the website as evidence anytime we debated. He would run there to pull reference. Now he distances himself. He used to praised owner of the site, sheikh Muhammad Al-Munajjid.

He's a confused fellow. He's remotely controlled taqlidi but he denied being blind follower.

I swear we are in times of great fitnah, people who are not open minded are easily misguided. What annoys me the most are the people that make Takfir of the Sahaba and the Imams.

iamgenius:

And you didn't read what she said there.
About the free mixing in weddings, according to the level of my knowledge but Allah knows best, the free mixing is not her business unless if she will also be partaking in the free mixing.
Since weddings are Halaal "aslan". Halaal things can be mixed with things that are not permissible, and that doesnt make it Haraam.

It's obvious they can't be all relatives, even there's limit of mixing between relatives like cousins to cousins mixing.

Exactly, freemixing in wedding on none of her business. Is it her cake that would cause the Freemixing? Absolutely NO! What's the headache?! Whether they smooch, peek or kiss in a birthday party or wedding ceremony, that's the problem of those involved and we will all be accountable to our Lord.

If the op refused to bake for birthdays or wedding cos of the fear of freemixing or whatever, will her not baking stop them from organizing birthdays?! If she refuses to bake, will it stop freemixing in weddings?! Why must she not bake?! I am just curious.

Let me give some scenarios.

Scenario 1

Mr A is a supplier of bags of rice and beans and a young man visited his stores to buy foodstuffs. He wanna buy 30 bags of rice and 20 gallons of groundut oil. But Mr A has learnt or perceived him to be a yahoo boy. Won't he sell to him because of his job? Or idol worshipper came to buy palm oil (maybe to worship his idols or feast for the gods), won't he sell to such person?

He would, what he is trading is 100% halal and Mr A is simply running your own business. What people do what they bought or the means of their wealth is none of his business. Their decision is with Allah.


Scenario 2
You are a vet doctor and a man called you to inform you that his pig farm has been infected with a viral disease that is killing tons of his pigs. He needs your help. Won't you do your job to save the pigs?

Or you won't save them because pigs are haram in Islam?! You are simply offering an halal service. A lady (prostitute) would enter paradise because of feeding a starving dog (which is also haram (to some extent) in Islam) and another lady would be in hell cos of starving a cat.
Why won't the man start killing pigs cos they are haraam? Allah created pigs for a purpose and He didn't ask us to starve them to death or refrain from treating them. Since one is not selling them and one's MAIN specialization is not treating pigs and one is not benefiting DIRECTLY from them, then no problem.

Scenario 3
You are a medical doctor and they brought a kaffir patient to you. Would you say "Oh no, I can't treat him. He is a kaffir, he is impure. Just let him die. If I treat him, he would revert to his disbelief. Let him die, that's one less a kaffir on the surface on the earth" WTF!!!!

Do your job man, forget about the person or what he will be up to after having good health. That's his problem with his creator.



Bottom line is that the basis of what you are offering matters the most. Is it Halal or Haram ?! If it is halal, why the headache?!

Baking cakes is halal as far as I know. What people do with the cake is none of your business. The basis of your work is permissible. If they like, they should use it for birthdays or ogun festival or house warming, that's their own problems with their creator, not yours.

Even if one claims you are aiding them in doing bad, how are you aiding them?! Is it the cake that would satisfy their hunger?! Without the cake, will they die?! Without the cake, won't there be Freemixing?! Without the cake, won't the birthday party hold?!

iamgenius:
About the birthday, brother, don't follow your whims. I won't discuss this.

Please just prove it is haraam from kitab wa sunnah or qiyas from scholars.

Empiree:
But the dude used to romance the website but now saying they are upon lkhwanmuslimun manhaj and they strayed. But he used to use the website as evidence anytime we debated. He would run there to pull references. Now he distances himself. He used to praised owner of the site, sheikh Muhammad Al-Munajjid.

He's a confused fellow. He's remotely controlled taqlidi but he denied being blind follower.

Wallah I was shocked to see that. This is a guy who quotes islamqa freely then. Any thread is islamqa upandan. Just suddenly he realizes the owner is an ikhwaani haha kilode .

Now he is championing another website, maybe in a year's time, that website would be shia website and he come up with another website

lanrexlan:
Wallah I was shocked to see that. This is a guy who quotes islamqa freely then. Any thread is islamqa upandan. Just suddenly he realizes the owner is an ikhwaani haha kilode .

Now he is championing another website, maybe in a year's time, that website would be shia website and he come up with another website

He's taqlidi. He can deny that all he wants. Sectarianism is his problem. If he had chosen neutral ground like I do, even if he is "Salafi", would have been better. I have said it many times that sectarianism clouds judgement. But if you stay outside of it you are able to see more. Mind you he did the same with sheik imran eleha. He used to say the sheik is the only one that preaches "pristine Islam" but suddenly turned away from him. Looks like he's doing the same with sheik saraf gbadebo and Alfa Alaro. He used to praised them but now, he said they have problems.

I doubt this thread isn't the most ridiculous topic I've ever read in this section.

Empiree:


He's taqlidi. He can deny that all he wants. Sectarianism is his problem. If he had chosen neutral ground like I do, even if he is "Salafi", would have been better. I have said it many times that sectarianism clouds judgement. But if you stay outside of it you are able to see more. Mind you he did the same with sheik imran eleha. He used to say the sheik is the only one that preaches "pristine Islam" but suddenly turned away from him. Looks like he's doing the same with sheik saraf gbadebo and Alfa Alaro. He used to praised them but now, he said they have problems.

I decided to turn a blind eye to all have been said about me on this thread, but the bolded I can't, so I'll ask you, show me where I ever praised imran Eleha, specifically where I said he is the only one that preaches pristine Islam. You know it has become a habit of yours to lie on me, I swear by Allaah, I will collect all my rights from you insha Allaah in the day of judgement, so keep compiling all the lies you have lied upon me.

AbdelKabir:


I decided to turn a blind eye to all have been said about me on this thread, but the bolded I can't, so I'll ask you, show me where I ever praised imran Eleha, specifically where I said he is the only one that preaches pristine Islam. You know it has become a habit of yours to lie on me, I swear by Allaah, I will collect all my rights from you insha Allaah in the day of judgement, so keep compiling all the lies you have lied upon me.

You don't need to sound victim. You expect me to dig up your past history as Lexiconkabir, abi?. Aren't you the same person then?.

I still remember that post but you don't expect me to dig up over 3yrs old post. You have recollection problem. Website issue is enough evidence. So, in Sha Allah, you have nothing to collect from me in akhira.

Empiree:
You don't need to sound victim. You expect me to dig up your past history as Lexiconkabir, abi?. Aren't you the same person then?.

I still remember that post but you don't expect me to dig up over 3yrs old post. You have recollection problem. Website issue is enough evidence. So, in Sha Allah, you have nothing to collect from me in akhira.

We shall see about that, akhira is not as far as many think. So continue with what you are doing, surely we will meet our lord one day and he will judge between us.

AbdelKabir:


We shall see about that, akhira is not as far as many think. So continue with what you are doing, surely we will meet our lord one day and he will judge between us.

Your are a professional victim. Stop being a crying baby and own up to your responsibility.


Modified


I will back search previous posts and take my time today. Until I find something, I will consider you to be the one until proven otherwise. If I find the post under someone else's moniker, only then I will tender apology and own up to my mistake

AbdelKabir:


We shall see about that, akhira is not as far as many think. So continue with what you are doing, surely we will meet our lord one day and he will judge between us.

Alright, I searched NAIRALAND database and Google. This is what I found.

I noticed you have always had resentment for sheikh imran Eleha. I remembered that conversations. Note that you deleted your old moniker, Lexiconkabir but it shows "nobody". I know it is you under the posts.

So I noticed that it was another moniker back in 2010 that came up with allegation I accused you of. However, I estimated the alleged post to be sometimes between 2015 to 2017 when you became active NL member as far as I know because myself was not active in NL religion sections until 2014. It caught me by surprise that the allege post was actually 2010. I don't remember been in religion section at the time at all.

Read the guy's post. What I accused you of was not really worded like this but was very closed. Unfortunately I can't find it or maybe it never existed. The thread in question was more than 1 page but this one was only two posts. I had no idea whom sheikh imran was until around 2015. That's why I feel like it was not possible for me to have actually seen this guy's post or paid significant attention to it. I don't even know the brother.

Now, since I can't find what I am looking for exactly and I am not interested in further research, I tender my apology for you. So now, are you still gonna come after me in akhira to demand justice?. If you do so, Allah will show you this text regardless of whether internet is no more, that I have paid you back for the wrong accusation. So again, I am sorry for accusing you for previously prasing sheikh Eleha and later faulted him

Turns out you have the recollection problem. I have always spoken against imran eleha from the first lecture I heard from him.


Well, you just cleared yourself off this lie against me, so this is gone.... We have some more lies, do yourself a favor and stop lying against people, till today I remember that lie you lied against imam Ash-shaafi'i, you have many things on your back, don't add to it in the future by verifying things properly before making claims and not lying on people.

AbdelKabir:
Turns out you have the recollection problem. I have always spoken against imran eleha from the first lecture I heard from him.


Well, you just cleared yourself off this lie against me, so this is gone.... We have some more lies, do yourself a favor and stop lying against people, till today I remember that lie you lied against imam Ash-shaafi'i, you have many things on your back, don't add to it in the future by verifying things properly before making claims and not lying on people.

Dont even go there. I know what you talking about. And i am not the only one to say that. You talking about Imam Shafi'i composed salawat for nabi other than salat ibrahimiyya. That's a fact. I am not the only one to say that. I owe you nothing else. Your fellow salafi confirm that sahaba and tabi'n composed salawat for nabi. If you dont have daleel it means you only know what is within your reach. I dont owe you anything else. You are not Imam Shafii(ra). There are great scholars of Islam including members of ahlus sunnah who confirmed Imam and others composed poems, Qasida and salawat for nabi(saw). So suck it up. I owe you nothing else.

Empiree:
But the dude used to romance the website but now saying they are upon lkhwanmuslimun manhaj and they strayed. But he used to use the website as evidence anytime we debated. He would run there to pull references. Now he distances himself. He used to praised owner of the site, sheikh Muhammad Al-Munajjid.

He's a confused fellow. He's remotely controlled taqlidi but he denied being blind follower.

Are you saying if someone does something wrong and then corrects himself later after discovering it's wrong, it still doesn't count? And that you'll use previous actions to judge an individual?

Nadheer15:
Are you saying if someone does something wrong and then corrects himself later after discovering it's wrong, it still doesn't count? And that you'll use previous actions to judge an individual?

I have no idea what you talking about and I don't know if your post related.

Empiree with his sick ideology. SMH

I have my reservations on muhammad salih al munajid, we also have scholars in Saudi without ikhwani affiliation that are behind bars.

Fundamentalist:
Emp iree with his sick ideology. SMH

I have my reservations on muhammad salih al munajid, we also have scholars in Saudi without ikhwani affiliation that are behind bars.

Tell us what you know about him bro.

Fundamentalist:
Empiree with his sick ideology. SMH

I have my reservations on muhammad salih al munajid, we also have scholars in Saudi without ikhwani affiliation that are behind bars.

your problem not mine. I have no problems with any scholars of Islam.

It was you guys that praised and quoted the website (Islamqa) up-and-down. It was you guys who claimed he followed Sunnah. And now he's "misguided", right?.

You and abdelkabir need to make up your mind. If I ask you now what is sick about my ideology you will be dumbfounded.

iamgenius:

Tell us what you know about him bro.

The man has no qibla (direction) , always trying to showcase cluelesness and ignorance at same time .

Fundamentalist:


The man has no qibla (direction) , always trying to showcase cluelesness and ignorance at same time .

How is that? Kindly, explain bro.

Empiree:


See bunch of confused people. She said she quit baking business bcuz of free mixing at wedding. She said baking for them is like "encouraging free mixing".

You (iamgenius) on the other hand said nothing wrong with baking cake for the wedding ceremony.

Who is confused here?

Again, where is evidence that birthdays are Haram?. She said a sheik said it is Haram. She didn't say Nabi (saw) said so.

I am wondering what Sunnah you guys follow?. It is obvious that you simply hate anyone whose manhaj is contrary to yours instead of looking for facts. Since you claim you follow sunnah, it only makes sense for you guys to provide proof from the Sunnah where it says birthdays are Haram. Onus lies on you not the contrary.

And I guess you guys have stopped romancing Islamqa website bcuz it no longer suits you, but the sister quoted owner of the site that birthday is Haram.

Talk about confusion

Empiree, you should also stop selling foodstuffs and bottled water to be cooked for and drank by guests at wedding events 'cos of the possibility of free-mixing at such events. In fact, never ever sell aso ebi to the potential attendees. You hear me?
Allah, bless your servants with common sense.

aadoiza:

Empiree, you should also stop selling food stuff and bottled water to be cooked for and drank by guests at wedding events 'cos of the possibility of free-mixing at such events. In fact, never ever sell aso ebi to the potential attendees. You hear me?
Allah, bless your servants with common sense.

LOL

aysha37:
Trade is permitted in Islam but not all trades.Birthdays are haram so is wedding dinners involving music n mixture of male n female who are not blood related.Selling alchohol is haram,since this is haram likewise I think making birthday cakes is haram too because we are helping in trangression.I've decided to stop baking for weddings n dinners.

Who told you birthdays are haram?
Evidence?

These online Pseudo Scholars should be very careful of extremism, because their ideologies depict extresim.
Such as the ones who said foreign education is haram because it allows free mixing of males and females..
The government should even put them under survey, because we don't know what we'll have in our hands in some years to come.