achorladey:
Barristter07: Even those you are quoting colosians 2;8 for will answer yes if you ask them if they believe Jesus. yet you quote scripture on their matter showing mouth isn’t enough. does their teaching reveal this that they say with their mouth?

Achoradey: I have responded to the first part of the above in kindness.

as it is you dragging what is not there when I cited colossians 2:8.

One of your GOVERNING BODY member has something to say concerning this quote of yours DOES THEIR TEACHINGS REVEAL THIS THAT THEY SAY WITH THEIR MOUTH?......

A question posed by a lawyer to one of JWS governing body member in one famous country in the year 2015.............

LAWYER: And do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's spokespeople on earth?

Response to the question by the Governing Body member

GOVERNING BODY MEMBER:

That I think would seem to be quite PRESUMPTUOUS to say that we are the ONLY SPOKESMAN The scriptures clearly show that SOMEONE can act in harmony with GOD'S SPIRIT in giving congregations, but if I could just clarify a little, going back to Matthew 24, clearly, Jesus said that in the last days and Jehovah's Witnesses believe these are the last days there would be a slave, a group of persons who would have responsibility to care for the spiritual food. So in that respect, we view ourselves as TRYING to fulfil that role.


Barristter07:, when you Identify that Governing Body member that said what is highlighted above, feel free to write a letter to him asking, where EXACTLY in Matthew 24:45 say that, that FAITHFUL slave is a GROUP of PERSONS?

Do not forget to highlight the fact that that the said GOVERNING BODY MEMBER LIED under OATH. Why did I say so? Read the record below.........

All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the “greatly diversified wisdom of God” can become known ONLY through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the FAITHFUL and DISCREET SLAVE. (The Watchtower; 10/1/1994; pp. 8 )

No matter where we may live on earth, God’s Word continues to serve as a light to our path and a lamp to our roadway as to our conduct and beliefs. (Ps. 119:105) But Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his “faithful and discreet slave,” made up of spirit anointed ones, to help CHRISTIANS in all NATIONS to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. UNLESS we are in TOUCH with this CHANNEL of COMMUNICATION that GOD is USING, we will not PROGRESS along the ROAD to LIFE, no matter how much BIBLE READING WE do. (The Watchtower; 12/1/1981; pp. 27)

Not only that the "spirit anointed" GOVERNING BODY MEMBER LIED under OATH, The GB made themselves equal in STATUS to JESUS by saying Nobody will progress ALONG the ROAD leading to life despite knowing that JESUS is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE. John 14:6

Barristter07: They are only repeating what Jesus said at Matt 25;34-40,

Achorladey: Bring the repetition out let us see?

Barristter07: Another reference point;

Achorladey: Make it a case study paapaa!

Barristter07: who are you to approve or disapprove what they( GOVERNING BODY) have said? so far they belive john 14:6 and confess Jesus is the Lord, does it matter how they explain matthew 25; 34-40?

Achorladey: Who are you to approve or disapprove what they (OTHER CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS) have said? so far they believed John 14:6 and confess Jesus is the Lord, does it matter how they explain John 1:1. Oga Barristter07 how this take sound for your hear.

Barristte07: You are not smart

Achorladey: According to (barristter07;2019). Place it on marble if you want.

Barristter07: Ephesians 4: 12 READJUSTMENT is one of the work of those taking the lead.

Achorladey: Its not part of CHRIST gift to you, it is the work of those taking the lead, O yo iwo sile. READJUSTMENT Saga that one na another SAGA

Barristter07: This humility is what sincere ones cherish in them,

Achorladey: Did I see you type HUMILITY. Haahahahahahahaha, humble people going as far as SEATING on JESUS seat to judge people and also BECOMING THE WAY. I not only SEE the HUMILITY, it radiates ALL OVER YOUR POST too.

Barristter07: unlike your scattered entities that are tossed around with conflicting teachings.

Achorladey: Even the NOT SCATTERED ENTITY are still being tossed around with CONFLICTING TEACHINGS by the GOVERNING BODY the head of Congregation of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES as the image earlier posit.

Barristter07: identify those who take the role of readjustment among you?

Achorladey: Its good to show WAITING attitude and HUMILITY regarding my response to the above just like your GOVERNING BODY always do.

Barristter07: Jehovah’s witnesses do not preach governing body.

Achorladey: What was the TEACHING and PREACHING contained in LESSON 20 all about. Sorry I forgot it was about JESUS CHRIST the GOVERNING BODY.

Barrister07: None of this proved your earlier lie that they are THE HEAD of this Christian congregation.

Achorladey': That picture never comot, go back and check.

Barristter07: I can show you countless publications where Jesus is recognized as the head.
Liaaaarrrrrrrr
LIARRRRR

Achorladey: I dont need them. The one I showed did you answer the questions related to them.

Barristter07: From the same lesson 20 of who are doing Gods will today we read:

“It is responsive to the direction of God’s spirit. [highlight] The Governing Body looks to the Universal Sovereign, Jehovah, and to the Head of the congregation, Jesus, for guidance. (1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23). Its members do not regard themselves as the leaders of God’s people.

Achorladey: The material was cited because you requested where your publications PREACHED the GOVERNING BODY . Oga Barristter07 is this PUBLICATION preaching and teaching GOVERNING BODY or NOT?

Barristter07: Liars don’t have a life.

Achorladey: According to barristter07; 2019

Liar, I demanded for this

5:50pm ,February 04

Barristter07

Show me one single publication where it's stated that governing body is the head of the Christian congregation I belonged . # Quoted A5. I demand an answer or be shown a LIAR

You are finally behaving like your master - John 8:44

Barristter07: See them acknowledging Jesus as the HEAD.

Achorladey: The image tells me the GB is the HEAD of the CONGREGATION that is why they cannot be found inside the CONGREGATION.

Barristter07: silly liar

Achorladey: Don't tell me your adjectives don't end.

no proof yet ? Liar
According to that Which was quoted , who did they acknowledge as HEAD of the congregation ?

From same lesson 20:


“ It is responsive to the direction of God’s spirit. The Governing Body looks to the Universal Sovereign, Jehovah, and to the Head of the congregation, Jesus, for guidance. (1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23) Its members do not regard themselves as the leaders of God’s people. “

achorladey:


Barristter07: HIS CONGREGATION isnt scattered by different teachings.

Achorladey: HIS CONGREGATION means the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION not the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. It is a pity, not only have I showed you how internally within your denomination you have different teaching over the years that not only contradict what the Bible says, it is also different from other Christian denominations.

So do the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES also contribute to the scattered TEACHING present in the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION .

Finally brothers , continue to be readjusted. - 2 Cor 13:11.

Point remains this Christian congregation doesn't have scattered teachings, they all speak in agreement ... Completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought - 1 Cor 1:10 , in cases where there are readjustment, EVERYONE is carried along. So we never speak in disunity.

U get it totally wrong.

Can the same be said about you?

If I ask your view of Trinity, hellfire, Future hope ... Would it tally with that of others among your unknown gathering ? Though we know u be sit at home ministry , but let's play along like you got united members you can relate with..

Barristter07: Those FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS have to abandon WRONG TEACHING and teaching HELD before becoming Christian which are unscriptural.

Achorladey: Acts 21: 20 shows not only that the Jews became CHRISTIAN they are more ZEALOUS for the LAW and CUSTOMARY practices.
Even calling Paul an Apostate?

They heard a wrong report about Paul, he never taught those things they said he taught

Act 21:24 " Then everyone will know that there Is nothing to the rumours they were told about you " .
That's why they gave those advice to him NOT a matter of division.

Barristter07 United faith, faith is a belief. One faith.

Achorladey: Hahahahahahahahaha. What is the ONE FAITH? Response to what that ONE FAITH is, IS out large.

Have answered , Ephesians 4:13 " UNITY of the Faith "

If you Re to ask different Witnesses their Christian view on Trinity, hellfire, Soul, Future hope . am certain they will express their Faith in one mind.

Achorladey, in your unknown Church ... Are you United in Faith ?

Barristter07: His congregation also have those taking the lead as the scripture shows, who are those taking the lead among you?

Achorladey: Responded to this question as well.

Barristter07: Y'all are the same, until you explain your identity and those taking the lead among you.

Achorladey: What else is there to explain again? You packed everything as a case of me being a DRIBBLER. Another adjective added to those available.

Barristter07: Then point out those who take the lead among you.

Achorladey: Oga I don respond.

Barristter07: Am waiting

Achorladey: Waiting for what?

Barristter07: One fact is: there are no conflicting teachings among this Christians, even in the first century some lived sinful lifestyle BUT THAT’S DIFFERENT FROM CONFLICTING WAVES OF TEACHING.


Achorladey: Who were Hymaenaeus and Philetus? A. Christians B. Pagans, C. Jehovah's Witnesses.

When Paul warned Timothy about those TWO what were they doing as CHRISTIANS?

In the book of Revelations 2 what TEACHINGS WERE FOUND in PERGAMUM? were those in perganum PAGANS or Jehovah's Witneses?


Is CONFLICTING WAVES OF TEACHING PRESENT OR NOT under the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION?


Barristter07: THOSE taking the lead are there to avoid division in teaching,

Achorladey: Looking at this statement of yours in line with what happen to Peter in the account of Galatians, Your analogy of those taking the LEAD does not look like one that is promoting UNITY but rather DIVISION.

Barristter07: THOSE taking the lead are there to avoid division in teaching Ephesians 4:12 “with a view to readjustment”

Achorladey: Where in Ephesians 4:12 states clearly that it is only THOSE "taking the lead" that was giving those GIFTS given with a review to READJUSTMENT?

Barristter07: Who are those taking that role among you? Heb 13:17

Achorladey: I know in Hebrew 13:17 there are long list of names written in the following verses? Please list them out. You said you are waiting, KEEP WAITING

Barristter07: See your life.

Achorladey: I do see my life. What about you?

Barristter07: Am not playing tricks , am identifying those united in teaching not those with VARIOUS IDEAS and TEACHINGS CLAIMING the Christian umbrella.

Achorladey: If you had no single VARIOUS IDEAS and TEACHING in all of the TEACHINGS of Jehovah's Witnesses that do not only conflict the Bible and also conflict other Christian denominations. Bring it here!


Barristter07: Jehovahs witnesses, united in teaching, those TAKING the LEAD ensure readjustment when possible – Ephesians 4;12

Achorladey: Your Ephesians addressed. I might need to take a CENSUS on this term now( TAKING THE LEAD)

Barristter07: Who are those taking this role among you?

Achorladey: Not again!!!!

Barristter07: Confirm ignorant fellow , encyclopedia touch a wide range of subject. One of which is religion, what it says and which I quote cannot be disputed.

Achorladey: From DRIBBLER to CONFIRM IGNORANT fellow, gbogbo adjective enu e ni ma mo se. Obviously ENCYCLOPEDIA has God's inspiration sorry my bad for not believing you. Coming from someone that 1 Timothy 3:16,17 is frequently cited and quoted in their publications. That I choose to believe that the inspired book the Bible is enough to get me equipped for every good work is BAD now. I need ENCYCLOPEDIAS to stamp it AUTHENTICITY.


Barristter07: That’s the point

Achorladey: What point?

Barristter07:Those fellows that started that apostasy using philosophy also call themselves chrstians but you are here quoting colosian 2;8,

Achorladey: I cited Colossians 2:8 to prove to you that before your ENCYCLOPEDIA made mention of your PAGANS using cunning philosophy to preach Christianity. Paul gave warning concerning that.

Barristter07: I thought it doesn’t matter what they believe or teach?

Achorladey: While your governing body were enjoying and judging fellow Christians on Jesus SEAT.

Does what they thought you or had you believe matter?

Barristter07: They sha know Jesus and believe him?

Achorladey: Dey sha know Jesus and believe him? Now you see your analogy thrown back at you.

Barristter07: Can you see you have shot yourself in the foot.

Achorladey: Shot yourself in the foot ko, shot your self in the hand lo ma ri.

Barristter07: Will keep this as reference.

Achorladey: Inscribe it on marble and get my name affixed to it

Barristter07:
Its not issue, its called READJUSTMENT.

Achorladey:Its not an Issue yet it led to dissention and numerous argument and trouble. Acts 15. Who are they READJUSTING? why are they readjusting since its no issue?

Barristter07:The law made by the governing body is directed at gentiles,

Achorladey: THE LAW MADE, no wonder you call them Governing Body.

Barristter07: so its understandable why jewish Christians still feel they can continue their circumcision.

Achorladey: No wonder Peter was pretending in that account in Galatians and Paul turned a BLIND EYE when he saw the PRETENSE because it WAS UNDERSTANDABLE.

Barristter07: As time goes by those matters were resolved through letters by those taking the lead.

Achorladey: The time was long enough to even HELP Peter pretend and allow others to join the pretense hmmmmm!!! Correct. That Watchtower October 2018 won't go away yet. You don go quickly tap from there.

Barristter07: Acholardey, who dey take the lead among your group of Christian?

Achorladey: Another one joined to the running statistics

Barristter07: As at the time issue of circumcision hasn’t been addressed as concerning jews BUT gentiles alone. Read your bible, so james and the elders know what they are saying so as not to cause division, its still a matter of time before those matters are addressed properly

Achorladey: Indeed that is why Peter one of the "" GOVERNING BODY"" hhahahahaha has free window to pretend. Peter don't know then that Christ now the TUTOR LEADING us not the LAW and had used a VISION to address the issue. Gbam for that your understanding.

Acts 10 still dey your Bible go read. After you read am finish, come back and tell us DID JESUS ADDRESS the CIRCUMCISION palaver or NOT what about those CIRCUMCISED BELIEVER who accompanied PETER? Did they understand or not?

Who was Peter addressing in Acts 11. The Gentiles or the the JEWS. How did they feel after Peter narration of events in Cornelius house?

Oga barristter07 you will eventually make believe the Bible in Reverse order
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Barristter07: Even those you quote colosians 2;8 for also believed all as Christian which they call themselves this yet you agree they have deviated by quoting scripture for them. Mr state your teachings properly.

Achorladey: Did you believe that book of Romans or Not? Is it a proper teaching or NOT?

Barristter07: Don’t forget I still have that as reference.

Achorladey: Its your personal belonging. Keep it very well

Barristter07: Summary?
someone can tell they believe all that like you are doing and still yet have deviated, no wonder you also quickly quote colosian 2;8 for such ones. So YOUR ANSWER LACK SUBSTANCE, A POOR ATTEMPT BY A SO CALLED CHRISTIAN.

Achorladey: I will ask once again, do you believe that Romans account cited?

Barristter07: The bible says expose those who contradict.

Achorladey: Is that so, Oya bring out the the verse so that we have a nice foundation to expose those who contradict?

Barristter07 : Funny the above is coming from someone who can quote colosians 2;8 for other people because of their teaching, who are you to approve or condemn their philosophical teaching?

Achorladey: who started this approval palaver?

Barristter07: Why do you now judge those Christian philosophers when their belief in Jesus is all they need?

Achorladey: Who bring christian philosopher into the discussion, where in particular did I judge them.

Barristter07: See the life of an hypocrite

Achorladey: old adjectives, give me another one.

Barristter07: You can explain their perspective to me now. WHY NOT DO THAT.

Achorladey: So you still need there perspective when you tagged it SATANIC teachings. Can you believe the word and explanation of an individual that you tagged LACKS COMPREHENSION, KNOW MORE THAN HIS TEACHERS, A DRIBBLER, LIAR, STRONG HYPOCRITE? Please do well to answer.

Barristter07: By mouth they say so, by heart they don’t believe so. Note the difference

Achorladey: Barristter07 the HEART READER, hahahahahahahaha, you will come and say I judge them.

I gave you a straight scripture, you are telling me the difference, but you have forgotten FROM THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAK. shiooooooooooooooooor. It is from the ABUNDANCE of their HEART they declare JESUS IS LORD with THEIR MOUTH and this will get them SALVATION. Oga Barristter07 you see am?

S WITNESSES also contribute to the scattered TEACHING present in the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION .


Barristter07: Those FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS have to abandon WRONG TEACHING and teaching HELD before becoming Christian which are unscriptural.

Achorladey: Acts 21: 20 shows not only that the Jews became CHRISTIAN they are more ZEALOUS for the LAW and CUSTOMARY practices.
Even calling Paul an Apostate?

Barristter07 United faith, faith is a belief. One faith.

Achorladey: Hahahahahahahahaha. What is the ONE FAITH? Response to what that ONE FAITH is, IS out large.

Barristter07: His congregation also have those taking the lead as the scripture shows, who are those taking the lead among you?

Achorladey: Responded to this question as well.

The colored prove Faith must be united. , Paul said he hand them over to Satan !!!

Jesus promise to deal with anyone with Wrong teaching and claiming Christian.

Are your faith united in teaching ?

Will you state your beliefs in hell, Trinity, Soul , future hope .. . Let's see how much you are united in teaching with fellow members and friends of yours on this thread ?? Or you too have been handed over to Satan ?

Barristter07:


Finally brothers , continue to be readjusted. - 2 Cor 13:11.

Point remains this Christian congregation doesn't have scattered teachings, they all speak in agreement ... Completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought - 1 Cor 1:10 , in cases where there are readjustment, EVERYONE is carried along. So we never speak in disunity.

U get it totally wrong.

Can the same be said about you?

If I ask your view of Trinity, hellfire, Future hope ... Would it tally with that of others among your unknown gathering ? Though we know u be sit at home ministry , but let's play along like you got united members you can relate with..






They heard a wrong report about Paul, he never taught those things they said he taught

Act 21:24 " Then everyone will know that there Is nothing to the rumours they were told about you " .
That's why they gave those advice to him NOT a matter of division.



Have answered , Ephesians 4:13 " UNITY of the Faith "

If you Re to ask different Witnesses their Christian view on Trinity, hellfire, Soul, Future hope . am certain they will express their Faith in one mind.

Achorladey, in your unknown Church ... Are you United in Faith ?



The colored prove Faith must be united. , Paul said he hand them over to Satan !!!

Jesus promise to deal with anyone with Wrong teaching and claiming Christian.

Are your faith united in teaching ?

Will you state your beliefs in hell, Trinity, Soul , future hope .. . Let's see how much you are united in teaching with fellow members and friends of yours on this thread ?? Or you too have been handed over to Satan ?

Where in the Bible did they say faith in united teaching will guarantee salvation?
Where in the Bible States that united in faith grants you everlasting life?
You suppose dey hide your head in shame.

Faith in jesus Christ alone guarantees salvation.
Shame no let you list out any bible verse to even support your claim.

Barristter07:


Liar, I demanded for this

5:50pm ,February 04



You are finally behaving like your master - John 8:44


no proof yet ? Liar
According to that Which was quoted , who did they acknowledge as HEAD of the congregation ?

From same lesson 20:


“ It is responsive to the direction of God’s spirit. The Governing Body looks to the Universal Sovereign, Jehovah, and to the Head of the congregation, Jesus, for guidance. (1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23) Its members do not regard themselves as the leaders of God’s people. “

But you asked him who was taking the lead in his congregation and he said jesus Christ now you said the early Christians knew Paul was taking the lead to justify your governing body being the leaders of your congregation.

You want to change mouth now o.

Please how does governing body get guidance from the Universal Sovereign, Jehovah, and the Head of the congregation, Jesus?

You said your governing body is the way have you forgotten?


Today, Jehovah guides his people by means of the Bible, his holy spirit, and the congregation. (Acts 9:31; 15:28; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17) The guidance that we receive from him is so clear that it is as if ‘our own ears hear a word behind us saying: “This is the way. Walk in it.”’ (Isa. 30:21) In effect, Jesus also conveys Jehovah’s voice to us as he directs the congregation through “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matt. 24:45) [b]We need to take this guidance and direction seriously, for our everlasting life depends on our obedience." [/b]Watchtower 2014 Aug 15 p.21


When did everlasting life depend on obedience of the guidance the faithful and discrete slave gets from jesus and jehovah?

No where in the Bible is anything like this seen.

Barristter07:


Finally brothers , continue to be readjusted. - 2 Cor 13:11.

Point remains this Christian congregation doesn't have scattered teachings, they all speak in agreement ... Completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought - 1 Cor 1:10 , in cases where there are readjustment, EVERYONE is carried along. So we never speak in disunity.

U get it totally wrong.

Can the same be said about you?

If I ask your view of Trinity, hellfire, Future hope ... Would it tally with that of others among your unknown gathering ? Though we know u be sit at home ministry , but let's play along like you got united members you can relate with..






They heard a wrong report about Paul, he never taught those things they said he taught

Act 21:24 " Then everyone will know that there Is nothing to the rumours they were told about you " .
That's why they gave those advice to him NOT a matter of division.



Have answered , Ephesians 4:13 " UNITY of the Faith "

If you Re to ask different Witnesses their Christian view on Trinity, hellfire, Soul, Future hope . am certain they will express their Faith in one mind.

Achorladey, in your unknown Church ... Are you United in Faith ?



The colored prove Faith must be united. , Paul said he hand them over to Satan !!!

Jesus promise to deal with anyone with Wrong teaching and claiming Christian.

Are your faith united in teaching ?

Will you state your beliefs in hell, Trinity, Soul , future hope .. . Let's see how much you are united in teaching with fellow members and friends of yours on this thread ?? Or you too have been handed over to Satan ?

Eph 4:11-12
So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

You will just bring out a phrase in isolation and start talking any how.
The unity in faith is Jesus Christ whether you like it or not. You cannot change it. Bible has already said it. You can't even use encyclopedia to refute this one.

Barristter07:


People had no problem recognizing members of " THE WAY " , that name identify them.

They are so united that Paul ask Colossian brothers to exchange letters with Laodicean brothers .

Can same happen with you ?

Sit at home ministry, u have no specific identity that people can use to identify your people ?

Liar forming " US " online , when he belong to sit at home ministry. Are you aware that people knew Paul as one of those taking the lead among members of the sect of Nazarene as they are called ?

Who are yours ? Asiri Tu

Barristter07: People had no problem recognizing members of "THE WAY" , that name identify them.

Achorladey: Who are members of "THE WAY"?

Acts 9: 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that he might bring bound to Jerusalem any whom he found who belonged to THE WAY, both men and women.

What other names do people who belonged to THE WAY called?

Acts 11:26 26 After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called CHRISTIANS.

Barristter07: They are so UNITED that Paul ask Colossian brothers to exchange LETTERS with Laodicean brothers.

Achorladey: They were so united up till the extent that by the time Jesus came to inspect them they were just exactly like the Philadelphians, the pergamum, Smyrna, Ephesus, Sardis.

Barristter07: Can same happen with you?

Achorladey: You want me to believe exchange of LETTERS shows UNITY. SMH SMH. Exchange of LETTERS SHOWS UNITY according to (Barristter07;2019).

Barristter07: Sit at home ministry,

Achorladey: Give my greetings to the brothers in La·o·di·ceʹa and to Nymʹpha and to the congregation at her house.

Philemon 1:2 and to Apʹphi·a our sister, and to Ar·chipʹpus our fellow soldier, and to the congregation that is in your house:

5 Also greet the congregation that is in their house. Greet my beloved E·paeʹne·tus, who is a firstfruits of Asia for Christ.

Oga Barristter07, where do all THOSE cited they carry out there Ministry, A. Inside Kingdom Halls B. Market C. Sit at home Ministry.

Barristter07: u have no SPECIFIC IDENTITY that people can use to identify YOUR people?

Achorladey: "YOUR PEOPLE" hahahahahaahaha! Na Achorladey die for them? that's why they want to be called CHRISTIANS, obviously "CHRISTIAN" is not a specific IDENTITY to Barristter07 used in identifying Christ followers.

Barristter07: Liar forming " US " online,

Achorladey: Oga Barristter07, I walk by faith and not by sight,

Barristter07:when he belong to SIT AT HOME MINISTRY.

Achorladey: SIT AT HOME MINISTRY na bad thing in the eyes of Barristter07 but the BIBLE says otherwise.

Barristter07: Are you aware that people knew Paul as one of those taking the lead among members of the sect of Nazarene as they are called?

Achorladey: 5 For we have found this man to be a pest, stirring up seditions among all the Jews throughout the inhabited earth, and he is a spearhead of the SECT OF THE NAZ·A·RENESʹ.

Paul was indeed a leading member of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION tagged by those opposing him as SECT OF THE NAZ·A·RENESʹ. It was not stated he was a leading figure of CHRISTIAN CONGREGATIONS OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Barrister07: Who are yours?

Achorladey: Have answered that repeatedly.

Barristter07: Asiri Tu

Achorladey: When you are done reading you will have learnt a lot from the Bible again. Asiri titu ni ise yin.

Barristter07:


Liar, I demanded for this

5:50pm ,February 04



You are finally behaving like your master - John 8:44


no proof yet ? Liar
According to that Which was quoted , who did they acknowledge as HEAD of the congregation ?

From same lesson 20:


“ It is responsive to the direction of God’s spirit. The Governing Body looks to the Universal Sovereign, Jehovah, and to the Head of the congregation, Jesus, for guidance. (1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23) Its members do not regard themselves as the leaders of God’s people. “

8 imperfect uninspired and fallible men who err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction (aka gb) taking direction from God's spirit and saying they look to the universal sovereign jehovah and to the head of the congregation for ever changing guidance then says it's members should unquestionably obey them (gb) as their (members) everlasting life depends on the obedience of this guidance that will turn out to be a lie in future.

2 Corinthians 13:11-14

11 Finally, brothers and sisters, rejoice! Strive for full restoration, encourage one another, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.

12 Greet one another with a holy kiss. 13 All God’s people here send their greetings.

14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Read well.

Barristter07:


Liar, I demanded for this

5:50pm ,February 04



You are finally behaving like your master - John 8:44


no proof yet ? Liar
According to that Which was quoted , who did they acknowledge as HEAD of the congregation ?

From same lesson 20:


“ It is responsive to the direction of God’s spirit. The Governing Body looks to the Universal Sovereign, Jehovah, and to the Head of the congregation, Jesus, for guidance. (1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23) Its members do not regard themselves as the leaders of God’s people. “

I will ask again, why were your GOVERNING BODY MEMBERS outside the CONGREGATION in that picture but the publishers were placed under the CONGREGATION?

What does that tell you about the AUTHORITY structure of your CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

Where is JESUS in that EARTHLY PART of the ORGANIZATION?

I SHOWED you in pictures where it is well written that if you Barristter07 were still a publisher as at now,are you are under the authority of the GOVERNING BODY?

You need answers, go back to that picture and look!

Lesson 20 was used to address the part you Barristter07 asked a question that goes thus:

Same February 4 at 5:50pm
So Jehovah's witnesses preach Governing Body?...

My response at 8:50pm Feb 04

Barristter07: So Jehovah's witnesses preach Governing Body?...

Achorladey: You only need to look Lesson 20 of the brochure "Who are doing Gods will Today", Lesson 14 of the brochure Good news from God and the numerous Watchtower study edition available.

Jehovah's Witnesses sorry, Jehovah Wickedness
How are we doing today? Fucking Sickos!
No blood but we want Blood Fractions That are Gotten from donated Blood
And when a member is actually In prep for Surgery nobody Gives a Sh!t! Still we have Love more than all other Churches and religions

Smh A Fucking weird Bunch, plus you are very Controlling and Self-righteous **spits**

Barristter07:


as at 12:27am on February 5, You confessed saying : " Word of God did ascend to His Father in the Spirit,
and that's what the person of the Word of God is, A Spirit "

Telling us that the spirit that ascend is the person called Jesus , na ordinary body die. The real person take flight to heaven.

ha ha, oh confused and disbelieving lie lie barrister
truly Jesus the man did die and remained 3 days in the tomb, romans 14:9, matt 12:40
and truly His Spirit who is called the Word of God did returned to the Father, Luk 23:46, ecc 12:7
and three days later the Word(Spirit) returned to Jesus temple-body raising Him back to life, just as He said He would, john 2:19

Barristter07: 4 Gbosa for you ,

See una life outside,

lie lie blunderer, such confusion, of course
you keep mocking the truth when it's you that's wrong every time, you cannot get anything right
but then you are a lie lie false jw

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Barristter07:


Finally brothers , continue to be readjusted. - 2 Cor 13:11.

Point remains this Christian congregation doesn't have scattered teachings, they all speak in agreement ... Completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought - 1 Cor 1:10 , in cases where there are readjustment, EVERYONE is carried along. So we never speak in disunity.

U get it totally wrong.

Can the same be said about you?

If I ask your view of Trinity, hellfire, Future hope ... Would it tally with that of others among your unknown gathering ? Though we know u be sit at home ministry , but let's play along like you got united members you can relate with..






They heard a wrong report about Paul, he never taught those things they said he taught

Act 21:24 " Then everyone will know that there Is nothing to the rumours they were told about you " .
That's why they gave those advice to him NOT a matter of division.



Have answered , Ephesians 4:13 " UNITY of the Faith "

If you Re to ask different Witnesses their Christian view on Trinity, hellfire, Soul, Future hope . am certain they will express their Faith in one mind.

Achorladey, in your unknown Church ... Are you United in Faith ?



The colored prove Faith must be united. , Paul said he hand them over to Satan !!!

Jesus promise to deal with anyone with Wrong teaching and claiming Christian.

Are your faith united in teaching ?

Will you state your beliefs in hell, Trinity, Soul , future hope .. . Let's see how much you are united in teaching with fellow members and friends of yours on this thread ?? Or you too have been handed over to Satan ?

Barristter07: Finally brothers , continue to be readjusted. - 2 Cor 13:11.

Achorladey: What is needed to be READJUSTED in Matthew 23: 36-40 that made the GOVERNING BODY call themselves the MAN with the INKHORN and went AHEAD to seat on JESUS CHRIST SEAT judging people all over the place when the scriptures stated clearly that it is for Christ which the GOVERNING now believes.

This is just one of numerous case out there.

While this BELIEVE was HELD on to by the GOVERNING BODY and those they GOVERN, do you accept you are teaching what is FALSE?

Barristter07: Point remains this Christian congregation doesn't have scattered teachings, they all speak in agreement ... Completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought 1 Cor 1:10 , in cases where there are readjustment, EVERYONE is carried along. So we never speak in disunity.

Achorladey: 1 Corinthians 1: 11-13 For some from the house of Chloʹe have informed me regarding you, my brothers, THAT THERE are DISSENSIONS AMONG YOU. 12 What I mean is this, that each one of you says: “I belong to Paul,” “But I to A·polʹlos,” “But I to Ceʹphas,” “But I to Christ.” 13 Is the Christ divided? Paul was not executed on the stake for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

I only hope you you get the picture you were trying to paint, what was contained in 1 Corinthians 1:10 is said in advance by Paul to correct what was already a big problem in Corinth. You see am or not? DISSENSIONS is not a synonym for UNITY or AGREEMENT.


Barristter07: in cases where there are readjustment, EVERYONE is carried along. So we never speak in disunity.

Achorladey: That's is what INTERNALIZING the word CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION does to ones thinking.

You want to tell me that many of the Christian congregation denominations like yours don't do what you typed up there. SMH.

Taking a look at the larger picture those things that the GOVERNING BODY READJUSTED, while you still believe them and teach it before readjustment, do you consider yourself being part of the false Christian who teach falsehood in the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION at large?

Barristter07: U get it totally wrong.

Achorladey: Take your time to read through, you will get the sense of it with patience.

Barristter07: Can the same be said about you?

Achorladey: About my own CONGREGATION or What?

Barristter07: If I ask your view of Trinity, hellfire, Future hope...Would it tally with that of others among your unknown gathering ? Though we know u be sit at home ministry , but let's play along like you got united members you can relate with..

Achorladey: Asking questions like these is bound to happen because obviously from your mindset from the onset of our discussion the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is not part of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION, but unfortunately for you your name carries the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION before Jehovah's witnesses.

Now you want to play along with LIARS, STRONG HYPOCITE, ONIRO BURUKU e. t. c

Barristter07: They heard a wrong report about Paul, he never taught those things they said he taught

Achorladey: No one said Paul was teaching those things, which the Bible you cited below confirms

Barristter07: Act 21:24 "Then everyone will know that there Is nothing to the rumours they were told about you"

Barristter07: That's why they gave those advice to him NOT a matter of division.

Paul was not the one creating division it was the Jewish Christian who have not only become CHRISTIAN but were still ZEALOUS FOR ALL THINGS LAW and CUSTOMARY PRACTICES. Now you see where the DIVISION emanated from.

Barristter07: Have answered, Ephesians 4:13 UNITY of the Faith"

Achorladey: You seem to forget where this ONE FAITH palaver started. It started with Galatians 6:10 with you highlighting THOSE RELATED TO US IN FAITH. With your response above, let us bring back the question and see how well this your answer fit in.


Barristter07 at 5:50 pm Feb 04

Achorladey , Tell us this brothers with whom you are related in FAITH ? None ?

Barristter07 @ 10:40 Feb 07

Ephesians 4:13 UNITY of FAITH.

Achorladey: While I cited Galatians 3: 23 - 29. Do the analysis now and see how far this applies.

Barristter07: If you Re to ask different Witnesses their Christian view on Trinity, hellfire, Soul, Future hope . am certain they will express their Faith in one mind.

Achorladey: You want to ask them what your publications already taught and grouped as SATANIC DOCTRINES. All this teaching where most one them did not research and arrive at the conclusion on their own. I guarantee you most will resort to your publications as aid in answering those questions when posed to them. So as it were most were indoctrinated, it will be a waste of time and resources.

Barristter07: Achorladey, in your unknown Church ...

Achorladey: To that unknown CHURCH, which you seek is what I have continually and patiently DECLARED to you as THE CHRSTIAN CONGREGATION.

Barristter07: Are you United in Faith?

Achorladey: Yes ooooo, when you know the ONE FAITH, you will agree that we are united.

Barristter07: The colored prove Faith must be united

Achorladey: The issue discussed here was to show you that there were conflicting teachings in the Christian congregation back then in the first century which you have been trying to prove to be otherwise.

It is not Faith palaver that brought us here take a look at this as posted by you.....

Barristter07 @ 11:33 am Feb6

One fact is: there are no conflicting teachings among this Christians, even in the first century some lived sinful lifestyle BUT THAT’S DIFFERENT FROM CONFLICTING WAVES OF TEACHING.

Barristter07: Paul said he hand them over to Satan !!!

Achorladey: True, Was it for harm or beneficial purpose?

Barristter07: Jesus promise to deal with anyone with WRONG TEACHING and CLAIMING CHRISTIAN.

Achorladey: Na JESUS work, leave am make he do am. His promises don't fail.

Barristter07: Are your faith united in teaching?

Achorladey: Is faith and teaching the same. What is faith? What is teaching?

Barristter07: Will you state your beliefs in hell, Trinity, Soul , future hope ...

Achorladey: They are Satanic doctrines according to (Barristter07:2019) FUTURE HOPE as it relates to your doctrines na palaver on its own. SMH

Barristter07: Let's see how much you are UNITED in TEACHING with fellow members and friends of yours on this thread??

Achorladey: switching from TEACHING and FAITH repeatedly. Your case require patience.

Barristter07: Or you too have been handed over to Satan?

Achorladey: By who? Barristter07 I guess?

Barristter07:
Jesus promise to deal with anyone with Wrong teaching and claiming Christian.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
As God the Father is still in heaven at this point in the vision, and since all judgment has been committed to Christ {John 5:22}
It is evident that the One on the great white throne here is Christ { Romans 14:10; 2 Corinthians 5:10}
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad.
You stand before Christ looking down on you, your heart will cry out, and say" who are you "Lord" where is Jehovah-and the "Lord" will say: away from Me 'you who practice lawlessness, I never knew you:
{So we do understand, it's a risky business to join up with a organisation like Jehovah witnesses, the world have proven you to be a cult-your teachings are your own-your disbelieving nature are yours-nothing the Watchtower teaches lines up with the Word of God, you don't believe in Him' nor do you believe in Him 'who sent Him}

Barristter07:


Lake of fire IS NOT Hades

The focus of discussion was if Hades means grave Or not , Do u now accept Hades means Grave as Captivator pointed out, ?...

Here you said in a post "

Captivator picked a Revelations verse in isolation to prove his doctrine. But I exposed his heretic use of that verse by pointing him back to the entire passage which rather explains that after being called from their graves both on land and in the sea, the evil ones were thrown into a lake of fire.


Answer that then we can address verse 14. , @ red, From Hades they are called , Are you now accepting Hades means Grave ?

Why are you this dishonest? The whole debate started as to whether Hell fire is real or figurative and never about whether Hades means grave.
I have showed you and your captivator where Jesus mentioned fire in the parable of wheat and tares, and in his literal interpretation He still referred to it as fire.
Captivator dubiously cited a verse in isolation but when challenged to read further he ran away till now.
Why do you want to address verse 14 separately? Is it not part of the passage hence must be addressed in the context of the rest verses in the passage? Or you want to take it in isolation according to the usual practice of your manupulative organization?

Deadlytruth:


Why are you this dishonest? The whole debate started as to whether Hell fire is real or figurative and never about whether Hades means grave.
I have showed you and your captivator where Jesus mentioned fire in the parable of wheat and tares, and in his literal interpretation He still referred to it as fire.
Captivator dubiously cited a verse in isolation but when challenged to read further he ran away till now.
Why do you want to address verse 14 separately? Is it not part of the passage hence must be addressed in the context of the rest verses in the passage? Or you want to take it in isolation according to the usual practice of your manupulative organization?

Don't mind them o. Very deceptive people. They will ask you question when they see you have answered they will say they where asking a different thing.
He said jesus Christ couldn't have meant literal burning in fire in that parable. When I drew his attention to the fact that he must be in Jesus mind to know the parables to be taken literally or figuratively he quickly changed the question to whether hades means grave.

Deadlytruth:


Why are you this dishonest? The whole debate started as to whether Hell fire is real or figurative and never about whether Hades means grave.
I have showed you and your captivator where Jesus mentioned fire in the parable of wheat and tares, and in his literal interpretation He still referred to it as fire.
Captivator dubiously cited a verse in isolation but when challenged to read further he ran away till now.
Why do you want to address verse 14 separately? Is it not part of the passage hence must be addressed in the context of the rest verses in the passage? Or you want to take it in isolation according to the usual practice of your manupulative organization?

You know they love taking phrases in isolation. Once you show them the full verse or chapter they either run away or continue asking their stupid questions based on assumptions/speculations they got from the phrase they took in isolation.

Deadlytruth:


Why are you this dishonest? The whole debate started as to whether Hell fire is real or figurative and never about whether Hades means grave.
I have showed you and your captivator where Jesus mentioned fire in the parable of wheat and tares, and in his literal interpretation He still referred to it as fire.
Captivator dubiously cited a verse in isolation but when challenged to read further he ran away till now.
Why do you want to address verse 14 separately? Is it not part of the passage hence must be addressed in the context of the rest verses in the passage? Or you want to take it in isolation according to the usual practice of your manupulative organization?

I wasn't online all this while, I guess you are not intelligent enough to check my Nairaland Last seen.
Simple question: Do you now accept Hades Is Grave?
I quoted Revelation 20:13 to prove that Hades which the rich man was is Grave.

CAPTIVATOR:


I wasn't online all this while, I guess you are not intelligent enough to check my Nairaland Last seen.
Simple question: Do you now accept Hades Is Grave?
I quoted Revelation 20:13 to prove that Hades which the rich man was is Grave.

Says who? And the rich man was burning inside the fire in the grave right? Lol.
Show me the verse that says hades the rich man was burning in was grave.

You quoted another verse to prove another verse was wrong? I don't understand.

CAPTIVATOR:


I wasn't online all this while, I guess you are not intelligent enough to check my Nairaland Last seen.
Simple question: Do you now accept Hades Is Grave?
I quoted Revelation 20:13 to prove that Hades which the rich man was is Grave.

Luke 16:22-24
The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.


So CAPTIVATOR you have become Jesus Christ abi? So he told you that rev 20:13 should be used to refute the claim of the rich man of rich man being in hell fire Luke 16 talked about.

You teach that a person is unconscious in the grave. How come the rich man was thirsty and in agony of fire?


Haba Fear God na.
Let me kuku help you. Rev 20:13 says the parable jesus talked about in Luke 16 is wrong according to CAPTIVATOR

CAPTIVATOR:


I wasn't online all this while, I guess you are not intelligent enough to check my Nairaland Last seen.
Simple question: Do you now accept Hades Is Grave?
I quoted Revelation 20:13 to prove that Hades which the rich man was is Grave.

You are very daft. Are we talking about whether grave is Hades or we are talking about hell being fire? Revelations 20:13 says the dead were called from hell first. Then verse 14 goes on to say that after judgement, those found wanting were thrown into a lake of fire. Why doesn't it say they were thrown into Hades after judgement? Are you sure you did comprehension in school at all?
The parable of the rich man vs Lazarus similarly says that the rich man was first buried in his grave and then thrown into hell fire after Judgement.

Jesus gave the parable of wheat and tares in which he mentioned hell. His disciples asked Him for a literal interpretation. He obliged them and in his literal interpretation he mentioned physical fire in place of hell. Why didn't he mention Hades for fire in the interpretation he gave? Yet you are still saying that hell fire means mere grave.
What is paining me all of this is that the day those 8 men tell you they've seen a brighter light which revealed to them that hell fire is real, you will just do a u-turn and start sheepishly propagating it again and even be insulting whoever will by then say hell is mere Hades. You are not speaking from your own personal conviction but merely echoing the ever changing opinions of some 8 men somewhere.

Hairyrapunzel:


Luke 16:22-24
The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.


So CAPTIVATOR you have become Jesus Christ abi? So he told you that rev 20:13 should be used to refute the claim of the rich man of rich man being in hell fire Luke 16 talked about.

You teach that a person is unconscious in the grave. How come the rich man was thirsty and in agony of fire?


Haba Fear God na.
Let me kuku help you. Rev 20:13 says the parable jesus talked about in Luke 16 is wrong according to CAPTIVATOR

The bolded really cracked me up. Very true! They claim that people are unconscious in the grave but they believe the rich man was speaking from his grave and feeling pains there.
Now that you have caught him and showed him this self contradiction, he will soon tell you that the grave they are talking about is figurative and not real, or that the loss of consciousness in the grave is meant to be in the figurative sense. He will quote Encyclopedia Brittanica to show you that the rich man was not in a literal grave. Bwahahahahaha....

Deadlytruth:

The bolded really cracked me up. Very true! They claim that people are unconscious in the grave but they believe the rich man was speaking from his grave and feeling pains there.
Now that you have caught him and showed him this self contradiction, he will soon tell you that the grave they are talking about is figurative and not real, or that the loss of consciousness in the grave is figurative. He will quote Encyclopedia Brittanica to show you that the rich man was not in a literal grave. Bwahahahahaha....

That's how they think. Rev 20:13 is the verse that shows the rich man was not in any fire but in a grave. Whereas the rev 20:13 didn't talk of any rich man o. I think he wants to tell us that he was in Jesus mind in Luke 16 and rev 20:13. In fact he told jesus Christ the parable to tell.

His colleague said that Jesus could not have meant a literal fire because he was in Jesus mind.
They just speculate nonsense and believe the nonsense they speculate.


The other one was asking us if spirit could talk or have tongue or fingers etc that there is nothing called spirit.
Yet they believe their jehovah can talk and walk like humans do and he is a spirit.

They believe Jesus Christ in his full body didn't ascend to heaven. Jesus Christ showed people his hands with nail holes and claim jesus Christ was a spirit. Jesus Christ had hands o.

They will be cherry picking their beliefs.

Hairyrapunzel:

That's how they think. Rev 20:13 is the verse that shows the rich man was not in any fire but in a grave. Whereas the rev 20:13 didn't talk of any rich man o. I think he wants to tell us that he was in Jesus mind in Luke 16 and rev 20:13. In fact he told jesus Christ the parable to tell.

His colleague said that Jesus could not have meant a literal fire because he was in Jesus mind.
They just speculate nonsense and believe the nonsense they speculate.


The other one was asking us if spirit could talk or have tongue or fingers etc that there is nothing called spirit.
Yet they believe their jehovah can talk and walk like humans do and he is a spirit.

They believe Jesus Christ in his full body didn't ascend to heaven. Jesus Christ showed people his hands with nail holes and claim jesus Christ was a spirit. Jesus Christ had hands o.

They will be cherry picking their beliefs.

They will soon answer you by saying that those hands Jesus showed to Thomas were figurative hands, and that the verse in question was not talking about real Thomas but a figurative one. Confused clowns!

Deadlytruth:


You are very daft. Are we talking about whether grave is Hades or we are talking about hell being fire? Revelations 20:13 says the dead were called from hell first. Then verse 14 goes on to say that after judgement, those found wanting were thrown into a lake of fire. Why doesn't it say they were thrown into Hades after judgement? Are you sure you did comprehension in school at all?
The parable of the rich man vs Lazarus similarly says that the rich man was first buried in his grave and then thrown into hell fire after Judgement.

Compare the bold with this.

Deadlytruth
by pointing him back to the entire passage which rather explains that after being called from their graves both on land and in the sea,

See how you use your own hands to prove the truth. Grk Hades ( hell in some bible) = Grave.
truth will always prevail over Lies
Deadlytruth refer to hell as grave Lolzzzzzz

the evil ones were thrown into a lake of fire.

Lake of fire isn't hellfire . it's a symbol of second Death , Death, Death , Death. It means Death , Death., Death . opposite of life , what dies is no more. That's why when u read that death Is thrown into lake of fire ., do you mean death is literally burning ? Noo, Bible explains it means death will be no more ( Rev 21:4) that is the meaning of lake of fire.

Jesus gave the parable of wheat and tares in which he mentioned hell. His disciples asked Him for a literal interpretation. He obliged them and in his literal interpretation he mentioned physical fire in place of hell. Why didn't he mention Hades for fire in the interpretation he gave? Yet you are still saying that hell fire means mere grave.

U yourself have confirm Hades mean grave. Hell means grave.
I really wish you are bold enough to answer baristet question, in his literal interpretation he also mention gnashing of teeth , does it mean spirit have bone ? How I wish u can attempt it. You dare not

Deadlytruth:

The bolded really cracked me up. Very true! They claim that people are unconscious in the grave but they believe the rich man was speaking from his grave and feeling pains there.
Now that you have caught him and showed him this self contradiction, he will soon tell you that the grave they are talking about is figurative and not real, or that the loss of consciousness in the grave is meant to be in the figurative sense. He will quote Encyclopedia Brittanica to show you that the rich man was not in a literal grave. Bwahahahahaha....

You still don't get it. Since we have proved the rich man was In grave ( Hades ) , that shows the story isn't real . People are not conscious in the grave ( Eccl 9:10)

CAPTIVATOR:


You still don't get it. Since we have proved the rich man was In grave ( Hades ) , that shows the story isn't real . People are not conscious in the grave ( Eccl 9:10)

So jesus Christ told you the story isn't real? Lol.
But jesus Christ story about the faithful and discrete slave is real abi?
I am learning new things every day.
CAPTIVATOR assumes that Jesus Christ's parable of the rich man and Lazarus is fake (isn't real) because

ecc 9:10 says

10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.

And rev 20:13-15

13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.


CAPTIVATOR even when he sees lake of fire is second death he says Jesus Christ story about the Rich man and Lazarus is fake.

the only thing ecc 9:10 said is that in the realm of the dead there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge or wisdom o. Hmmmm CAPTIVATOR now assumed the verse says they are unconscious. Hmmmm

Ecc 9: 7
Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do. 8 Always be clothed in white, and always anoint your head with oil.


Do you always wear white and always anoint your head with oil?
You will soon say verse 7 is fake while verse 10 is real.

CAPTIVATOR:


You still don't get it. Since we have proved the rich man was In grave ( Hades ) , that shows the story isn't real . People are not conscious in the grave ( Eccl 9:10)

Didn't I say it that you would soon say it was a figurative grave and not a real one? For your information, Ecclesiastes is a record of the random thoughts of a man who at that time had fallen deeply into sin hence was very far away from God's guidance and inspiration hence a lot of his submissions can't be taken as truth. If you read the whole Ecclesiastes chapter 9 you will notice that in verse 2 of it the philosopher also said that the same fate awaits both the righteous and the wicked. However we know that such is contrary to what Jesus later clearly told us with the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and indeed all His other parables. Moreover, if the same fate actually awaits the righteous and the wicked, would that not amount to God being an unjust God? Would anyone (yourself inclusive) today be denying himself all the comfort of this life to live a righteous life? That the book of Ecclesiastes is included in the Bible only signifies the fact that the Christian faith is broad enough to welcome all shades of contrary opinion with the ultimate goal of correcting them and redirecting those who hold them to the true knowledge about God.

CAPTIVATOR:


Compare the bold with this.



See how you use your own hands to prove the truth. Grk Hades ( hell in some bible) = Grave.
truth will always prevail over Lies
Deadlytruth refer to hell as grave Lolzzzzzz




Lake of fire isn't hellfire . it's a symbol of second Death , Death, Death , Death. It means Death , Death., Death . opposite of life , what dies is no more. That's why when u read that death Is thrown into lake of fire ., do you mean death is literally burning ? Noo, Bible explains it means death will be no more ( Rev 21:4) that is the meaning of lake of fire.


U yourself have confirm Hades mean grave. Hell means grave.
I really wish you are bold enough to answer baristet question, in his literal interpretation he also mention gnashing of teeth , does it mean spirit have bone ? How I wish u can attempt it. You dare not

I thought you said death they are unconscious and in the grave? Fire has become a symbol of second death right? No bible verse to prove your assumption o.


SO JESUS CHRIST TOLD YOU THE PARABLES TO TAKE AS REAL AND AS FAKE ABI?

There is literal interpretation and there is figurative interpretation. Lol. Jw will not kill us with laff.
Jws now ACCUSE JESUS CHRIST OF PEDDLING FALSEHOOD.

Let me even help you out. Jesus Christ loved peddling falsehood in fact stories about a prodigal son returned home after squandering his money; a man found a buried treasure in a field, hid it again, and sold everything he had in order to buy that field; a king put on a wedding feast for his son; a slaveowner traveled abroad and then returned home to his slaves; a man constructed a vineyard, leased it out to others, but had difficulty collecting what they owed him; and so on were all fake that is they are not real.

Since you use ecc to discredit jesus Christ story and said the story isn't real then lets see what ecc really says

Ecc 9:3

2 All share a common destiny—the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad,[a] the clean and the unclean, those who offer sacrifices and those who do not.

As it is with the good,
so with the sinful;
as it is with those who take oaths,
so with those who are afraid to take them.

Jw and non jw all share the same destiny.


Ecc 9:5- 6

For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.

The dead know nothing meaning they are unconscious. The dead have no further reward. Their names are forgotten. The dead will never have a part in anything that happens under the sun

YOUR PARADISE EARTH IS A SCAM AND A SHAM. NO RESURRECTION HOPE FOR YOU GUYS. BIBLE SAID SO.
EYA YOUR LEADERS ARE FOOLING YOU GUYS. KPELE AND TAKE HEART.

CAPTIVATOR:


Compare the bold with this.



See how you use your own hands to prove the truth. Grk Hades ( hell in some bible) = Grave.
truth will always prevail over Lies
Deadlytruth refer to hell as grave Lolzzzzzz




Lake of fire isn't hellfire . it's a symbol of second Death , Death, Death , Death. It means Death , Death., Death . opposite of life , what dies is no more. That's why when u read that death Is thrown into lake of fire ., do you mean death is literally burning ? Noo, Bible explains it means death will be no more ( Rev 21:4) that is the meaning of lake of fire.


U yourself have confirm Hades mean grave. Hell means grave.
I really wish you are bold enough to answer baristet question, in his literal interpretation he also mention gnashing of teeth , does it mean spirit have bone ? How I wish u can attempt it. You dare not

I have already answered Barrister's question by showing him where a spirit screamed due to being tormented by Jesus. I also showed him where souls spoke up in Revelation.
Recall that your organization believes that the death spoken of in the Bible verse which says "the wages of sin is death" doesn't physical death but spiritual death which entails being spiritually cut off from God. If death itself will have been killed in the lake of fire as you believe, then doesn't that even mean that the dead sinners who were called from the grave would never experience death again but be alive forever to be in eternal punishment this being spiritually cut off from God as wages for their sins?

Why have you been cleverly avoiding my question as to why Jesus, in His literal interpretation of the parable of wheat and tares, maintained that hell is fire rather than Hades?

Hairyrapunzel:


I thought you said death they are unconscious and in the grave? Fire has become a symbol of second death right? No bible verse to prove your assumption o.


SO JESUS CHRIST TOLD YOU THE PARABLES TO TAKE AS REAL AND AS FAKE ABI?

There is literal interpretation and there is figurative interpretation. Lol. Jw will not kill us with laff.
Jws now ACCUSE JESUS CHRIST OF PEDDLING FALSEHOOD.

Let me even help you out. Jesus Christ loved peddling falsehood in fact stories about a prodigal son returned home after squandering his money; a man found a buried treasure in a field, hid it again, and sold everything he had in order to buy that field; a king put on a wedding feast for his son; a slaveowner traveled abroad and then returned home to his slaves; a man constructed a vineyard, leased it out to others, but had difficulty collecting what they owed him; and so on were all fake that is they are not real.

Since you use ecc to discredit jesus Christ story and said the story isn't real then lets see what ecc really says

Ecc 9:3

2 All share a common destiny—the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad,[a] the clean and the unclean, those who offer sacrifices and those who do not.

As it is with the good,
so with the sinful;
as it is with those who take oaths,
so with those who are afraid to take them.

Jw and non jw all share the same destiny.


Ecc 9:5- 6

For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.

The dead know nothing meaning they are unconscious. The dead have no further reward. Their names are forgotten. The dead will never have a part in anything that happens under the sun

YOUR PARADISE EARTH IS A SCAM AND A SHAM. NO RESURRECTION HOPE FOR YOU GUYS. BIBLE SAID SO.
EYA YOUR LEADERS ARE FOOLING YOU GUYS. KPELE AND TAKE HEART.

You won't kill me with laughter.
Captivator shot himself in the foot again by picking Ecclesiastes 9:10 in isolation as usual without knowing that verse 2 of the same chapter already says that both the righteous (which the JWs call themselves) and the wicked (which the JWs call other Christians) all share the same fate, hence their paradise is nothing but MMM? Chai! Chai! Chaaaaaaiiiiii!

Deadlytruth:

You won't kill me with laughter.
Captivator shot himself in the foot again by picking Ecclesiastes 9:10 in isolation as usual without knowing that verse 2 of the same chapter already says that both the righteous (which the JWs call themselves) and the wicked (which the JWs call other Christians) all share the same fate, hence their paradise is nothing but MMM? Chai! Chai! Chaaaaaaiiiiii!

Better MMM. Lol. When they don't have genuine answers they either go for proverbs or ecclesiastes.
If I start bringing out verses like they do from Ecclesiastes to discredit their watchtower organization teaching they will start crying.

They will discredit jesus Christ teaching using Ecclesiastes literally but when you show them that their magazine teaching are false using same Ecclesiastes they will tell you the verses couldn't have been taken literally.

Deadlytruth:


I have already answered Barrister's question by showing him where a spirit screamed due to being tormented by Jesus. I also showed him where souls spoke up in Revelation.

No, u didn't , Barrister show you that the bible said spirit doesn't have a tongue, None of those verses say spirit have a tongue.

Smh, didn't he prove to you as well that spirit can't be harmed by fire ?

U haven't yet answered the

1. Do spirit have tongue ?

Recall that your organization believes that the death spoken of in the Bible verse which says "the wages of sin is death" doesn't physical death but spiritual death which entails being spiritually cut off from God. If death itself will have been killed in the lake of fire as you believe , then doesn't that even mean that the dead sinners who were called from the grave would never experience death again but be alive forever to be in eternal punishment this being spiritually cut off from God as wages for their sins?

Rev 20:14 death ( first death ) is thrown into lake or fire, don't be silly , Lake of fire is another death , hence called second death.

When death an others experience this, they will be no more - Rev 21:4)

Why have you been cleverly avoiding my question as to why Jesus, in His literal interpretation of the parable of wheat and tares, maintained that hell is fire rather than Hades?

Jesus never mention hell thoroughout that parable , he mention fire . and fire means destruction to death , just as lake of fire means. How many times will I explain that ?

Question 2: Since u are saying ur support hell, answer me , In his literal interpretation he also mention gashing of teeth, does it mean your spirit have teeth ? Stop evading this ,

Deadlytruth:


Didn't I say it that you would soon say it was a figurative grave and not a real one? For your information, Ecclesiastes is a record of the random thoughts of a man who at that time had fallen deeply into sin hence was very far away from God's guidance and inspiration hence a lot of his submissions can't be taken as truth. If you read the whole Ecclesiastes chapter 9 you will notice that in verse 2 of it the philosopher also said that the same fate awaits both the righteous and the wicked. However we know that such is contrary to what Jesus later clearly told us with the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and indeed all His other parables. Moreover, if the same fate actually awaits the righteous and the wicked, would that not amount to God being an unjust God? Would anyone (yourself inclusive) today be denying himself all the comfort of this life to live a righteous life? That the book of Ecclesiastes is included in the Bible only signifies the fact that the Christian faith is broad enough to welcome all shades of contrary opinion with the ultimate goal of correcting them and redirecting those who hold them to the true knowledge about God.

Who talk about figurative grave ? Please who discuss figurative grave with you ? U have problem o.

Hades means grave , A GRAVE IS A BURIAL place NOT A PLACE OF TORMENT. SO JESUS WAS ILLUSTRATING.

Luke 24:39 spirit does not have flesh and bones.

Why did the rich man have a tongue of flesh if he was a disembodied spirit ? Deadlytruth be running away from this.

Why did Jesus mention gnashing of teeth ( Bone) in Matthew 13, do spirit have bone ? The day u attempt to explain all this contradiction of your thought , the argument will end immediately