CAPTIVATOR:


Who talk about figurative grave ? Please who discuss figurative grave with you ? U have problem o.

Hades means grave , A GRAVE IS A BURIAL place NOT A PLACE OF TORMENT. SO JESUS WAS ILLUSTRATING.

CAPTIVATOR:


No, u didn't , Barrister show you that the bible said spirit doesn't have a tongue, None of those verses say spirit have a tongue.

Smh, didn't he prove to you as well that spirit can't be harmed by fire ?

U haven't yet answered the

1. Do spirit have tongue ?



Rev 20:14 death ( first death ) is thrown into lake or fire, don't be silly , Lake of fire is another death , hence called second death.

When death an others experience this, they will be no more - Rev 21:4)



Jesus never mention hell thoroughout that parable , he mention fire . and fire means destruction to death , just as lake of fire means. How many times will I explain that ?

Question 2: Since u are saying ur support hell, answer me , In his literal interpretation he also mention gashing of teeth, does it mean your spirit have teeth ? Stop evading this ,

Hairyrapunzel:


God is spirit. He created man in his own likeness and image. God has body parts.

He can talk and walk and do all things.
Spirits have tongue and teeth.

Matt 13:41-43
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth in hell fire right? I no fit laugh.

achorladey:


I will ask again, why were your GOVERNING BODY MEMBERS outside the CONGREGATION in that picture but the publishers were placed under the CONGREGATION?

What does that tell you about the AUTHORITY structure of your CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

Where is JESUS in that EARTHLY PART of the ORGANIZATION?

I SHOWED you in pictures where it is well written that if you Barristter07 were still a publisher as at now,are you are under the authority of the GOVERNING BODY?

You need answers, go back to that picture and look!

Lesson 20 was used to address the part you Barristter07 asked a question that goes thus:

Same February 4 at 5:50pm
So Jehovah's witnesses preach Governing Body?...

My response at 8:50pm Feb 04

Barristter07: So Jehovah's witnesses preach Governing Body?...

Achorladey: You only need to look Lesson 20 of the brochure "Who are doing Gods will Today", Lesson 14 of the brochure Good news from God and the numerous Watchtower study edition available

CAPTIVATOR:
Luke 16 :23-24
In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue , because I am in agony in this fire.



Question:

That water , physical or spiritual ?

Do spirit have a tongue ?


Make we no whether na human or disembodied spirit Jesus dey describe . I don laff tire.

achorladey:



Barristter07: People had no problem recognizing members of "THE WAY" , that name identify them.

Achorladey: Who are members of "THE WAY"?

Acts 9: 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that he might bring bound to Jerusalem any whom he found who belonged to THE WAY, both men and women.

What other names do people who belonged to THE WAY called?

Acts 11:26 26 After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called CHRISTIANS.

Barristter07: They are so UNITED that Paul ask Colossian brothers to exchange LETTERS with Laodicean brothers.

Achorladey: They were so united up till the extent that by the time Jesus came to inspect them they were just exactly like the Philadelphians, the pergamum, Smyrna, Ephesus, Sardis.

Barristter07: Can same happen with you?

Achorladey: You want me to believe exchange of LETTERS shows UNITY. SMH SMH. Exchange of LETTERS SHOWS UNITY according to (Barristter07;2019).

Barristter07: Sit at home ministry,

Achorladey: Give my greetings to the brothers in La·o·di·ceʹa and to Nymʹpha and to the congregation at her house.

Philemon 1:2 and to Apʹphi·a our sister, and to Ar·chipʹpus our fellow soldier, and to the congregation that is in your house:

5 Also greet the congregation that is in their house. Greet my beloved E·paeʹne·tus, who is a firstfruits of Asia for Christ.

Oga Barristter07, where do all THOSE cited they carry out there Ministry, A. Inside Kingdom Halls B. Market C. Sit at home Ministry.

Barristter07: u have no SPECIFIC IDENTITY that people can use to identify YOUR people?

Achorladey: "YOUR PEOPLE" hahahahahaahaha! Na Achorladey die for them? that's why they want to be called CHRISTIANS, obviously "CHRISTIAN" is not a specific IDENTITY to Barristter07 used in identifying Christ followers.

Barristter07: Liar forming " US " online,

Achorladey: Oga Barristter07, I walk by faith and not by sight,

Barristter07:when he belong to SIT AT HOME MINISTRY.

Achorladey: SIT AT HOME MINISTRY na bad thing in the eyes of Barristter07 but the BIBLE says otherwise.

Barristter07: Are you aware that people knew Paul as one of those taking the lead among members of the sect of Nazarene as they are called?

Achorladey: 5 For we have found this man to be a pest, stirring up seditions among all the Jews throughout the inhabited earth, and he is a spearhead of the SECT OF THE NAZ·A·RENESʹ.

Paul was indeed a leading member of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION tagged by those opposing him as SECT OF THE NAZ·A·RENESʹ. It was not stated he was a leading figure of CHRISTIAN CONGREGATIONS OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Barrister07: Who are yours?

Achorladey: Have answered that repeatedly.

Barristter07: Asiri Tu

Achorladey: When you are done reading you will have learnt a lot from the Bible again. Asiri titu ni ise yin.

CAPTIVATOR:


You have been shown a liar , that quote by Barrister from lesson 20 buried your entire hypothesis of Governing body is the head , they acknowledge Jesus ad Head .

Hairyrapunzel:


22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’



Is grave a place of torment? Interesting.
Since the rich man is dead, unconscious and does not know anything how come he is asking for water and knows he is in agony of the fire?

Let me help you out. In hades that in the grave where he was buried, he was still alive according to CAPTIVATOR


John 14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

So there are physical rooms in heaven?


Rev 10 :1-4
Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2 He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4 And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”


Are angels humans? So as spirits they have hands and feet?
Is it human or disembodied spirit? Lol

CAPTIVATOR:


Instead of you to cry, u are not intelligent enough to know sit at home ministry is an appellation for someone who doesn't attend any meeting with others, just sitting at home.

Here is a good report on non denominational trend .


" There is actually no such thing. When a church claims to be “nondenominational”, what they are really doing is refusing to label their denomination. That church will still take stances on controversial issues of scriptural interpretation. The stance on a given issue may be that that issue is unimportant, but that claim is highly controversial in its own way: Who gets to decide which parts of the Bible are “unimportant”?

Now, what do so-called “nondenominational” churches do differently? Well, that depends. Which “nondenominational” church are we talking about? And differently compared to whom? " - Ronald Kimmons ,

achorladey:


Barristter07: Finally brothers , continue to be readjusted. - 2 Cor 13:11.

Achorladey: What is needed to be READJUSTED in Matthew 23: 36-40 that made the GOVERNING BODY call themselves the MAN with the INKHORN and went AHEAD to seat on JESUS CHRIST SEAT judging people all over the place when the scriptures stated clearly that it is for Christ which the GOVERNING now believes.

This is just one of numerous case out there.

While this BELIEVE was HELD on to by the GOVERNING BODY and those they GOVERN, do you accept you are teaching what is FALSE?

Barristter07: Point remains this Christian congregation doesn't have scattered teachings, they all speak in agreement ... Completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought 1 Cor 1:10 , in cases where there are readjustment, EVERYONE is carried along. So we never speak in disunity.

Achorladey: 1 Corinthians 1: 11-13 For some from the house of Chloʹe have informed me regarding you, my brothers, THAT THERE are DISSENSIONS AMONG YOU. 12 What I mean is this, that each one of you says: “I belong to Paul,” “But I to A·polʹlos,” “But I to Ceʹphas,” “But I to Christ.” 13 Is the Christ divided? Paul was not executed on the stake for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

I only hope you you get the picture you were trying to paint, what was contained in 1 Corinthians 1:10 is said in advance by Paul to correct what was already a big problem in Corinth. You see am or not? DISSENSIONS is not a synonym for UNITY or AGREEMENT.


Barristter07: in cases where there are readjustment, EVERYONE is carried along. So we never speak in disunity.

Achorladey: That's is what INTERNALIZING the word CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION does to ones thinking.

You want to tell me that many of the Christian congregation denominations like yours don't do what you typed up there. SMH.

Taking a look at the larger picture those things that the GOVERNING BODY READJUSTED, while you still believe them and teach it before readjustment, do you consider yourself being part of the false Christian who teach falsehood in the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION at large?

Barristter07: U get it totally wrong.

Achorladey: Take your time to read through, you will get the sense of it with patience.

Barristter07: Can the same be said about you?

Achorladey: About my own CONGREGATION or What?

Barristter07: If I ask your view of Trinity, hellfire, Future hope...Would it tally with that of others among your unknown gathering ? Though we know u be sit at home ministry , but let's play along like you got united members you can relate with..

Achorladey: Asking questions like these is bound to happen because obviously from your mindset from the onset of our discussion the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is not part of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION, but unfortunately for you your name carries the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION before Jehovah's witnesses.

Now you want to play along with LIARS, STRONG HYPOCITE, ONIRO BURUKU e. t. c

Barristter07: They heard a wrong report about Paul, he never taught those things they said he taught

Achorladey: No one said Paul was teaching those things, which the Bible you cited below confirms

Barristter07: Act 21:24 "Then everyone will know that there Is nothing to the rumours they were told about you"

Barristter07: That's why they gave those advice to him NOT a matter of division.

Paul was not the one creating division it was the Jewish Christian who have not only become CHRISTIAN but were still ZEALOUS FOR ALL THINGS LAW and CUSTOMARY PRACTICES. Now you see where the DIVISION emanated from.

Barristter07: Have answered, Ephesians 4:13 UNITY of the Faith"

Achorladey: You seem to forget where this ONE FAITH palaver started. It started with Galatians 6:10 with you highlighting THOSE RELATED TO US IN FAITH. With your response above, let us bring back the question and see how well this your answer fit in.


Barristter07 at 5:50 pm Feb 04

Achorladey , Tell us this brothers with whom you are related in FAITH ? None ?

Barristter07 @ 10:40 Feb 07

Ephesians 4:13 UNITY of FAITH.

Achorladey: While I cited Galatians 3: 23 - 29. Do the analysis now and see how far this applies.

Barristter07: If you Re to ask different Witnesses their Christian view on Trinity, hellfire, Soul, Future hope . am certain they will express their Faith in one mind.

Achorladey: You want to ask them what your publications already taught and grouped as SATANIC DOCTRINES. All this teaching where most one them did not research and arrive at the conclusion on their own. I guarantee you most will resort to your publications as aid in answering those questions when posed to them. So as it were most were indoctrinated, it will be a waste of time and resources.

Barristter07: Achorladey, in your unknown Church ...

Achorladey: To that unknown CHURCH, which you seek is what I have continually and patiently DECLARED to you as THE CHRSTIAN CONGREGATION.

Barristter07: Are you United in Faith?

Achorladey: Yes ooooo, when you know the ONE FAITH, you will agree that we are united.

Barristter07: The colored prove Faith must be united

Achorladey: The issue discussed here was to show you that there were conflicting teachings in the Christian congregation back then in the first century which you have been trying to prove to be otherwise.

It is not Faith palaver that brought us here take a look at this as posted by you.....

Barristter07 @ 11:33 am Feb6

One fact is: there are no conflicting teachings among this Christians, even in the first century some lived sinful lifestyle BUT THAT’S DIFFERENT FROM CONFLICTING WAVES OF TEACHING.

Barristter07: Paul said he hand them over to Satan !!!

Achorladey: True, Was it for harm or beneficial purpose?

Barristter07: Jesus promise to deal with anyone with WRONG TEACHING and CLAIMING CHRISTIAN.

Achorladey: Na JESUS work, leave am make he do am. His promises don't fail.

Barristter07: Are your faith united in teaching?

Achorladey: Is faith and teaching the same. What is faith? What is teaching?

Barristter07: Will you state your beliefs in hell, Trinity, Soul , future hope ...

Achorladey: They are Satanic doctrines according to (Barristter07:2019) FUTURE HOPE as it relates to your doctrines na palaver on its own. SMH

Barristter07: Let's see how much you are UNITED in TEACHING with fellow members and friends of yours on this thread??

Achorladey: switching from TEACHING and FAITH repeatedly. Your case require patience.

Barristter07: Or you too have been handed over to Satan?

Achorladey: By who? Barristter07 I guess?

CAPTIVATOR:


Who talk about figurative grave ? Please who discuss figurative grave with you ? U have problem o.

Hades means grave , A GRAVE IS A BURIAL place NOT A PLACE OF TORMENT. SO JESUS WAS ILLUSTRATING.

Luke 24:39 spirit does not have flesh and bones.

Why did the rich man have a tongue of flesh if he was a disembodied spirit ? Deadlytruth be running away from this.

Why did Jesus mention gnashing of teeth ( Bone) in Matthew 13, do spirit have bone ? The day u attempt to explain all this contradiction of your thought , the argument will end immediately

Deadlytruth:


You think only a tongue of flesh can feel pains? Did the spirits who were afraid of Jesus' physical torment in Matthew 8:29 have fleshy bodies or bones?

Where in Luke 24:39 did Jesus expressly say that spirits can't feel the pain of torment? I already showed you where spirits begged Jesus not to torment them.

Stop trying to rewrite the Bible.
In Matthew 13, it is the evildoers themselves (not spirits) that Jesus says he will throw into fire to gnash their teeth in a furnace (which also can't mean Hades). Recall that Jesus was speaking literally here. So show me a Bible passage or an encyclopedia quote which equates furnace with Hades or grave.

Go back and read the story of Moses and the burning bush slowly. The fire there was not burning the angel not because an angel or spirit can't be tormented with fire, but because in that particular circumstance the angel was the fire itself doing the burning. That is the omnipotence of God. In once instance He chooses to torment angels (especially the ones belonging to the devil) but in another instance he transformed an angel into a fire that was burning a bush.
Judging from the omnipotence of God highlighted above,

He doesn't need spirits or deamons to have fleshy bodies or tongues for them to feel the pains of torture from Him otherwise he will have lost his omnipotence.

CAPTIVATOR:


The questions still stand . more head ache for you nd Deadlytruth.

@ blue, Lazarus wasn't buried but carried bodily to Abraham side ? If the story is real, how come angels don't carry people from mortuary today ?

CAPTIVATOR:
Let's answer a fool to show him he isn't wise.




God must have breast and penis too since humans are in his image . brain de.ad individual



Luke 24:39 - Spirit does not have flesh ( like Tongue is ) and bone ( teeth )

CAPTIVATOR:

Jesus didn't hold fire with him when he asked the demon to come out ooo

Deadlytruth, how can spirit have fleshy tongue ?



So its no longer disembodied sprits that leave the body that go to hell ?


The angel was in the fire. Go read well



The story said specifically that the man has tongue and we all know the tongue is pure flesh, is Jesus lying that spirit don't have flesh ?

CAPTIVATOR:

Jesus didn't hold fire with him when he asked the demon to come out ooo

Deadlytruth, how can spirit have fleshy tongue ?



So its no longer disembodied sprits that leave the body that go to hell ?


The angel was in the fire. Go read well



The story said specifically that the man has tongue and we all know the tongue is pure flesh, is Jesus lying that spirit don't have flesh ?

CAPTIVATOR:

Jesus didn't hold fire with him when he asked the demon to come out ooo

Deadlytruth, how can spirit have fleshy tongue ?



So its no longer disembodied sprits that leave the body that go to hell ?


The angel was in the fire. Go read well



The story said specifically that the man has tongue and we all know the tongue is pure flesh, is Jesus lying that spirit don't have flesh ?

CAPTIVATOR:


I already gave a good report on non denominational trend , there are various of them with the tag " Christian church " etc but with varied teachings. I now understand why Barrister ask you to state your beliefs on those areas, you will be surprise how divided you and other non denominational people using the tag " Christian " vary . telling you , you are wasting your time. State your beliefs on those areas first, do you worship Jesus or God? john 4:23 , Others non denominational have different views on this too. Read that quote I gave you very well.

achorladey:

[s]
I will ask again, why were your GOVERNING BODY MEMBERS outside the CONGREGATION in that picture but the publishers were placed under the CONGREGATION?

What does that tell you about the AUTHORITY structure of your CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

Where is JESUS in that EARTHLY PART of the ORGANIZATION?

I SHOWED you in pictures where it is well written that if you Barristter07 were still a publisher as at now,are you are under the authority of the GOVERNING BODY?

You need answers, go back to that picture and look!

Lesson 20 was used to address the part you Barristter07 asked a question that goes thus:

Same February 4 at 5:50pm
So Jehovah's witnesses preach Governing Body?...

My response at 8:50pm Feb 04

Barristter07: So Jehovah's witnesses preach Governing Body?...

Achorladey: You only need to look Lesson 20 of the brochure "Who are doing Gods will Today", Lesson 14 of the brochure Good news from God and the numerous Watchtower study edition available. [/s]

CAPTIVATOR:

Jesus didn't hold fire with him when he asked the demon to come out ooo

Deadlytruth, how can spirit have fleshy tongue ?



So its no longer disembodied sprits that leave the body that go to hell ?


The angel was in the fire. Go read well



The story said specifically that the man has tongue and we all know the tongue is pure flesh, is Jesus lying that spirit don't have flesh ?

CAPTIVATOR:


The questions still stand . more head ache for you nd Deadlytruth.

@ blue, Lazarus wasn't buried but carried bodily to Abraham side ? If the story is real, how come angels don't carry people from mortuary today ?

Barristter07:


You lied, I guess you are yet to see where they say they are the head of the Christian congregation.

Barristter07:


You lied, I guess you are yet to see where they say they are the head of the Christian congregation.

Barristter07:


You lied, I guess you are yet to see where they say they are the head of the Christian congregation.

Barristter07:


You lied, I guess you are yet to see where they say they are the head of the Christian congregation.

Barristter07:


You lied, I guess you are yet to see where they say they are the head of the Christian congregation.

Barristter07:


You lied, I guess you are yet to see where they say they are the head of the Christian congregation.

Barristter07:


You lied, I guess you are yet to see where they say they are the head of the Christian congregation.

CAPTIVATOR:


Instead of you to cry, u are not intelligent enough to know sit at home ministry is an appellation for someone who doesn't attend any meeting with others, just sitting at home.

Here is a good report on non denominational trend .


" There is actually no such thing. When a church claims to be “nondenominational”, what they are really doing is refusing to label their denomination. That church will still take stances on controversial issues of scriptural interpretation. The stance on a given issue may be that that issue is unimportant, but that claim is highly controversial in its own way: Who gets to decide which parts of the Bible are “unimportant”?

Now, what do so-called “nondenominational” churches do differently? Well, that depends. Which “nondenominational” church are we talking about? And differently compared to whom? " - Ronald Kimmons ,