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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 8:41am On Feb 17, 2019
I agree with you on this !
obaaderemi:
This is actually what Africa needs most in addition to universal basic education. Educated and healthy people tend to find solutions to their problems more easily than the less so.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 8:42am On Feb 17, 2019
Jonraid:
This is a priority project. The president actually wants this to be one of his legacies when he vacates the statehouse. Development shouldn't be about roads and mega malls. We are investigating more in softer areas such as education and healthcare. When this two areas are consolidated,all the other sectors flourish!
correct. Every developed society pay a much piority on the development of their societal well being rather than what we serve as a national ego.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 8:44am On Feb 17, 2019
Jonraid:
You didn't get my point. Some countries are just not news-worthy.
We enjoy airtime because of the heavy presence of international media in Kenya. At one point,the BBC Africa seemed to be like BBC Kenya that other Africans questioned this BBC dalliance with us!
When you have Unep, Un Habitat, big money multinationals and a brilliant tourism sector- the world will care when you even cough!
Even at that or because of that, you are mostly in the news for the wrong reasons. For example, the constant report that 60% of Nairobi's people live in slums-- a claim many Little Indians say is influenced by the presence of these international organizations.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:45am On Feb 17, 2019
How is Nigeria doing in that end - social investment - it seems to be fairing badly year in year out.
obaaderemi:
This is actually what Africa needs most in addition to universal basic education. Educated and healthy people tend to find solutions to their problems more easily than the less so.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 8:46am On Feb 17, 2019
23 billion dollars debt,that's not our problem but man those are serious figures!
rvp2018:
Western Kenya still depend on Jinja - Sondu -no dam reservoir & Turkwel -pokots- has issues!. Uganda makes a kill - selling power at 21kshs a unit. But now I think Ketraco is about done connecting Naivasha's Geothermal to western kenya -. Turkwell was suppose to fill that void but it's been closed for years now due to insecurity problem. It such a shame that such investment - 100MW - of power - cannot be produced because kenya police cannot gurantee the security of Kengen stuff. Sondu Mirru really functions only during rainy season because it doesn't have a reservior dam.

Uganda are going to get in trouble if they don't figure out how to consume 1,000MWs - Karuma dam alone will produce 600MWs - and it cost them nearly 2B dollars!!

Anyway maybe South Africa will eventually buy all the excess power given ANC inability to bring in new power sources down south.

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 8:48am On Feb 17, 2019
vaxx:
myopic tendency. i am challenging you now to accept it . Your deluded mind think Ghana of yesterday is still the same of today. Dont worry, you will be expose just as you were expose earlier. you may give it a shoot.


Your ignorance start when you said germans lack technical knolwedge compare to USA
You've now gone haywire with your lies. grin When did I say the bolded? Can you quote it here for all to see. Anyway, I dey chop. Make I finish com handle your sorry case. Tanda there,I dey com. Shogbo?
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:48am On Feb 17, 2019
We have had 3 national elections since the 2007 pogrom - if you include repeat election - and there was no ethnic violence. There were the usual police & protestors clashing. Dealing with hate speech means drawing the line btw is acceptable and what isn't - and people taking responsibility.

Anyway talking to Nigerian on anything progressive like that is like talking to a stone. You live in a zoo - where anything goes.

obaaderemi:
You need to deal with ethnic violence in little India fast. Shutting down internet forum has not helped you. I hope your next election would not be like the ones before it in terms of violence.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 8:51am On Feb 17, 2019
If you mean Uganda then they have 10B debt (7B external) - and their GDP is around 25-30B - so they are still fine. They are of course betting on oil changing their fortunes.
Jonraid:
23 billion dollars debt,that's not our problem but man those are serious figures!

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 8:55am On Feb 17, 2019
rvp2018:
[s]We have had 3 national elections since the 2007 pogrom - if you include repeat election - and there was no ethnic violence. There were the usual police & protestors clashing. Dealing with hate speech means drawing the line btw is acceptable and what isn't - and people taking responsibility.

Anyway talking to Nigerian on anything progressive like that is like talking to a stone. You live in a zoo - where anything goes.[/s]

Keep living in delusion and giving all your attention to Nigeria as your own country burns. This is the same way you used to mock Nigeria with boko haram until four malnourished Somalis whipped your arsees in the center of Nairobi only for your bacon to be saved by a lone ranger foreigner again.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 8:55am On Feb 17, 2019
rvp2018:
How is Nigeria doing in that end - social investment - it seems to be fairing badly year in year out.
In Nigeria, the only state who try to influence that was ondo state Goverment. but the process was cut short. The state build mother and child hospital ( first of its kind in africa) , he also build several basics elementry schools to speed up educational progress in the state and she was on the plan to introduce a universal health care ( called kaadi igbeayo) before all plans went opposite.

Nigeria Goverment focus on infrastructure rather than human development
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 8:56am On Feb 17, 2019
Constant report by who and who ?
obaaderemi:
Even at that or because of that, you are mostly in the news for the wrong reasons. For example, the constant report that 60% of Nairobi's people live in slums-- a claim many Little Indians say is influenced by the presence of these international organizations.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 8:58am On Feb 17, 2019
obaaderemi:
You've now gone haywire with your lies. grin When did I say the bolded? Can you quote it here for all to see. Anyway, I dey chop. Make I finish com handle your sorry case. Tanda there,I dey com. Shogbo?
so you recently forgot When you denied that Americans did not copy their technological model from Germany .

Do well, so your ignorance can be exposed as usual
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 8:58am On Feb 17, 2019
I meant our 'Seuth Afrikens' counterparts!

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/Why-lights-keep-going-out-SAfrica/1066-4984458-view-asAMP-r38e5n/index.html
rvp2018:
If you mean Uganda then they have 10B debt (7B external) - and their GDP is around 25-30B - so they are still fine. They are of course betting on oil changing their fortunes.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 9:03am On Feb 17, 2019
A welcome visit to GHANA

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 9:06am On Feb 17, 2019
Jonraid:
A nine billion dollar dam? That's almost the 10 billion they collect as annual revenues!

Who will consume all the 2000 plus MW of electricity from that dam? I doubt if they have the capacity to absorb all that. Both Ethiopia and Tanzania are looking towards selling Kenya their electricity. Kenya is on the other hand consolidating its own power production. We ony import power from Uganda during the drought so as to cover our deficit because of the low power output in our hydro plants . We are now building new dams and focusing on geothermal and other renewables, I don't think we will be in this business if importing some little power in the years to come.
A dam will cost 3b. Where are you getting 9b from?
FYI, we had 40 companies who were bidding for the project! None of them asked for 9 billions. All of them were in 3 billion range.So how will the 6b get into equation? Remember, this is engineering feat,its mathematical.

The extra 2000 of MW will go into manufacturing, mining especially a gold smelter and steel smelters which are in the pipeline. We couldn't do all those mega projects for lacking power.Our power demand per annum grows by 10 to 15%. More than 90% of Tanzania's minerals are still lying underground. We extracted less than 10% of our mineral reserves. So we need power more than kenya.

In case we gets more power we will export to anyone

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:07am On Feb 17, 2019
Huge disaster - that is why poverty is increasing - and all human indices are down and keep regressing. Why can't they borrow from Ghana - or they are codeined in their delusion of grandeur.
vaxx:
In Nigeria, the only state who try to influence that was ondo state Goverment. but the process was cut short. The state build mother amd child hospital ( first of its kind in africa) , he also build severy basics elementry schools to speed up educational progress in the state and he was on the plan to introduce a universal health care ( called kaadi igbeayo) before all plans went opposite.

Nigeria Goverment focus on infrastructure rather than human development
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:09am On Feb 17, 2019
They are still so many miles ahead and can afford to mess around a little longer - but if Ramaphose fails - then I see RSA trying Malema smiley in 5-10yrs and then Zimbwabwe it will be.
Jonraid:
I meant our 'Seuth Afrikens' counterparts!

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/Why-lights-keep-going-out-SAfrica/1066-4984458-view-asAMP-r38e5n/index.html
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 9:09am On Feb 17, 2019
Let's wait for the government's clarification
Kazikazi:
A dam will cost 3b. Where are you getting 9b from?
FYI, we had 40 companies who were bidding for the project! None of them asked for 9 billions. All of them were in 3 billion range.So how will the 6b get into equation? Remember, this is engineering feat,its mathematical.

The extra 2000 of MW will go into manufacturing, mining especially a gold smelter and steel smelters which are in the pipeline. We couldn't do all those mega projects for lacking power.Our power demand per annum grows by 10 to 15%. More than 90% of Tanzania's minerals are still lying underground. We extracted less than 10% of our mineral reserves. So we need power more than kenya.

In case we gets more power we will export to anyone
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by chrisagyei: 9:10am On Feb 17, 2019
theenchanter:
what size of coke is sold at 1.7cedis? I've been to ghana before.oh, u talking about the small coke n not d regular 50cl.

There's no commodity in Ghana that's cheaper than what u get in naija, not even a table water!
I said the regular one is sold for 1 cedi including pepsi.They're both in a serious price competition here.The smaller one is sold for 70 pesewes which is 0.70 cedis.I buy them everyday in Accra.We spend our coin denomination vigourously and it has not lost its usefulness and value like the kobo.All transport fares are fixed and nationally regulated thus very cheap except chattered taxis for customised rides.Oh and foodstuffs is abnormally low due to high modernised and subsidized farming.Bumber harvest everywhere due to the government's national policy "Planting for Food and Jobs"Free fertilizers,seeds and very easy access to loan by farmers.The farmers are getting richer and richer with with tractors and combine harvestors easily provided by the government.Food is cheap over here and exported to our neighbouring countries

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 9:12am On Feb 17, 2019
But from the look of the few South Africans here, they don't see Malema at the helm any time soon. He is only good in the street or the opposition.
rvp2018:
They are still so many miles ahead and can afford to mess around a little longer - but if Ramaphose fails - then I see RSA trying Malema smiley in 5-10yrs and then Zimbwabwe it will be.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by chrisagyei: 9:14am On Feb 17, 2019
chrisagyei:
I said the regular one is sold for 1 cedi including pepsi.They're both in a serious price competition here.The smaller one is sold for 70 pesewes which is 0.70 cedis.I buy them everyday in Accra.We spend our coin denomination vigourously and it has not lost its usefulness and value like the kobo.All transport fares are fixed and nationally regulated thus very cheap except chattered taxis for customised rides.Oh and foodstuffs is abnormally low due to high modernised and subsidized farming.Bumber harvest everywhere due to the government's national policy "Planting for Food and Jobs"Free fertilizers,seeds and very easy access to loan by farmers.The farmers are getting richer and richer with with tractors and combine harvestors easily provided by the government.Food is cheap over here and exported to our neighbouring countries.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:18am On Feb 17, 2019
3.6B for 2,100Mw by some Egyptian firm sound like we have another Ethiopia situation.That huge grand reinnascance dam turns out was big con - foundation too weak to support the dam. Those things can only be really "estimated" once foundation work is done.

Be prepared for several cost variation or a white elephant

Anyway Uganda are building 600Mw for 1.7B dollars - and that was 10yrs ago. Now you tells us you can build nearly 4 times bigger dam - for - twice the cost in 2019!

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Tanzania-hydropower-dam-to-cost-more-than-double/2560-4983074-1123cf1z/index.html

That expert is right - that dam will cost 10B! - if it ever get completed.

This not the first dam to be build in the world - so it easy to estimate.

Kazikazi:
A dam will cost 3b. Where are you getting 9b from?
FYI, we had 40 companies who were bidding for the project! None of them asked for 9 billions. All of them were in 3 billion range.So how will the 6b get into equation? Remember, this is engineering feat,its mathematical.

The extra 2000 of MW will go into manufacturing, mining especially a gold smelter and steel smelters which are in the pipeline. We couldn't do all those mega projects for lacking power.Our power demand per annum grows by 10 to 15%. More than 90% of Tanzania's minerals are still lying underground. We extracted less than 10% of our mineral reserves. So we need power more than kenya.

In case we gets more power we will export to anyone

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:21am On Feb 17, 2019
People are fickle.Zuma was Malema. If Ramaphosa with his education & business acumen fails - and Malema is next. Malema is populist. So he'll easily get in.
Jonraid:
But from the look of the few South Africans here, they don't see Malema at the helm any time soon. He is only good in the street or the opposition.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 9:28am On Feb 17, 2019
rvp2018:
Huge disaster - that is why poverty is increasing - and all human indices are down and keep regressing. Why can't they borrow from Ghana - or they are codeined in their delusion of grandeur.
Many delegates have been sent from Nigeria to Ghana on several occasions, Nigeria has sent delegate on education, how Ghana was able to perfect it at terriatry level, tourism, and likewise on religious tolerance. Ghana has both muslim and christain too. but tbey have been living in harmony.


in Ghana, one can undergo a brain surgery or heart surgery for as little as 1 dollar 50 cents (600 naira)under the health care scheme so far it is caused by accident.


And before they come on me, Ghana too has sent delegates to Nigeria. to learn about BRT and some other softer issues

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:34am On Feb 17, 2019
I think both infrastructure and social investment has to go hand in hand. Ghana definitely is one of most progressive sub-saharan country - and will achieve middle-class faster than many countries.

How do you finance the national health scheme? How do make sure the poor can afford coverage - assuming it's insurance?

vaxx:
Many delegates have been sent from Nigeria to Ghana on several occasions, Nigeria has sent sent delegate on education, how Ghana was able to perfect at terriatry level, tourism, and likewise on religious tolerance. Ghana has both muslim and christain too. but tbey have been living in harmony.


in Ghana, one can undergo a brain surgery or heart surgery for as little as 1 dollar 50 cents (600 naira)under the health care scheme so far it is caused by accident.


And before they come on me, Ghana too has sent delegates to nigeria. to learn about BRT and some other softer issues

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 9:36am On Feb 17, 2019
VAx = NHIS - To make sure that all Ghanaian citizens made some contribution to the scheme, a 2.5% Health Insurance Levy on selected goods and services was passed into law so that the money collected could be put into a National Health Insurance Fund to subsidize fully paid contributions to the District Health Insurance Schemes.

That probably the trick - 2.5% health insurance levy.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 9:36am On Feb 17, 2019
Port Harcourt

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by theenchanter: 9:37am On Feb 17, 2019
The things I see on nairaland sha.... gringringrin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 9:39am On Feb 17, 2019
theenchanter:
The things I see on nairaland sha.... gringringrin
The things weak me, I swear grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 9:42am On Feb 17, 2019
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