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The Truth about Atheism is that it is Foolishness, Stupidity and Ignorance to introduce it into our Nigerian Thinking Culture.

Where are the good atheists?

My first thread concerning atheists

The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth

jesusjnr:
Is atheism really the belief that God does not exist? Not necessarily so, for an atheist actually believes that a god exists, but that, that god is the atheist himself. Hence the atheist feels he is not supposed to submit himself or be a subject to any other god or authority!subject!

I gave this thread a swerve when you created it though it irritated me at the time. I figured you'd missed where we'd attempted to iron out the definition of atheism but got nowhere. To begin with, it is not the case that atheists believe a god exists and just refuse to worship it, atheists have no belief whatsoever that any gods exist so worshipping it is mute. But, what I'd consider a greater error is the giving credit due to Christianity to atheism.

I do not agree that God requires anyone "to submit or be a subject to any other god or authority!" Jesus did not submit to any god or authority, so why should those who follow his will submit to any god or authority? And did he not say "the Kingdom of God is within you"?

I put it to you that Jesus has given one the authority to become as gods and atheists have missed a trick if it is true that they believe that they are the gods. Or is it not exactly the power of God within one that makes one godlike?

The Children of God do not have to submit to anything, is my controversial point here since the Spirit of God is within and empowering them. I would not be surprised if there are levels though.

Sorry I left out the rest, though read.

budaatum:
To begin with, it is not the case that atheists believe a god exists and just refuse to worship it, atheists have no belief whatsoever that any gods exist so worshipping it is mute.

So if that be the case and what defines atheism for you, then going by that definition, the end of atheism is nigh.

For if these atheists witness the extent of works that Moses had done in the land of Egypt non of them would remain atheist, because thru the works God would have proven that He indeed exists.

So that is what is going to take place, and atheism would be completely extinguished.

And all that could be left are pagans, sinners, etc. who continue in their rebellious ways regardless but never atheists because the proof of God's would have destroyed it.

jesusjnr:
So if that be the case and what defines atheism for you, then going by that definition, the end of atheism is nigh.

For if these atheists witness the extent of works that Moses had done in the land of Egypt non of them would remain atheist, because thru the works God would have proven that He indeed exists.

So that is what is going to take place, and atheism would be completely extinguished.

And all that could be left are pagans, sinners, etc. who continue in their rebellious ways regardless but never atheists because the proof of God's would have destroyed it.

As I mentioned, that would depend on your definition of atheism. I, for instance, have a wonderful surgeon who does not believe or worship God but stopped me from dying and cured me of being lame. He'd refer to himself as an atheist, but the Power of God is surely within him, and I'd go as far as to claim all the knowledge that allows him to effectively do his job is 'Jesus', and if he did not have 'Jesus' in his life he would not even be a surgeon. He sure is doing some of what Jesus said even moreso would we do.

budaatum:
As I mentioned, that would depend on your definition of atheism. I, for instance, have a wonderful surgeon who does not believe or worship God but stopped me from dying and cured me of being lame. He'd refer to himself as an atheist, but the Power of God is surely within him, and I'd go as far as to claim all the knowledge that allows him to effectively do his job is 'Jesus', and if he did not have 'Jesus' in his life he would not even be a surgeon. He sure is doing some of what Jesus said even moreso would we do.

Going by your definition of atheism, if that atheist gets to see the kinds of works of God that God did with Moses in the land of Egypt, then he would automatically cease to be an atheist.

You know I don't speak to please anybody, either the christians, atheists, Muslims, pagans etc. I just speak what I believe is the truth, and everything else can take care of themselves.

Of course you already know that about me, so that's yet what you gonna get.

The end of atheism is nigh!

jesusjnr:
Going by your definition of atheism, if that atheist gets to see the kinds of works of God that God did with Moses in the land of Egypt, then he would automatically cease to be an atheist.

You know I don't speak to please anybody, either the christians, atheists, Muslims, pagans etc. I just speak what I believe is the truth, and everything else can take care of themselves.

Of course you already know that about me, so that's yet what you gonna get.

The end of atheism is nigh!

Hopefully, you'd notice I too don't need to please anyone, though I try really hard to keep my belief out of my conversations much less present it as the truth.

One thing many do not seem to understand is that religion, along with everything else, evolves. The idea that everything we Nigerians call God could become 'Love one another', is not something we understand yet. It is in that sense that many atheists, are doing more of God's work than many Christians and than most of Nigerian Christians in particular. Just ask any Nigerian living in Europe, which is heaven and which is hell. I just need look out my window or fall ill in either country to see which is which.

While many would claim they gave us the Bible and enslaved us, the truth is that God is using that same Bible to free us. It was the works that "God did with Moses in the land of Egypt" that has ensured that Nigerians have Bibles, and without it, you can't argue we'd have been much worse off today. Those who brought it to us were telling 'Pharoah' (which is 'ignorance') to let my people go out of the 'bondage of ignorance'. Christians say the exact same thing when they claim that "only through the knowledge of God shall ye enter the Kingdom of Heaven". And this is where your definition of atheist had it's fault, and in another sense, it's merit.

In the merit sense you said:

"If you are an atheist and you have a good heart, you are in the wrong place, for you belong with God!"

It explains how the pagan Samaritan would enter heaven and not the believing priest and Levite. The fault will be in thinking being an atheist or Christian is what's relevant. I don't believe God gives a damn what we call ourselves since to worship God is to have a good heart and do God's will. And when Nigeria gets to understand that, instead of thinking what we believe in our heads is of greater importance, it too will become heaven and angels will live in it.

As to atheism coming to an end, I'm afraid I see new wines in old skins, myself.

budaatum:
As to atheism coming to an end, I'm afraid I see new wines in old skins, myself.

So please i'm curious to find out what this means going by your definition of atheism, for if you have truly left atheism because you now believe in the existence of God, then that means that you actually think that there's a distinctive difference in that respect, and hence are actually contradicting yourself here.

Of course I won't forget your "thunder fire Jesus", outburst in my thread about Jesus Words, which I believe was because of this particular thread i just created at the time.

At least that would have made you understand that i was not here to take sides or to please anyone but to do my job.

Hence that made me take a step back from you then, because I knew that even though as you could see that I don't have any problem, associating with any one, as long as they have something that I could relate with, but that the fact that you had one leg inside and one leg out and weren't fully committed, could possibly lead to such unwarranted outbursts.

However you could see that i yet showed once in a while that I had completely written you off, but it was only when you openly said you had left atheism that I thought it was now safe to relate with you as I would have always loved to do, as you were now inside.

So from the inside I want to know what you meany by that saying, and if you as an insider could easily explode with "thunder fire Jesus" as you did then as an atheist after I opened this thread, to vent your anger at me.

For if you wouldn't, then you are consequently saying that you actually get my point, and that it's not "new wine in old wine skins, that would burst the old skins because the new wine is too hot for the old skin to handle, and hence wasted, as you showed via that instance, but actually "new wine in new wine skins" where both are hence preserved.

jesusjnr:
So please i'm curious to find out what this means going by your definition of atheism, for if you have truly left atheism because you now believe in the existence of God, then that means that you actually think that there's a distinctive difference in that respect, and hence are actually contradicting yourself here.

Of course I won't forget your "thunder fire Jesus", outburst in my thread about Jesus Words, which I believe was because of this particular thread i just created at the time.

At least that would have made you understand that i was not here to take sides or to please anyone but to do my job.

Hence that made me take a step back from you then, because I knew that even though as you could see that I don't have any problem, associating with any one, as long as they have something that I could relate with, but that the fact that you had one leg inside and one leg out and weren't fully committed, could possibly lead to such unwarranted outbursts.

However you could see that i yet showed once in a while that I had completely written you off, but it was only when you openly said you had left atheism that I thought it was now safe to relate with you as I would have always loved to do, as you were now inside.

So from the inside I want to know what you meany by that saying, and if you as an insider could easily explode with "thunder fire Jesus" as you did then as an atheist after I opened this thread, to vent your anger at me.

For if you wouldn't, then you are consequently saying that you actually get my point, and that it's not "new wine in old wine skins, that would burst the old skins because the new wine is too hot for the old skin to handle, and hence wasted, as you showed via that instance, but actually "new wine in new wine skins" where both are hence preserved.

First, my "thunder fire Jesus" since you've managed to call it an angry outburst, twice. You seem to have disregarded subsequent posts, jesus, I wonder why. If meant negatively, would that not have qualified me as satan? Please know that buda, the old buda, and this new buda, does not vent, nor burst, and very rarely does anger! The expression albeit expressed in old skins meant "Jesus is thunder and fire! Make way satan!" Those with sight will see spirits and not devils!

We think ourselves a little too important sometimes, is the problem. We look, with our supposedly perfect eyes, into the soul of another and can decide if they are "one of us", or "one of their's" which is why we can decide to "completely write some off" despite claiming God created everything. How any person who believes God created all human beings by breathing the breath of life into the mud that they are can resort to insulting that breathe of life in the mud, astounds me! I'm sure if I were to go to the temple they built to God and stand there insulting it they'd take umbrage, so why would they stand there insulting the temple God built with his own hands? Or is it not true that God dwells in his temple, the human being? Or is just that the sort of Christians we have here are not the sort to do with mustard seeds and peacemaking? We sure have a lot to learn it would seem.

I, personally don't give much credit to beliefs. I've always said, "why believe when I can know?" I read for a living and have found that todays belief is tomorrows ignorance, so why would I cherish a belief knowing full well I might have to abandon it when superior information turns up? Besides, my so called "belief in the existence of God", which is more of an acceptance of the teachings of Jesus Christ (which has never been in doubt), has not managed to clear out my head of all the things I knew prior to that point but reinforced them, and my issues with Christians still stands. We'd have to call buda a 'knower' and not a believer, or a Christian even, I guess. Thankfully, God belongs to no one. (Can you see why there was never a thread of conversion now?)

Many do not spend a lot of time actually studying those who opposed Jesus and his teachings. The focus seems to be on the 'believe' bits so a lot is missed. It is perhaps why some take on a Pharisaic attitude in their Christianity, focusing more on the beliefs of others and not on the power of Christ in themselves. Hence you'd find a Christian opening threads just to ridicule atheists and anyone who does not believe what they do and be the first to hate their neighbours and turn to foul language. Would Christ do that? I don't think so! Did Christ teach not to do that? I think he did. So why would so called 'believers in Christ' do the opposite of what Christ taught and never did himself? Christianity in practise, I guess. Quick to teach others to turn the other cheek but quicker to slap back when slapped, and even slap first! I'm not going to accept that such Lord Lordism is what I've understood by reading my Bible, and in my opinion, it's impossible for such attitudes to be the ones that prevail! In fact, jesus, such attitudes must not be allowed to prevail!

Atheism is an attitude of skeptism. Atheists like evidence for what they accept as being as claimed and for what they believe, and with the number of years adopting that attitude, I doubt it could ever leave me per se. No, I'm not all of a sudden going to believe that the likes of TBJ really cures people of Aids when the truth is that I've seen those he supposedly healed die of the illness he healed them of. Nor would I ever take the book of Genesis as literally true since I happen to know it isn't. But that does not mean the teachings in the Genesis narrative are not true, and nor does it mean that I will abandon my skeptism.

I have called Jesus the greatest atheist, a thought that still stands. He was atheistic to the beliefs of his day and was crucified for being a heretic. But, despite the obscuranticsm he's shrouded in, necessarily at times, there's still a lot to learn from him. It is after all no joke to understand what is meant by "The Spirit of God is within me!" And "Blessed are the peacemakers", "and by their fruit shall we know them". It is my opinion that if he were to turn up today he would likely be asking, "Where is the salt of the earth?" "What happened to the mustard seeds?" "Where are my poor, and my sheep, and my peacemakers?" "Has satan truly got them all?" And rent his clothe and weep.

Atheism will not die, jesus. There's always going to be skeptics in the world where the spiritual is concerned. The 'believers', rather unfortunately, with their inability to show Christ through love, being warmongers instead of peacemakers, and slapping first, would not allow atheism to die! For no one who witnesses the sort of Christianity some practise could possibly sit by and let that be the prevalent view! If atheism actually does die and everyone becomes a 'believer' that would not be a thing to rejoice in, going by the evidence. To start with we'd turn on those who don't exactly believe what one does and kill them too, except we'd all be blunt knives with no iron to sharpen us as we recede into darkness singing aleluya amen.

But what's more likely to happen is that atheists get to understand that "blessed are the peacemakers (and there's is much evidence, which atheists love for the validity of this statement), and they take over God from those who merely believe as even the devil does. For as you'd say, "it is not they who say 'Lord, Lord', that shall enter the KoG, but those who do my will. And as you've seen, some so called atheists can "do my will" much more than some so called believers.

Sorry about the length of this. I seem to have put responses to other threads in this one post.

The truth about atheism has been confirmed.

It's insane and unrealistic. It's a Sudanese Bokoharam.

Gay Jesus. Spits.