slimthugchimee2:

But bro why you carry this India matter for head naa? Wetin dem do you?

That dude as serious issue

Pakistan has been under LOTS of HEAT since the double jeopardy of the terrorist attack in India and the downing of the Indian jet.
They made the first moves towards deescalation (you don't do that if you BELIEVE you can win a fight). The clampdown on terrorist groups is another overture to the Indian government.
Methinks the fact that not many countries came out to back the Pakistanis on this has forced them to the table.
The world is run by MONEY... India has more o it than Pakistan.

Looks like NAF has acquired Marauder mine protected vehicle from paramount group South Africa for SOC
Looks like this variant has a Jordanian turret

Jeez. I'm trying to understand this Pak vs India happening here, is kabe1 Pakistani? If no, why always flogging the issue. I want to believe most people that come here are matured enough to have been able to form an opinion of what happened between these two countries and in that respect, kabe1, it's not possible to force what you think down people's throats. You've already written your opinion here countless times(which you are entitled to and I respect that) and coming back with it again after it's past seems to me like (a) a propaganda (b) hate (c) troll... I could go on and on but wondering who the hell takes nairaland serious. It's good to see that we are past Nig vs SA bullshit.

jakeporeshenko:
Looks like NAF has acquired Marauder mine protected vehicle from paramount group South Africa for SOC
Looks like this variant has a Jordanian turret

I saw the picture on the guys IG page yesterday but I was like is this photoshop or not ??
Any information or numbers they acquired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlfIEuBz8Y

Short clip on NBSS

https://www.calibreobscura.com/the-weaponary-of-is-west-africa-boko-haram/

Good reflection on weapons seized by insurgents in the NE


...The weapons of ... are very clearly a reflection of the local area, in particular the purchasing decisions of the Nigerian Army and other local forces. There is little to no examples of Marksman Rifles, ATGM, or advanced optic use.

Just to add, the quote above outlines the Army's hierarchy lethargic and non strategic approach to the correct form of weaponry deployed by the army.

Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlfIEuBz8Y

Short clip on NBSS

The only good units in Nigeria seem to be 'SF' soldiers. Otherwise footage from non SF soldiers mostly leaves a dross taste. I think of it like SF get private school education while the rest are public educated. The latter while not all bad exhibit the limited training they got.

Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlfIEuBz8Y

Short clip on NBSS

Nice video @fynline.

BlackBaron:
Good reflection on weapons seized by insurgents in the NE


...The weapons of ... are very clearly a reflection of the local area, in particular the purchasing decisions of the Nigerian Army and other local forces. There is little to no examples of Marksman Rifles, ATGM, or advanced optic use.

Just to add, the quote above outlines the Army's hierarchy lethargic and non strategic approach to the correct form of weaponry deployed by the army.

You might like to explain what ATGMs are needed for please

On this page we've seen regular grunts wielding Marksman Rifles- In the shape of Steyr ssg69 and Dragunovs also have we seen Advanced Optics in the shape of thermal imagers.

Tell me, do these need to be captured before you know the inventory of the Army?
You sound like you read the article with a preconceived idea of things

BlackBaron:

The only good units in Nigeria seem to be 'SF' soldiers. Otherwise footage from non SF soldiers mostly leaves a dross taste. I think of it like SF get private school education while the rest are public educated. The latter while not all bad exhibit the limited training they got.

21 Brigade, 145 Bn etc, these are units off the top of my head that are reputed to have never lost an action with Boko or its offshoots

What is difference between Regulars and SF if not of the wide latitude of skills

jakeporeshenko:
Looks like NAF has acquired Marauder mine protected vehicle from paramount group South Africa for SOC
Looks like this variant has a Jordanian turret

Fruits from warm relations with Jordan/Azerbaijan perhaps

A Nigerian soldier Explained how he fought Boko Haram half naked in sambisa forest...

Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlfIEuBz8Y

Short clip on NBSS

Trainings like these are good but me think they are kind of rigid and static. Doing this over and over again becomes lethargic. I've seen a video on YouTube where French special forces or legionnaires (can't remember which) where training in an urban area and the population where going about their business indifferent to what was happening. This kind of training presents different kinds of scenarios, i.e down a street might be a parked car and the next minute mightn't be there. And I think they have houses in the urban areas where the enemies hide. So, you might be patrolling an area or given a task to get to a point and the next thing you are getting hit from an adjacent building. Best scenarios for urban warfare in my opinion.

bidexiii:



I saw the picture on the guys IG page yesterday but I was like is this photoshop or not ??
Any information or numbers they acquired.

Can’t be photoshop, no clue how many were purchased, but eventually we’ll find out.

Geronimoe:

Trainings like these are good but me think they are kind of rigid and static. Doing this over and over again becomes lethargic. I've seen a video on YouTube where French special forces or legionnaires (can't remember which) where training in an urban area and the population where going about their business indifferent to what was happening. This kind of training presents different kinds of scenarios, i.e down a street might be a parked car and the next minute mightn't be there. And I think they have houses in the urban areas where the enemies hide. So, you might be patrolling an area or given a task to get to a point and the next thing you are getting hit from an adjacent building. Best scenarios for urban warfare in my opinion.

I would want to believe that the urban warfare training you mentioned is also being done. There are different kinds of training inculcated within a standard battalion training calendar. What these guys are doing in this video is the very basic 'fire and move'. They will do it repeatedly until it becomes second nature. It does look good in the video, but I'm not too sure about the trainer allowing the troops to cut across each others line of fire in this zigzag fashion. I think this zigzag movement might only be applicable to SF troops. The basic 'fire and move' training entails that each person will maintain a well-defined firing path, anyone who cuts across like these guys are doing is automatically failed and will be smashed up and down hills until he learns his lesson.

claremont:


I would want to believe that the urban warfare training you mentioned is also being done. There are different kinds of training inculcated within a standard battalion training calendar. What these guys are doing in this video is the very basic 'fire and move'. They will do it repeatedly until it becomes second nature. It does look good in the video, but I'm not too sure about the trainer allowing the troops to cut across each others line of fire in this zigzag fashion. I think this zigzag movement might only be applicable to SF troops. The basic 'fire and move' training entails that each person will maintain a well-defined firing path, anyone who cuts across like these guys are doing is automatically failed and will be smashed up and down hills until he learns his lesson.

I think you should follow mighty_russia IG page. You'd see videos of Spec ops crossing lines engaging targets, firing overhead their partners etc. As they say, smooth is fast, those fellas look they are still rookie SBS guys (fresh from BOC-C). That movement when drilled to perfection (like I saw on the mentioned IG page) becomes thrilling!


I have been begging to get a training video from a friend where they (SBS) were sniping bottles down the range with GPMGs. The fellow uploaded it on IG and took it down before I could download!

Odunayaw:
I think you should follow mighty_russia IG page. You'd see videos of Spec ops crossing lines engaging targets, firing overhead their partners etc. As they say, smooth is fast, those fellas look they are still rookie SBS guys (fresh from BOC-C). That movement when drilled to perfection (like I saw on the mentioned IG page) becomes thrilling!


I have been begging to get a training video from a friend where they (SBS) were sniping bottles down the range with GPMGs. The fellow uploaded it on IG and took it down before I could download!

Agreed. This kind of zigzag movement isn't in the training manual of standard troops. I remember years ago, a few colleagues were made to leopard crawl up and down hills just because they mistakenly cut across the line of fire of team member whilst performing this training. It's an automatic fail in basic training for standard troops because it's a very dangerous maneuver. These guys do it effortlessly in this video though.

Odunayaw:
You might like to explain what ATGMs are needed for please

On this page we've seen regular grunts wielding Marksman Rifles- In the shape of Steyr ssg69 and Dragunovs also have we seen Advanced Optics in the shape of thermal imagers.

Tell me, do these need to be captured before you know the inventory of the Army?
You sound like you read the article with a preconceived idea of things

Lol, chill out.
Its saying these hardwares are far and between. Away from capturing, its stressing the limited response to bh tactics where they swarm and overwhelm with technicals providing suppressing fire. Their seeming inability to respond tactically then sees them overruned with overwhelming firepower. ATGM or recoiless for example to knock out technicals?

Odunayaw:
21 Brigade, 145 Bn etc, these are units off the top of my head that are reputed to have never lost an action with Boko or its offshoots

What is difference between Regulars and SF if not of the wide latitude of skills

On the same NL, numerous videos of units engaging with poor marksmanship and indiscipline. The difference between both types of soldiers are just too wide that some regulars are just terribly trained.

claremont:


Agreed. This kind of zigzag movement isn't in the training manual of standard troops. I remember years ago, a few colleagues were made to leopard crawl up and down hills just because they mistakenly cut across the line of fire of team member whilst performing this training. It's an automatic fail in basic training for standard troops because it's a very dangerous maneuver. These guys do it effortlessly in this video though.

"colleagues", are you serving?

I think that ATGM's though expensive will be a decider in most of these engagements, they could be knocked out afar off. BH have effectively used technicals in this war and it's one of their major strategy.

Odunayaw:
"colleagues", are you serving?

British army airborne veteran (16 Air Assault Brigade), highlight of my career was training with the American 82nd Airborne. I have also trained and deployed with airborne troops from most european armies e.g French (top drinkers!), German, polish etc. Travelled around the world, been to kenya several times to train kenyan airborne particularly their airborne medics. My ex-employers wouldn't send me to Nigeria for obvious reasons, they sent a few of my colleagues instead to Kaduna, Nigeria to train the air force ''SF''. The photos of my ex-colleagues were even posted here at some point.

I follow this thread because it brings back some nostalgic memories.

BlackBaron:
Lol, chill out.
Its saying these hardwares are far and between. Away from capturing, its stressing the limited response to bh tactics where they swarm and overwhelm with technicals providing suppressing fire. Their seeming inability to respond tactically then sees them overruned with overwhelming firepower. ATGM or recoiless for example to knock out tecnicals?

ATGM is a pretty unnecessarily expensive way to take out a Technical no? Considering the sheer numbers of Techies you can deduce how much we will end up spending per contact.
Anyway, how u put it now makes me understand you better.

On the same NL, numerous videos of units engaging with poor marksmanship and indiscipline. The difference between both types of soldiers are just too wide that some regulars are just terribly trained.

There are more than those two affecting the "numerous units" e.g inadequate troop numbers, haphazard siting of base, poor predeployment training and the list goes on

The victorious Bn,Bdes are all cut from the same cloth and training institution no?
As I said any SF that doesn't earn its worth everyday through work up training (something that mayn't be available to regulars) with efficient planning to boot.
If our SF are used without poor planning (as NA SF were used at the early stages of the war) you'd get similar results

Geronimoe:
I think that ATGM's though expensive will be a decider in most of these engagements, they could be knocked out afar off. BH have effectively used technicals in this war and it's one of their major strategy.

How about about forcing them into kill zones by "claymore-ing" break points/weak points and then taking them out with 60mm mortars and AGLs

claremont:


British army airborne veteran (16 Air Assault Brigade), highlight of my career was training with the American 82nd Airborne. I have also trained and deployed with airborne troops from most european armies e.g French (top drinkers!), German, polish etc. Travelled around the world, been to kenya several times to train kenyan airborne particularly their airborne medics. My ex-employers wouldn't send me to Nigeria for obvious reasons, they sent a few of my colleagues instead to Kaduna, Nigeria to train the air force ''SF''. The photos of my ex-colleagues were even posted here at some point.

I follow this thread because it brings back some nostalgic memories.

Some massive CV you have here Sir
Are you Nigerian? Could you be Mr Peccavi?

Nice to have you here

Geronimoe:
I think that ATGM's though expensive will be a decider in most of these engagements, they could be knocked out afar off. BH have effectively used technicals in this war and it's one of their major strategy.

How about about forcing them into kill zones by "claymore-ing" break points/weak points and then taking them out with 60mm mortars and AGLs

Odunayaw:
Some massive CV you have here Sir
Are you Nigerian? Could you be Mr Peccavi?

Nice to have you here

Full blooded Nigerian by birth, and British by blood. Half blooded Kenyan because of my kenyan missus.

claremont:


Full blooded Nigerian by birth, and British by blood. Half blooded Kenyan because of my kenyan missus.

so its safe to say you're peccavi right ?

Odunayaw:

ATGM is a pretty unnecessarily expensive way to take out a Technical no? Considering the sheer numbers of Techies you can deduce how much we will end up spending per contact.
Anyway, how u put it now makes me understand you better.

I'm not too sure if it's too expensive. You can pick up some old Hj-73 or Malyukta missiles for dirt cheap. The missiles dont need to be the most modern since the technicals are largely unarmored. They just need to hit their target hence why the obslotete Malyuktas or HJ-73s are my recommendation. Only issue I see is that the accuracy of the missiles are on the low side.

fufubear:

I'm not too sure if it's too expensive. You can pick up some old Hj-73 or Malyukta missiles for dirt cheap. The missiles dont need to be the most modern since the technicals are largely unarmored. They just need to hit their target hence why the obslotete Malyuktas or HJ-73s are my recommendation. Only issue I see is that the accuracy of the missiles are on the low side.

They are shooting from the comforts of 800-1000m out? No problem 60mm mortar rounds or I shoot a burst of 4-6 rounds( HE and Anti personnel) from an AGL at worst 5-10m from the technicals and I get the same result for cheaper. Lesser time to train on it, easier to press into battle too

Odunayaw:
They are shooting from the comforts of 800-1000m out? No problem 60mm mortar rounds or I shoot a burst of 4-6 rounds( HE and Anti personnel) from an AGL at worst 5-10m from the technicals and I get the same result for cheaper. Lesser time to train on it, easier to press into battle too

AMRs at 800m

fufubear:

I'm not too sure if it's too expensive. You can pick up some old Hj-73 or Malyukta missiles for dirt cheap. The missiles dont need to be the most modern since the technicals are largely unarmored. They just need to hit their target hence why the obslotete Malyuktas or HJ-73s are my recommendation. Only issue I see is that the accuracy of the missiles are on the low side.

Very difficult to get a hit on a fast moving target from a MCLOS atgm.

IMO Better option for long range defence is AMRs @800m

Mix in QLZ-87 grenade launchers etc as another option for medium range engagement @400m , has a HEDP ammo suited to defeat light armour

Important thing is not weapons perse , but the ability to maintain situational awareness under the fog of war and use it effectively with the weapons available in hand. Specific training and tactics for specific requirements will enable it