afam4eva:

So because Australia is far people will rather go to Cotonou that's close abi?

If I'm going to spend 5 days in a country,I'd hate to do 2 days on the plane.

denzel2009:

If I'm going to spend 5 days in a country,I'd hate to do 2 days on the plane.

If it's worth the while then why not.

They produce at least half of what we produce. Production ranging between 0.9 - 1.2m barrels/day of oil. I do not have the gas estimates. Their total population is 60 million. Nigeria we produce 2m barrels/day of oil but we shout like we are Saudi Arabia

afam4eva:

Yes, but in small quantity.

They managed the gains from slave trading and colonial expedition well.
At the end it will come down to visionary leadership and education.

kcjazz:

They managed the gains from slave trading and colonial expedition well.
At the end it will come down to visionary leadership and education.

Well said.

Justcash:

UK is a bit  understandable. They once dominated the world, so they leveraged on that. The Country that makes me wanna cry for Nigeria is Singapore. They have nothing. When I say nothing, I mean nothing. Population (people) and natural resources (They import water) are all lacking in that country, but they are very very developed. So developed that even the British and Americans abandon their countries to become their citizens. Each time I visit that country, I weep for my resource rich country. Even if it is about size, why can't Nigeria be categorized with countries like China, Malaysia, Brazil or even India. Instead we are competing with Somalia, Rwanda and co. Na wa o!

Was it not Singapore abi was Malaysia that came to get palm from Nigeria. Where exactly does Singapore get there money from.

Singapore gets bulk of their money from import/Export and Torurism. We have all these in Nigeria plus the Natral resources, human resources yet we're poor. What exactly is wrong with this country.

afam4eva:

Singapore gets bulk of their money from import/Export and Torurism. We have all these in Nigeria plus the Natral resources, human resources yet we're poor. What exactly is wrong with this country.

We have good leaders, Fashola is a fantastic leader, but cannot get the 'TOP JOB' because of our
silly zoning contraption. Nigeria can be turned around a couple of years. It is the 'SYSTEM'

But how can you modernize and effectively manage a Pluralistic Country like Nigeria when you have a group of
people that believes the "Western style education and Technology is evil".

ShangoThor:

We have good leaders, Fashola is a fantastic leader, but cannot get the 'TOP JOB' because of your
silly zoning contraption. Nigeria can be turned around a couple of years. It is the 'SYSTEM'

But how can you modernize and effectively manage a Pluralistic Country like Nigeria when you have a group of
people that believes the "Western style education and Technology is evil".

Fashola is not the only good leader we have. Even with the zoning i believe we can still come up with good leader because every zone is blessed with credible individuals but the cabals will not let them take the mantle of leadership.

afam4eva:

Fashola is not the only good leader we have. Even with the zoning i believe we can still come up with good leader because every zone is blessed with credible individuals but the cabals will not let them take the mantle of leadership.

Of course there are good leaders in every region, but do they get the 'TOP JOB'?

ShangoThor:

Of course there are good leaders in every region, but do they get the 'TOP JOB'?

shangothor, if you are a yoruba man, then you a big[size=38pt]mumu[/size]

no offence

Human beings are meant to be intelligent because they can identify things that work and copy them, and adapt them!

It is simple, look at all the countries that are "allegedly successful" and please tell me if they have a "zoning arrangement".

1. USA, with their North/South Schism, is there zoning?

2. Singapore, is there zoning?

3. Japan, is there zoning?

I don't mean to offend anyone, but its the truth.

unfortunately, the world is not all about natural resources, its about investment.

You make your contry condusive for business, u attract investor, who pays tax (govt makes money) employ ur local labour (govt makes money)

Even america is looking for investment, thats how to make money,
you provide a very good legal system , in which ligitation can be settled effectively,, infastructure, e.g, seucrity, good road, light transport and the right
you respect the rights of everybidy, hindus, christain, muslim and what have u, and not kill ur self like idiots in the north, in the name of boko haram,
then investor wud come to ur company, and brings in both skilled labour, and cash,
imagine EPL, for example, some of those football clubs, even most are owned by foreigner, but re in england, paying tax on everything, even on the ticket, VAT IS NOW 20%, GOVT MAKES MORE MONEY
and spend the money on providing the latest infastrature, come next year, they re facing out the london bus, and providing a new ultra modern bus for london,
more and latest infastruture, they keep investin in thier economy, attracts more investors, make more money from tax, providing jobs for thier local labour

that the way u do it, london is the financial centre of the world, the whole england, is just about 55M, excellent system,
the system is just almost perfect, 99.99%,

u live in england with a good job, though paying taxes, which could be high, u neva want to go back to ur coutry, cos everything work, here,

@ shangor Thor,
they will continue to be Zoning, until we see ourselves as Nigerians, and nor Yoruba, or Hausa or Igbo or south south, as the case may be,

Alhough, london is the most developed city in england, residents of Leeds for example, still see them selves as English people,
there is not seggregation as to londoners, or people living in bradford, or Yorkshire,

A system where by u have to wait for the governor, or president who is in abuja, to come and repair the road in ur streets doesnt work, when the local council is suppose to be the one in charge,

Its all about America, not Obama, or IL where he his from if am not mistaken, its about united kingdom not David cameron,
it should be all about Nigeria, not south south, or GEJ, or northern agenda, or ACF

dayo1401:

@ shangor Thor,
they will continue to be Zoning, until we see ourselves as Nigerians, and nor Yoruba, or Hausa or Igbo or south south, as the case may be,

Alhough, london is the most developed city in england, residents of Leeds for example, still see them selves as English people,
there is not seggregation as to londoners, or people living in bradford, or Yorkshire,

A system where by u have to wait for the governor, or president who is in abuja, to come and repair the road in your streets doesnt work, when the local council is suppose to be the one in charge,

Its all about America, not Obama, or IL where he his from if am not mistaken, its about united kingdom not David cameron,
it should be all about Nigeria, not south south, or GEJ, or northern agenda, or ACF

This is my point, Nigerians hate the truth, this whole corrupt cesspit of a system is self inflicted.

Example, IBB, I asked what is the source of his wealth, how much had he paid in taxes whilst he was being considered to compete in the PDP Primaries
as the chosen candidate of the North and people take offence to it. Nigerians WOW, because nobody wants to admit the extent of the problem things get worse!

I have read everyone's postings and to say I'm impressed is an understatement. However, what you guys have neglected to understand is that:THE AFRICAN CONTINENT (nee the Black Race) HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO FAIL! This is one section of the world that will NEVER see progress; at least not in our lifetime. The powers that be have ensured this. Unlike the black race, whites always "look into the future". . . . For the betterment of future generations. Their fathers plan for the children. The slave trader planned for the industrialist who in turn planned for the technologist who is in turn planning for whatever the next wave will be . . . . Space age technology, maybe. While doing this, they've perfected the art of Pillaging, plundering, stealing and, most importantly: DIVIDE AND CONQUER!!! Knowing that they lack the numbers and the resources to move ahead, they've deviced a method aimed at Pillaging the resource rich African continent without resorting to whips, chains, or dragging people on a boat to go, forcefully, develop their own lands. Now, however, they seek out the most corrupt, most vicious, most criminally minded Africans they can find---one without a conscience that will exploit his own people for "White" benefit---Put him in power, and he does the resource plundering on their behalf; then they turn around and call him corrupt. How else did we have a Babangida in power? How come we have a GEJ in power now? How come a anti-corruption czar like Buhari will wallow in political obscurity, but a self professed "ignora*mus" like GEJ will be encouraged by the West to take over the reins of power? Bottom-Line is:The West Will continue to progress as long as we allow them to dictate who lead us politically. Until we take destiny into our hands, extricate ourselves from their clutches and CHOOSE our leaders,OURSELVES, we will keep getting exploited and a thousand years from now, future generations of intelligent black kids will be asking the same question which we are today asking.

we dont tax the rich in this part of the world, we only worship them and allow them to keep oppressing the poor,

i dont know any individual that has a university in england, OBJ has one, ATtiku has one, igbenedion and the rest,

we can only pray, and hope it gets better,
you would have expected alot of technocrats to be campaigining for the election, but its the same old folkes,
unfortunately, we ve a looooooooooooong way to go

God bless Naija, all the same, we go make am one day, !

Unfortunately, i disagree on some of ur observation,

its not a white or black affair,
people think the west are angels, the reality is, every country is suppose to defend her interest, America for example, will support GEJ, if its in her interest, that the way international politics works

that why u have leaders, to protect the interest of the nation, regardless if it does good or harm to the next nation,

if u say its a white or black affair, how come do u have obama a black man in the hot seat today, well that maybe an extreme example,
lots of fine Nigerians, controllin the world, okonji iweala for example, head economic team, u saw the magic she did, so many brilliant nigerians,

we hate the truth, we love poverty, that its,

we voted for yar adua on sympathy, people didnt know im, prior to his campaign, he wasnt one of those active governors, yet got on the hot seat, or rigged his way if u want to put it that way
same with jonathan, partisan politics, zonning, and the rest,

the reality is, we havent gotten to that stage, we re still growing, hopefully we will get that, realiistically, we might just fail as a nation,
britain went thru many wars, so did america and most contries,
we might jst end up a failed state who knows, as for the west, they wil continue to protect thier interest and protect wahtever will favour them, thats what any smart country shud do, including Nigeria,
God bless naija

@Dayo1401: You can disagree all u like, just one pointer: LEARN YOUR HISTORY!

i kinda get ur point tho, and i understand where u re coming from.
which cud be right, just dat i dont blame history for our failure,
Ghana is begining to wake up, somehow,

just a pity, Nigeria my country, *sobs*

Like someone said, they handled their Empire's leftovers well, plus the other institutions they have. Who says anything about Toyota or Ford when a Boeing/Airbus and a Japan Air fly on Rolls Royce engines.

ShangoThor:

Human beings are meant to be intelligent because they can identify things that work and copy them, and adapt them!

It is simple, look at all the countries that are "allegedly successful" and please tell me if they have a "zoning arrangement".

1. USA, with their North/South Schism, is there zoning?

2. Singapore, is there zoning?

3. Japan, is there zoning?

I don't mean to offend anyone, but its the truth.

Why would Japan have zoning?

brilliant responses. i have been enjoying all the answers. i have been enlightened. 'knowledge' truly is power.

ShangoThor:

Human beings are meant to be intelligent because they can identify things that work and copy them, and adapt them!

It is simple, look at all the countries that are "allegedly successful" and please tell me if they have a "zoning arrangement".

1. USA, with their North/South Schism, is there zoning?

2. Singapore, is there zoning?

3. Japan, is there zoning?

I don't mean to offend anyone, but its the truth.

These countries you named are not as ethnically diverse as Nigeria that explains why zoning will not make sense.

afam4eva:

These countries you named are not as ethnically diverse as Nigeria that explains why zoning will not make sense.

Nigeria is an "Arrangeee" type of SYSTEM.

Rules exist for a reason. The 'Secular Constitution' exists for a reason.

Some of these 'Rules' have evolved over hundreds and thousands of years and have been the determining factors
of the success of 'Wealthy Nations'.

Whenever you have non-constitutional arrangements between factions (be they ethnic, political, regional or RELIGIOUS)
in a 'polity'that disrupts, threatens or renders the 'Secular Constitution' ineffective you will end up with crap or "the ambiguous".

This is the sole reason why we have ended up with an "excuse culture". People make excuses but will never tell you how to fix the problems.


Let me play 'Devil's Advocate' here and rephrase the question (bottom line is I'm constantly learning myself):

Can anyone mention a modern thriving economy (Country) that has such a zoning arrangement?

As I said earlier: "Human beings are meant to be intelligent because they can identify things that work and copy them, and adapt them"!

The short answer is it robbed, r.aped and pillaged other countries.

The long answer is it  built up a formidable naval fleet which enabled it to compete with the trading activities of other great powers like france Holland and portugal, the superiority of its naval fleet led to it dominating the various sea trading routes.

It colonised and appropriated the wealth of several countries all over the world, transferrring vast amounts of wealth and natural resources from those countries into the treasuries of its own nation.

The major factor which led to Britain's standing as one of the wealthiest nations in the world today however was the fact that it was a major player in the transatlantic slave trade.  Britain was responsible for transporting millions of african slaves from west africa across to north america, the carribean and south america for the cultivation of various cash crops.  The monies made from the sale of these crops was ploughed back into the British economy and used to build and develop various british cities such as london, bristol and liverpool. The wealth generated also triggered its industrial revolution.

Despite efforts by many british historians to try and rewrite history and play down the major role that Britain had in enslaving human beings in order to reap huge financial rewards the facts speak for themselves.

Also the city of london provided the money used to fund the slaving voyages and insurance companies such as Lloyds of london insured the vessels used to carry slaves.

of course She is rich, everything works, people pay tax which is used to develop the country (very important) and also common sense and transparency (minimal money looting).
The sad thing is Nigeria has so much potential, so much, if not for the kowoje's society.

@vanitty, cant agree more, !!!!

Another thing to note is  the fact that britain formed economic, military and political alliances with other white run nations such as north america and various countries of europe.

These alliances ensure that Britain and america retain their global  position of economic and political dominance
For example Britain's well equipped military is able to protect its economic interests around the world, in some instances it relies on NATO or the UN to intervene on its behalf in order to take control where negotiation is not working.

Sometimes its not enough for a nation to be able to manage and invest their wealth properly but also about that nation's ability to  defend itself from external agression  - in nigeria today even if we we were able to acheive good leadership we would still be vulnerable to external interference because we can not defend ourselves from an external attack from either europe or america.  This is the origin of all our problems today and i find it strange that no-one ever addresses this issue as it is a major weakness - in many ways we are still as vulnerable as we were during the period of the transatlantic slave trade.

sorry for not reading any of the previous posts b4 making my comment (hence, this may be repetition of what others have said)

why uk is better?

1) they have accumulated wealth and have built up "infrastructures" over the centuries, and havent stop doing the same
2) education and knowledge (well trained human resources) - greater than any natural resources you can ever think of
3) they have political power (on the world stage) and have always use the power to control the world policies to their own advantage
4) good governance

Many African nations are a product colonial powers. Britain is not so until we re-draw our maps and take destiny in our hands nothing positive will happen.

a humorous and condensed account of how britain became so rich and powerful:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWedTbuAtR4