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fero007:
I don't think dey r yoruba offshoots o, cuz you saw similarities btw dem n yoruba? dey are also great similarities between itsekiri and urhobo and ijaw, even edo and even Portuguese influence

fero007:
I don't ve time to explain it but itsekiris are not yorubas, 4get all dis noise we're making here online, anyone who has lived in warri will know there's a BIG diff btw itsekiri n yoruba culture(language aside), anyone judging ethnicity of a people based on language or old origin stories is not aware of the ethnic complexity of the south south, you can't just group everyone into a wazobia system like nigeria is trying to do

to understand better, apart from yoruba and itsekiri, also check out the diff btw the following tribes

Urhobo, Isoko, okpe
Efik, Ibibio, annang
Igbo, Ika, ikwerre
Ijaw, epie, ogbia
Bini, esan, etsako

B4 anyone will bring it up, yes! I know the difference between a DIALECT n an ETHNIC GROUP, and yes! dez r sets of diff ETHNIC GROUPS and NOT dialects of the same tribe, b4 someone wil bring example of ijebu n so on

Opiletool:
Bunch of deluded cretins on a lost course. I stop engaging them when one clown said aworis are not Yoruba.

Opiletool:
Get out of my mention with your stupid maps from ignorant Europeans. A reasonable person will not base an argument on some Europeans that had a contact with some retards then concluded those retards must have being the only people in that region. Go sell ur stupid map to ur fellow schleps.

goalernestman:
And what did they say about Oyo if Oyo was really there at that time.

Hope you forget that Europe named the earth, earth this African that they are 7 continent 7 day's also named by them. So. If Oyo was not really there it was not.

Another thing is that this European favor more of Yoruba than Benin.

They fall Benin and raised Yoruba, the south south south was the power before everything you see happen in east was after fall of Benin empire. but the European came destroy the south and give you Pepe's the power. Now kids that are Born in 20th century never know history.

goalernestman:
And what did they say about Oyo if Oyo was really there at that time.

Hope you forget that Europe named the earth, earth this African that they are 7 continent 7 day's also named by them. So. If Oyo was not really there it was not.

Another thing is that this European favor more of Yoruba than Benin.

They fall Benin and raised Yoruba, the south south south was the power before everything you see happen in east was after fall of Benin empire. but the European came destroy the south and give you Pepe's the power. Now kids that are Born in 20th century never know history.

lx3as:
You can't continue to base argument on African history on sparse knowledge of some Europeans. Get books from earliest African writers, particularly from Timbuktu's Scholars.

This has been resolved several times if you ever read genuine history books: Bini situated few kilometres from the sea and the Portugese, your gods, easily made contact with her. Whereas Oyo was several hundreds kilometres from the sea (far above Ilorin and very close to River Niger); your Portugese that could not get through Aworis and Ijebus couldn't have ventured or reached Oyo capital alive. It took the Britons years to penetrate Yorubas' inter-land. Look for books translated from Arabic by writers from Songhai or Timbuktu, you will find a lot about Oyo Empire but nothing about Bini...

Opiletool:
Oga, Who are you referring to when you said Europeans?
The Portuguese traded with you, the English later came and fought you.
The Portuguese never traded with oyo, who knows if the map was made by the Portuguese who only had contact with bini?

lx3as:
You can't continue to base argument on African history on sparse knowledge of some Europeans. Get books from earliest African writers, particularly from Timbuktu's Scholars.

This has been resolved several times if you ever read genuine history books: Bini situated few kilometres from the sea and the Portugese, your gods, easily made contact with her. Whereas Oyo was several hundreds kilometres from the sea (far above Ilorin and very close to River Niger); your Portugese that could not get through Aworis and Ijebus couldn't have ventured or reached Oyo capital alive. It took the Britons years to penetrate Yorubas' inter-land. Look for books translated from Arabic by writers from Songhai or Timbuktu, you will find a lot about Oyo Empire but nothing about Bini...

goalernestman:
You mean i should get a book from a Yoruba writer or the story Yoruba wrote online. You talk about Arab if truly Arab explorers also meet Oyo why not bring the map and the fact here let we all see it.

Yoruba said Oyo fight Benin empire
Yoruba said they traded with the Europeans
Yoruba said Oyo empire extend to Ghana and even fight with them

And all this was claim as lie by the European Ghana and Benin so what more or u want me to keep believing Yoruba story like animal's talking story. Did you think am a kid.

Even Ghana said there is noting like Oyo in the history that they never come in contact with Oyo and you are saying Arab bro find other thing to bring Arab is to big for Oyo in history.

goalernestman:
Bro don't talk like a baby European go to every real kingdom in west Africa they come to South westy Africa and even go above Oyo in the north of Africa they know river Niger named it and never know Oyo that is a empire in that same region as you said.

Bro the truth is Oyo existed but Oyo empire never existed that the truth Yoruba will never agree to but instead they rewrite history and try to link Oyo empire to other great kingdom that truly existed but the best part of it is all this kingdom don't buy the lie.

lx3as:
It's the other way round; there was nothing like Bini Empire but Yoruba Oba's Bini Kingdom.

Only four empires existed in West Africa: Ghana, Mali, Songhai and Oyo.
Then we had Ife, Bini etc. as kingdoms...

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-worldhistory/chapter/west-african-empires/

lx3as:
You've said nothing above and I don't argue with Bini revisionists with their moonlight tales. Nothing like Benin Empire because Igodomigodo people couldn't rule themselves not to talk of having an Empire. What you had was Bini Kingdom with powerful Yoruba Oba and Yoruba culture; remove that, Bini history is empty like the others to the east.

The old Bini was a city state which the coming of Yoruba Oba helped to build and now having extended land of 7 Local government areas including 2 Ovia being Occupied by Ijaws, Itsekiris, Yorubas,etc. and some Binis.
So in your dreams you expanded more than people in present hundreds of LGA in about 8 states with one unique language, great traditions, art and culture whose Binis even borrowed from and adopted. There is nothing I can teach a baby...

I will post a link of European write up about system of government in Oyo. I want you to post a link of system of government in Igodomigodo... Remove Yoruba Oba and culture, Igodomigodo is always empty without single system of government, culture or history.

I know very well that Prof George Ayittey is not a Yoruba man, you should be able to read his write up and stop the stupid ranting of primary school boy about nonexistence of Oyo or European never written about Oyo:

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Oyo_Empire

https://seunfakze./2012/02/19/the-oyo-empire-by-prof-george-ayittey/

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-worldhistory/chapter/west-african-empires/

http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h28af3-4.htm

http://www.tubmaninstitute.ca/sites/default/files/file/LAW_Oyo_texts.pdf

lx3as:
It's the other way round; there was nothing like Bini Empire but Yoruba Oba's Bini Kingdom.

Only four empires existed in West Africa: Ghana, Mali, Songhai and Oyo.
Then we had Ife, Bini etc. as kingdoms...

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-worldhistory/chapter/west-african-empires/

goalernestman:
It several maps made by different European countries at that time please go read your history Netherlands, British, France, and so on but all of it have Benin in the map but not a single of them have Oyo.

Opiletool:
Okay, we were all benin then. The yoruba o, nupe o, igala o, tiv, igbo, calabar, ijaw etc. were and still all binis. Can I rest now? Smh

goalernestman:
It a fact European destroyed Benin to colonize and amag the south to North. Nigeria began to happen after the fall of Benin in 18th century

darfay:
But okpe is urhobo na

fero007:
That's like saying isoko is urhobo, dey may be similar o, but dey recognized as diff tribes, it's just dat okpe's distinction hasn't been widely recognized like isoko's own

asamaigho:
Efe don't twist itsekiri names and meaning, EDEMA IS Does Not HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO EDO language.
ONLY PEOPLE OF ITSEKIRI,ILAJE,OWO,AND IJEBU BEAR SUCH NAMES.

AND IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE OF U TO SAY " any itsekiri wordthat has no Yoruba origin is either borrowed from Edo or urhobo".
that's an insult.

scholes0:
Will do that.

So what does Exema mean in Edo then, and how does its meaning connect to being a gentleman? The burden of proof is on the edoids, since this name exists in Three Yoruboid groups if not more, and yet no single Edo group bears Edema as a name yet you wanna claim it comes from them.

I already told you about dialectal difference already, I don’t know how else to explain it - but take this as an example.

The name Jolomi is a Yoruboid name. BUT you will only see it in Itsekiri and certain Ondo groups. Jolo (pronounced as Jorlor) is a Yoruboid word meaning beautify, replace , replenish, repair etc... but its use has a restricted grographical scape.
Now you can tell what a name like Oritsejolomi means.

Now, if I don’t see Jolo in my Yoruba dictionary- I would be very wrong to jump into a hasty conclusion by automatically assuming that it is an Edo name.

Another example will be the Igala name Onuche, Ogwuche or Onoja - these are very apecific Igala names one might even be tempted to think the first or second one is igbo- but believe me they are proper Yoruboid names that have been accented by the Yoruboid language in question (Igala). In Yoruba the first and second one would be Olushe (Master don do am) , while the second would be Ogunshe (Juju don do am). Third one would be Oloja (village owner i.e Ruler)

I hope you are getting my point sha?

asamaigho:
Efe don't twist itsekiri names and meaning, EDEMA IS Does Not HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO EDO language.
ONLY PEOPLE OF ITSEKIRI,ILAJE,OWO,AND IJEBU BEAR SUCH NAMES.

AND IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE OF U TO SAY " any itsekiri wordthat has no Yoruba origin is either borrowed from Edo or urhobo".
that's an insult.

gregyboy:
A quick fb check would have prevented this statement

asamaigho:
ordinarily i would have ignored, but i find your reference extremely funny, because its a far cry from the question.
I've seen several EBIRA,IGALA people bear musa, dat doesnt make musa an igala or ebira name?
An ijaw friend of mine has olufemi as his surname, does dat make OLUFEMI an IJAW name?
come on! i tot u should know better na.

jadelord:
I met a guy once in school, whose name is Jolomi and I naturally thought he was Itsekiri as that is my name. But got a rude awakening to learn, from him, that he was not Itsekiri but Ilaje. We talked some more and found that we had about 80% similarity dialectically.

And this got me questioning the part of history that says we are from the Bini kingdom. We don't dress alike, our language is at different opposites. And so questioning became inevitable. More so, I was born and brought plus in Lagos and have a very apt grasp of the Yoruba language to know that Itsekiri and Yoruba are similar and that chance meeting with that Ilaje guy laid it to rest that Itsekiri must have a strong link with the Yorubas.

Then I began to ask and NAIS (national association of Itsekiri students) began to reason along this line, as only the royal family's link is strongest to the Edo royal throne, as observed by their dressing and titles and royal knives (eben).. giving credence to history but ending at the palace.

Therefore, I personally have come to the conclusion that the Itsekiris are migrant fishermen who left the coastal Ilaje settlement to settle in the we are now, mixed cultures and aligned principle with our neighbours and flourished as a people.

I am Jolomi, I have a sister named Gbubemi and these are also Ilaje names.

There is a town called Igbokoda in Ondo (Ilaje town) my mom is from Gbokoda in Warri North.

So I submit that the proud people of Itsekiri are from the Ilaje tribe.

fero007:
I don't think dey r yoruba offshoots o, cuz you saw similarities btw dem n yoruba? dey are also great similarities between itsekiri and urhobo and ijaw, even edo and even Portuguese influence

jadelord:
I met a guy once in school, whose name is Jolomi and I naturally thought he was Itsekiri as that is my name. But got a rude awakening to learn, from him, that he was not Itsekiri but Ilaje. We talked some more and found that we had about 80% similarity dialectically.

And this got me questioning the part of history that says we are from the Bini kingdom. We don't dress alike, our language is at different opposites. And so questioning became inevitable. More so, I was born and brought plus in Lagos and have a very apt grasp of the Yoruba language to know that Itsekiri and Yoruba are similar and that chance meeting with that Ilaje guy laid it to rest that Itsekiri must have a strong link with the Yorubas.

Then I began to ask and NAIS (national association of Itsekiri students) began to reason along this line, as only the royal family's link is strongest to the Edo royal throne, as observed by their dressing and titles and royal knives (eben).. giving credence to history but ending at the palace.

Therefore, I personally have come to the conclusion that the Itsekiris are migrant fishermen who left the coastal Ilaje settlement to settle in the we are now, mixed cultures and aligned principle with our neighbours and flourished as a people.

I am Jolomi, I have a sister named Gbubemi and these are also Ilaje names.

There is a town called Igbokoda in Ondo (Ilaje town) my mom is from Gbokoda in Warri North.

So I submit that the proud people of Itsekiri are from the Ilaje tribe.

onuwaje:
let me clear dat notion. i have met Urhobos bearing Itsekiri names a very classic example are the Igbogidi people of Udu LGA. according to their history the founder of the town married an Itsekiri woman and gave her the privilege to name their settlement which literally translates to a land of trees tho many of the indigenes re changing their names but the truth is not that they re Itsekiri s but they bear Itsekiri names

secondly one of my Dads co worker whom i known as Temisan (Daddy Temisan) as intuition will have it its very normal to think he is from Itsekiri but he told us that he ia from Okpe LGA and that d reason why he is bearing Temisan is because his Dad had a childhood friend whom his dad insisted that he named him.


the Itsekiris have lived side by side with their neighbors until politics and colonialism brought about the current hatred. if u go through history tribes intertwined by naming their children and even themselves out of goodwill.

even Chief Festus Okotie-Eboh adopted the Itsekiris tribe as his tribe despite his Urhobo Origins so if u check names Abugewa i am sure they have Itsekiri Origins

Efewestern:
Credits:

http://ngr.ng/itsekiri-names/

haryomikun:
I swear to God itsekiri is an offshoot of Yoruba language!!!

See the similarities na... Abidemi, agbeyegbe, Toritsefe and so many more!!