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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by zhike: 2:41pm On Apr 02, 2019
Tianamen1:


Did you visit their primary and secondary schools. Our covetousness is as a result of being pennywise and pound foolish. Only quality basic education can correct this

I know their secondary and primary schools. average 25 learners per class while here in Nigeria there are lot of learners in a class.

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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by Tianamen1: 3:32pm On Apr 02, 2019
zhike:


Thanks for this information. there is no diff btw a white and black person in terms of study. what nigeria needs to do is to stop lawlessness.

There is no difference book wise. I fully agree with this but we think differently. How do we stop lawlessness without having class size to teacher ratios like in SA. El rufai boast about improving education but what is the class size to teacher ratio in Kaduna. This is why nothing works in Nigeria
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by zhike: 3:37pm On Apr 02, 2019
Tianamen1:


There is no difference book wise. I fully agree with this but we think differently. How do we stop lawlessness without having class size to teacher ratios like in SA. El rufai boast about improving education but what is the class size to teacher ratio in Kaduna. This is why nothing works in Nigeria


lol, class size depends by number of schools and teachers govt have. in south africa they have lot of schools and teachers (some of the teachers are nigerians). nigeria is struggling to build schools and pay teachers.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by zhike: 3:38pm On Apr 02, 2019
Tianamen1:


There is no difference book wise. I fully agree with this but we think differently. How do we stop lawlessness without having class size to teacher ratios like in SA. El rufai boast about improving education but what is the class size to teacher ratio in Kaduna. This is why nothing works in Nigeria


South africa is 50 yrs ahead of nigeria.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by orisa37: 3:44pm On Apr 02, 2019
Nigeria is now "A Dog of the Fulani Arabs".
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by Tianamen1: 3:47pm On Apr 02, 2019
zhike:


lol, class size depends by number of schools and teachers govt have. in south africa they have lot of schools and teachers (some of the teachers are nigerians). nigeria is struggling to build schools and pay teachers.

Yet we have over 300 MDA's filled with staff mostly doing nothing. Talk about misplaced priorities.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by Tianamen1: 3:50pm On Apr 02, 2019
zhike:


South africa is 50 yrs ahead of nigeria.

When did either country get its independence. If Nigeria does not start to focus on its basic responsibilities of providing healthcare and education, 50 years from now, SA will be 100 years ahead
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by zhike: 4:04pm On Apr 02, 2019
Tianamen1:


When did either country get its independence. If Nigeria does not start to focus on its basic responsibilities of providing healthcare and education, 50 years from now, SA will be 100 years ahead

lol 100 yrs indeed , south africa is a good example because is ran by africans like nigeria.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by zhike: 4:04pm On Apr 02, 2019
orisa37:
Nigeria is now "A Dog of the Fulani Arabs".

lol
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by orisa37: 4:07pm On Apr 02, 2019
It is like the Yorubas, the Ibos, the Ijaws, the Tivs, the Ibibios, the Idomas, the Kanuris, the Hausas etc are deaf and dumb to hearing all the cries that the Fulanis are selling you to the Sahel Region.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by zhike: 4:10pm On Apr 02, 2019
orisa37:
It is like the Yorubas, the Ibos, the Ijaws, the Tivs, the Ibibios, the Idomas, the Kanuris, the Hausas etc are deaf and dumb to hearing all the cries that the Fulanis are selling you to the Sahel Region.
lol
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by mbos: 4:15pm On Apr 02, 2019
deomelo:
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you should be among those in love with hardship and primitive erratic power supply....

GIANT without Technology?

South Africa produce Fighter Jets, vehicle, Nuclear Power Plant, Extra - terrestrial Telescope & factory production lines, machine e.t.c

Your zoo has no Technology even to explore the oil they stole from oil Communities..












Another ignorant ipob and their typical anti Nigerian ipob topics.


You Igbos wake up everyday just to lets us know how much you hate Nigeria and bore us with your ignorant and unintelligent rubbish.

Get some education first before spewing rubbish on the internet.

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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by Tianamen1: 4:38pm On Apr 02, 2019
zhike:


lol 100 yrs indeed , south africa is a good example because is ran by africans like nigeria.

Without the white people, do you think their government would have focused on primary and secondary school education?
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by orisa37: 5:23pm On Apr 02, 2019
Nigeria is jinxed under Buhari. Nigeria is on Sale to the Sahel Region. Nigeria is confused and now unenterprising.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by omohayek: 8:03pm On Apr 02, 2019
grandstar:


We humans are all the same. Stop this black man or white man comparisons.

Nigerians are the demography with the highest levels of education in the United States. Is it then true the black man does not value education.

In the U.K, the white Britona do not appreciate education that much, and don't go beyond secondary school. When my brother worked in a fast food restaurant, his co-workers were pleasantly surprised when they learned he was hoping to enter the university. They felt he should be contented with what he had already. His co-workers workers were.contented.

In the U.k, white British youths are at the bottom. Even Theresa May said as much.

In the US, there are whites who are contented with basic education. Many even drop out and don't finish.
Indeed, and Nigerians are the most highly educated group in the USA, with their incomes rising correspondingly rapidly as they integrate. I really don't understand this awful tendency some people have to put down "the black man" as if every black person on earth were the same. Worse yet is how these same people are quick to dismiss any evidence contrary to their assertions of black inferiority, even when the evidence is of the very same kind as what they latch on to criticise "the black man"; when Asian immigrants to America do well it's taken as evidence of their superior "IQ" or "morality" or whatever, but when Nigerians do even better, it's somehow irrelevant!

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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by omohayek: 8:12pm On Apr 02, 2019
Tianamen1:


Without the white people, do you think their government would have focused on primary and secondary school education?
This is rank ignorance of the worst kind: those white people you give so much credit to are the very ones responsible for black South Africans lagging so far behind educationally, thanks to the Bantu Education policy introduced by Verwoerd in 1953.
The 1953 Bantu Education Act was one of apartheid's most offensively racist laws. It brought African education under control of the government and extended apartheid to black schools. Previously, most African schools were run by missionaries with some state aid. Nelson Mandela and many other political activists had attended mission schools. But Bantu education ended the relative autonomy these schools had enjoyed up to that point. Instead, government funding of black schools became conditional on acceptance of a racially discriminatory curriculum administered by a new Department of Bantu Education. Most mission schools for Africans chose to close rather than promote apartheid in education.

Centralization of schools under a new government department was not in and of itself opposed by school administrators, parents, and students. What the African community vehemently opposed was the creation of a separate and unequal system of black education rather than a single public schooling system for all South Africans. The white government made it clear that Bantu education was designed to teach African learners to be "hewers of wood and drawers of water" for a white-run economy and society, regardless of an individual's abilities and aspirations.
This tendency to credit everything good in Africa to white people is reaching ridiculous proportions: many of the continent's problems were deliberately caused by them, from fostering "tribal" tensions in the name of "divide and rule", to discouraging African electoral participation in favor of "indirect rule" through "chiefs", to drawing borders with absolutely no consideration for pre-existing ethnic and political realities.

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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by Tianamen1: 8:43pm On Apr 02, 2019
omohayek:

This is rank ignorance of the worst kind: those white people you give so much credit to are the very ones responsible for black South Africans lagging so far behind educationally, thanks to the Bantu Education policy introduced by Verwoerd in 1953.

This tendency to credit everything good in Africa to white people is reaching ridiculous proportions: many of the continent's problems were deliberately caused by them, from fostering "tribal" tensions in the name of "divide and rule", to discouraging African electoral participation in favor of "indirect rule" through "chiefs", to drawing borders with absolutely no consideration for pre-existing ethnic and political realities.

Was it the white man that made us sell our brothers and sisters into slavery in exchange for mirrors?

Is it the white man that has made Nigeria the only oil producing nation without working refineries

Is it the white man that created so many government agencies that do nothing and consume all the funds necessary to educate our people and improve our productivity.

Is it the white man that has prevented us from providing pipe borne water to our communities.

Is it the white man who has made our government invest so much money in training doctors and engineers yet provides no enabling environment so they all move out of the country to greener pastures.

All my friends have left Nigeria. I am the only one left. I have left this miserable country twice, but some devil keeps drawing me back.

This is 2019. Nigeria has had 20 years of democracy and we have not improved in any significant way. Some may rightly say things are getting worse. PDP has had its try and APC is also having its try. If you see light at the end of this tunnel, I am happy for you. As far as I am concerned, our people remain the most ignorant people on earth and we totally lack the ability to govern ourselves. No need to blame any white man. We understand book, but that is where it ends.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by omohayek: 8:52pm On Apr 02, 2019
Tianamen1:


Was it the white man that made us sell our brothers and sisters into slavery in exchange for mirrors?

Is it the white man that has made Nigeria the only oil producing nation without working refineries

Is it the white man that created so many government agencies that do nothing and consume all the funds necessary to educate our people and improve our productivity.

Is it the white man that has prevented us from providing pipe borne water to our communities.

Is it the white man who has made our government invest so much money in training doctors and engineers yet provides no enabling environment so they all move out of the country to greener pastures.

All my friends have left Nigeria. I am the only one left. I have left this miserable country twice, but some devil keeps drawing me back.

This is 2019. Nigeria has had 20 years of democracy and we have not improved in any significant way. Some may rightly say things are getting worse. PDP has had its try and APC is also having its try. If you see light at the end of this tunnel, I am happy for you. As far as I am concerned, our people remain the most ignorant people on earth and we totally lack the ability to govern ourselves. No need to blame any white man. We understand book, but that is where it ends.
Keep wallowing in your self-hatred and let's see how far it takes you. Meanwhile, other black people are steadily making strides around the world in every field, from acting to movie-making to engineering to literature, etc., none of which would be possible if they followed you in your uncritical admiration of people who tried their hardest to set you up for failure.

Every single one of the items you list is the natural outcome of an inadequately educated populace, polarized along "tribal" lines, and voting for poorly educated leaders who don't have a clue what they're doing: this is precisely what the colonial rulers intended when they deliberately set about frustrating their African subjects desire for better educations. That you fail to realize any of this, and rush instead to blame something supposedly "innate" to "the black man", only shows that you too are a product of the third-rate educational systems Britain set up throughout its African colonies: you don't even have the minimal patience required to read the links I've provided, let alone do research of your own, and instead you content yourself with insisting on your own supposed racial inferiority.

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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by grandstar(m): 9:12pm On Apr 02, 2019
omohayek:

Indeed, and Nigerians are the most highly educated group in the USA, with their incomes rising correspondingly rapidly as they integrate. I really don't understand this awful tendency some people have to put down "the black man" as if every black person on earth were the same. Worse yet is how these same people are quick to dismiss any evidence contrary to their assertions of black inferiority, even when the evidence is of the very same kind as what they latch on to criticise "the black man"; when Asian immigrants to America do well it's taken as evidence of their superior "IQ" or "morality" or whatever, but when Nigerians do even better, it's somehow irrelevant!

So true. You can never win with them. Also, I doubt if many who hold on to these beliefs have ever left the shores of this country. That may change their views!

This reminds of an East German lady who was disappointed when she interacted with West Germans after the fall of the Wall. She expected so much and expressed her disappointed by saying, "Chic cloths, empty faces".
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by grandstar(m): 9:36pm On Apr 02, 2019
Dami12345:
We know the problem. What do you want to do about it.

My opinion is we need a bloody coup by either the oppressed citizens or military. To force the country on the right part.


Learn from the Arab Spring: Most revolutions either keep things the same or they may get worse. Why it's so is that the revolutionaries either don't have the answers or that the citizenry are not ready to accept the bitter truths.

In Egypt, are the revolutionaries ready to downsize the bloated civil service and eliminate food and energy subsidies? Are the Gulf rich Arab citizens ready to pay taxes and lose juicy government jobs?

Libya, Syria and Yemen are in worse shape and are now shitholes. The Gulf Monarchies remain in power. Egypt is back to being a dictatorship. Tunisia is now filled with terrorist. The more things change. the more they seem to stay the same.

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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by IronGalaxy: 9:38pm On Apr 02, 2019
Tianamen1:


Without the white people, do you think their government would have focused on primary and secondary school education?
just out of curiosity. why do Nigerians worship white people so much?

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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by grandstar(m): 10:10pm On Apr 02, 2019
gidgiddy:


We have had several bloody coups, it did not help

South Africa is far ahead of Nigeria

The only thing Nigeria has more than a south Africa is population

If I was to place a bet on the country that would do far better in the future, it is Nigeria.

Money covers a thousand imperfections", say the Chinese.

South Africa has a high unemployment rate, high crime rate, powerful trade unions which affects productivity, bloated civil service, many state owned companies and has been plagued with poor economic growth.for sometime now.

It's living off old glory. The greatest evidence of this is that it has the worst income distribution in the world.

It will be very difficult for South Africa to overcome it's challenges as the interest groups benefitting from them will fight tooth and nail to hold on to them

Also, some reforms will mean enriching the white minority such as privatisation and ending affirmative action. Reforms here are basically off the table.

Nigeria's basic problem now is down to one man:Buhari. Get rid of him today and any newcomer will bring about policies that will create growth of at least 6% or more per annum

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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by grandstar(m): 10:19pm On Apr 02, 2019
zhike:


I doubt they know where they are driving us to, but the problem is not the leaders.
the problem is ordinary people who voted for them.
General Nigerians are coward to stand for themselves.
See what South Africans did to Jacob Zuma, the zuma must fall campaign.

Zuma rise to power in a country as rich as South Africa in the first place shouldn't have arisen. It was the black South Africans that put him there.

If the black population reflected the $7,000 per capita income of that country, he would never have smelt power.

This is therefore testament to huge disparity of income in South Africa and how the under developed black population is holding the country back.

South Africa urgently needs reforms and I doubt whether the rich dude at the helms of affairs is ready to take it on.

He already sees reasons for labor reforms( he controls many companies) and can see first hand how rigid labour laws are holding back investment and productivity.

It was shocking during the commodity supercycle that no new mines were opened by the big foreign. mining companies despite it's massive mineral deposits. Completely a surd.

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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by Tianamen1: 10:54pm On Apr 02, 2019
IronGalaxy:
just out of curiosity. why do Nigerians worship white people so much?

How many African countries prioritize basic education the way non-African countries do? let's not focus on white people only. do we take basic education as a priority? how do we expect to grow without mass basic education? These are my issues. we only focus on roads, bridges and trains but the mass of our people remain in extreme poverty. we want western styled airports yet we have the most out of school children in the world. I only pointed out a fact. we are shallow minded and lack serious vision. if I were to be blatantly racist you would know.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by Tianamen1: 11:18pm On Apr 02, 2019
no one got the message i was trying to pass across and i am truly sorry for offending anyone personally. my simple message is that we are not able to focus of the real issues that would drive development and that for the last 50 years things have only gotten progressively worse.
As an Undergrad in a U.S. university, I was paid as a peer tutor to teach mathematics, Economics and computer science to white, black and even Asian students so even if every other black person is dull, i certainly am not. i have met many brilliant black people in my life, some truly gifted in the sciences. i have never doubted our cognitive abilities. what i doubt however is our foresight. please forgive me if this comment offends you. we are in no way inferior to any other race. goodnight and stay blessed.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by deomelo: 11:23pm On Apr 02, 2019
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highcollide:
so, on your tiny ewedu mind, a country where foreign investors are fleeing, where unemployment is at its highest, is the giant of Africa?



Typical APC zombie.
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Another ignorant ipob and their typical anti Nigerian ipob topics.


You Igbos wake up everyday just to lets us know how much you hate Nigeria and bore us with your ignorant and unintelligent rubbish.

Get some education first before spewing rubbish on the internet.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by orisa37: 5:07am On Apr 03, 2019
zhike:

lol
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All the Roads and Schools in Niger and Chad Republics are built by Buhari, Sherif, Shetima, Kwankwanso etc without permission from our NASS. AND U SAID LOL?
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by orisa37: 5:40am On Apr 03, 2019
zhike:


lol
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Is Buhari now the wisest King in Nigeria? Is he wiser than Gowon, OBJ, Danjuma, IBB, Jonathan etc or is playing "winner takes all"? Why can't he see the productivity, Unity and progress and civilization in granting full autonomy of Police, Resources and Elections Controls to the 36 Constitutional State Governments? That State Governments are better at the grassroots management and economy than F,G?
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by Dami12345: 5:58am On Apr 03, 2019
grandstar:


Learn from the Arab Spring: Most revolutions either keep things the same or they may get worse. Why it's so is that the revolutionaries either don't have the answers or that the citizenry are not ready to accept the bitter truths.

In Egypt, are the revolutionaries ready to downsize the bloated civil service and eliminate food and energy subsidies? Are the Gulf rich Arab citizens ready to pay taxes and lose juicy government jobs?

Libya, Syria and Yemen are in worse shape and are now shitholes. The Gulf Monarchies remain in power. Egypt is back to being a dictatorship. Tunisia is now filled with terrorist. The more things change. the more they seem to stay the same.

Lol. Look at evidence of change then. China , Russia, Libia before the Americans. Nobody said it would be easy.
Am sure most people want things to stay the same. They only care about having more Money. Unfortunately when its time they will understand.
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by gidgiddy: 6:44am On Apr 03, 2019
grandstar:


If I was to place a bet on the country that would do far better in the future, it is Nigeria.

Money covers a thousand imperfections", say the Chinese.

South Africa has a high unemployment rate, high crime rate, powerful trade unions which affects productivity, bloated civil service, many state owned companies and has been plagued with poor economic growth.for sometime now.

It's living off old glory. The greatest evidence of this is that it has the worst income distribution in the world.

It will be very difficult for South Africa to overcome it's challenges as the interest groups benefitting from them will fight tooth and nail to hold on to them

Also, some reforms will mean enriching the white minority such as privatisation and ending affirmative action. Reforms here are basically off the table.

Nigeria's basic problem now is down to one man:Buhari. Get rid of him today and any newcomer will bring about policies that will create growth of at least 6% or more per annum

Everything you said about South Africa applies to Nigeria too but South Africa still remains ahead. The problem of Nigeria is not only Buhari, Nigeria was already in trouble before Buhari and it will still be in trouble after him

There is no unity of purpose in Nigeria, no unifying factor, no common value system and no love for each other. The only thing that unites Nigeria is Oil. Anyone who believes that it is from this disunity that progress will emerge is dreaming
Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by grandstar(m): 7:59am On Apr 03, 2019
Tianamen1:


How many African countries prioritize basic education the way non-African countries do? let's not focus on white people only. do we take basic education as a priority? how do we expect to grow without mass basic education? These are my issues. we only focus on roads, bridges and trains but the mass of our people remain in extreme poverty. we want western styled airports yet we have the most out of school children in the world. I only pointed out a fact. we are shallow minded and lack serious vision. if I were to be blatantly racist you would know.

The Chinese say that,"money hides a thousand impetfections".
Let me add, "Poverty hides your successes".

We naturally assume that everything a rich country does is successful. That is why you see Nigerians and others fleeing to Italy, completely unaware that Italy has a high unemployment rate and the economy is basically the same size it was in 1999. It's when they get there they realise that "all that glitters is not hold"

Even America where you studied, there are many dreadful schools in the system. You have schools where half of the students drop out without finishing. .
This is despite the fact that America is the world leader in technology!

When you're a poor country, many don't see areas where you have successes. Zimbabwe education system set up by Mugabe before he turned nasty was good. Awolowo even tried with the paltry resources available. to him. I heard Kenya isn't that bad

I wish I was an educationalist so that I can list countries that are trying in respect of primary education in Africa.

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Re: Is Nigeria Still The Giant Of Africa? by zhike: 9:23am On Apr 03, 2019
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indeed, nigeria is too behind of south africa.

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