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TommyAnthem:
These arsenals in the hands of these countries is a divine way of checkmating mad Islam, just imagine a scenario where the reverse is the case i.e Islamic nations having such
arsenals at their disposal, I doubt
if you and I will be enjoying the free world we have today without coercion.

Oga, if you had engage your brain before you post ^^^^ this, it would have been better and not open your ignorant self to ridicule. Russia alone has over 50 Warheads(Nuclear Missiles) trained at New York alone. America has an equal number aimed at Moscow. This same scenario holds for all Major Cities in America and Russia. Great Britain, France, Germany all have Warheads aimed at Russia. Russia too aimed many a large number of Warheads at Cities in Europe. For your info, a Nuclear Warhead can take out a City as large as London in ONE STRIKE. Now, imagine 50 of those aimed at New York Alone. Please tell, is New York, Moscow, London, Paris, Berlin Muslims Cities?

You can confirm all that I put up here, if you are done doing that, come back here and tell the whole Nairaland who is Mad!

TommyAnthem:
Are you using this to justify killing in Islam?

If you read and comprehend at all, you will see that God Almighty commands killings for a Just Cause. Read your Bible. God commanded Moses to kill those that worship the Image of the Bull. The same way, he commanded Muhammad to fight those who fight him. This should be hard to comprehend but when you make fish of one and make meat of the other in the same situation, you only run round in circles and make ridiculous claims.

TommyAnthem:
Are you using this to justify killing in Islam?

If you read and comprehend at all, you will see that God Almighty commands killings for a Just Cause. Read your Bible. God commanded Moses to kill those that worship the Image of the Bull. The same way, He, commanded Muhammad to fight those who fight him. This should be hard to comprehend but when you make fish of one and make meat of the other in the same situation, you only run round in circles and make ridiculous claims.

TommyAnthem:
So you mean all through the genocide the Muslims remained in their houses and mosques as such no one could enter and kill them?Hope you watched the documentary very well, their most concern before killing was tribe not religion. Please give an answer to the question. Why must you kill someone of same religion but of different sect.

All thru the Genocide, the Rwandan Christian find it convenient to Kill a Hutu or Tutsi irrespective of his/her Faith(Despite sharing the Christian Faith and with effusion of the Holy Spirit) but would rather let the Muslims be because right from Childhood, the Christians have been taught/brainwashed/trained that if:
a) you enter a Mosque, you will run mad
b) if you enter a Muslim Home, you will run mad
c) if you touch the Quran, Demons will possess you.

So, he/she doesn't want all the above listed to happen to him/her, but would rather slaughter A Hutu or Tutsi who even belong to the same Church.

In 30 days, over 800,000 were slaughtered.

Do you get it now?

Maximus69:
All the nations of the earth have so much in common when it comes to worship and standards.
Only the Israelites has a totally different system.
If you want to know the reason,i will tell you and back my discovery with History,Events and Practices of all these nations.
The Bible has answers to life's most impotant questions that NO other book on this planet can dare!
If you want to try those questions i'll forward them to you now,let's see if you can adequately answer those questions.
¤Where did God create humans and for what purpose?
¤What happens to us at death?
¤Where are our dead loved ones now?
¤Why various contradicting religious ideas?
¤Who are demons?
¤Where do they come from and what do they want?
¤How can we find true happiness?

Why not create a thread and let us talk about the Points you raised ^^^^^^?

Lukuluku69:
Why not create a thread and let us talk about the Points you raised ^^^^^^?

I'm a student of the JWs! They're totally against FACELESS preaching and teaching, all they do on social media is sending warm greetings to one another across the globe as one big happy family of worshipers!
But if you want it that way,then you create a thread and let us talk about those questions. Let's see if truly God has ever given divine wisdom as in understanding to any other tribe,group,ethnic or nation apart from Israel!

Maximus69:
I'm a student of the JWs! They're totally against FACELESS preaching and teaching, all they do on social media is sending warm greetings to one another across the globe as one big happy family of worshipers!
But if you want it that way,then you create a thread and let us talk about those questions. Let's see if truly God has ever given divine wisdom as in understanding to any other tribe,group,ethnic or nation apart from Israel!

My friend, I know JW people a lot. In fact, my Family thought me lost to them way back in 1987! You need to see the Volumes of Books from them that I have consumed. As a matter of fact, I had a regular Team that frequent my Home when I was doing my A-Levels in 1988! After discussions, they usually send an older, more versed individuals to me. The discussions were always friendly, each presenting their views and we talked about it. I still read most of their Publications now and then. So, I don't think you will tell me anything new.

Holding on to Israel as the only Nation that God spoke to will not hold water with me. It is against reason, it is against Divine Mercy. But nevertheless, I will chip in with my views when necessary, opening threads is not something I fancied myself.

So, let us keep it at just saying what our views are backed by the Scriptures.

Shaloam Alaikum! (That's the proper way of saying in for that was what Jesus told his disciples on entering the Upper Room in Luke 24:36 KJV
[36] And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.)

Lukuluku69:
My friend, I know JW people a lot. In fact, my Family thought me lost to them way back in 1987! You need to see the Volumes of Books from them that I have consumed. As a matter of fact, I had a regular Team that frequent my Home when I was doing my A-Levels in 1988! After discussions, they usually send an older, more versed individuals to me. The discussions were always friendly, each presenting their views and we talked about it. I still read most of their Publications now and then. So, I don't think you will tell me anything new.

Holding on to Israel as the only Nation that God spoke to will not hold water with me. It is against reason, it is against Divine Mercy. But nevertheless, I will chip in with my views when necessary, opening threads is not something I fancied myself.

So, let us keep it at just saying what our views are backed by the Scriptures.

Shaloam Alaikum! (That's the proper way of saying in for that was what Jesus told his disciples on entering the Upper Room in Luke 24:36 KJV
[36] And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.)

So you've met my teachers already but upon all you discussed with them and keeping most of their books you've remained a Muslim. That's a sign you just want to keep the religion of your parents and like every other Muslims i know,you're looking forward to any available clues to support the religion handed over to you!
Well those questions remains my valid proof that there is no other race that God dealt with as his own people to dispense spiritual food to other nations except Israel!
You are a Yoruba man so if God didn't choose a race to talk to others,then where did you find the name Lukmon? Is that a Yoruba name?
I spoke with Guru Maharaji sometime ago and i silenced his deceptive analogy as he kept saying God is not a God of one chosen race,he claimed that God do speak to people by means of prophets from all nations,therefore it is foolishness to stick to the tradition of Israelites or Arabians. He claims to be the perfect living master God have chosen from the blacks!
My question is 'Sir, you are from Ibadan and God has chosen you to teach people his words. But why bearing an Indian title if God is not for any chosen race?
However PEACE is the objective of God's own people,whether you agree or not the fact still remains that the Arabs have deceived many people in their quest to rule the world. They try to change people's mindset regarding God's chosen race[Israel] and they're now telling people that God has now chosen Saudi Arabia in replacement of Israel! Matthew 21:43
That is the quotation they often use in supporting their mission. But the truth is Jesus was referring to a SPIRITUAL nation that will be formed out of all nation and they will surely produce that FRUIT! Micah 4:1-3
Jehovah's Witnesses has proved to be that spiritual nation,if you're one of them today you're automatically a member of that nation. That's why there is no other religious group that can speak to open-minded persons making them keep books printed by the group with interest despite knowing FULLY WELL that such a group is not in harmony with your beliefs! Isaiah 54:17

Maximus69:
So you've met my teachers already but upon all you discussed with them and keeping most of their books you've remained a Muslim. That's a sign you just want to keep the religion of your parents and like every other Muslims i know,you're looking forward to any available clues to support the religion handed over to you!
Well those questions remains my valid proof that there is no other race that God dealt with as his own people to dispense spiritual food to other nations except Israel!
You are a Yoruba man so if God didn't choose a race to talk to others,then where did you find the name Lukmon? Is that a Yoruba name?
I spoke with Guru Maharaji sometime ago and i silenced his deceptive analogy as he kept saying God is not a God of one chosen race,he claimed that God do speak to people by means of prophets from all nations,therefore it is foolishness to stick to the tradition of Israelites or Arabians. He claims to be the perfect living master God have chosen from the blacks!
My question is 'Sir, you are from Ibadan and God has chosen you to teach people his words. But why bearing an Indian title if God is not for any chosen race?
However PEACE is the objective of God's own people,whether you agree or not the fact still remains that the Arabs have deceived many people in their quest to rule the world. They try to change people's mindset regarding God's chosen race[Israel] and they're now telling people that God has now chosen Saudi Arabia in replacement of Israel! Matthew 21:43
That is the quotation they often use in supporting their mission. But the truth is Jesus was referring to a SPIRITUAL nation that will be formed out of all nation and they will surely produce that FRUIT! Micah 4:1-3
Jehovah's Witnesses has proved to be that spiritual nation,if you're one of them today you're automatically a member of that nation. That's why there is no other religious group that can speak to open-minded persons making them keep books printed by the group with interest despite knowing FULLY WELL that such a group is not in harmony with your beliefs! Isaiah 54:17

Like I said, I have been having chit-chats with Jehovah Witnesses since 1987, so there is nothing new you are going to tell me about them. What they hold true and such likes. And I am remaining a Muslim because it and Islam being my Faith because it has answered MOST of my Questions. That's why I will remain a Muslim till my Time here is done, God willing.

As to your point that I am looking for points that will validate my Islam, well I think we all do. Are we not all doing that? I have searched many Cultures, many way of lives, many belief systems, I have found out that Islam holds true and that's why I will forever Praise God's Name for counting me worthy to be a Muslims. It doesn't matter if I was born into it or not for in the world today, there are Millions of Reverts who left other Faiths and are now Muslims, perhaps God would have bestowed His Mercy upon me had I been born out of Islam.

And to your usually refrain of saying it is only in Israel that God has locked up His Mercy, I can only smile. When you study other Cultures, other belief system you will come to know that that statement is a lie. Like I said earlier, it is against reason, it against Divine Mercy to leave other Nations of the World wandering and in Darkness and forever cling to a Nation God thru the Mouths of His Prophets says are REPROBATES, STIFF-NECKS AND REJECTS!

As to the Name "Lukmon" it is spelt LUQMAN and no it is not an Arabic Name. Have you ever come across an Arab with that name before? That name came from a Wise Sage, who implored his offsprings to Worship God Alone, be good to Parents and that God will bring everything to Judgement. You can read up on him in the Quran 31: 12-20. That's where my Name comes from.

Maximus69:
So you've met my teachers already but upon all you discussed with them and keeping most of their books you've remained a Muslim. That's a sign you just want to keep the religion of your parents and like every other Muslims i know,you're looking forward to any available clues to support the religion handed over to you!
Well those questions remains my valid proof that there is no other race that God dealt with as his own people to dispense spiritual food to other nations except Israel!
You are a Yoruba man so if God didn't choose a race to talk to others,then where did you find the name Lukmon? Is that a Yoruba name?
I spoke with Guru Maharaji sometime ago and i silenced his deceptive analogy as he kept saying God is not a God of one chosen race,he claimed that God do speak to people by means of prophets from all nations,therefore it is foolishness to stick to the tradition of Israelites or Arabians. He claims to be the perfect living master God have chosen from the blacks!
My question is 'Sir, you are from Ibadan and God has chosen you to teach people his words. But why bearing an Indian title if God is not for any chosen race?
However PEACE is the objective of God's own people,whether you agree or not the fact still remains that the Arabs have deceived many people in their quest to rule the world. They try to change people's mindset regarding God's chosen race[Israel] and they're now telling people that God has now chosen Saudi Arabia in replacement of Israel! Matthew 21:43
That is the quotation they often use in supporting their mission. But the truth is Jesus was referring to a SPIRITUAL nation that will be formed out of all nation and they will surely produce that FRUIT! Micah 4:1-3
Jehovah's Witnesses has proved to be that spiritual nation,if you're one of them today you're automatically a member of that nation. That's why there is no other religious group that can speak to open-minded persons making them keep books printed by the group with interest despite knowing FULLY WELL that such a group is not in harmony with your beliefs! Isaiah 54:17

So, the Arabs have been telling the world (in your own words deceiving people!) that Israel are not God's Chosen but Saudi Arabia? Way back when I just left Secondary School in 1987, I showed Jehovah Witness people where God says Israel will be rejected by Jeremiah and also when Jesus said the Kingdom of God will be taken from Jews/House Of Israel and I asked them to whom will it now be given to, they did not answer that question till date, perhaps you can help me with the answer.

If you want the relevant verses u can supply them.

Maximus69:
So you've met my teachers already but upon all you discussed with them and keeping most of their books you've remained a Muslim. That's a sign you just want to keep the religion of your parents and like every other Muslims i know,you're looking forward to any available clues to support the religion handed over to you!
Well those questions remains my valid proof that there is no other race that God dealt with as his own people to dispense spiritual food to other nations except Israel!
You are a Yoruba man so if God didn't choose a race to talk to others,then where did you find the name Lukmon? Is that a Yoruba name?
I spoke with Guru Maharaji sometime ago and i silenced his deceptive analogy as he kept saying God is not a God of one chosen race,he claimed that God do speak to people by means of prophets from all nations,therefore it is foolishness to stick to the tradition of Israelites or Arabians. He claims to be the perfect living master God have chosen from the blacks!
My question is 'Sir, you are from Ibadan and God has chosen you to teach people his words. But why bearing an Indian title if God is not for any chosen race?
However PEACE is the objective of God's own people,whether you agree or not the fact still remains that the Arabs have deceived many people in their quest to rule the world. They try to change people's mindset regarding God's chosen race[Israel] and they're now telling people that God has now chosen Saudi Arabia in replacement of Israel! Matthew 21:43
That is the quotation they often use in supporting their mission. But the truth is Jesus was referring to a SPIRITUAL nation that will be formed out of all nation and they will surely produce that FRUIT! Micah 4:1-3
Jehovah's Witnesses has proved to be that spiritual nation,if you're one of them today you're automatically a member of that nation. That's why there is no other religious group that can speak to open-minded persons making them keep books printed by the group with interest despite knowing FULLY WELL that such a group is not in harmony with your beliefs! Isaiah 54:17

Jeremiah 6:1-30 KJV
[1] O ye children of Benjamin, gather yourselves to flee out of the midst of Jerusalem, and blow the trumpet in Tekoa, and set up a sign of fire in Beth-haccerem: for evil appeareth out of the north, and great destruction.
[2] I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman .
[3] The shepherds with their flocks shall come unto her; they shall pitch their tents against her round about; they shall feed every one in his place.
[4] Prepare ye war against her; arise, and let us go up at noon. Woe unto us! for the day goeth away, for the shadows of the evening are stretched out.
[5] Arise, and let us go by night, and let us destroy her palaces.
[6] For thus hath the Lord of hosts said, Hew ye down trees, and cast a mount against Jerusalem: this is the city to be visited; she is wholly oppression in the midst of her.
[7] As a fountain casteth out her waters, so she casteth out her wickedness: violence and spoil is heard in her; before me continually is grief and wounds. [8] Be thou instructed, O Jerusalem, lest my soul depart from thee; lest I make thee desolate, a land not inhabited. [9] Thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall throughly glean the remnant of Israel as a vine: turn back thine hand as a grapegatherer into the baskets. [10] To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the Lord is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.
[11] Therefore I am full of the fury of the Lord ; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.
[12] And their houses shall be turned unto others, with their fields and wives together: for I will stretch out my hand upon the inhabitants of the land, saith the Lord .
[13] For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
[14] They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
[15] Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the Lord .
[16] Thus saith the Lord , Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein .
[17] Also I set watchmen over you, saying , Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.
[18] Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.
[19] Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.
[20] To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me.
[21] Therefore thus saith the Lord , Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.
[22] Thus saith the Lord , Behold, a people cometh from the north country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth.
[23] They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion.
[24] We have heard the fame thereof: our hands wax feeble: anguish hath taken hold of us, and pain, as of a woman in travail.
[25] Go not forth into the field, nor walk by the way; for the sword of the enemy and fear is on every side.
[26] O daughter of my people, gird thee with sackcloth, and wallow thyself in ashes: make thee mourning, as for an only son, most bitter lamentation: for the spoiler shall suddenly come upon us.
[27] I have set thee for a tower and a fortress among my people, that thou mayest know and try their way.
[28] They are all grievous revolters, walking with slanders: they are brass and iron; they are all corrupters.
[29] The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away.
[30] Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them.

That was from the Mouth of Jeremiah their Prophet. He called them Reprobate Silver and that The LORD HATH REJECTED THEM. you want me to follow someone The Lord Rejected.

Read also, what Jesus said in Matthew 21:42-44 KJV
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

That the Kingdom of God SHALL be taken is not in question, the question you should busy yourself with is that Nation that God has given His Kingdom.

My friend, there is nothing you can tell me about the Jews/House of Israel that I don't know. When you say some people are Reprobate Silver/Coin, it means there is a change of Currency and a New Coin/Silver should be in Circulation. Who are these New Coin/Silver?

@Lukuluku
I have answered the question but you may not accept the answer,perhaps that's why JWs aren't answering it for you. There is one thing you need to know about TRUE Christians,they always lead you to the answers like Jesus did instead of answering the questions for you. If you find the answer yourself,you'll be confident to say it anywhere but if you were told then you'll only quote the one who answered it for you.
God surely condemned the nation of Isreal and i can provide several scriptures to prove that!
The new Spiritual nation is Jehovah's Witnesses today!
The fruit of faith that's been produced globally is
LOVE for God,for pure worship and for neighbours!
That is why no religion is closer in virtues to JWs!
But as regards divine wisdom, God endowed ONLY the Israelites with this until he got tired of them! Matthew 23:37

Your name Luqmon is nor Yoruba and that is a sign you've been taken unaware if you bear a name that's not from your race yet claiming God has sent prophets to your race as well! The questions are still there but let me ask you just two to answer from any other book apart from the books God gave to the children of Jacob[Israel].
¤ Where did God create us in the beginning,heaven or earth and for what purpose?
¤ Where do demons come from and what is their mission?
Please Lukuluku, try to meditate THOROUGHLY on this two because the History, Events and Practices of God's true worshipers are firmly tied to the answers!
Answer these questions with the intention,motive and love for your Quran by presenting the answers from it.
You can also present the answers from any other book, but i'll be moved if your answers comes from the Quran that Muhammad claims to be the greatest revelation from Allah!

Maximus69:
Your name Luqmon is nor Yoruba and that is a sign you've been taken unaware if you bear a name that's not from your race yet claiming God has sent prophets to your race as well! The questions are still there but let me ask you just two to answer from any other book apart from the books God gave to the children of Jacob[Israel].
¤ Where did God create us in the beginning,heaven or earth and for what purpose?
¤ Where do demons come from and what is their mission?
Please Lukuluku, try to meditate THOROUGHLY on this two because the History, Events and Practices of God's true worshipers are firmly tied to the answers!
Answer these questions with the intention,motive and love for your Quran by presenting the answers from it.
You can also present the answers from any other book, but i'll be moved if your answers comes from the Quran that Muhammad claims to be the greatest revelation from Allah!

Don't get it twisted. Bearing Luqman doesn't make taken nor as it make me forget my Yoruba Heritage. I know that's part of the stuff from Kingdom Hall. Are you saying all Witnesses bears name from their Race? I know a whole lots of Witnesses as Friends and Colleagues. They bear Names other than where they came from. So, don't get it twisted. My name is African for your info.

Now to you question.
a) I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me. Quran 51:56
God created me and you for worship purposes only and we were created here on Earth but placed in the Heavens. it was after Adam and Eve disobedience that they were sent here for a Time. “Thereof (the earth) We created you, and into it We shall return you, and from it We shall bring you out once again” Quran 20:55

b) Demons: in Islam we don't believe Angels can disobey Allah commands, but there are other beings namely the Jinns. They are made from smokeless fire and their Chief being Shaytan/Shaitan whom you guys refer to as the Devil. Like Humans they have free wills with which they can choose either to do Good or to to do Bad. So, when Shaytan called Ibless( the Bruised) in the Quran, disobey His Lord, he called on other Jinns and they obey him all saying God did not treat him well for he was made from Fire and Humans from Clay/Dust. So, there you have it your Demons.

Maximus69:
@Lukuluku
I have answered the question but you may not accept the answer,perhaps that's why JWs aren't answering it for you. There is one thing you need to know about TRUE Christians,they always lead you to the answers like Jesus did instead of answering the questions for you. If you find the answer yourself,you'll be confident to say it anywhere but if you were told then you'll only quote the one who answered it for you.
God surely condemned the nation of Isreal and i can provide several scriptures to prove that!
The new Spiritual nation is Jehovah's Witnesses today!
The fruit of faith that's been produced globally is
LOVE for God,for pure worship and for neighbours!
That is why no religion is closer in virtues to JWs!
But as regards divine wisdom, God endowed ONLY the Israelites with this until he got tired of them! Matthew 23:37

So when God got tired of them what did He do?

The New Nation is Jehovah Witness? Bros, you are my friend ooo! So, when God got tired say, some 2,000 years ago, he now replaced them with Jehovah Witnesses barely 120-150 years ago? Abi? You too check this thing nah. Jehovah did that thru Charles Taze Russel?

My friend you are talking to someone who has been having Jehova Witnesses as guest since 1987! I told you that there is nothing new you can tell me about them but you are institing on telling me some "Truth".

Jehova witness that Nation after God Rejected The House of Israel? Haaaabaaa

Lukuluku69:
So when God got tired of them what did He do?

The New Nation is Jehovah Witness? Bros, you are my friend ooo! So, when God got tired say, some 2,000 years ago, he now replaced them with Jehovah Witnesses barely 120-150 years ago? Abi? You too check this thing nah. Jehovah did that thru Charles Taze Russel?

My friend you are talking to someone who has been having Jehova Witnesses as guest since 1987! I told you that there is nothing new you can tell me about them but you are institing on telling me some "Truth".

Jehova witness that Nation after God Rejected The House of Israel? Haaaabaaa

You supposed to ask me how could that be,since it is after Jesus death that God finally abandoned the nation of Israel.
Now you are talking with emotions rather than seeking for History, Events and Practices as we both agreed upon from the onset!
First of all, Jehovah's Witnesses is the ONLY divine name God PERSONALLY gave all his TRUE worshipers! Isaiah 43:10-12 compared to Hebrews 11:4-12:1
Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between God and that new nation[Jeremiah 34:31-34] his Apostles are the foundation stones of that nation[ Revelations 21:14] and ever since then the nation has been growing in number until Babylon the great [headed by Roman Catholic Church] took them to a spiritual exile in the second century!
Jesus foretold this Events in his parable of the sower with fine seeds. Matthew 13:24-30
During the time of Charlse Taze Russel, was when God freed his people from spiritual exile[Revelations 18:4] and they started bearing that same fruit once again as the nation founded by the Chief Cornerstones Jesus Christ! Ephesians 2:20
God hid that divine name from all these counterfeit Christians until those who rightly could bear the name were well established in 1935!
Don't forget oooooo! History, Events and Practices of Jehovah's Witnesses proves that they are that Spiritual nation PRODUCING that fruit!
The way all other religious groups vilifies the JWs. Matthew 10:22 John 17:14
The undeniable love that permeates the group. John 13:34,35 17:22
Their peaceful preaching,teaching and ability to make people drop all weapons,and forgo whatever could make them kill other people. Isaiah 2:1-3
Their ability to make a happy global family of peacelovers from racist nations and their simple lifestyle are all proofs that YES! They are a new nation that is growing in the midst of a divided world!

Maximus69:
So you've met my teachers already but upon all you discussed with them and keeping most of their books you've remained a Muslim. That's a sign you just want to keep the religion of your parents and like every other Muslims i know,you're looking forward to any available clues to support the religion handed over to you!
Well those questions remains my valid proof that there is no other race that God dealt with as his own people to dispense spiritual food to other nations except Israel!
You are a Yoruba man so if God didn't choose a race to talk to others,then where did you find the name Lukmon? Is that a Yoruba name?
I spoke with Guru Maharaji sometime ago and i silenced his deceptive analogy as he kept saying God is not a God of one chosen race,he claimed that God do speak to people by means of prophets from all nations,therefore it is foolishness to stick to the tradition of Israelites or Arabians. He claims to be the perfect living master God have chosen from the blacks!
My question is 'Sir, you are from Ibadan and God has chosen you to teach people his words. But why bearing an Indian title if God is not for any chosen race?
However PEACE is the objective of God's own people,whether you agree or not the fact still remains that the Arabs have deceived many people in their quest to rule the world. They try to change people's mindset regarding God's chosen race[Israel] and they're now telling people that God has now chosen Saudi Arabia in replacement of Israel! Matthew 21:43
That is the quotation they often use in supporting their mission. But the truth is Jesus was referring to a SPIRITUAL nation that will be formed out of all nation and they will surely produce that FRUIT! Micah 4:1-3
Jehovah's Witnesses has proved to be that spiritual nation,if you're one of them today you're automatically a member of that nation. That's why there is no other religious group that can speak to open-minded persons making them keep books printed by the group with interest despite knowing FULLY WELL that such a group is not in harmony with your beliefs! Isaiah 54:17

At the Bolded, so Jehovah Witness is that Nation that was the stone that was rejected and same forming the Corner Stone?


Matthew 21:42-44 KJV
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
[43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

So, Jehovah has to wait till Charles Taze Russel was born to restore that Spiritual Nation? That's a Joke right?

Now, let me tell you what Christ meant by that Statement.

The House Of Israel has over Millennia being Priest in God's Kingdom. God's message was given to them, they walk in this Light and as often with Mankind, they backslides. God in His Mercy turn to them in Repentance. New Prophets were raised, they will walk therein but will backslides again. This continue thru the ages until the Final Prophet to that House came in the Person of Jesus. And what was their reception of him? They heckled him, misinterpreted his words, twist some, wanted him to liberate them from the yoke of a Pagan Rome.

At the end, his Mission was not to Liberate the Holy Lands from Pagan oppression but to Preach to them the coming Kingdom of God. He told them to mend their ways, forgo Traditions put up by elders but follow the True commandments of God.

Matter came to Head when he told them that the Liberator of the Holy Lands will be a Son of Ishmael. The Jews surely had it at that point and wanted him dead for blaspheming Moses who they believe wrote the Lie in Genesis about the ONLY SON of Abraham being Isaac.

So, Christ told them in Mathew 21:43 that the Kingdom Of God SHALL be taken from You(Jews/House of Israel) and given to another Nation. That Ishmael was rejected by the Jews, the Bible concoction is there for you to read from.

My friend, Jehovah did not strip the Jews of Spiritual Nourishment and give to to Charles Taze Russel. He gave it to the Arabs and by extension the Muslims.

Maximus69:
You supposed to ask me how could that be,since it is after Jesus death that God finally abandoned the nation of Israel.
Now you are talking with emotions rather than seeking for History, Events and Practices as we both agreed upon from the onset!
First of all, Jehovah's Witnesses is the ONLY divine name God PERSONALLY gave all his TRUE worshipers! Isaiah 43:10-12 compared to Hebrews 11:4-12:1
Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant between God and that new nation[Jeremiah 34:31-34] his Apostles are the foundation stones of that nation[ Revelations 21:14] and ever since then the nation has been growing in number until Babylon the great [headed by Roman Catholic Church] took them to a spiritual exile in the second century!
Jesus foretold this Events in his parable of the sower with fine seeds. Matthew 13:24-30
During the time of Charlse Taze Russel, was when God freed his people from spiritual exile[Revelations 18:4] and they started bearing that same fruit once again as the nation founded by the Chief Cornerstones Jesus Christ! Ephesians 2:20
God hid that divine name from all these counterfeit Christians until those who rightly could bear the name were well established in 1935!
Don't forget oooooo! History, Events and Practices of Jehovah's Witnesses proves that they are that Spiritual nation PRODUCING that fruit!
The way all other religious groups vilifies the JWs. Matthew 10:22 John 17:14
The undeniable love that permeates the group. John 13:34,35 17:22
Their peaceful preaching,teaching and ability to make people drop all weapons,and forgo whatever could make them kill other people. Isaiah 2:1-3
Their ability to make a happy global family of peacelovers from racist nations and their simple lifestyle are all proofs that YES! They are a new nation that is growing in the midst of a divided world!

My friend you have believed a lie. A big fat lie at that. God hid the Name Jehovah Witness till 1935? No wonder you guys kept shifting the date the end of the World would come. Please don't let us go into that, it will make you ridiculous. That I promise you! What Fruit are Jehovah Witnesses producing? Do you worship they way Jesus worship, the way Abraham, Moses worship? What are the Laws with which you want to govern a Nation?

My friend don't let us go into that please.

Lukuluku69:
Don't get it twisted. Bearing Luqman doesn't make taken nor as it make me forget my Yoruba Heritage. I know that's part of the stuff from Kingdom Hall. Are you saying all Witnesses bears name from their Race? I know a whole lots of Witnesses as Friends and Colleagues. They bear Names other than where they came from. So, don't get it twisted. My name is African for your info.

Now to you question.
a) I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me. Quran 51:56
God created me and you for worship purposes only and we were created here on Earth but placed in the Heavens. it was after Adam and Eve disobedience that they were sent here for a Time. “Thereof (the earth) We created you, and into it We shall return you, and from it We shall bring you out once again” Quran 20:55

b) Demons: in Islam we don't believe Angels can disobey Allah commands, but there are other beings namely the Jinns. They are made from smokeless fire and their Chief being Shaytan/Shaitan whom you guys refer to as the Devil. Like Humans they have free wills with which they can choose either to do Good or to to do Bad. So, when Shaytan called Ibless( the Bruised) in the Quran, disobey His Lord, he called on other Jinns and they obey him all saying God did not treat him well for he was made from Fire and Humans from Clay/Dust. So, there you have it your Demons.

Jehovah's Witnesses strongly believe that God has a chosen nation before they were condemned so JWs do bear names of faithful Israelites! Yours totally differs from them because you calimed God has NO special nation yet you're bearing Luqmon a name not from your race, WHY?
Your Quran said God created Satan and Jinns from smokeless fire to serve him but they've got freewill like humans,so they can choose whether or not to serve God.
He created humans in heaven but from earth dust and sent them out of heaven to stay here for some time so that they can return to heaven again.
So after creating them, what was his intention if they chose not to serve him as he purposed?

Maximus69:
Jehovah's Witnesses strongly believe that God has a chosen nation before they were condemned so JWs do bear names of faithful Israelites! Yours totally differs from them because you calimed God has NO special nation yet you're bearing Luqmon a name not from your race, WHY?
Your Quran said God created Satan and Jinns from smokeless fire to serve him but they've got freewill like humans,so they can choose whether or not to serve God.
He created humans in heaven but from earth dust and sent them out of heaven to stay here for some time so that they can return to heaven again.
So after creating them, what was his intention if they chose not to serve him as he purposed?

God created us all. He choose a Nation as a Model for all others to follow. That Nation backslides countless time and God switch that Spiritual Guidance to another Nation from the Abrahamic Tree. You believe in the Bible while I hold the Quran. Until we have a common ground we will not get to the bottom of this matter. In the pile of chaff that the Bible is, there is still some good grains that is good for consumption.

Yes, the Quran says God created Man from Clay, Jinn from Smokeless Fire and the Angels from Light, do you have contrary views backed by Scriptures? If so, present it.

If you choose not to worship God Your Creator, he punishes you. I know, you guys don't believe in Hell Fire, but I will leave you with Jesus Words in Matthew 5:22 KJV
[22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Lukuluku69:
My friend you have believed a lie. A big fat lie at that. God hid the Name Jehovah Witness till 1935? No wonder you guys kept shifting the date the end of the World would come. Please don't let us go into that, it will make you ridiculous. That I promise you! What Fruit are Jehovah Witnesses producing? Do you worship they way Jesus worship, the way Abraham, Moses worship? What are the Laws with which you want to govern a Nation?

My friend don't let us go into that please.

HISTORY ~ EVENTS ~ PRACTICES
I hope you've not forgotten those three things!
You're free to speak your mind Sir, we are trying to iron out in what way and where we ought to worship the one and only true God? So feel free to express yourself!
Shall we now go into the issue of DATES?
First of all, worship has a deeper meaning than what the Arabs are propagating. God never demanded any knid of gesture as a must for worshipers. From Abel till Joseph all WORSHIPED God and there was no record unless their obedience and good conscience,so don't concentrate on the 'Salat' that Arabs fabricated from different cultures!
Worship means loyally obeying instruction given by someone!
As for the laws governing the spiritual nation, you can deduce that from the HISTORY EVENTS and PRACTICES of Jehovah's Witnesses today!
God's said he will right the laws IN THEIR HEARTS! Jeremiah 31:31-34
So looking at Jehovah's Witnesses you too know that they all have LOVE for their God,as they will keep to the principle anywhere they find themselves!

Lukuluku69:
God created us all. He choose a Nation as a Model for all others to follow. That Nation backslides countless time and God switch that Spiritual Guidance to another Nation from the Abrahamic Tree. You believe in the Bible while I hold the Quran. Until we have a common ground we will not get to the bottom of this matter. In the pile of chaff that the Bible is, there is still some good grains that is good for consumption.

Yes, the Quran says God created Man from Clay, Jinn from Smokeless Fire and the Angels from Light, do you have contrary views backed by Scriptures? If so, present it.

If you choose not to worship God Your Creator, he punishes you. I know, you guys don't believe in Hell Fire, but I will leave you with Jesus Words in Matthew 5:22 KJV
[22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

The doctrine of hellfire was a misconception of the Catholic church! Muhammad and other religions born out of Roman Catholic Church hangs on that same teaching. You know that Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in Hellfire yet you like listening to them! Haaabaaa Luqmon!
Well don't forget Jesus' words because if not the TRUTH there is no way a group could have influence you so much that you regard them with high esteem!
Even though they're opposed to the general conception of all other religious groups! John 8:32
So it's either you make a thorough research on the Hellfire issue to ascertain the TRUTH or remain in the midst of all those expecting God to torment his enemies forever. But as for truthseekers like Maximus,nothing as in NOTHING stops me from making changes if i discover TRUTH!

@Lukuluku
The truth could be likened to a warfare between the forces of light[God] and darkness[Satan]
So whoever feels hurt during a discuss like this is not worshiping the true God! Hebrew 4:12
Please feel free to say your mind because neither you nor i came from Israel or Saudi Arabia! Therefore we should feel free to say whatever comes to our hearts about any religious group,unless if your conscience is telling 'you're speaking against the truth!'

Maximus69:
The doctrine of hellfire was a misconception of the Catholic church! Muhammad and other religions born out of Roman Catholic Church hangs on that same teaching. You know that Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in Hellfire yet you like listening to them! Haaabaaa Luqmon!
Well don't forget Jesus' words because if not the TRUTH there is no way a group could have influence you so much that you regard them with high esteem!
Even though they're opposed to the general conception of all other religious groups! John 8:32
So it's either you make a thorough research on the Hellfire issue to ascertain the TRUTH or remain in the midst of all those expecting God to torment his enemies forever. But as for truthseekers like Maximus,nothing as in NOTHING stops me from making changes if i discover TRUTH!

The Doctrine of Hellfire was a misconception of Catholic Church? Well, I got news for you, the Zoroastrian Faith which predates the Roman Catholic teaches Hellfire too? Do they copy it from the Roman Catholic Faith too? Zoroastrianism predates Christianity by at least Six Centuries! So, who inspires that teaching? In Their Faith the place is called Jahanam. The same can be found in the Egyptians Religion. So, my friend the Jehovah Witness got that wrong. And I listened to JW as any other Faith peddlers not because of any High Esteem but out of respect and nothing more. And don't get it twisted Jehovah Witness never inspired anything in him. My inspiration comes from the Quran.

If you are a sincere seeker after truth why not let us examine the Book you have been carrying all along using your EVENT, HISTORY AND PRACTICES?

Maximus69:
HISTORY ~ EVENTS ~ PRACTICES
I hope you've not forgotten those three things!
You're free to speak your mind Sir, we are trying to iron out in what way and where we ought to worship the one and only true God? So feel free to express yourself!
Shall we now go into the issue of DATES?
First of all, worship has a deeper meaning than what the Arabs are propagating. God never demanded any knid of gesture as a must for worshipers. From Abel till Joseph all WORSHIPED God and there was no record unless their obedience and good conscience,so don't concentrate on the 'Salat' that Arabs fabricated from different cultures!
Worship means loyally obeying instruction given by someone!
As for the laws governing the spiritual nation, you can deduce that from the HISTORY EVENTS and PRACTICES of Jehovah's Witnesses today!
God's said he will right the laws IN THEIR HEARTS! Jeremiah 31:31-34
So looking at Jehovah's Witnesses you too know that they all have LOVE for their God,as they will keep to the principle anywhere they find themselves!

So, worship has morphed into Love? Really? As regards Salat which you claimed was fabricated by Arabs from different Cultures well, like I told you before, Abraham was the Father of Eight Sons and each and everyone has a right to his story. Listening to one and discarding the remaining seven smirks of bigotry, bias and close-mindedness.
Coming to the Salat, please tell me what these Israelites were doing or at least give a name to what they seems to be doing.
2 Chronicles 20:18 KJV
[18] And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the Lord , worshipping the Lord .

Job 1:20 KJV
[20] Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,

Exodus 4:31 KJV
[31] And the people believed: and when they heard that the Lord had visited the children of Israel, and that he had looked upon their affliction, then they bowed their heads and worshipped.

Exodus 34:8 KJV
[8] And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.

Matthew 26:39 KJV
[39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt .

Matthew 26:39 KJV
[39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt .

So, what are the guys doing "slamming" their Heads on the Floor as some Nairalanders would have us believe?

If you as JW truly love your God, you would follow in the examples of these Israelites.

Lukuluku69:
The Doctrine of Hellfire was a misconception of Catholic Church? Well, I got news for you, the Zoroastrian Faith which predates the Roman Catholic teaches Hellfire too? Do they copy it from the Roman Catholic Faith too? Zoroastrianism predates Christianity by at least Six Centuries! So, who inspires that teaching? In Their Faith the place is called Jahanam. The same can be found in the Egyptians Religion. So, my friend the Jehovah Witness got that wrong. And I listened to JW as any other Faith peddlers not because of any High Esteem but out of respect and nothing more. And don't get it twisted Jehovah Witness never inspired anything in him. My inspiration comes from the Quran.

If you are a sincere seeker after truth why not let us examine the Book you have been carrying all along using your EVENT, HISTORY AND PRACTICES?

Truthfully speaking all these people got their ideas from the same source and they copied from one another, ONLY the Israelites had nothing as such until the Catholics who can't understand the Bible joined other religions on the idea.
What the Bible ever teaches is that the dead are conscious of NOTHING! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Maximus69:
Truthfully speaking all these people got their ideas from the same source and they copied from one another, ONLY the Israelites had nothing as such until the Catholics who can't understand the Bible joined other religions on the idea.
What the Bible ever teaches is that the dead are conscious of NOTHING! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

You see your arrogance and ignorance? The fact that A says it, and B corroborates it doesn't mean, they copied from each other, it simply means the Same God that inspired it in A has done the same in B. please note that the Nations guards the Truth Jealously from each other. Until you wean yourself from the Israel centric mind set, you won't see the Truth that you seek.

I told you read and read. Download Books, they are all over the Internet.

If you want some names, I will gladly suggest to you.

Lukuluku69:
So, worship has morphed into Love? Really? As regards Salat which you claimed was fabricated by Arabs from different Cultures well, like I told you before, Abraham was the Father of Eight Sons and each and everyone has a right to his story. Listening to one and discarding the remaining seven smirks of bigotry, bias and close-mindedness.
Coming to the Salat, please tell me what these Israelites were doing or at least give a name to what they seems to be doing.
2 Chronicles 20:18 KJV
[18] And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the Lord , worshipping the Lord .

Job 1:20 KJV
[20] Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,

Exodus 4:31 KJV
[31] And the people believed: and when they heard that the Lord had visited the children of Israel, and that he had looked upon their affliction, then they bowed their heads and worshipped.

Exodus 34:8 KJV
[8] And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.

Matthew 26:39 KJV
[39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt .

Matthew 26:39 KJV
[39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt .

So, what are the guys doing "slamming" their Heads on the Floor as some Nairalanders would have us believe?

If you as JW truly love your God, you would follow in the examples of these Israelites.

As you've known, all their bowing has nothing to do with virtue so God condemned them with their hypocritical bowing that's of NO benefits!
You can never see JWs bowing down but the Love for our God, pure worship and neighbours is paramount. That's why we're able to reach hearts NOT just some dogmatic posture of worship but something that's from the heart! Habakkuk 2:4 Romans 1:17

Maximus69:
As you've known, all their bowing has nothing to do with virtue so God condemned them with their hypocritical bowing that's of NO benefits!
You can never see JWs bowing down but the Love for our God, pure worship and neighbours is paramount. That's why we're able to reach hearts NOT just some dogmatic posture of worship but something that's from the heart! Habakkuk 2:4 Romans 1:17

Moses gave hypocritical bowing? Same for Joshua? Isaiah? Job? You can see clearly that this JW is a fraud? Even Jesus bowed at Gethsmane! !

Maximus69:
As you've known, all their bowing has nothing to do with virtue so God condemned them with their hypocritical bowing that's of NO benefits!
You can never see JWs bowing down but the Love for our God, pure worship and neighbours is paramount. That's why we're able to reach hearts NOT just some dogmatic posture of worship but something that's from the heart! Habakkuk 2:4 Romans 1:17

Moses and Jesus bowing had nothing to do with virtue??

Maximus69:
As you've known, all their bowing has nothing to do with virtue so God condemned them with their hypocritical bowing that's of NO benefits!
You can never see JWs bowing down but the Love for our God, pure worship and neighbours is paramount. That's why we're able to reach hearts NOT just some dogmatic posture of worship but something that's from the heart! Habakkuk 2:4 Romans 1:17

Matthew 26:38-39 KJV
[38] Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
[39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt .


Mark 14:32-36 KJV
[32] And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane: and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray.
[33] And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy;
[34] And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
[35] And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
[36] And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

So, Jesus too was being dogmatic in the verses above?

Psalm 95:6: “O’ come, let us worship and bow down, let us kneel before the Lord our maker.”

David was talking about what here?

Numbers 20:6: “ And they (Moses and Aaron) fell upon their faces and the glory of the Lord appeared upon them.” Genesis 17:3: “And Abram fell on his face and God talked with him saying.

And Moses delights in rubbing his face in ground while too fell under anointing oil or what?


Joshua 5:14: “And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship.” I Kings

I Kings 18:42: “And Elijah went up to the top of Carmel; and he cast himself down upon the earth and put his face between his knees.”

Elijah nko?

Maximus69, please enter your closet, try and repeat or initiate the posture explain/describe above and picture in your mind what you term what the Arabs copied from other Culture and come here and tell us what you think. Does this not fall under your criteria PRACTICES for verifying your TRUTH?

k4kenny:
Moses and Jesus bowing had nothing to do with virtue??

My brother, O su mi oo.(I am fed up with oo) Moses bowed to His Lord, Abraham bowed to His Lord, Isaiah bowed, David wrote that we should bow, Jesus bowed to His Lord, yet a JW Student says "it is a dogmatic posture without virtue"

But we must not relent, perchance they see the Light and mend their ways.