₦airaland Forum

nijabazaar:
Mr, I am not a tribalist. Defending an assault on a revered figure in Igboland such as Chinua Achebe does not make me a Tribalist.

That I am not a fan of Mr Buhari when every other person is, doe not make me a Bigot. I am a big fan of Obasanjo and Yardua. till date OBJ remains my best presido.

go via my posts before calling me a bigot.

Dont get me angry this mid morning. I am ready to spit venom

FortuneDeGreat:
Listen, if you must know, since the inception of this democratic era, SW has ruled for 8years and SE totally supported them, SS has gained over 5years too and SE was fully instrumental, high time the two regions return the favor, SS I know will willingly oblige, SW? I'm not quite sure. Now where emanates thread of southern disunity and lack of equity? Answer if you're sincere.

History is good but negative ones don't help rather it aids further instability.

olas24u:
The Midwest. Was not part of the war,and ojukwu sent soliders to capture the place ,he insisted on making major okonkwo a colonel the governor ,instead of a citizen of of midwest.secondly ,people in the Midwest region were not recruited into the biafran army but you wanted them has biafrans.thirdly you claim Lagos is no mansland..lastly opara was made premier instead of eyo yita because eyo yita was not igbo.

Iamgrey5:
But your tribesmen always attack all the past heroes of the Yorubas too

From Awolowo to Wole Soyinka and the rest of them. So don't be annoyed that the tables have turned now.

FortuneDeGreat:
You see, you keep repeating history that wouldn't help your present existence, if we must talk of the civil war then we must start from the beginning, the very cause of it.

But discussing the cause, who was wrong or right wouldn't help issues at presence, Ojukwu, Awolowo, Achebe etc are all dead, also most of the major actors in the war. If you must present anything acceptable here it must be a contemporary issues and not dead history.

If the Midwest wasn't involved in the war why then did the Nigerian authority used their soldiers to prosecute the war? Why then did the Nigerian troops massacred Midwesterners because of their Igbo origin?

Clarity and fact will always elude you if you always view things from tribalistic perspective. If you're biased and not neutral.

FortuneDeGreat:
You see, you keep repeating history that wouldn't help your present existence, if we must talk of the civil war then we must start from the beginning, the very cause of it.

But discussing the cause, who was wrong or right wouldn't help issues at presence, Ojukwu, Awolowo, Achebe etc are all dead, also most of the major actors in the war. If you must present anything acceptable here it must be a contemporary issues and not dead history.
The igbo youths have been so damaged,they cannot make friends to end and unite.
If the Midwest wasn't involved in the war why then did the Nigerian authority used their soldiers to prosecute the war? Why then did the Nigerian troops massacred Midwesterners because of their Igbo origin?

Clarity and fact will always elude you if you always view things from tribalistic perspective. If you're biased and not neutral.

nijabazaar:
why did you quote me

why would you include me as a poster boy of tribalism.....


Yes, most of my tribes people are tribalists but then your own tribes people have them aplenty.
DONT EVER CALL ME A BIGOT AGAIN


And i dont like Buhari, i am entitled to that preference too!

olas24u:
It was a springboard into the west ,major ejoor was neutral,until ojukwu came for him.They were loyal to Nigerians state ,and all the people that supported the biafrans were brought and shot by murtala Muhammad led battalion

nku5:
Which one be "high witness"? Lol

1 Awolowo used old man sense on Ojukwu then went to be carrying bag for gowon. He used Igbos to settle his quarrel with the FG

2. Awolowo/Gowon used policy of hunger as a weapon of was and millions of Igbo children starved to death

3. After the war Awolowo introduced indigenisation policy that favoured yorubas and paid £20 to Igbos whether or not the person had millions in the bank

Abeg which lie did Achebe tell?

Iamgrey5:
For five years S/S ruled Nigeria, did the south west support them at all?

Did South East support Abiola and Yorubas of the past to win election?

FYI, Obansojo was not Yoruba's choice, Olufalaye was our choice. if Yorubas were to support Rochas today, will Igbos see it as their choice.

Who was the first region to form alliance with the North?

Answer those questions without your hidden bais and let the truth set you free

olas24u:
The Midwest. Was not part of the war,and ojukwu sent soliders to capture the place ,he insisted on making major okonkwo a colonel the governor ,instead of a citizen of of midwest.secondly ,people in the Midwest region were not recruited into the biafran army but you wanted them has biafrans.thirdly you claim Lagos is no mansland..lastly opara was made premier instead of eyo yita because eyo yita was not igbo.

FortuneDeGreat:
Good you come up with those questions and I'll tackle them one by one but before doing that, I want to assure you that my answers will be void of personal or tribal sentiment and in the same vein I'd like you to always render your own answers.
#1, In 2011, the SW gave GEJ their majority vote but not up to 80% that would adjudged to be a block vote, it was the usual neither here nor there that has been an intrinsic character of SW's vote pattern in recent times.

#2, The SE for the first time was highly divided in vote distribution during 1993 presidential election owing to two glaring issues: A, Abiola was the most capable and by far the better candidate, therefore most voters from SE keyed into this factor and voted for him.
. B, The inequitable distribution of the two most powerful positions in Nigeria laced with Islamic coloration made many people not to believe in Abiola's agenda, Abiola and Babagana Kingibe were Muslims.
Even with that, Abiola garnered above 40% of SE votes.

#3, Obasanjo not being SW choice did not change the fact that he is from the SW, whichever way the tide would've swiped it would have favored your region. If Igbo be allowed to present two candidates just like Yoruba did and it happens that rochas is one of them, no doubt the Igbos will not vote him just as the Yoruba didn't vote obj but even at that if he emerges the winner, Igbos won't deny him being our brother neither will the Igbos deny the Yoruba of supporting their brother.

#4, Finally, forming alliance is basically a political strategy knowing full well that one wouldn't achieve political success without spreading one's political tentacles therefore it has never been an issue. SW aligned with the NW and they rigged their way in using the power of incumbent whereas the SE aligned with the NE by supporting Atiku but unfortunately they were shortchanged. It a normal political strategy and it's never an offence.

olas24u:
Sorry,I meant eye witness ,on the issues you have raised.awolowo was in jail for 10years,to create unity in the country during the war he released him from prision and he became the finance minister.He discouraged Victor banjo from coming to the west.
Policy of hunger:Food and humanitarian aid were being delivered,but the soliders of baifra were feeding fat on the supplies and storing the food to entice recruits,it was attractive to be in the army and have food to eat.
20pounds: awolowo was the finance minister and the cbn in Benin was invaded and looted by the baifran army,so the currency changed ,so that they could not use the money to procure weapons.ibos claims of money was false and they were told to write names and amount.yhe total money was more than the reserve of Nigeria,.so they reached a decision to pay everybody.

FortuneDeGreat:
Lol, who released Awolowo from the prison? What was the condition and who reneged?

Why did Gowon offer Awolowo the ministerial position, what was the reason?

I want you to be giving me straight answers.

Iamgrey5:
You this hypocritical man

1) Yorubas gave Gej 80℅ of their vote as only Osun voted for Apc
Lagos
Oyo
Ogun
Ekiti
Ondo

All voted for Gej with a wide margin of victory
Nuhu Ribadu only managed to edge Osun state

2) Not a single South East state voted for Abiola as you all queue up behind Tofa. Tofa was an Hausa Fulani man from Kano. Still, as God will have it Tofa lost his own state of Kano to the same Abiola. Igbos didn't not contribute anything to Abiola's stolen Mandate. Abiola never got up to 30℅ of Igbo votes. whereas, in 2019 one state in the south west voted for Atiku/Obi which was Ondo state and in 2015 one state voted for Jonathan which was Ekiti


3) Yorubas never denied that Obj was our brother, we only said you didn't do us any favors by voting him for him


4) Your last paragraph showed how shallow you truly are. As long as you fail to see that Buhari won the last elections because of his respect and love up north. You cannot claim to an unbais political analysis. You are as bais as they get.

FortuneDeGreat:
By virtue of calculation, the whole SW states can deliver their majority votes to a candidate and at the end wouldn't mass up to 80%, fact or not? And that was the case of 2011 election in the SW, go and verify before making mistakes in the public.


Abiola won his elections in Anambra and the SE gave him more than 40% of their votes, again a refer you to your reference books, verify thoroughly.

Finally it's very clear to even a lunatic, audible to the deaf and visible to the blind that APC rigged the last general elections.

You can keep decieving yourself.

Iamgrey5:
What nonsense are you talking about self?

When did Southwest started 50/50 votes anyway?. South West started voting 50/50 when two strong political forces arrived the scene, before then Southwest gave 70 to 80 ℅ to one party at the national level. And it is mostly PDP after the marriage between AD and ANP was ended. of course, we don't give 98℅ to a party like your region, it is basically undemocratic for a political party to win 98℅ of votes in one region.


Secondly, oh I forgot Abiola won Anambra by an odd 3℅ or so, but only the South East and Rivers voted for Tofa in the whole of the South. Still, we did shout betrayal bla bla bla. They hate us bla bla bla . We stuck to our values and fought for recognition without demonizing any tribe.

Thirdly, Like I said earlier, the fact that you continue make false statement about the election results without any reasonable evidence shows your true nature. You should bring out reasonable evidence to back your statements next time.

FortuneDeGreat:
Lol, you see, you keep on going back and forth, forgetting and remembering, you have nothing to offer therefore as far as I'm concerned, you're a closed chapter cos I don't engage a confused people in an argument. BYE!

olas24u:
Gowon did that ,and gowon made him a finance minister.Gowon promised to return the country yo civilian rule.

Iamgrey5:
You are the confused one

1) You claimed Yorubas betrayed southern unity, which was totally rebuffed with substantial evidence

2) You said you gave 40℅ of your votes to Abiola , which was disputed

3) You said South West didn't give Jonathan uo to 80℅ of votes in 2011 which was disputed

4) You claimed Buhari rigged the election without any substantial evidence.

Continue pretending on the pages of nairaland to be what you are not

The person calling his follow Igbo Efulefu because of common disagreements.

FortuneDeGreat:
Hahaha, lol, look at who's digging up history whereas she knows zilch, oh how pathetic!

Let me bother myself a little to elucidate you, Awolowo was serving a jail term in Calabar prison when Ojukwu declared the republic of Biafra, he released all political prisoners in the eastern region (Brafia territory) including Awo on the agreement of declaring the western region an independent entity once he got home but guess what happened? He bluntly reneged on the agreement for paltry ministerial appointment and the promise of making him Nigeria's president,.

What a sabotage! Well he's even regretting that decision in the grave till today, he was never given the presidency as promised by the north and he died as a result of northern persecution. What an irony and tragedy!

Go investigate well before coming out to the public to have a shambolic display of ignorance.

olas24u:
Well ,gbos like dominace, oppression,and that was why they plotted a coup and told azikiwe to excape ,they killed all northern and western politicans and igbo politicans survived.

FortuneDeGreat:
They killed all? Girl be intuitively guided, those plotters, I mean the majority of them were from where?

Iamgrey5:
Stop twisting history,

80℅ of the coup plotters were Igbos

FortuneDeGreat:
I am done with you, stop quoting me, go on with your ignorance and stare clear my chat with someone else. I don't deal with lunatic base men like you.

FortuneDeGreat:
They killed all? Girl be intuitively guided, those plotters, I mean the majority of them were from where?