Trike:
It is embarrassing that you dont know the true answer yourself. You say elsewhere that you may fail in university because you dont know the answer to a non-question, your problems are obviously self explanatory.

Martinez39, you take pride in burdening other with useless drivel as is evidenced below. You are a perfect example of how cheap education weaken the mind.
https://www.nairaland.com/5095858/need-question-urgent#76938122

You haven't answered my question. What is the simple cure for AIDS and cancer? You said that the wise doctors are overlooking something simple for something complex.

Martinez39:
So what's the simple cure to AIDS and cancer?

What is wrong with your investigative logic ?
Why dont you know that Cannabis is is a much more effect cancer cure than highly poisonous fake Chemo-therapy.


A 5 Year Old was facing leg amputation at the hip as a result of complications from radiation. . After treatment with oil the parents said, Oh My God, cannabis medicine is so amazing..

"My 5 yr old granddaughter went through highly poisonous chemotherapy (photon radiation) for 13 months. Then Chemo caused radiation damage to the bone, being brittle (fracture won't heal) - they want to amputate from the hip down. I read an article about Tel Aviv University, where Cannabis CBD oil was used strengthens bone damage."

The mother found a doctor that recommended medical marijuana for the condition. The oil was high both in Cannabis CBD and THC. After 4 weeks on the oil, mom reports;

“Omg. The fracture healed. She is still weak above knee and the growth plate is not good, but the doctor was shocked. I never told the doctor about the CBD. And the healing continues. I am crying, I'm so happy. I tell you once again CANNABIS KILLS, CANCER.CANNABIS HEALS!!"

Why are patients so afraid of their doctors?

Martinez39:
You haven't answered my question. What is the simple cure for AIDS and cancer? You said that the wise doctors are overlooking something simple for something complex.

You are already twisting my words. I never called doctors wise. Education is not wisdom. My research proves that doctors are merciless. they are high class robbers of perfect health once a patient falls into their trap.

You are deluded to think of doctors as wise. I think you have answered your own question on this vital topic. It should spur you on to do proper investigations and stop copying and pasting the ignorance you paid for.

MuttleyLaff:
You brought up first, the issue about brain now, I only advanced on you introducing it, like noticing that animals have brains, but they dont entertain, harbour and/or foster the hate for God you have. Or do you love God, huh?

Brought what first? U obviously missed the point of my brain analogy that's why u are bringing animal brain into it. How can u even compare animal brain with humans just because I said God gave humans brain and not expect them to point out inconsistencies in his dealings?
Does animal brain even have half capabilities of human brain? U guys are just ridiculous.

Your problem is you have all the ready made answers to everything under the sun concerning God but dont understand diddly squat and so you keep on doing the paralogism, in addition to being truculent just for the sake and sound of it.

Lol... Unfortunately u don't even sound like someone who understand the God u created.

frank317, no one is taking the glory when man gets things right after many trial and error, have you forgotten Genesis 3:19, to the effect saying "man will have to work hard and sweat to make things happen", huh?

This is why I say u guys are double mouthed. We have Christians thanking God and giving testimonies after recovering from illness even after being treated in the hospital by man.
Even all the human efforts in Nigeria, during the Ebola epidemic, to reduce the effect got a lot of u all thanking God and giving him the glory.
How is he not taking the glory again?

Life is like a bucket of pearls mixed in with a lot of worthless pebbles. So the onus rests on you to sift through a lot of stuff, pick things up, look at what you've picked up and when you stumble on pearls, then to dust them down, wipe and brush them up, until they bring out the shine, the luster, the sparkle and the light in them to illuminate you and what's around you

Glad u know this...keep it up man. Don't allow religion spoil this mindset. God has not thing to with our life and this quote says it all. We determine our destiny. Thanks.

frank317, please never believe in the existence of God because you have to. The only reason you should believe in God, is because you freewill want to and most importantly, because it is the right and wise thing to do. OK?

Lol...the only reason I should believe in the existence of God is when I can say beyond reasonable doubt that God exists... For I am almost certain he does not exist.

Odiegwu!. Fair dos but you really are biased and not being fair in your observation though

How?

Trike:
You are already twisting my words. I never called doctors wise. Education is not wisdom. My research proves that doctors are merciless. they are high class robbers of perfect health once a patient falls into their trap.

You are deluded to think of doctors as wise. I think you have answered your own question on this vital topic. It should spur you on to do proper investigations and stop copying and pasting the ignorance you paid for.

Okay fine, doctors are not wise. What's the simple cure to AIDS and cancer?

frank317:
Brought what first? U obviously missed the point of my brain analogy that's why u are bringing animal brain into it. How can u even compare animal brain with humans just because I said God gave humans brain and not expect them to point out inconsistencies in his dealings?
Does animal brain even have half capabilities of human brain? U guys are just ridiculous.

I dont see any brain analogy you made in your post the last two pages past

frank317, I said you brought up first, the issue about brain now, and that I only advanced on you introducing it first, like me noticing that animals dont even have half capabilities of human brain yet they dont entertain, harbour and/or foster the hate for God, like you have. Or do you want to say, you love God, huh?

frank317:
Lol... Unfortunately u don't even sound like someone who understand the God u created.

Those who dance like me, are considered insane by those like you, who can't hear the music nor understand the beat

frank317:
This is why I say u guys are double mouthed. We have Christians thanking God and giving testimonies after recovering from illness even after being treated in the hospital by man.
Even all the human efforts in Nigeria, during the Ebola epidemic, to reduce the effect got a lot of u all thanking God and giving him the glory.
How is he not taking the glory again?

frank317, at the end of the day, when everything is taken into consideration, God has the glory, without diminishing any human effort. God is not in competition with any human being frank317

frank317:
Glad u know this...keep it up man. Don't allow religion spoil this mindset. God has not thing to with our life and this quote says it all

frank317, there is only one true and pure religion, that has no fault and that God approves of. God has a great deal to do with our lives

frank317:
We determine our destiny. Thanks.

I am glad to see you know that we determine our destiny. Life, frank317, is a journey, not a destination yet, because you determine your destiny by the direction, freewill choices and action you take

frank317:
Lol...the only reason I should believe in the existence of God is when I can say beyond reasonable doubt that God exists... For I am almost certain he does not exist.

I like how you said "almost certain", and leaving the door slightly ajar unclosed. Clever guy.

Do you believe God and/or money are real?

frank317:
How?

Why would you, how could you say?:
"i havent seen any God to ask any question. I cannot be talking to myself in the name of asking question" sic

Are you really waiting to physically see God, huh?

frank317, have you ever heard the "Let Go of the Branch" story, hmm?

Well, its about a man named Jack, and the story goes that, he was taking an evening stroll, was walking along a steep cliff one day when he accidentally got too close to the edge of the cliff and fell.

On the way stumbling down, he managed to grab a tree branch, which temporarily stopped his fall. He knew to his horror that the canyon fell straight down for more than a thousand feet, so held on tightly to the tree branch. He soon realised that he couldn't hang onto the tree branch forever, and there was no way for him to climb up the steep wall of the cliff. So Jack began yelling for help, hoping that someone above passing by, would hear him and lower a rope or something.

HELP! HELP! Is anyone up there? "HELP!" Jack shouted

He yelled for a long time, but no one heard him. His voice has become hoarse and he was about to give up when he heard a voice, saying, "Jack, Jack. Can you hear me?"

"Yes, yes! I can hear you. I'm down here!" Jack ecstatically answered overpowered by a sudden feeling of relief and emotion

"I can see you, Jack. Are you all right?" the voice asked

"Yes, but who are you, and where are you? Jack answered back

"I am the Lord, Jack. I'm everywhere." the voice said

"The Lord? You mean, GOD?" Jack asked surprisingly

"Yeah, that's Me Jack." the voice confirmed to be God's.

"God, please help me! I promise, if you'll get me down from here, I'll believe you exist, I will stop sinning. I'll be a really good person. I'll serve You for the rest of my life."

"Easy on the promises, Jack. Let's get you off from there first, then we can talk."

"Now, here's what I want you to do Jack. Listen carefully."

"I'll do anything, God. Just tell me what to do."

"Okay Jack. Let go of the branch."

"What?"

"I said, let go of the branch Jack. Just trust Me Jack. Let go Jack"

There was a long silence.

Finally Jack, in the pitch black below freezing point cold dead in the night temperature yelled, "HELP! HELP! IS ANYONE ELSE UP THERE?"

At crack of dawn at the first break of light, the search party came about Jack's dead frozen body found still clutching for dear life to the tree branch. The tragedy and body blow was that when the search party team found Jack's body, his feet were dangling 3 inches from the ground.

PaulAris:

Surely, not everything is coincidence

Of course not. It is not coincidence that the medicine that has proven efficacy works nor is it coincidence when your body resists sickness. The simple fact of the matter is a god is not necessary to explain it. A belief in god has not been shown to be more efficacious in procuring healing for sickness or disease.

budaatum:

So your issue, my Lord, is you can not accept that I may not have a clue how I was healed when I fell ill and into the hands of a good doctor who went against what could have been selfish interest to fleece me dry but sent me home; the fact that my body held together through a 4 hour drive to the airport and a seven hour flight to UK and a two hour drive home when it had for days been failing every half hour; that I just about managed to get to the hospital before my legs gave way; that specialists, my family, my friends, the porter, the crane, the picture of lavender on the wall, diagnosed my illness and put buda back together again, and so therefore, "thank God"? I guess I'm not used to stars lining up on my behalf or I'd be like you my Lord, moving stars at my will with the fingers on my hands. My will (or faith), could not have moved that mountain of illness out the way, yet move it surely did.

It was not instant however. I was an atheist all through my being ill and for three years after, but I cannot deny those stars lined up through no effort on my part except my faith which I always had even as an atheist. I willed by so little faith that I never once thought of feeling the need to pray asking to be healed. And I personally thanked everyone who assisted with my getting well. But I still find reason to extend my gratitude far beyond them because I just do not consider anything I am or have done makes me deserving of the care I got. And since I don't know wherefore it came (though I do but have no intersubjective words with which to describe it), what better name it give than God which fits the gap for now until I get a better understanding of how to put it?

Hence by the Grace of God is buda grateful for the wisdom and the talent of everyone through whom stars moved mountains to put buda back together again.

Uh, I accept that you have no clue my dear buda, we are all clueless in many instances, Christians and any other god believers are not excepted.

MuttleyLaff:
I dont see any brain analogy you made in your post the last two pages past

frank317, I said you brought up first, the issue about brain now, and that I only advanced on you introducing it first, like me noticing that animals dont even have half capabilities of human brain yet they dont entertain, harbour and/or foster the hate for God, like you have. Or do you want to say, you love God, huh?

Those who dance like me, are considered insane by those like you, who can't hear the music nor understand the beat

frank317, at the end of the day, when everything is taken into consideration, God has the glory, without diminishing any human effort. God is not in competition with any human being frank317

frank317, there is only one true and pure religion, that has no fault and that God approves of. God has a great deal to do with our lives

I am glad to see you know that we determine our destiny. Life, frank317, is a journey, not a destination yet, because you determine your destiny by the direction, freewill choices and action you take

I like how you said "almost certain", and leaving the door slightly ajar unclosed. Clever guy.

Do you believe God and/or money are real?

Why would you, how could you say?:
"i havent seen any God to ask any question. I cannot be talking to myself in the name of asking question" sic

Are you really waiting to physically see God, huh?

frank317, have you ever heard the "Let Go of the Branch" story, hmm?

Well, its about a man named Jack, and the story goes that, he was taking an evening stroll, was walking along a steep cliff one day when he accidentally got too close to the edge of the cliff and fell.

On the way stumbling down, he managed to grab a tree branch, which temporarily stopped his fall. He knew to his horror that the canyon fell straight down for more than a thousand feet, so held on tightly to the tree branch. He soon realised that he couldn't hang onto the tree branch forever, and there was no way for him to climb up the steep wall of the cliff. So Jack began yelling for help, hoping that someone above passing by, would hear him and lower a rope or something.

HELP! HELP! Is anyone up there? "HELP!" Jack shouted

He yelled for a long time, but no one heard him. His voice has become hoarse and he was about to give up when he heard a voice, saying, "Jack, Jack. Can you hear me?"

"Yes, yes! I can hear you. I'm down here!" Jack ecstatically answered overpowered by a sudden feeling of relief and emotion

"I can see you, Jack. Are you all right?" the voice asked

"Yes, but who are you, and where are you? Jack answered back

"I am the Lord, Jack. I'm everywhere." the voice said

"The Lord? You mean, GOD?" Jack asked surprisingly

"Yeah, that's Me Jack." the voice confirmed to be God's.

"God, please help me! I promise, if you'll get me down from here, I'll believe you exist, I will stop sinning. I'll be a really good person. I'll serve You for the rest of my life."

"Easy on the promises, Jack. Let's get you off from there first, then we can talk."

"Now, here's what I want you to do Jack. Listen carefully."

"I'll do anything, God. Just tell me what to do."

"Okay Jack. Let go of the branch."

"What?"

"I said, let go of the branch Jack. Just trust Me Jack. Let go Jack"

There was a long silence.

Finally Jack, in the pitch black below freezing point cold dead in the night temperature yelled, "HELP! HELP! IS ANYONE ELSE UP THERE?"

At crack of dawn at the first break of light, the search party came about Jack's dead frozen body found still clutching for dear life to the tree branch. The tragedy and body blow was that when the search party team found Jack's body, his feet were dangling 3 inches from the ground.

Lol. I will love to have a copy of this story o.
Muttleylaff Abeg free this people alone. If the gospel is not foolishness to them that are perishing it means it's not the true gospel but to them that knows the mysteries, wisdom and understanding beneath, the gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is not only life but life eternal.

MuttleyLaff:
I dont see any brain analogy you made in your post the last two pages past

frank317, I said you brought up first, the issue about brain now, and that I only advanced on you introducing it first, like me noticing that animals dont even have half capabilities of human brain yet they dont entertain, harbour and/or foster the hate for God, like you have. Or do you want to say, you love God, huh?

Frank: how can God give humans brains and not expect them to use it to question perceived inconsistencies from God?

Muttely: even animals have brains

Frank: how can u compare animal brains with humans brains, perhaps u don't understand my point

Muttley: u mentioned brain first , I am only trying to tell u that animals have brains that is not half the capability of human brain yet they don't question inconsistencies

Frank:

Those who dance like me, are considered insane by those like you, who can't hear the music nor understand the beat

That's why we are here... To prove who is actually mad.

frank317, at the end of the day, when everything is taken into consideration, God has the glory, without diminishing any human effort. God is not in competition with any human being frank317.

God is not in competition with humans but he is busy taking glory in a world where man is in charge of his destiny... Ur God should get a job.

frank317, there is only one true and pure religion, that has no fault and that God approves of. God has a great deal to do with our lives

I guess u mean ur religion... Other peoples religion is not pure...lol.

I am glad to see you know that we determine our destiny. Life, frank317, is a journey, not a destination yet, because you determine your destiny by the direction, freewill choices and action you take

We determined our destiny but God takes the glory when we make the right choice... Listen to urself.

I like how you said "almost certain", and leaving the door slightly ajar unclosed. Clever guy.

Yesoooo... I am giving him the chance to prove he exists... That door may soon likely close though.

Do you believe God and/or money are real?

I know money is real.. There is no prove that God is real.

Why would you, how could you say?:
"i havent seen any God to ask any question. I cannot be talking to myself in the name of asking question" sic

Are you really waiting to physically see God, huh?

frank317, have you ever heard the "Let Go of the Branch" story, hmm?

Well, its about a man named Jack, and the story goes that, he was taking an evening stroll, was walking along a steep cliff one day when he accidentally got too close to the edge of the cliff and fell.

On the way stumbling down, he managed to grab a tree branch, which temporarily stopped his fall. He knew to his horror that the canyon fell straight down for more than a thousand feet, so held on tightly to the tree branch. He soon realised that he couldn't hang onto the tree branch forever, and there was no way for him to climb up the steep wall of the cliff. So Jack began yelling for help, hoping that someone above passing by, would hear him and lower a rope or something.

HELP! HELP! Is anyone up there? "HELP!" Jack shouted

He yelled for a long time, but no one heard him. His voice has become hoarse and he was about to give up when he heard a voice, saying, "Jack, Jack. Can you hear me?"

"Yes, yes! I can hear you. I'm down here!" Jack ecstatically answered overpowered by a sudden feeling of relief and emotion

"I can see you, Jack. Are you all right?" the voice asked

"Yes, but who are you, and where are you? Jack answered back

"I am the Lord, Jack. I'm everywhere." the voice said

"The Lord? You mean, GOD?" Jack asked surprisingly

"Yeah, that's Me Jack." the voice confirmed to be God's.

"God, please help me! I promise, if you'll get me down from here, I'll believe you exist, I will stop sinning. I'll be a really good person. I'll serve You for the rest of my life."

"Easy on the promises, Jack. Let's get you off from there first, then we can talk."

"Now, here's what I want you to do Jack. Listen carefully."

"I'll do anything, God. Just tell me what to do."

"Okay Jack. Let go of the branch."

"What?"

"I said, let go of the branch Jack. Just trust Me Jack. Let go Jack"

There was a long silence.

Finally Jack, in the pitch black below freezing point cold dead in the night temperature yelled, "HELP! HELP! IS ANYONE ELSE UP THERE?"

At crack of dawn at the first break of light, the search party came about Jack's dead frozen body found still clutching for dear life to the tree branch. The tragedy and body blow was that when the search party team found Jack's body, his feet were dangling 3 inches from the ground.

I know this story but as a joke... Eventually God allowed him to die? What's with God and this silly faith thingy... His laws seem to be more powerful than him. Despite knowing the man was sure that leaving the branch will kill him, why was it important to him that the man does something that he knows will kill him to save him... I also remember him asking Abraham to kill his son... The God in ur head is insane.

Martinez39:
Despite the bible talking about Yahweh being capable of healing and his promises to answer prayers of faith, many christians still can't bring themselves to put these in practice when shit hits the fan in life. Many, within them, know that the promises of Yahweh to heal the sick, who ask with faith, are laughable but since they want to keep on believing, they resolve the cognitive dissonance with illogical excuses such as "god is not a magician," "doctors and nurses are god provisions for healing" etc. in other to obviate their responsibility of embracing the miraculous as christians.

One of these illogical excuses that I want to address is "doctors and nurses are god provisions for healing." When christians use this line, what they mean is "Yahweh doesn't heal anyone directly instead the only way he heals is through doctors and nurses." They cleverly do this because, within them, they know that the miraculous healing is βullshit but they want to keep on believing. They try to absolve themselves of the responsibility to believe and practice faith healing instead of going to hospital. Does this excuse really make sense? No it doesn't. To use such excuse means you indirectly admit that Yahweh, being all powerful, can't properly implement appropriate solutions to problems or is plain wicked.

If Yahweh can provide healing for those who ask in faith, why leave them in the hands of doctors and nurses? Doctors and nurses are not perfect and can make mistakes that can be fatal at times. Medicine doesn't have solutions to certain ailments but Yahweh supposedly does, then why make medicine his only provision for healing when he can use his raw power? If medical science, not his raw power, is the only provision for healing then such provision is not sufficient for cancer patients, people with Lesch-Nyhan Syndrome, AIDS patients, the with ebola hemorrhagic fever etc. People with these end up dying. So why make medicine the only possible way when Yahweh could have used his raw power? With his allegedly raw power, these difficulties in medicine would be avoided and no one would die.

Does it make sense for Yahweh to ignore his perfect efficient power and opt for the imperfect and evolving medical science? Does this not make him an unintelligent god incapable of making sound choices? If he is perfectly sane and intelligent, does this not make him psychopathic? Why ignore your raw power that has a cure to all diseases for medical science that is limited in proffering solutions to many deadly illnesses? In many cases of manageable illnesses, the patients go through daily discomfort and spend money when this would not have been the case if Yahweh had made his raw power the provision for healing instead of the imperfect medical science. What about cases of mentally ill people who are confined to the psychiatric wards? Which would have helped them better, medical science or Yahweh's raw power(assume it exists as the bible claims)? Is this a foolish god or a psychopath? If he is sane and perfect in intellect, then he is wicked to watch people suffer and die when he could have used his raw power.

Before anti-malarial drugs were discovered, millions of children and adults died from malaria and there was nothing medical science, the provision of God for healing, could do but had god made his raw power the provision, such would not have happened. I ask you, do you think it is wise for Yahweh, being all powerful, to make the imperfect medical science his provision of healing when he could have used his raw power? So much for this divine provision of healing that many surgeries are predicted to have slim chances of success but this would not have been the case if Yahweh had used his raw power. He did it in biblical times, why should now be different? Does this make sense to you?

Given all I have stated, we can conclude that for Yahweh to make the imperfect medical science his only provision for healing instead of his raw power, then either he is too dull to proffer apt solutions to problems or he is simply a psychopath. Perhaps, we depend on medical science because it all we've got and there is no god existing.




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@the word in red: can you guys ever do without constructing strawmen? Anyway, that word there alone renders everything you're saying not worthy of consideration.

LordReed:


Of course not. It is not coincidence that the medicine that has proven efficacy works nor is it coincidence when your body resists sickness. The simple fact of the matter is a god is not necessary to explain it. A belief in god has not been shown to be more efficacious in procuring healing for sickness or disease.

Yh, it is not necessary
But it helps, gives hope to those without. Cause that's where most people's trust lies.
Deceiving??
You see religion is not just a believe in a god scheme neither is it a compartment of the human mind.
"Its an expression of society. We perceive as individuals a force that's greater than ourselves."
Its not just an object of our perception, its become very real.
...
[At bold]; Please do not tell me you're asking for evidence
...
You have your beliefs, while I have mine.
That much is respected.
For Religion is miracles, just like to Science is Medicines.

frank317:
Frank: how can God give humans brains and not expect them to use it to question perceived inconsistencies from God?

Muttely: even animals have brains

Frank: how can u compare animal brains with humans brains, perhaps u don't understand my point

Muttley: u mentioned brain first , I am only trying to tell u that animals have brains that is not half the capability of human brain yet they don't question inconsistencies

Frank:

"Is this what God told you? You make God sound like an arrogant man.
He can't create humans with brains and say he Owes them any explanation even when his actions are so contradictory and unreasonable."
- by frank317: 7:43am On Apr 14 2019

"God created humans with brains, same way He created animals with brains and this is what He gets from humans. Ingratitude and unappreciativeness from someone like you and the others. "
- by MuttleyLaff: 8:21am On Apr 14 2019

"frank317, I said you brought up first, the issue about brain now, and that I only advanced on you introducing it first, like me noticing that animals dont even have half capabilities of human brain yet they dont entertain, harbour and/or foster the hate for God, like you have. Or do you want to say, you love God, huh?"
- by MuttleyLaff: 6:37pm On Apr 14 2019

frank317, can you see from the above inverted commas above that you are degenerating, taking a turn for the worse and being disingenious by half heartedly and incorrectively quoting me, huh? Tut-tut-tut tut.

frank317:
That's why we are here... To prove who is actually mad.

Well, I've already admitted that those who dance like me, are considered mad by those like you, who can't hear the music nor understand the beat

frank317:
God is not in competition with humans but he is busy taking glory in a world where man is in charge of his destiny... Ur God should get a job.

Oh pulease, stop being such a drama queen and trying to blow everything totally out of proportion

frank317:
I guess u mean ur religion... Other peoples religion is not pure...lol.

I can see frank317 that you are so naive about what true and pure religion that has no fault and one that God approves is

frank317:
We determined our destiny but God takes the glory when we make the right choice... Listen to urself.

You first mentioned destiny frank316, I am just developing upon what you first brought up now. Have you not heard that we are created to manifest the glory of God within us ni?

frank317:
Yesoooo... I am giving him the chance to prove he exists... That door may soon likely close though.

frank317, dont you know that, a man without God is a rebel, and this solely because removing God from a state of existence, is a great act of rebellion.

frank317:
I know money is real.. There is no prove that God is real.

O paari, end of movie, frank317 says, he knows money is real. frank317 you believe money is real, yet you have problems believing God is real. What a bummer

frank317:
I know this story but as a joke...

Yeah right, an expensive joke that cost him his life, right?

frank317:
Eventually God allowed him to die? What's with God and this silly faith thingy...

No, whats with humans, just like you and him, having this emotional problem with and/or inhibition to faith, huh?

frank317:
His laws seem to be more powerful than him.

Dont be silly, how can you trivialise the word(s) and law(s) of God? It is God's prerogative to respect rules He Himself set or laid down now

frank317:
Despite knowing the man was sure that leaving the branch will kill him, why was it important to him that the man does something that he knows will kill him to save him...

frank317, was the man not reassured with the following comment?: "let go of the branch Jack. Just trust Me Jack. Let go Jack"

frank317:
I also remember him asking Abraham to kill his son... The God in ur head is insane

frank317, do you also remember whether or not, there was a happy ending to the "Abraham to kill his son" story huh?

DoctorAlien:


@the word in red: can you guys ever do without constructing strawmen? Anyway, that word there alone renders everything you're saying not worthy of consideration.

The word "only" is very valid and appropriate. There is no strawmanning here.

Martinez39:
The word "only" is very valid and appropriate. There is no strawmanning here.

So which Christian said to you "Yahweh doesn't heal anyone directly instead the only way he heals is through doctors and nurses." ?

DoctorAlien:


So which Christian said to you "Yahweh doesn't heal anyone directly instead the only way he heals is through doctors and nurses." ?

My mother, my christian course mates, many of my former church members, many pastors, some of the christians that commented on this thread etc. I have heard this excuse from so many people, so many times, that I decided to create a topic on it. Good day.

Martinez39:
My mother, my christian course mates, many of my former church members, many pastors, some of the christians that commented on this thread etc. I have heard this excuse from so many people, so many times, that I decided to create a topic on it. Good day.

Okay

Trike:
Yes it is all about greed and money in the medical profession, that is why they post lies on the Internet to stop patients from experiencing miraculous healings.

All of those doctors suffering from their own incurable diseases with no solution from medical science have been seeking spiritual/miraculous healing and found it. Some are bold enough to declare it to a depraved world.

Here a medical doctor confirms his healing :

https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi3vZK6ws_hAhXXSBUIHdLAAxEQwqsBMAV6BAgKEBM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzLQ68vZtTrI&usg=AOvVaw3vHrhT-eCNxVsvv0qBx46h


Doctors, Academics Unite to Prove Miracles — Charisma News
https://www.charismanews.com/us/34002-doctors-academics-unite-to-prove-miracles

please send the download link to the book above "Miracles we have seen". Thanks and God bless you.

MuttleyLaff:


It actually is funny that true and pure religion that has no faults, isn't what both you think it is

Man is doing and trying his best, kudos to man but more obviously can be done.

God is doing a waiting on man. Man is holding God back and down. It's down to man. Wasn't it man who wanted to know, who desired knowledge? Well keep on working at man, the world awaits your discoveries and findings

I used to detest people who think this way but not after what I have gone through in my research about the purpose of life and in my search for God ,When I think about everything I practiced and all the paths I thread, fear could make me mad and anger could strike me dead if not for the weapon of faith in God and also through the love of God.

faith in God through the love of God now remains the strongest I found among all remedies in my research about life and in my search for God...

just quit stressing because high population of men/women have refused to accept the alarming level of devil they nurture within and so will remain ignorant about life as chance to redeem themselves from deep darkness and blindness .

Agrogbeide:
please send the download link to the book above "Miracles we have seen". Thanks and God bless you.

Sorry for the delay, for your convenience see links below;

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The Miracles Project - Harley Rotbart
https://www.harleyrotbart.com/the-miracles-project/
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Agrogbeide:
please send the download link to the book above "Miracles we have seen". Thanks and God bless you.

Have you downloaded this free Pdf book yet ?

www.omega-3.club/.../miracles-we-have-seen-americas-leading-physicians-share-stori...

Trike:
Have you downloaded this free Pdf book yet ?

www.omega-3.club/.../miracles-we-have-seen-americas-leading-physicians-share-stori...

l tried my best possible but to no avail. Can you send it through mail or whatsapp? Thanks.

Agrogbeide:
l tried my best possible but to no avail. Can you send it through mail or whatsapp? Thanks.

I bought the book from a nearby book shop. Since then I heard that the Free Pdf is available for download. I checked the link above after copy and paste directly into my search bar. You will need to enter your email to register before download. All the best.

Copy and paste this link into your
www.omega-3.club/.../miracles-we-have-seen-americas-leading-physicians-share-stori...

Trike:
I bought the book from a nearby book shop. Since then I heard that the Free Pdf is available for download. I checked the link above after copy and paste directly into my search bar. You will need to enter your email to register before download. All the best.

Copy and paste this link into your
www.omega-3.club/.../miracles-we-have-seen-americas-leading-physicians-share-stori...

Mission impossible bro.
Anyways I will try and get the hard copy.
Thanks.
God bless.

Agrogbeide:
Mission impossible bro.
Anyways I will try and get the hard copy.
Thanks.
God bless.

In my quest for truth about miraculous healings, I have to to keep an open mind. I hope to find places I can go to and witness it myself.
Meanwhile, I am also trying to get free Miracle healing Pdf books to download, but I find it very frustrating and most links misleading.

I can share Pdf's that I find with you via email if you can provide me with your mail address.

Trike:
In my quest for truth about miraculous healings, I have to to keep an open mind. I hope to find places I can go to and witness it myself.
Meanwhile, I am also trying to get free Miracle healing Pdf books to download, but I find it very frustrating and most links misleading.

I can share Pdf's that I find with you via email if you can provide me with your mail address.

Wow. Though I choosed mail as an option but I will love you send it through whatsapp and if it is well please with you I can drop my whatsapp number.
Thanks.
God bless.

Agrogbeide:
Wow. Though I choosed mail as an option but I will love you send it through whatsapp and if it is well please with you I can drop my whatsapp number.
Thanks.
God bless.

I seldom used Whatsapp in the past, Now I must install it again.
I will let you know when I am ready to use Whatsapp soon.

Email is very convenient for me because I use it daily. I also only read Pdf's on my computer, but if you are using your cellphone, no problem I will install WhatsAPP.

Trike:
I seldom used Whatsapp in the past, Now I must install it again.
I will let you know when I am ready to use Whatsapp soon.

Email is very convenient for me because I use it daily. I also only read Pdf's on my computer, but if you are using your cellphone, no problem I will install WhatsAPP.

until then you can send to my email address; watchmanjesse007@gmail.com
Thanks
God bless.