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Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by DedeNkem: 6:03am On Apr 15, 2019

kmaster007:
from ur village

It doesn't work from anywhere. M*oron.

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by Jalive: 6:05am On Apr 15, 2019

festacman:
Any person or group of persons who want pray to God to have mercy on the souls of their dead relatives or friends should be free to do so. Those who don't want to do this should also be free not to. #Freedom of belief.

There is nothing like freedom of belief in the bible.

No standing on the fence.

What the man of God said may not be popular, but it is the truth.

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by Bet9ja5182: 6:13am On Apr 15, 2019

[color=#770077][/color]see below

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by Omnig: 6:58am On Apr 15, 2019

damiloladuke:
A man of God identified as Pastor Giwa of the Awaiting The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ Gospel Church, has advised Christians to stop praying for the dead.

According to daily Post, the cleric in a statement mentioned that since the dead are no longer in existence in the physical realm, nothing can be changed about them.

Giwa however said prayers should be for the living.

Read his statement:

“It baffles me when people pray for the dead. Specifically, the Bible says in Ecclesiastes 9:5 that ‘For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.’

“Also in Psalm 146:4, ‘When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day, their plans come to nothing.’

“As we are still living, we have plenty of time to examine our lives whether we are in the faith. All of us are still living by grace, and when death comes, we know nothing again.

“Let us look deep into our hearts to see whether we truly serve God or not. Are we not using God’s name to gather money for ourselves? But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken, according to Matthew 12:36.”

https://lailasnews.com/stop-praying-for-the-dead-pastor-charges-christians/

Very Correct

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by Bosun13: 7:08am On Apr 15, 2019

damiloladuke:
A man of God identified as Pastor Giwa of the Awaiting The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ Gospel Church, has advised Christians to stop praying for the dead.

According to daily Post, the cleric in a statement mentioned that since the dead are no longer in existence in the physical realm, nothing can be changed about them.

Giwa however said prayers should be for the living.

Read his statement:

“It baffles me when people pray for the dead. Specifically, the Bible says in Ecclesiastes 9:5 that ‘For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.’

“Also in Psalm 146:4, ‘When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day, their plans come to nothing.’

“As we are still living, we have plenty of time to examine our lives whether we are in the faith. All of us are still living by grace, and when death comes, we know nothing again.

“Let us look deep into our hearts to see whether we truly serve God or not. Are we not using God’s name to gather money for ourselves? But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken, according to Matthew 12:36.”

https://lailasnews.com/stop-praying-for-the-dead-pastor-charges-christians/
...... Then, we must stop saying ..MAY HIS OR HER SOLE REST IN PERFECT PEACE

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by Cocolatti(m): 7:10am On Apr 15, 2019

Katier00:
I don't agree. After death comes judgment. So your soul is still active. The bible said that God's mercies are endless. So he can show mercy to your soul even after death

Say What

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by Waylex21(m): 7:40am On Apr 15, 2019

[quote author=Jalive post=77549618]There is nothing like freedom of belief in the bible.

No standing on the fence.

What the man of God said may not be popular, but it is the truth.

It is not the truth. He used the Old Testament to justify his stance when there were no beliefs in heaven and hell. That passage of the Bible only recognizes Sheol. Do you still believe in Sheol?

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by Zubi10(m): 8:39am On Apr 15, 2019

damiloladuke:
A man of God identified as Pastor Giwa of the Awaiting The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ Gospel Church, has advised Christians to stop praying for the dead.

According to daily Post, the cleric in a statement mentioned that since the dead are no longer in existence in the physical realm, nothing can be changed about them.

Giwa however said prayers should be for the living.

Read his statement:

“It baffles me when people pray for the dead. Specifically, the Bible says in Ecclesiastes 9:5 that ‘For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.’

“Also in Psalm 146:4, ‘When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day, their plans come to nothing.’

“As we are still living, we have plenty of time to examine our lives whether we are in the faith. All of us are still living by grace, and when death comes, we know nothing again.

“Let us look deep into our hearts to see whether we truly serve God or not. Are we not using God’s name to gather money for ourselves? But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken, according to Matthew 12:36.”

https://lailasnews.com/stop-praying-for-the-dead-pastor-charges-christians/

this one don smoke again

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by festacman(m): 9:33am On Apr 15, 2019

Jalive:
There is nothing like freedom of belief in the bible.

No standing on the fence.

What the man of God said may not be popular, but it is the truth.

Jesus did not force the Pharisees and sadduccees to accept his message. He preached with authority and love and He and His message were accepted by many. So contrary to your a little 'fundamentalist' stance, Jesus actually tolerated other beliefs

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by Focusmind: 9:35am On Apr 15, 2019

Fabnaija:
GOOD ADVICE, BUT HE SHOULD CHANNEL HIS ADVICE TO CATHOLICS AND NOT TO CHRISTIANS BECAUSE CHRISTIANS DON'T PRAY FOR THE DEAD BUT CATHOLICS DO.

Yet when someone dies, you guys type, " May His Soul Rest in Peace (RIP)", so this one is not prayer for the dead?

Believe what ever suits you and leave the catholic church alone. The church stoutly believes in the intercession for the death and that's why the Catholics commemorate the "All Souls Day" and the "All Saints Day", to remember the loved ones that have passed and the early Christian martyrs.

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by kmaster007: 9:44am On Apr 15, 2019

DedeNkem:
It doesn't work from anywhere. M*oron.

i see

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by PrincewithGod(m): 11:40am On Apr 15, 2019

Chijeep:
Everybody is just trying 2 make his/her own law.
quote 2 us d Bible passage dat says we shud nt pray 4 d dead.

people like you can't make a single law but u don't hesitate to condemn others

And, pray, show us the passage that commanded us to pray for the dead.

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by DeOTR: 12:10pm On Apr 15, 2019

Apination:
Purgatory is a place of purification for those who's sins are not deserving of eternal condemnation but at the same time cannot be in heaven due to those sins. At what time in the history of the Catholic Church was money collected in the name of purgatory? Praying for the dead is as old as man, and I believe you have at some point in time attended one Christian funeral service or the other in your church, if praying for the dead is stupid as you say, then then it means you and all those who converge for such are also stupid

The teaching of purgatory is against the biblical teaching.
There's nothing in the Bible that suggests that the dead are even conscious. Jesus always refers to the dead as sleeping. This is consistent with the Bible verse:

Matthew 27:52
The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;,

Daniel 12:2
"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.,

1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Where then do your purgatory fit in here. When you die, you die and you become dust and that's it until the last day. Nothing like immortal souls or the sort. That's a pagan believe championed by satan to deceive sinners into believing that they have another chance at life again after death.
The earlier we accept the simplicity of the Christian faith, the better.
And yes, Vatican was built by monies from penance on behalf of the dead believed to be in purgatory.

Re: Stop Praying For The Dead - Pastor Giwa Charges Christians by Chijeep(m): 4:12pm On Apr 20, 2019

PrincewithGod:
And, pray, show us the passage that commanded us to pray for the dead.

if I tell u u won't believe. but if u claim 2 b a bible scholar n U av read 4rm Genesis to Revelation n U mean there's no place like praying 4 d dead, den u can take it anyhow u like

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