Actually, hospital can get court injunction to transfuse minor. It can only work if parents are not paying for services. In developed countries, government sees children as their responsibility.
In nigeria, patients pay usually before services take care of their children. Also, how many hospitals can get court papers to administer blood? What if the child dies eventually after the transfusion? Hospital may face litigation. In most cases, it may argue that blood transfusion worsen the condition.
I have reservation for use of blood in medicine but do not agree with JW that receiving blood medically is an outright regard for God's law.

KingLennon:
I accept the court judgement 100%. Because your Religion doesn't support blood transfusion, you want the child to die. Religion is Nigeria's biggest problem

Africa's biggest problem

Agree with you 100%

Dreal1247:
This is one of the best thread I'm reading this wonderful morning.

Mynd44:

Not just blood transfusion right now.

Imagine a muslim couple takes their female child to an hospital, if the only doctor available is a male doctor and the doctor finds that if he doesn't act, the child can die, the parents cannot ask him to step back. The right of the child to live outweighs the freedom of religion of the parents and the doctor can administer treatment

Please explain as your statement is unambiguous

This ruling is not only applicable to JW, other religious sects are affected.

Excellent judgement to put our thinking straight

This ruling, as commendable as it can be, may be misapplied in other circumstances where parents administer certain procedures on minors who lack consent. An example is circumcision, baptism, tribal marks etc. The supreme court will need to be more explicit that this can only apply in life threatening conditions. Otherwise people will be denied religious obligations on their children who cannot give consent.

aribisala0:


No it is not madness, it is jurisprudence. Not always comprehensible to simple folk.

Sometimes better to observe in silence

I'm not in support of the parents just so you know

because of this, a lot of adults have die. that is why I will never advice a pregnant woman to go to JW hospital or clinic

anonymuz:
its a basic bible principle.

Which useless bible principle does eating blood translate to blood transfusion?

The question is why did they take the child to the hospital if they don’t believe in the capacity of the hospital to save the child.

One day that child will grow enough to know the parents were willing to kill him or her just because of their religious beliefs and thereafter demanded 10M from those that saved him or her for doing so.

Mad parents

drlateef:
This ruling, as commendable as it can be, may be misapplied in other circumstances where parents administer certain procedures on minors who lack consent. An example is circumcision, baptism, tribal marks etc. The supreme court will need to be more explicit that this can only apply in life threatening conditions. Otherwise people will be denied religious obligations on their children who cannot give consent.

The Supreme Court is already writing the judgement. It will be strictly for life threatening circumstances where the parents cannot solely determines such course of treatment for a minor that can’t give consent especially when it has to do with religion beliefs

helpee:
Hahaha....it only worked because it was Chevron hospital. The doctors had to inform the commissioner of police. The police had to quickly go to court to get exparte order before transfusion. Don't forget the parent won't pay for the blood. Now the aftermath....they were in court for 22yrs. How many such cases do you want to do before you die? Remember the parent we're not the one sponsoring the case... it is the religious sect. Bottom line is this....no single private hospital will take such risk. If Jehovah witness want to kill their children by refusing blood....I will gladly oblige them after counseling than going to court for 22yrs

Chevron should be commended for taking this on and remaining dogged over the 2 decades plus.
I am not a Lawyer. The little I know about the Law however is that, with such a clear cut judgement, a precedent has been set. Most lawyers know not to seek reinterpretation of Supreme court judgements, thus any such cases will get thrown out quickly from the Lower courts in future.

Bigajeff:
Try this poo in overseas country where their Judicial system is still working and see what the result will be. There are alternative to blood transfusion without loss of life. Who says parent cannot make decision for a child that is yet to reach and independent age. Nigerian heath system do not have the capacity for alternative technology of saving life thereby seeking redress in our faulty Judicial system.

Note: There are numbers of cases where certified doctors has adopted alternative means of treatment successfully without blood transfusion, so this one case cannot justify for the rest. Human right still holds and should be respected.

This is not overseas country please. This is Nigeria and the Supreme Court of Nigeria just did the right thing

You can carry your overseas thinking to your overseas. We use our peculiar level of development to solve our peculiar problem.

helpee:
Hahaha....it only worked because it was Chevron hospital. The doctors had to inform the commissioner of police. The police had to quickly go to court to get exparte order before transfusion. Don't forget the parent won't pay for the blood. Now the aftermath....they were in court for 22yrs. How many such cases do you want to do before you die? Remember the parent we're not the one sponsoring the case... it is the religious sect. Bottom line is this....no single private hospital will take such risk. If Jehovah witness want to kill their children by refusing blood....I will gladly oblige them after counseling than going to court for 22yrs

You don't understand the premise of this rulling. A supreme court ruling is as good as a constitution, binding to everyone. So when next such a case happens, the hospital involved will just proceed on administrating the blood to the child, with this rulling as a backup. No lower court will entertain another complaint from any JW parents since the supreme court has decided on this already.

Come back and see your life. Na bar your ball hit oooo

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yaksdavirus:
Can someone please summarise the bruhaha above. They are un-comprehendible

it is not a crime for u to settle down and read this important judgment neither will u die if you concentrate in reading, it's a straight forward judgment that can help u in the future in case u fall victim, that's the problem of youths of nowadays, they want everything fast fast, tomorrow now u go be the first person to castigate and rubbish the judicial system putting all the blames on buhari....... Nonsense upon ingredient

This are the kind of threads that should hit FP.. Not all those..........

Good one from the SC.

I'm quite happy with this rulling. We need more of this to return sanity to the society. Kudos!

MaziOmenuko:


You don't understand the premise of this rulling. A supreme court ruling is as good as a constitution, binding to everyone. So when next such a case happens, the hospital involved will just proceed on administrating the blood to the child, with this rulling as a backup. No lower court will entertain another complaint from any JW parents since the supreme court has decided on this already.

lies. Supreme Court judgement can be interpreted anyhow by court. This is just a judicial precedence meaning it can only help your case if you are in court for a similar case but it won't prevent you from being sued. And remember, Jehovah witness is a stubborn set. Even if the case is straight forward, they will still take you to court for transfusing their sect members and will still pursue the case to the supreme Court. Wether you win or not is Immaterial, the stress, the money and the time and the emotional trauma that you will pass through will be too much . Moreso, remember the baby didn't die yet they took them to court. Imagine after transfusion the baby still dies.... creating another scenario. They will now say even with the blood the baby died.... meaning the blood was not necessarily what would save the baby etc. There are too many scenarios in law and medical practice, a doctor should play safe and smart so they won't use you as a scapegoat

LeopardX:

The welfare of the child comes before your religious beliefs.
The child may later grow to disregard such beliefs and in a situation where the child is unable to make his personal decision, the state decides what is best for him: not his parents and definitely not a religious sect.

I don try.

Absolutely, the parents rather should be counter sued for imposing their Religious believes on their child, thereby putting the child's life in danger by refusing the child medical treatment.

Endangering the life of a minor.

When other countries are using superior health care facilities with better alternatives to blood transfusion, we are still backward here, insisting on transfusion.

I don't even trust any test or blood screening in Naija.

Bigajeff:
Try this poo in overseas country where their Judicial system is still working and see what the result will be. There are alternative to blood transfusion without loss of life. Who says parent cannot make decision for a child that is yet to reach and independent age. Nigerian heath system do not have the capacity for alternative technology of saving life thereby seeking redress in our faulty Judicial system.

Note: There are numbers of cases where certified doctors has adopted alternative means of treatment successfully without blood transfusion, so this one case cannot justify for the rest. Human right still holds and should be respected.

what are u implying Now...

helpee:
lies. Supreme Court judgement can be interpreted anyhow by court. This is just a judicial precedence meaning it can only help your case if you are in court for a similar case but it won't prevent you from being sued. And remember, Jehovah witness is a stubborn set. Even if the case is straight forward, they will still take you to court for transfusing their sect members and will still pursue the case to the supreme Court. Wether you win or not is Immaterial, the stress, the money and the time and the emotional trauma that you will pass through will be too much . Moreso, remember the baby didn't die yet they took them to court. Imagine after transfusion the baby still dies.... creating another scenario. They will now say even with the blood the baby died.... meaning the blood was not necessarily what would save the baby etc. There are too many scenarios in law and medical practice, a doctor should play safe and smart so they won't use you as a scapegoat

My dear, you are not making much sense. You don't appreciate the significance of a supreme court rulling. I didn't say the JW won't drag people to court anymore; I am saying that no court will entertain such cases. Of course you will be heard, but the case will be thrown off for lack of merit. That is if monetary awards are not giving against you for wasting the time of the courts and the defendants.

JW has failed to answer the question ' how does abstain from blood translates to avoid transfusion'

How come abstain from blood in the bible means different thing from abstain from blood in other books.

This news weak me oo, charging Dr 10m for saving ur child u took why not abandoned the child in the hospital

SOFTENGR:
When other countries are using superior health care facilities with better alternatives to blood transfusion, we are still backward here, insisting on transfusion.

I don't even trust any test or blood screening in Naija.

It is only in Nigeria refusing blood transfusion mean choosing death. And blood transfusion is automatically life saving with no risks. No body mentions the risks involved and the complications that might happen after the transfusion.

For as far as 1980s alternatives to blood transfusion has been the main thing in modern medicine.

I was at a standard hospital in Abuja sometimes ago and was shocked to see on the wall of the lab that there is no alternative to blood transfusion! Are we that backward in Healthcare and medicine?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/should-anyone-be-given-a-blood-transfusion


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-jehovahs-witnesses-are-changing-medicine

olas24u:
Stupid organization

Are you serious! why are you so pained

Tabbaz:
We must not accept a doctrine that goes against common sense. Not accepting blood transfusion when needed is synonymous to not giving water to a thirsty person.

You are indirectly saying that you have the right/capacity to your life than it creator. No mortal man is knowledgeable enough to direct his/her steps without following the clear laid down principles from his maker. If a principle/instructions comes from a designer and a manufacturer of a particular product, not following such instructions doesn't really make us smart or proof we have common sense.

helpee:
Hahaha....it only worked because it was Chevron hospital. The doctors had to inform the commissioner of police. The police had to quickly go to court to get exparte order before transfusion. Don't forget the parent won't pay for the blood. Now the aftermath....they were in court for 22yrs. How many such cases do you want to do before you die? Remember the parent we're not the one sponsoring the case... it is the religious sect. Bottom line is this....no single private hospital will take such risk. If Jehovah witness want to kill their children by refusing blood....I will gladly oblige them after counseling than going to court for 22yrs

and your license might be withdrew and a good lawyer will sue you base on the law of precedent that is now a law provided that another third party was ready to pay the bill but you were following parent advise.

koyyes:
People take in blood and still die, contract hepatitis/ aids, discover allergies and mutated blood group/genotype etc . Who gets sued when these happen?

Life is all about RISKS,

CALCULATED risks,

NOT silly,

STUPID risks..

KingLennon:
I accept the court judgement 100%. Because your Religion doesn't support blood transfusion, you want the child to die. Religion is Nigeria's biggest problem

No
tribalism first
Before Religion
If we can overcome this two problems
Nigeria will be great