1. Alcohol is haram for consumption and Hadith express that it is NOT a medicine but a disease.

2. Delaying burials of Muslim corpse is frowned upon. The corpse should be buried immediately.

usermane:
What else is WRONG with Sharia

Apart from breaching human rights, there is another problem with sharia. And that is it hinder human progress and cause stagnation. For instance;



But alcohol has medicinal properties whether alone or in combination with other chemicals.



This is an hindrance to postmortem examination. Also, this leaves no room for the study of human cadaver which we can all admit serve(d) well for Anatomy, Physiology and Medicine.

IN SHORT
Sharia is archaic and backward, it is what condemned the Muslim world to backwardness for the past 500 years. The only thing keeping the Muslim world still relevant in the global sphere is oil. You don't need to be non-Muslim to see this.

Since contributors of this thread have rather deviated from the bone of contention- a critical view of sharia, I'll create another thread in future concerning sharia and human progress.

true2god:
No one denies the fact that sharia law is archaic and grossly violates the human right of non-Muslims (in Muslim lands), and even Muslims themselves. I have spoken with several Muslims who told me that no country on earth implements sharia law fully because they understood the medieval natures of most of the laws. If however to take a holistic view of 'sharia law' and the chain effect it has globally, both on Muslims and non-Muslims, you will appreciate the engagement I have been having with 'Empire', especially in the area of what Muslims define as 'hate speech' (speech critical to Islamic beliefs and many aspects of sharia) and 'free-speech'.

true2god:
No one denies the fact that sharia law is archaic and grossly violates the human right of non-Muslims (in Muslim lands), and even Muslims themselves. I have spoken with several Muslims who told me that no country on earth implements sharia law fully because they understood the medieval natures of most of the laws.

Empiree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT84Uj_hROE

true2god:
I have watched the video and its a complete mixture of truth, lies and Islamic propaganda.

At 1:35mins, the sheik asked the Muslims to fight against oppression and evil. This is OK, if he stops there but he listed 7 main sources of evil and oppression. The list are:

1) Associating partner with Allah.

2) Magic and sorcery.

3) Killing of innocent people.

4) Time will draw close.

5) Knowledge will decrease

6) Fitna will increase

7) Murder and genocide will appear.

The fist point he made obviously talked about the Christians. The Christian call Jesus 'the son of God' and this is ranked as the greatest evil in Islam; associating partner with Allah. This Christian belief has been in force over 500yrs before Muhammed was born and over 2000 yrs by now. So when a sheikh, in a mosque, keep parroting the same old Islamic narrative against a core christian belief, is he trying to make peace or create more disunity among people of different faith? I will leave you to be the judge. Remember, he was meant to sound conciliatory immediately after Sri Lanka attack by some Muslim terrorist but he is busy castigating the beliefs of the victims. Imagine a pastor, after the new Zealand attack, holding a church service condemning the attack but at the same time saying that Mohammed is a fake prophet, how do you see that?

At 7:45mins, he talked about similarly attacks where Muslims and Jews were victims of terror attacks in their mosques and synagogue. I have no issue with this because all forms of violence must be condemned. The only area I seem to disagree is the fact that most Islamic attacks are religiously motivated against the kafir. Remember, the sheik said the greatest 'evil and oppression' is 'associating partner with Allah'. This is a coded message to some Islamic terror group who cannot stand the 'insult' of 'associating partner with Allah'.

In the 14th minute, the full propaganda was in display using the alleged letter the prophet write to the Muslim leaders in Najaran. The purported letter was written by Mohammed, but cannot be found in any authentic hadith, to ensure the security of Christians. Some of the content the letter is allowing Christian and Jews to worship even in a mosque, if no church or synagogue is available. Allowing Christians a place of worship without any form of intimidation and harassment, etc. Of course we all know that no single Muslim country implements this policy because it was concocted by faceless Muslims to con the west.

The truth still remain that Saudi Arabia and Iran, leaders of both sunni and shia Islam, are doing the exact opposite of what the alleged letter said. Are you saying that these two countries have not read the letter?

So, CAN and many other Christians who are bigots (not all) keep spreading the propaganda that Boko Haram persecutes Christians. They say that it is a way by the "Jihadists" against the Christian Faith.

Remember that Boko Haram, in their "Jihad" against Christians, had killed,

Pastor, Evangelist, Daddy G.O Sheikh Jaafar Adam

Elder, Deceaon, Sheikh Albani Zaria,

Priest, Rev. Father, General Mohammed Shuwa,

Apostle Emir of Gwoza

They (Boko Haram) had wrecked much havoc amongst the "Christian Faith" and her elders but we have no record of "Muslim" leaders being killed. If not, why are these "Muslim" leaders alive and buying jets...

Sheikh El-Apostle Sulaiman

Fadilat-Sheikh Oyedepo (Al-Omu-Araniyyi wá Al-jetty)

Ustaadh Enoch Adeboye (Al-Redeemee)

Chief Imam Kumuyi

#Sarcasm

If in 2019, someone still thinks Boko Haram is a war against Christians, we can begin to understand why it is difficult to tackle terrorism as a nation and the world, at large.

When we begin to cloth terrorists, give them a religion, tribe, race, colour, language, not only will they garner a bit of sympathy from those we attach them with (because they will have a sense of belonging), we would make recruitments into these terrorist organizations easier as potential members would think it is a service to their tribe, colour, religion which is in the real sense, a disservice to humanity.

Muslims were killed in New Zealand, Jews in Pittsburgh, Christians in Sri Lanka. The evil guys are killing, we enjoy blaming the Muslims but the reality is that, we keep blaming the Muslims while we all keep dying.

"We want to live by each other’s happiness - not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another... Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in....Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost..."

(Charlie Chaplin's speech from The Great Dictator)

Terrorism has no religion, race, colour, tribe, garment...

Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Empiree:
So you know that you have been deceiving yourself in your faith?. You know that you perpetrated worst evil by associating partners with God and yet, you claimed to worship one God. Sometimes we learn the truth by way of deception which you put on display here.

It is clear you guys want no peace. You deliberately chose to misinterpret his sermons to suit you. What else can Muslims say or do to please you guys?. His message is as clear as daylight. He extended peace gestures but you guys still complain. Why in the world you think #1 actually referred to CHRISTIANS?

It is true that the worst form of oppression is ascribing partners with God but this oppression is against one's soul bcuz in the grave and on the Day of judgement it is not gonna be funny.

I swear the way you reason here makes me sad. Why did you choose to distort his message?. As for the letter he talked about, it would have been better if you said you would research it rather than arriving at the conclusion.

I now believe that CHRISTIAN world don't want peace. Example was recent release of the lady arrested in Saudi Arabia. CAN already played religious card which prompted a Muslim covert to write this note:









I am now convinced that CHRISTIANs don't want peace. No wonder media would still portray a white CHRISTIAN nationalist as "Islamic terrorists". This is truly deep hatred. So sad man that you Mr. True2god could stooped so low. The sheikh even said that evil perpetrated against Sri Lankan CHRISTIANs killing over 200 worshippers was oppression and Muslim must identified with the oppressed (the victims).

What you just did here is the same trait throughout Christian history. In 1930s, the italian general Graziani did the same. He claimed he wanted peace. He summoned Umar Mukhtar to peace talks under a tent. While peace talks were ongoing, his troops were sending armoured tanks to Kufa to attack Umar's army. Yet he's "negotiating peace talks".

George Bush did the same when pressure mounted to leave Iraq, he said no problem. We would move our troops from Iraq and exist from Iran (that's, invade iran on our way out). Yet, he was "negotiating peace talks" with Iraq. When white CHRISTIAN nationalist killed 50 people in NZ, a Christian apologist based in Abuja published article that the CHRISTIAN terrorist guy was linked to islamist terrorists. Ncow you too did the same thing. You guys want no peace.

true2god:
I am pointing out the errors in that 'sermon' and you are here blaming me. If a terrorist attacks a mosque and kill 100 people and a pastor, in his church, condemned the attack but at the same time told his congregation that Mohammed is a false prophet and a great sin to believe he is a prophet, what will you say? When you are condemning such a horrendous crime you have no reason to attack/mock the faith of the victims which is what the sheik did. It is better for one to keep quiet when a bad incident occur than to open his mouth to make a provocative statement.

On the alleged letter Mohammed wrote to ensure the security of Christians which the imam spoke about in the 14th minute into the video, why are Saudi and Iranian authorities not adhering to the instruction to the so-called 'prophet's letter'? Why are they still arresting Christians and apostates in Saudi Arabia and Iran?

There are over 10 major religions on earth, why are virtually all the other religions living peacefully with other except Islam? Why are we always having conflict between Islam and other religions? You guys should do a soul searching and stop playing 'they hate us' game.

Empiree:
you are the one playing hate game. You started off twisting innocent sermon to suit you. Even if a layman watched the video he would say the sheikh wants peace. Clearly you don't want peace. Sheikh clearly stated that muslims should identity with victims but you somehow interpreted his message to suit you. The world is seeing what you guys are doing.

lanrexlan:
See how he was busy twisting what's clear as broad daylight.

It is sad that some Christians on NL are "happy" when catastrophic suicide bombings take place. Why? They would have the opportunity to bash Islam! Outwardly they might seem to be sorrowful but deeply, they are happy cos they have seen an avenue to bash Islam. Even if you tell these folks these bombers are misguided and they are misrepresenting Islam, they would argue that you are wrong and you don't know Islam. Wallah it is sickening. People have given priority to silly avenues to bash others over the sanctity of lives.

To them, the bombers are the real muslims while others who condemn them are fake. I don't know how people can be supporting suicide bombing indirectly with such mentality. If all muslims are to be how these bombers portray, then every soul on earth should be dead!

Can we just condemn terrorism as a whole and just playing blame games?! We are humans first faah (NB: There are some rightly-thinking Christians though but rare on NL)

Empiree:
As I said before, you guys want no peace. It doesn't matter what you say again. I got the picture. Is it not written in your Bible that worshipping other than God or associating partners with Him is not acceptable to God?. Does that mean disturbing other people of faith or place of worship?. You are very insecure and insensitive. The sheikh gave his sermons but you twisted to suit you. You made me sad this morning. How come CHRISTIANs condemn atheists, buddists, Hindus and even Muslims of worshipping false God?. According to your Bible, to ascribe partners with God is punishable offense even in this world by death.

Empiree:
this is one of the many reasons I think you don't understand sheik. Can you tell us where Iran and Saudi blew up Churches and synagogues?. The letter says to protect CHRISTIANs and their Churches. Which means if there is one it should be protected. And they are churches in Saudi and Iran. Where do you think CHRISTIANs in Saudi pray? Where do you think non muslim ambassadors, consulates pray? They have embassies their which means there are nonmuslims in Saudi and they have their houses of worship. You may not see them on the big screen. That's irrelevant. This is major islamic country. Just like in Vatican, there is no mosque there. So why is this your problem?. And since nonMuslims live in Saudi and Iran have you ever heard that Saudi or Iran disturbed them or destroyed their houses of worship like Chinese buddists are currently doing to muslims in China by destroying their mosques and placing muslims in camps https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2118020461586762&id=490858150969676&anchor_composer=false

Empiree:
See also attachments.

How about Western Christians blew up mosques in iraq but many of these video are taken off YouTube now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt_YAz5U_mQ

Empiree:
and on their guns they wrote Bible verse John 3:16. Is there Islamic govt around the world doing these violent crimes on nonmuslims houses of worship?. I am not talking about terrorists that you created whom you called "islamists". I am talking about islamic govt. None. But we seen CHRISTIAN govt blew up mosques. Their bullets were laced with pork to kill muslims.

Empiree:
you are the one playing hate game. You started off twisting innocent sermon to suit you. Even if a layman watched the video he would say the sheikh wants peace. Clearly you don't want peace. Sheikh clearly stated that muslims should identity with victims but you somehow interpreted his message to suit you. The world is seeing what you guys are doing.

Empiree:
It is you CHRISTIANs that brought evils into the modern world. Homosexual, children insulting their parents is their right. They do what they want is their right. Feminism is their right. Walking around naked is your right. Talk nonsense is your right. But when a Muslim woman dresses modestly she's uneducated slave. And the list goes on. We wouldn't be having this discussion if you were truthful after you watched the video.

Empiree:
Fact remains that all these terrorists around the world are created directly or indirectly by Judeo CHRISTIAN leaders and I have provided proof in the past. John McCain (may his soul burn in hell) was one of them. Because hes no longer around was the reason his boys lost the battle. He was the one that lobbied for terrorists. And that Jerry Falwell a Christian terrorist(may he rot in hell) was one of the instigators of war in Iraq on false premise.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/opinion/bush-war-iraq-190318150236739.html

Empiree:
Now I have every reason to believe this whole attack was orchestrated by non muslims. They continue to prove time and again their agenda.

Empiree:
What's banning Tv program had to do with security and killing of innocent lives?. Just to achieve their evil plot they had to suck innocent bloods.

Empiree:
It is clear now.

lanrexlan:
See how he was busy twisting what's clear as broad daylight.

It is sad that some Christians on NL are "happy" when catastrophic suicide bombings take place. Why? They would have the opportunity to bash Islam! Outwardly they might seem to be sorrowful but deeply, they are happy cos they have seen an avenue to bash Islam. Even if you tell these folks these bombers are misguided and they are misrepresenting Islam, they would argue that you are wrong and you don't know Islam. Wallah it is sickening. People have given priority to silly avenues to bash others over the sanctity of lives.

To them, the bombers are the real muslims while others who condemn them are fake. I don't know how people can be supporting suicide bombing indirectly with such mentality. If all muslims are to be how these bombers portray, then every soul on earth should be dead!

Can we just condemn terrorism as a whole and just playing blame games?! We are humans first faah (NB: There are some rightly-thinking Christians though but rare on NL)

true2god:
So because they are 'worshipping 3 god' they deserve to die in the hands of Muslim terrorist? Every man have right to his belief. A psychologist once said: 'if you like worship stone I don't have problem with that as long as you don't throw it at me'. You posted the video to tell us than an Imam condemned the terror attack against Christians in Sri lanka but at the same time attacking/mocking the beliefs of the victims. If you don't see the stupidity in his sermon then you have to watch it over and over again. I don't have any issue with any sheik or Imam preaching against shirk, however you have to be a bit sensitive when giving your sermon especially after an unfortunate event had occurred so that you don't sound hypocritical in your so-called 'peace sermon'.



Saudi Arabia will not blow up any church or synagogue because there is none in Saudi Arabia, but they are the highest sponsor of Islamic terror worldwide. The export their aggressive wahabi Islam worldwide which is fraught with violence, murder and bloodshed against the non-Muslims. They spend billions of dollars on madrasses in Pakistan who in turn produce killer machines in the name of Islam. Iran on their part are more civilized muslims and somehow peace loving but are still heavily involved the in persecution of religious minorities in their country.

This is Islamic propaganda

This is Islamic propaganda



I asked you a simple question which you have failed to answer. If after the New Zealand attack, a pastor go to his pulpit to condemn the attack but at the same time tell his congregation that Jesus is the only son of God and that Mohammed is a false prophet, how will Muslims react?

The liberals and the leftists are the ones promoting vices around the western world. The Christian in the US and Europe as still being regarded as 'conservatives and evangelicals' because of their view which are often against the so-called liberal progressive views. Over 80% of leftist and atheist identified as atheist and they are sympathetic to anything that goes against the Judaeo-christian values such as pornography, LGBT, feminism and their so-called 'human and animal right'. The leftist and the atheist are also the greatest supporters of Islam in the US and Europe. See links below:
https://askdrbrown.org/library/liberals-misguided-love-affair-islam
https://unherd.com/2018/04/many-left-wing-progressives-protest-pope-silent-islams-totalitarian-tendencies-victims-cowardice-overwhelmingly-women/
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-liberals-called-leftists-when-liberals-love-Islam-while-communists-hate-all-religions
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10091/muslims-liberals-leftists

The same leftist who hate Christianity, promotes vices around the world, are 100% sympathetic to Islam. The question begs, what is the plans of the US atheist and liberals? Why are they siding with Islam and are against Christianity? And FYA, the US academic, politics, sports and entertainment are controlling controlled by the liberals and the atheist and not the CHURCH.


I don't buy that. You guys should take responsibility for your actions and stop the blame games. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for the battle of karbala which resulted into the split of Islam into the Sunni and the shia. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for the apostate war immediately after the death of Mohammed. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for killing the grandson of the prophet who dies in the hands of the Sunnis Muslims. The Judaeo-christian world is not the responsible for the current persecution of Christians in the middle east. The Judaeo-christian world is not the responsible with the current diplomatic stand-off between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Even in some occasions whereby the CIA trained Muslim militia to fight fellow Muslims, why are Muslims so naive to fall for that trap? Why cant muslims put their house in order for more than 1400 years?

true2god post=7803 3972:
I have seen this pattern over and over again; anytime there is Muslim terror attack, blame the Jews and enemies of Islam and not the Muslims who carry out the attack. The Muslims are, by default, innocent (no matter the type of crime they commit) and must never take responsibility and must be the fault of the kafir. This is a siege mentality.


Peace TV has already been banned in India after the India terror attack last 2 years and Zakir Naik was wanted for India for questioning after the Indian terror attack. Why was his 'crime'? The Indian Muslim terrorist said he was inspired by the sermons of Zakir Naik to carry out the attack. The Sri lankan government did the right thing by banning any person or activity that can be a catalyst for another terror.

It is clear that Muslims don't take responsibility for the action of their people against the kafir; it must be the fault of the Jews or the Americans.

usermane:
Homosexuality

Some comments have surfaced so far addressing the list, supporting execution or punishing homosexuals. Here is where these comments err.

1. However immoral homosexuality may be, killing homosexuals is more immoral. Death sentence is justifiable only for murder, an homosexual has not even hurt anyone.

2. Common logic dictates a lesser crime like homosexuality befit a penalty lesser than the penalty for a greater crime like murder. A homosexual under a system founded on justice shouldn't face the same penalty as a murderer.