Rashduct4luv:
Abu Abdallah, Jazaak Allahu khayran for this reminder.

Islaam is a pure religion and thus emphasizes greatly on the preservation and purity of one’s lineage. This is maintained by having no involvement from a third person. A child’s parents are his father and mother.

I read a post here where a gay guy wanted a kid and had to go for surrogacy with his mum. Hence, his mother became the mother of her own grandchild.

What a confused world!

Key word from the OP's post in red above.

In Summary, Renting wombs is haram and artificial insemination may be permitted if only the couple is involved in the process without a third party.

Maa sha Allah Sheikh

That is different from surrogate

Guest007:


What is the womb giving the child, is blood exchanged? What I love about Islam... not. Most Muslims, but Islam is if you wonder and reflect and try to understand first before jumping on it. Islam is Wisdom jor

Someone answer my question! Was blood exchange between child 'host' because if it has then technically, yall are like blood related

Your source is Wikipedia

Op... what about wet nurses. They breast feed the child isn't that a third party?

Arab hypocrisy shining through

, you said my mind

Rashduct4luv:


You know as a Shiite you support temporary marriage so renting of wombs won't be a problem to you guys!

Womb is part of the reproductive system. So renting it out is haram.

Lukgaf:
In the Name of Allaah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

As-salaamu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullaahi wa-barakaatuh.

It is important to understand that it is Allaah Ta’aala who grants couples children and it is He who deprives them of children. Consider the following verse:

يَهَبُ لِمَنْ يَشَاءُ إِنَاثًا وَيَهَبُ لِمَنْ يَشَاءُ الذُّكُورَ (49) أَوْ يُزَوِّجُهُمْ ذُكْرَانًا وَإِنَاثًا وَيَجْعَلُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ عَقِيمًا إِنَّهُ عَلِيمٌ قَدِيرٌ

Translation: He grants to whomever He so wills female offspring and He grants to whomever He so wills male offspring. Or He bestows (upon some) both males and females. And He makes barren whomever He so wills. Indeed, He is All-Knowing, All-mighty. (Ash-Shooraa v.49-50)

Islaam is a pure religion and thus emphasizes greatly on the preservation and purity of one’s lineage. This is maintained by having no involvement from a third person. A child’s parents are his father and mother.

Accordingly, surrogacy or the involvement of a third person in reproduction is not permissible[1].

If a couple is unable to bear children, they should firstly turn to Allaah Ta’aala with the following du’aa:

رَبِّ هَبْ لِي مِن لَّدُنْكَ ذُرِّيَّةً طَيِّبَةً إِنَّكَ سَمِيعُ الدُّعَاءِ
(Robbi abli min ladunka dhuriyyatan toyyibatan innaka semiu l dua

This is the du’aa of Sayyiduna Zakariyyaa (‘Alaihis salaam) when he was faced with a similar situation. Allaah Ta’aala accepted his du’aas despite his old age and barren wife.

Alternatively, a couple may consider adoption. That is indeed a virtuous deed.



And Allaah Ta’aala Knows Best.

By: Muajul I. Chowdhury via https://jamiat.org.za/surrogacy-permissible-or-not/

Could you please help to advise in this?

As - As couples that are still considering to marry.
They want to opt for prenatal diagnosis that may lead to abortion if fetus is found out to be ss....

Islam is too rigid. Why use phone and internet. Did abraham not use surogate

People come up with this opinion did it by simple reasoning and application of Quran.

If wet nursing is permissible, I really don't see why gestational surrogacy cannot be. The gestational surrogate does not share genes or DNA with the baby. The baby is formed with actual mother's egg and the father's sperm. However, traditional surrogacy may be haram because it involves the father's sperm and the surrogate's eggs.

Attacking Western civilization is quite silly. Every culture has contributed to it one way or the other. Arab civilization is not all that either. You could stop using internet etc to show your disdain for it.

Rashduct4luv:


Renting wombs is one of the innovations of western civilization, which is a purely materialistic civilization which does not give any weight to moral values and principles. The issue is not things that may affect inherited characteristics or confuse lineage; that is not the point of the shar’i ruling. Whether that leads to any effect on inherited characteristics or not, whether that results in confusion of lineage or not, it does not matter, because the shar’i ruling forbidding this innovation is based on something else, which is that the womb is a part of a woman’s private parts and the private parts (i.e., sexual relations) are not permissible except through the shar’i contract whose conditions are fully met. So the womb is exclusively for the husband who is married to that woman according to a valid marriage contract, and no one else has any right to use it for an alien pregnancy. If the woman who rents out her womb is not married to that husband, then she is permitting her private parts and her womb to a man who is a stranger to her; she is not permissible for him and he is not permissible for her. Even if this is not full-scale zinaa (adultery), it is still definitely haraam because it is enabling a man who is a stranger to her (i.e., not married to her) to put his semen in her womb.

Dr. ‘Abd al-‘Azeem al-Mat’ani, al-Azhaar University

Guest007:


What is the womb giving the child, is blood exchanged? What I love about Islam... not. Most Muslims, but Islam is if you wonder and reflect and try to understand first before jumping on it. Islam is Wisdom jor

Someone answer my question! Was blood exchange between child 'host' because if it has then technically, yall are like blood related

Your source is Wikipedia

Op... what about wet nurses. They breast feed the child isn't that a third party?

Arab hypocrisy shining through

Ones you've being breastfed by a third woman,she is now family,and ur families cannot marry one another

Joromi12:
Islam is too rigid. Why use phone and internet. Did abraham not use surogate

Islam is not rigid. In fact it is a religion that fit all ages. For a fact, there is no single direct evidence from the Quran or hadith where surrogacy has been forbidden. It's permissibility or impermissiblility is in line with the view of various Muslim school of thought. In this thread, two opinions (one against, and one for) have been stated.

tintingz:
Ignorance!

Enlighten yourself,

Gestational surrogacy may take a number of forms, but in each form the resulting child is genetically unrelated to the surrogate: the embryo is created using the intended father's sperm and the intended mother's eggs. The resulting child is genetically related to both intended parents. Source

Also Here

You’re the ignorant one.


Genetics is a very big word under which you find DNA.

You need to read more about DNA. Ordinary extra marital sex deposits a bit of the guy’s DNA in the lady through the sperm, bread milk shares DNA let alone someone carrying the fetus for 9whole months.

Your unique DNA is what makes your lineage once it is contaminated by a third party DNA then it is no more pure.

Guest007:


What is the womb giving the child, is blood exchanged? What I love about Islam... not. Most Muslims, but Islam is if you wonder and reflect and try to understand first before jumping on it. Islam is Wisdom jor

Someone answer my question! Was blood exchange between child 'host' because if it has then technically, yall are like blood related

Your source is Wikipedia

Op... what about wet nurses. They breast feed the child isn't that a third party?

Arab hypocrisy shining through

Blood doesn’t necessarily have to be involved before DNA is shared. Any body fluid carries DNA.


Sperm deposits DNA even in the mother let alone the child. As long as a mans sperm enters the woman’s body then she carries the mans DNA for life. The more men she has sex with the more of different DNA strings that can be found in her body.

Breast milk also carries the mothers DNA.

So third party Surrogacy also involves a lot of body fluids exchange for 9months.

You still have not given a definitive reason or rationale regarding surrogacy. How can something be viewed negatively if it did not exist in the time of the prophet?

Debaiz:

Your unique DNA is what makes your lineage once it is contaminated by a third party DNA then it is no more pure.

this was actually my point. I don't believe surrogacy has to do with Zina as this has to do with physical evidence which is not the case. But lineage is very questionable.

Debaiz:



Blood doesn’t necessarily have to be involved before DNA is shared. Any body fluid carries DNA.


Sperm deposits DNA even in the mother let alone the child. As long as a mans sperm enters the woman’s body then she carries the mans DNA for life. The more men she has sex with the more of different DNA strings that can be found in her body.

Breast milk also carries the mothers DNA.

So third party Surrogacy also involves a lot of body fluids exchange for 9months.

Which medical school did you go to? If you did It
Needs to be burned to the ground.

MissRaine69:

Which medical school did you go to? If you did It
Needs to be burned to the ground.

haba...nitori kini?. Even medical schools have different opinions and different approaches to a medical procedure. They carry out their differences without burning down one another building to the ground

Debaiz:


You’re the ignorant one.


Genetics is a very big word under which you find DNA.

You need to read more about DNA. Ordinary extra marital sex deposits a bit of the guy’s DNA in the lady through the sperm, bread milk shares DNA let alone someone carrying the fetus for 9whole months.

Your unique DNA is what makes your lineage once it is contaminated by a third party DNA then it is no more pure.

Read the article, the cell or blood from the surrogate mother is small to form a gene in the baby, there's no effect.

Sperm and eggs of the intended parents are collected, this way it becomes the DNA/gene.

Empiree:
haba...nitori kini?. Even medical schools have different opinions and different approaches to a medical procedure. They carry out their differences without burning down one another building to the ground

The core foundation of medicine is universal what differs is availability of resources.
That school still needs burning.

MissRaine69:
You still have not given a definitive reason or rationale regarding surrogacy. How can something be viewed negatively if it did not exist in the time of the prophet?

Muslim life is govern or suppose to be govern by the Shari'a. Shari'a is the speech of the Legislator (Allah swt) concerning the action of servant (Man/Jinn). All actions are sanctioned and require evidence from the Legislator (Allah swt).

Surrogacy is an action hence need evidence of its permission from Allah (swt) and the fact that there is none confirm that it is not permissible.

AlBaqir:


Islam is not rigid. In fact it is a religion that fit all ages. For a fact, there is no single direct evidence from the Quran or hadith where surrogacy has been forbidden. It's permissibility or impermissiblility is in line with the view of various Muslim school of thought. In this thread, two opinions (one against, and one for) have been stated.

Brother this is not the case. All actions are sanctioned by the Shari'a which is the speech of the legislator regarding Man/Jinn actions. In other word in Islam before you carryout any action you must have the evidence of its permissibility.

Muslim life is govern or suppose to be govern by the Shari'a. Shari'a is the speech of the Legislator (Allah swt) concerning the action of servant (Man/Jinn). All actions are sanctioned and require evidence from the Legislator (Allah swt).

Surrogacy is an action hence need evidence of its permissibility from Allah (swt) and the fact that there is none confirm that it is not permissible.

Joromi12:
Islam is too rigid. Why use phone and internet. Did abraham not use surogate

No Islam is not rigid. Phone and Internet are results of technological development called Madaniyya in Islam and Islam encourage research and development and also permit the use of the product.

No. Ibrahim (as) did not use surrogate. He married a second wife and Muslims are allowed to marry up to 4 wives.

YakubuA:


Muslim life is govern or suppose to be govern by the Shari'a. Shari'a is the speech of the Legislator (Allah swt) concerning the action of servant (Man/Jinn). All actions are sanctioned and require evidence from the Legislator (Allah swt).

Surrogacy is an action hence need evidence of its permission from Allah (swt) and the fact that there is none confirm that it is not permissible.

Right using that argument
Why does Saudi Arabia have a Space programme? Is there evidence to support space travel?

YakubuA:


Brother this is not the case. All actions are sanctioned by the Shari'a which is the speech of the legislator regarding Man/Jinn actions. In other word in Islam before you carryout any action you must have the evidence of its permissibility.

Muslim life is govern or suppose to be govern by the Shari'a. Shari'a is the speech of the Legislator (Allah swt) concerning the action of servant (Man/Jinn). All actions are sanctioned and require evidence from the Legislator (Allah swt).

Surrogacy is an action hence need evidence of its permissibility from Allah (swt) and the fact that there is none confirm that it is not permissible.

Allah and His Prophet warn as per laws of Halal and Haram:


And, for what your tongues describe, do not utter the lie, (saying) This is lawful and this is unlawful, in order to forge a lie against Allah; surely those who forge the lie against Allah shall not prosper." (Surah An-Nahl, Verse 116)

And Imam Abu’l Hasan Ali Daraqutni documents:

Abu Tha’laba reported:

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, Allah has made duties obligatory, so do not neglect them. He has set limits, so do not transgress them. He has made some things sacred, so do no violate them. He has remained silent upon matters as mercy for you, not out of forgetfulness, so do not search them out.”


Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Ibn Al-Qayyim

 Source: Ali ibn Umar Ad-Daraqutni, Sunan al-Dāraquṭnī (Dar Muhyid, 1422 A.H) Hadith #4316

http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?flag=1&bk_no=76&ID=4213

MissRaine69:

Right using that argument
Why does Saudi Arabia have a Space programme? Is there evidence to support space travel?

Yes there is evidence for that. Islam encourage us engage in research and development in Science and Technology for the benefit of humanity. And space exploration is for that. In addition it will also strengthen our faith in the creator of this gigantic universe.

YakubuA:


Yes there is evidence for that. Islam encourage us engage in research and development in Science and Technology for the benefit of humanity. And space exploration is for that. In addition it will also strengthen our faith in the creator of this gigantic universe.

Evidence to support the Big Bang very good, creationism make no sense.
Secondly what is the evidence to support a space programme and the possibility of life on other planets? Care to share?

AlBaqir:



Allah and His Prophet warn as per laws of Halal and Haram:


And, for what your tongues describe, do not utter the lie, (saying) This is lawful and this is unlawful, in order to forge a lie against Allah; surely those who forge the lie against Allah shall not prosper." (Surah An-Nahl, Verse 116)

And Imam Abu’l Hasan Ali Daraqutni documents:

Abu Tha’laba reported:

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, Allah has made duties obligatory, so do not neglect them. He has set limits, so do not transgress them. He has made some things sacred, so do no violate them. He has remained silent upon matters as mercy for you, not out of forgetfulness, so do not search them out.”


Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Ibn Al-Qayyim

 Source: Ali ibn Umar Ad-Daraqutni, Sunan al-Dāraquṭnī (Dar Muhyid, 1422 A.H) Hadith #4316

http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?flag=1&bk_no=76&ID=4213

All your quotations are correct. But how do we interpret these quotations? We look at how the Sahaba (RA) lived their lives. It is known to every Muslim by necessity that the Sahaba (RA) never engaged in any action until they sought about its permissiblity from the Prophet (saw). And nobody understand Islam more than the Prophet (saw) whom Allah (swt) told us that his Sahaba (RA) are the best generation of mankind.
So if your interpretation and understanding differ than the Sahaba(RA), Tabi'i or Tabi'i Tabi'i then your interpretation and understanding is wrong.

MissRaine69:

Evidence to support the Big Bang very good, creationism make no sense.
Secondly what is the evidence to support a space programme and the possibility of life on other planets? Care to share?

Yes there is evidence for the big bang in the Qur'an. In fact the big bang itself confirm the existence of the Creator.

There are several verses of the Qur'an where Allah(swt) draw our attentions to His creations of which include the celestial bodies in space and the universe as a whole. All the verses are evidences of His permissibility for us to research, explore and be fully convince of His existence rationally. This is because He is unlimited, beyond time and space so all our faculties cannot comprehend Him except either through rational thinking or by textual revelation. And hence He granted every man the capability of rational thinking in order to convince oneself about His existence.

YakubuA:


Yes there is evidence for the big bang in the Qur'an. In fact the big bang itself confirm the existence of the Creator.

There are several verses of the Qur'an where Allah(swt) draw our attentions to His creations of which include the celestial bodies in space and the universe as a whole. All the verses are evidences of His permissibility for us to research, explore and be fully convince of His existence rationally. This is because He is unlimited, beyond time and space so all our faculties cannot comprehend Him except either through rational thinking or by textual revelation. And hence He granted every man the capability of rational thinking in order to convince oneself about His existence.

So who created the Creator?

MissRaine69:
You still have not given a definitive reason or rationale regarding surrogacy. How can something be viewed negatively if it did not exist in the time of the prophet?

They never do. I think a man's sperm with his wife's egg in another woman should be okay but using another sperm or egg, requires you to have the child know who their other siblings are. What if you were an egg and you end up marrying your brother from the donor. Islam is common sense. I could see where surrogacy unchecked can be Haram. A child has a right to its biological lineage for many reasons!

MissRaine69:


So who created the Creator?

Think about it. The Creator was not created because if He was created then He would not have been Creator but a creature. But we call Him Creator so He must not have been created by definition. This is rational thinking.

Guest007:


They never do. I think a man's sperm with his wife's egg in another woman should be okay but using another sperm or egg, requires you to have the child know who their other siblings are. What if you were an egg and you end up marrying your brother from the donor. Islam is common sense. I could see where surrogacy unchecked can be Haram. A child has a right to its biological lineage for many reasons!

Exactly
Someone also needs to explain DNA to him . Secondly they have IVF and donor egg faculties in the Middle East.

YakubuA:


Think about it. The Creator was not created because if He was created then He would not have been Creator but a creature. But we call Him Creator so He must not have been created by definition. This is rational thinking.

That’s not a rational explanation it’s what I call an evasive attempt to explain what you don’t have answer for.

MissRaine69:

Which medical school did you go to? If you did It
Needs to be burned to the ground.

Your response alone has given you away as a non medical student so you have no moral right whatsoever to attempt burning any school down.


A comment was made as a medical person if you are(obviously you’re not) should give a your contrary opinion based on facts rather than attempting to burn a school.


What a laughable submission. Let’s hear your opinion on it rather than castigate or are you afraid it may be too stupid for the internet to accommodate?