shadeyinka:

Please not yet Sir! Have a little restrain!

alBHAGDADI:

Maximus69:

I'm only taking you up as a friend to chat with tactfully, but when it come to those who just feel like arguing, insulting, cursing and agitating on what God himself will judge, i'll just take my leave! Proverbs 17:14
He said i can't discuss with you, that's why i first tell you the rules guiding friendly discuss before we begin this!

alBHAGDADI:

Maximus69:

I'm only taking you up as a friend to chat with tactfully, but when it come to those who just feel like arguing, insulting, cursing and agitating on what God himself will judge, i'll just take my leave! Proverbs 17:14
He said i can't discuss with you, that's why i first tell you the rules guiding friendly discuss before we begin this!

shadeyinka:

I don't understand your distinction between "Physical Demons" and "Spiritual Demons".
I am speaking of the kind of casting out of demons that Jesus or the Apostles did in the scriptures!
So the question again:
1. Have you ever been used by God to cast out a demon?
2. Do you know any contemporary believer who has been used of God to cast out demons?
error noted: modified

Maximus69:
You need to first understand the situation of the Israelites back in Jesus' days before you can grasp what actually happened!
The demons came into the land after the people had brought in foreign idols with all sort of spirits[demons] and by the time Jesus arrived the demons have turned many to madmen.
Today what TRUE Christians are doing is casting out the bad spirits that is causing or leading people towards destruction! Galatians 5:19-21
The Christians have expelled the spirits leading people into all these acts and restored in their hearts the spirit of God bearing fruits befitting God's Children. Galatians 5:22-23
Any spectacular show of expelling demons today is just a stage drama courtesy Satan, the demons and their human agents to deceive people into thinking that true Christians must also be doing the same thing! So unbelievers will continue quarrelling with true Christians, trying to find faults with them by quoting their man-made tradition. Paul said against those bearing the fruitage of God's holy spirit THERE IS NO LAW! Galatians 5:23
Well that is my own PERSONAL resolve!

shadeyinka:

I'll like you to not comment again.
You may ask him any question after we (Maximus69 and I) have finished comparing our scripture comprehension notes.

Please make me a promise right now!



What we are having now is just a friendly discuss!

We may not be able to continue if you interject like this.

Thanks: stay blessed

alBHAGDADI:


Ok I promise.



But know that he will run away when the floor is open. Tell him to also promise not to run away.

shadeyinka:

I am glad you seem to agree that demons and their human agents still exist in our generation like that encountered by Paul even though you also insinuated that demons afflict only Jews due to their idolatry. This need clarification!
Acts 16:16-18: " And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which show unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour."
In other words just as Paul casted out the spirit of divination, we are to still cast them out! Abi, what do you think?
THE TWO QUESTIONS AGAIN!

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I don't understand your distinction between "Physical Demons" and "Spiritual Demons".
I am speaking of the kind of casting out of demons that Jesus or the Apostles did in the scriptures!
So the question again:
1. Have you ever been used by God to cast out a demon?
2. Do you know any contemporary believer who has been used of God to cast out demons?
error noted: modified
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alBHAGDADI:


Ok I promise.



But know that he will run away when the floor is open. Tell him to also promise not to run away.

Maximus69:

Let me expatiate on my post!
Throughout the earth only the land of Israel is cleansed of demons as God told the Israelite to drive away the demons with a sacrifice [Leviticus 16:10-26] to signify that God's angels are about to start monitoring the inhabitant of Canaan [the land promised to Abraham their forefather].

Maximus69:

God warned them not to bring in any foreign God to prevent the demons from coming back. All other nations are worshiping demons as Gods [1Corinthians 10:20] so the demons only work as false protectors, magical acts, foretellers and fortunetellers. In all those lands the spirits aren't fierce in their dealings with the people because their ancestors have been worshipers of these demons therefore they know how to appease such spirits. But Israelites have no standing with these demons neither do they know how to appease them because their own God gave laws that forbids all what they can be doing to maintain and sustain cordiality between them and the demons! So when these spirits had the chance to enter their land after God's angels have deserted the land, they afflicted the people with all sort of things!

Maximus69:

That is why Jesus needed to CAST THEM OUT, but in other lands where the inhabitants knows how to deal with demons and believe these spirits are doing them favour, you dare not cast out the spirit that's bringing them GAIN! Act 16:16-24

Maximus69:

Today, all what they're calling CASTING OUT DEMONS is just stage dramas because the demons have been here for ages and that is what our ancestors worshiped in the past as Gods, so there is no sense in casting out demons who have all their shrines in one place after another all around our neighbourhood!
What the book of Revelations says is that the demons will be angry and causing people to hate one another and killing one another, [Revelations 16:14 ]NOT just dramatising in places of worship!
That is my own PERSONAL conclusion on that Sir!

shadeyinka:

I am not sure where you got this for Lev16:10-26 is about Atonement for sin/transgression. There is nothing suggesting demon there. In the old testament, there was no single episode of deliverance. The closest we had to deliverance is a relieve from demonic oppression

1Sam 16:23: "And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took a harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him."
David had to play anytime Saul was disturbed.


Other than this was execution for those polluted with idolatry or burning with fire the accursed things.


There is no scriptural evidence that Angels left the land of Israel neither is there evidence that Angels permanently dwelt in the land of Israel.




You need to know that no power except of that of/from Christ can cast out any demon. What can be done include
a. Appeasement
b. Replacement or Substitution

Only Jesus and His disciples CAST OUT demons!

In the days of Christ, demons were in Israel and other nations
After the Christ, demons still existed in Israel and other nations

Are demons not presently working in people in our contemporary time?




The demon of divination Paul cast out was not done in Israel but in a Greek city. Hence your proposition doesn't hold.

Acts 16:14,16:
"And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira ,which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. … And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:"


I couldn't but laugh at the bolded.

If Paul could cast out the spirit of divination from a damsel in the city of Thyatira, what stops Christians from going throughout the world in the authority of Christ Jesus to cast out demons.

If the demons in Africa have been here for ages, are they beyond the power of Christ Jesus?

The book of Revelation show that demonic activities would be more prevalent.

Casting out of Demons is more real than you think?


From your write-up, can I conclude that for my two questions


1. Have you ever been used by God to cast out a demon?
Your answer is NO!?
2. Do you know any contemporary believer who has been used of God to cast out demons?
Your answer is also NO!?


If this opinion is correct, can I proceed with my next question?

Maximus69:
Good evening.
Let me start by asking 'when God created man, where did he purposed as man's home, heaven or earth?'

Maximus69:
It's just my PERSONAL resolve that is expressed in my write~up, so your opinion remains yours and mine remains mine!
Remember it's not about CORRECTING what you and i believe, but PRESENTATIONS of what each of us concluded after reading, studying, meditating and prayerfully correlating all these with what we heard from other sources!
As regards the NO response you're correct Sir, that is my answer to your two questions!

0ppa:

You were ex-military bro. My story has some atom of semblance with yours. It is nice to see what you do here, brother.

Maximus69:
Thanks brother, please it's just a one on one discussion with my friend here. So we are not entertaining any third party.
What we will appreciate is just likes and shares from followers.
Agape!

shadeyinka:

Anyone of us can have a different opinion but the bible is still the standard. If either of us differ from what is clearly written, the other should correct in love. If on closer study, we find out that the supposed correction is not right in the light of the full gospel, we discard it.

Maximus69:
There can NEVER be a correction when two persons have contrary opinions without one NOTICING the higher intellect of the other!
That is what led to countless religious groups all claiming Christians with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings, A refuses to acknowledge that B has a wiser presentation so let's leave the correction out of our discussion for now. Each person can see if what he is saying produces good fruit or just saying what people likes to here without any practical application or lasting benefit!

shadeyinka:

Knowing that, It is one thing to have an ability (authority, empowerment) BUT it is another to use or be able to use such the ability.
Do think you have been empowered by Jesus to cast out demons?

shadeyinka:


NEXT QUESTION:
When you go out to preach and you encounter a person who is Demonized, what is your remedy? In other words, How do you solve the problem of a person who is clearly possessed of a demon in the cause of preaching and teaching the word of God?

Maximus69:
The spirit of preaching and teaching is enough for me Sir, and i have used it to help many start a good life now with hope of everlasting life in the future!
I am not interested in performing signs but doing what is required to gain everlasting life!
I don't have any business with demons, and i've told you the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS that has worked in almost all the earth within the organization i associate with for the benefit of adherents. Isaiah 48:1-18
So if you know about demons and you feel like casting them out, it's a welcome development.
But i'm not seeing anything virtue in people with the spirit of RACISM and ETHNIC discriminations, driving them to kill one another because of POLITICS! Isaiah 2:2-4

shadeyinka:

When you cast out a demon, what you have done is setting the person free from demonic affliction.

Every Christian should follow his Master and Lord's example (in love) for that is what makes us His disciples indeed.


Mat 4:24:
"And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them."

Here is the Ministry of Christ Jesus
Isa 61:1:
"The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;"

Teaching and Preaching enough!?
Is it because there is no Authority of Christ backing you up or Lack of Faith?



@bolded 2:
Whenever Jesus casted out demons, where do they go? Is it to cause wars, racism and ethnic discriminations because of politics?

Since you obviously cannot cast out demons, you prefer to leave a Demonized bound and Oppressed by demons rather than do what Christ would have done..
Or, what really are you saying?

Maximus69:

FAITH is the assured EXPECTATION of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities THOUGH NOT SEEN! Hebrew 11:1
This is the definition of Apostle Paul Sir, and to the best of my understanding, it's what i'm working towards without SEEING anything[something that must be visible] that he is referring to as FAITH!
So if my ministry is bringing happiness to the homes of adherents of what i preach and teach. I'm fully satisfied and CERTIFIED! Galatians 5:22-23

shadeyinka:

[/b]The ministry of Jesus is divided into three major parts
1. Preaching and Teaching the Word
2. Healing the Sick
3. Casting out Demons
I understand that you believe that Healing and Casting out demons have ceased.

Paul shows that he was not just preaching philosophy because Jesus Christ validated his ministry Just as the Father validated the ministry of Jesus with signs.

[b]1Cor 2:4:
"And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:"


The bible says in the last days, apart from the ungodliness that will permeate the earth, many would be religious (having a form of godliness) but denying the power in the gospel to Save, to Heal and to Deliver from the power of darknesd

2Tim 3:5:
"Having a form of godliness , but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."


Part of the problem emanating from those who believe that Miracles, Signs and Spiritual gifts have ceased is that Jesus didnt specifically commission them and that Jesus commissioned only the 12: disciples.

Mat 10:1: "And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease."

But, what is required is not an expresd commission BUT Faith in Christ. In Mark 9:38-39, we see someone who was never part of the Apostles but doing the work of Christ with power.
But what did Jesus say: Forbid him NOT.

Mar 9:38-39:
"And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbade him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me."

Everyone who believes have the Powerband Authority of Christ. But unbelieve can be caused by doctrines that negate operating in the power of Christ.

Mar 16:17-18:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS

shadeyinka:

[b]IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS

Maximus69:
NO i don't have any more questions for you!
I think both of us have made enough PRESENTATIONS of what we believe.
I don't know if you still have any further questions, but as for me i'm OK!
Let all other followers read through our presentations now so that whoever have anything to ask can do so.
As for me, i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses [Watchtower Global family]
So if any follower have questions after reading through these presentations, let him approach my brothers and sisters coming to knock on their doors for further explanations. Jehovah's Witnesses have one faith throughout the earth! Ephesians 4:5
I will only attend to questions from Mr alBHAGDADI and you, as the three of us knows the rules guiding our tactful friendly discussions!
Good morning!

alBHAGDADI:


1. How does one get saved?

2. Can one lose the salvation?

Maximus69:

Good morning Sir, i hope we respectfully and tactfully make PRESENTATIONS of our beliefs without any contentious acts. There is no need to CORRECT one other views and there is no reason to abuse, insult , curse, agitate or argue over our differences.
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. So may i know the group to which you belong?

alBHAGDADI:

Just answer the question. All I need is an answer. I might not even react to it.