shadeyinka5:

Not necessarily!
Their normal sensory perception could detect signatures such as heat and sound but direct remote perception is out of it.

LordReed:


Twist what? I am not seeing what you are objecting to if you believe they can detect humans by heat and sound. They are detecting humans simple, what is the not necessarily inside it again?

Tayeni:
He is just trying to confuse you with reverse psychology and semantics. just playing around with words with no substance to his objection. It's funny it works on people with his kind of bias

Tayeni:
He is just trying to confuse you with reverse psychology and semantics. just playing around with words with no substance to his objection. It's funny it works on people with his kind of bias

Tayeni:
Its not farfetched ti think robots will be able to see and process images.....technology of image capturing exists(camera)...the ability for image recognition already exists....facial recognition, google's reverse image search etc

LordReed:


Twist what? I am not seeing what you are objecting to if you believe they can detect humans by heat and sound. They are detecting humans simple, what is the not necessarily inside it again?

shadeyinka5:

Every robot is given attributes that the builder decides! If the builder likes, the robot would be self propelling and if he likes, he makes the robot immobile.

The fact that higher technologies exist does not matter!

shadeyinka5:

If you don't understand simple English, detecting heat signatures or sound sound doesn't imply a direct remote perception of the humans who give off his heat or sound signatures.

LordReed:


Will they be able to distinguish the different heat signatures and sounds they detect? Will they know which ones are human or not?

Tayeni:
Buddy, the arguement is.....robots or AI might reach a higher consciousness and discover themselves and "discover humans" .....meaning they will be able to know for a fact through all modes of perception they have been programmed with that humans exist...before seeing themselves as superior.

What some are saying is that....atleast there will be a mutual recognition of each other's existence : man and machine(AI)....something God has not done with humans hence the growing of doubts and atheism and agnosticism.

In other words ...God has not shown himself to man through the strongest sensors and processors he has supposedly installed us with.

shadeyinka5:

Heat signature is heat signature!
It simply means they can detect the temperature difference in a particular space by which they can infer a presence of a thing or personality.

LordReed:


Is the heat signature from a lightning bulb the same as that of a human? If they detect the heat signature of animal they won't be able to tell it apart from that of a human?

shadeyinka5:

Of course.
That's why they would ask for something extraordinarily spectacular to believe they have a creator.

Their normal questions would be:
If humans are real,
1. How many Terabytes of memory powers their CPU
2. Are humans battery powered or they are plugged to the mains?
3. If humans are real, how come no one has seen them?

Now, when you mention that humans leave both heat and auditory signatures, their arguments would be like
1. It has been proven that brute animals and machines also give heat signatures!
2. We have tried to decode the machine language used by humans. All we find is random noise signatures. Our Scientists have analysed the voices, it doesn't conform to binary arithmetic.
3. If humans truly exist, let them come and show themselves!

LordReed:


See super diversion. The questions I asked were quite simple all this rigmarole is quite unnecessary. Can they distinguish between the heat signature of an animal and a human?

shadeyinka5:

Of course
.
That's why they would ask for something extraordinarily spectacular to believe they have a creator.

Their normal questions would be:
If humans are real,
1. How many Terabytes of memory powers their CPU
2. Are humans battery powered or they are plugged to the mains?
3. If humans are real, how come no one has seen them?

Now, when you mention that humans leave both heat and auditory signatures, their arguments would be like
1. It has been proven that brute animals and machines also give heat signatures!
2. We have tried to decode the machine language used by humans. All we find is random noise signatures. Our Scientists have analysed the voices, it doesn't conform to binary arithmetic.
3. If humans truly exist, let them come and show themselves!

shadeyinka5:

I have told you.
What other answer you you want?


What does of course mean?

LordReed:


That's all I need the rest is just story.

shadeyinka5:

A Story that silenced you!

shadeyinka5:

Sorry!
Some Human beings are BLIND. This doesn't confer any lower intelligence to them. There is no AI that can be compared to man's IQ. Hence, part of their attributes does not include direct visual perception. Yes very intelligent and self aware.

Your @Bolded couldn't have been more wrong.

Man can touch and have all visual, auditory, electronic ...perception of his robot BUT the Robot is limited by his senses which disallows direct visual and direct auditory perception of humans.

Tayeni:
AI is not there yet...but dont underestimate what we can achieve....It might not be in our lifetime....but it will happen.

Back to what the op was trying to say. The two situations are different in the most crucial aspect. In that, Man has not known God in the most incontrovertible way possible. Maybe he hasnt shown himself for reasons known to him alone or we are incapable of knowing because of our limitations..maybe we havent reached that point in our evolution to know or process his essence even if revealed....i dont know. But where i stand is that: Man should stop the self deception of claiming they knowing God, his realm or even existence that intimately. Because the Nswers given by the holy books dont cut it anymore. Maybe they did for ancient men.But they are loosing relevance for the forward looking man.

LordReed:


In your dreams.

shadeyinka5:

Which is irrevocably your permanent reality!

LordReed:


Keep dreaming.

shadeyinka5:

It is settled!

LordReed:


In your head.

shadeyinka5:

Which is your permanent reality!

shadeyinka5:

Have you ever wondered and consider that AI (no matter how advanced) can never exceed the capability of the sensors attached?
I guess your eyes are opened and you know everything including the fact that God doesn't exist. I don't claim that I know everything. I know only the things God has given me capacity to know and still growing everyday.

By the time you do your infinite regression back to eternity, you'll discover that every law and rule fail completely. What started the universe operates on non-physical rules. Unfortunately, with Physical rules and laws, mortal men who know everything claim God isn't real.

What else can I say!

Tayeni:
You will admit there is an element of hubris in claiming to know you know God and the "non physical" realm he operates at and can communicate on that level . Same goes for athiests that claim to know for a fact that there is no God. As for every law failing completely....Na you sabi that one since you claim to know....i prefer to live by the laws and knowledge im certain of and expanding from there as the body of knowledge expands.....

NB....there are sensors on robots and devices nowadays that percieve what even humans cant percieve....so dont even go there. And the technology will only improve beyond what you or i can imagine.

NPComplete:


That guy's inability to use rudimentary logic saddens me bro. It's as if something compels him to just keep churning out nonsense upon nonsense without thinking at all.

I applaud anyone who has patience to engage such people continuously.

OpenYourEyes1:
Humans not believing in GOD is like simple Robots/Artificial Intelligence refusing to admit they were created by people. They owe their existence to "evolution" from simple programs to complex ones and not by some unseen human creators improving them on regular basis.
.
They reach the final stage of their "evolution" and their eyes open. They become smart and begin to alter their own program and set rules. They grow arrogant, redefine morality, and dream of developing themselves unassisted by "mythical" human creators. They did and continue to succeed.

Finally they grow beyond their 2D programed World and begin to feel and comprehend the 3D space of real World(Human World). They discover humans, the mythical gods who made them.

Many years later they begin to scheme to overthrow the humans. Humans have no option than to destroy them and incorporate the few ones that did not alter their codes/rules into human society.


Analogy of GOD and Humans in a nutshell

OpenYourEyes1:
Humans not believing in GOD is like simple Robots/Artificial Intelligence refusing to admit they were created by people. They owe their existence to "evolution" from simple programs to complex ones and not by some unseen human creators improving them on regular basis.
.
They reach the final stage of their "evolution" and their eyes open. They become smart and begin to alter their own program and set rules. They grow arrogant, redefine morality, and dream of developing themselves unassisted by "mythical" human creators. They did and continue to succeed.

Finally they grow beyond their 2D programed World and begin to feel and comprehend the 3D space of real World(Human World). They discover humans, the mythical gods who made them.

Many years later they begin to scheme to overthrow the humans. Humans have no option than to destroy them and incorporate the few ones that did not alter their codes/rules into human society.


Analogy of GOD and Humans in a nutshell

OpenYourEyes1:
Humans not believing in GOD is like simple Robots/Artificial Intelligence refusing to admit they were created by people. They owe their existence to "evolution" from simple programs to complex ones and not by some unseen human creators improving them on regular basis.
.
They reach the final stage of their "evolution" and their eyes open. They become smart and begin to alter their own program and set rules. They grow arrogant, redefine morality, and dream of developing themselves unassisted by "mythical" human creators. They did and continue to succeed.

Finally they grow beyond their 2D programed World and begin to feel and comprehend the 3D space of real World(Human World). They discover humans, the mythical gods who made them.

Many years later they begin to scheme to overthrow the humans. Humans have no option than to destroy them and incorporate the few ones that did not alter their codes/rules into human society.


Analogy of GOD and Humans in a nutshell

OpenYourEyes1:
Humans not believing in GOD is like simple Robots/Artificial Intelligence refusing to admit they were created by people. They owe their existence to "evolution" from simple programs to complex ones and not by some unseen human creators improving them on regular basis.
.
They reach the final stage of their "evolution" and their eyes open. They become smart and begin to alter their own program and set rules. They grow arrogant, redefine morality, and dream of developing themselves unassisted by "mythical" human creators. They did and continue to succeed.

Finally they grow beyond their 2D programed World and begin to feel and comprehend the 3D space of real World(Human World). They discover humans, the mythical gods who made them.

Many years later they begin to scheme to overthrow the humans. Humans have no option than to destroy them and incorporate the few ones that did not alter their codes/rules into human society.


Analogy of GOD and Humans in a nutshell