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shadeyinka:
You know that this is a complete violation of 1Pt
1Pet 3:19: "By which also
he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

1Pet 4:6: "For for this cause was the
gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

1. If Jesus went AND preached what else can this mean?
2. If the dead are unconscious how come Jesus was able to preach to them?

Something is very wrong with your submission.



You got me wrong!
You said that Jesus went to preach to the angels who left their first estate, and I showed that their judgement and imprisonment continues to the day of judgement. If that is the case, those Jesus preached to could not be "the rogue angels" bit human spirits.


You have just preached your own theology! Look at the Scriptures again

1Pt 3:18-19
" ...when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah "
Was God waiting for the rogue angels to repent before He wiped out the earth with flood?

1. We all know that the tomb is on the surface of the earth. How come Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph 4:8-10:
"Why he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts to men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"

2. If the dead are unconscious, how come Jesus promised one of the thieves Crucified with him Paradise ?

Luk 23:42-43:
"And he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom. And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, To day shall you be with me in paradise."
Please mark the word : today

3. You will need to explain where the soul of Christ (or any dead) is after death. See what was reported of Jesus

Acts 2:31-32:
"He seeing this before spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses."


If Jesus body was in the tomb, where was His soul?

You are saying what you believe Sir and i am saying what i believe, so only God can determine whose belief is correct or wrong!
As for Jesus preaching, he was DEAD for three days and three nights so he couldn't do a single thing because both his body and soul was DEAD!
The preaching is about fallen angels who defaulted in Noah's days but were kept in dense darkness.
As for those dead that were preached to, this will happen during Christ's reign, all those resurrected will learn from Christians during the judgment day[1,000 years of Jesus' rule] this means Christians will be preaching and teaching resurrected ones all that Jesus taught them!
Jesus was in the tomb_grave_sheol_hades body and soul, hence God's word said Jesus' soul was NOT LEFT in the tomb! Act 2:31 Psalms 16:10

shadeyinka:
It shows you didn't read my post.

The Questions are numbered 1, 2 and 3

I love short and simple presentations, i don't have time for lengthy write-ups.
So just those three questions that's all!
Thanks Sir!

TATIME:
I love short and simple presentations, i don't have time for lengthy write-ups.
So just those three questions that's all!
Thanks Sir!

No wonder knowledge is far from you because you don't read. You only memorize what the JW Organisation told you to believe without even checking it out like the Berean Christians would have done.

I'm so sorry for you.

TATIME:
You are saying what you believe Sir and i am saying what i believe, so only God can determine whose belief is correct or wrong!
As for Jesus preaching, he was DEAD for three days and three nights so he couldn't do a single thing because both his body and soul was DEAD!

With questions and scrutiny, the truth is made public!

I have backed up my claim with the Scriptures!

TATIME:
The preaching is about fallen angels who defaulted in Noah's days but were kept in dense darkness.
As for those dead that were preached to, this will happen during Christ's reign, all those resurrected will learn from Christians during the judgment day[1,000 years of Jesus' rule] this means Christians will be preaching and teaching resurrected ones all that Jesus taught them!
Jesus was in the tomb_grave_sheol_hades body and soul, hence God's word said Jesus' soul was NOT LEFT in the tomb! Act 2:31 Psalms 16:10

I am not just saying what I believe, I am saying what the Scriptures is exactly saying.
BUT
You are still producing your memory verses instead of looking deep at what the word of truth is saying.
How come you couldn't answer the questions?

I will soon leave you to your folly: I have done my best to make you ask questions and NOT just swallow everything that is preached in the name of Christ.

From our little interactions, you would have seen that several things you hold as truth are not exactly true. Be like the Berean Christians and do independent study.

Shalom:
And may you truly find Christ and His word and be Sealed with His spirit with time in Jesus Name! Amen

shadeyinka:
No wonder knowledge is far from you because you don't read. You only memorize what the JW Organisation told you to believe without even checking it out like the Berean Christians would have done.

I'm so sorry for you.

Hmmmmmmmmm,
Of course i believe everything they teach because there is PRACTICAL and LOGICAL reasoning behind what they teach and since i don't know you nor see any logical reasoning in your lengthy write-up, you shouldn't expect me to believe you that have NO group to present as those PRACTICING what you're saying.
You're ECWA but even the ECWA members don't believe all what you're fabricating, so i'll prefer the GB whose teachings is practical and have succeeded in making millions unitedly PRACTICING what they are saying!

TATIME:
You are saying what you believe Sir and i am saying what i believe, so only God can determine whose belief is correct or wrong!

But you people turn yourself to God before by claiming ONLY JWs are the true Christians on earth.

I bet your organization will disagree with you on this your statement, well it seems some of you have began to come to your senses lately.

shadeyinka:
With questions and scrutiny, the truth is made public!

I have backed up my claim with the Scriptures!


I am not just saying what I believe, I am saying what the Scriptures is exactly saying.
BUT
You are still producing your memory verses instead of looking deep at what the word of truth is saying.
How come you couldn't answer the questions?

I will soon leave you to your folly: I have done my best to make you ask questions and NOT just swallow everything that is preached in the name of Christ.

From our little interactions, you would have seen that several things you hold as truth are not exactly true. Be like the Berean Christians and do independent study.

Shalom:
And may you truly find Christ and His word and be Sealed with His spirit with time in Jesus Name! Amen

Thanks for the prayer Sir, it's appreciated but you only need to present the practical application of your theory as in those practicing it so that i can see that your own Jesus is truly alive.
The Jesus of JWs is active and everyone can see what their Jesus is teaching in their lives, ministry and all other activities!
God bless you Sir!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm,
Of course i believe everything they teach because there is PRACTICAL and LOGICAL reasoning behind what they teach and since i don't know you nor see any logical reasoning in your lengthy write-up, you shouldn't expect me to believe you that have NO group to present as those PRACTICING what you're saying.
You're ECWA but even the ECWA members don't believe all what you're fabricating, so i'll prefer the GB whose teachings is practical and have succeeded in making millions unitedly PRACTICING what they are saying!

[highlight=yellow] I am praying for you. [/highlight]

One day, the holy Spirit will Locate you.
For you shall indeed know the truth and the truth shall set you free!

Shalom!



I think we should stop this discuss at this juncture!

Emusan:


But you people turn yourself to God before by claiming ONLY JWs are the true Christians on earth.

I bet your organization will disagree with you on this your statement, well it seems some of you have began to come to your senses lately.

As far as we're concerned, if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you're NOT worshiping our God!
That is what we're saying with our words, thoughts and actions. But it is you and your folks practicing INTERFAITH that misconstrued our stand as condemning you!
If you believe that you're worshiping the same God with all religious group claiming Christians, we don't!
That is why our God gave us a special name to distinguish us from all those claiming Christians! Isaiah 65:15

shadeyinka:
[highlight=yellow] I am praying for you. [/highlight]

One day, the holy Spirit will Locate you.
For you shall indeed know the truth and the truth shall set you free!

Shalom!



I think we should stop this discuss at this juncture!

The holy spirit is already permeating the assembly of those happily worshiping their God in ONE accord globally as a family! God bless you

TATIME:
As far as we're concerned, if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you're NOT worshiping our God!

At least it's your God and not the The living God of the universe.

That is what we're saying with our words, thoughts and actions. But it is you and your folks practicing INTERFAITH that misconstrued our stand as condemning you!

Imagine, we misconstrue it or you people say it openly even in your publication...that's another hypocrisy from the mister of hypocrite.

If you believe that you're worshiping the same God with all religious group claiming Christians, we don't!

Then why did you say only God knows the true belief...

Are you not saying you're God for you to know?

That is why our God gave us a special name to distinguish us from all those claiming Christians! Isaiah 65:15

Yet no early Christians ever addressed with such name but were all called CHRISTIAN which means Christlike.

TATIME:
Thanks for the prayer Sir, it's appreciated but you only need to present the practical application of your theory as in those practicing it so that i can see that your own Jesus is truly alive.
The Jesus of JWs is active and everyone can see what their Jesus is teaching in their lives, ministry and all other activities!
God bless you Sir!

TATIME:
The holy spirit is already permeating the assembly of those happily worshiping their God in ONE accord globally as a family! God bless you

2Tim 3:5:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

TATIME:
The holy spirit is already permeating the assembly of those happily worshiping their God in ONE accord globally as a family! God bless you

I told him to go out there and WORK for Jesus, but he thought facelessly arguing and insulting people on social media without SHOWING them the practical applications of what he is saying will make people start thinking arrogantly like him!
Even his ECWA people with whom he worships will tell him that the only organization they can SEE actively doing what Jesus said are JWs!
Let him go and discuss holy spirit talks with them if they will not tell him to get away telling him they don't have time for Bible talks. But Jehovah's Witnesses who have dedicated their lives to reading, studying, meditating, preaching and teaching all around his neighbourhood, he is saying 'they don't have holy spirit' i wonder if he could find just two of his ECWA members who will sit down to discuss Bible matters with him like Jehovah's Witnesses.
Even his so called born again brothers on Nairaland have been insulting, abusing and cursing one another after there happens to be friction in their fabrications!

shadeyinka:
2Tim 3:5:
"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

YES!
Carrying Bible openly and claiming born again Christians but not agreeing that worshipers of the same God must be moved by his holy spirit to worship in the same manner, yes Sir i have turned away from all of them!
For your information, that scriptural text is what made me abandoned Islam for the search of those worshiping One God in Spirit [without any noisy parades of showoff] and Truth [in harmony with God's word which is powerful enough to make them a family]

Maximus69:
YES!
Carrying Bible openly and claiming born again Christians but not agreeing that worshipers of the same God must be moved by his holy spirit to worship in the same manner, yes Sir i have turned away from all of them!
For your information, that scriptural text is what made me abandoned Islam for the search of those worshiping One God in Spirit [without any noisy parades of showoff] and Truth [in harmony with God's word which is powerful enough to make them a family]

Haaaaaaaaaaa!
My Christian brother Maximus!
So you too was born a Muslim and you never told me even when we met at the Assembly! No wonder everything i was saying you were grabbing so fast that day! Hmmmmmmm you surely used military intelligence for me oooooooo!
Well no problem your assembly is coming but before then you're owning me a bottle of Baron Romero for leaving Islam and taking up a religion that permits you to drink dagogo!

Maximus69:
YES!
Carrying Bible openly and claiming born again Christians but not agreeing that worshipers of the same God must be moved by his holy spirit to worship in the same manner, yes Sir i have turned away from all of them!

Show us where he ever said worshippers of the same God must be moved by His Holy spirit and not worship in the same manner.

For your information, that scriptural text is what made me abandoned Islam for the search of those worshiping One God in Spirit [without any noisy parades of showoff] and Truth [in harmony with God's word which is powerful enough to make them a family]

Hypocrite!

Aren't you people doing the same by claiming you're the one going from house to house most?

You know scriptures more than everyone...

You practice what you preach more than anyone else

You don't look for people's trouble

You're calm, you're this you're that...

Even on this page alone, it is glaring who is bragging about outward appearance godliness.

Hypocrisy and JWs are 5&6

Maximus69:
(1)Bible translators works on what is presented in the texts but then their translation is influence by their own personal resolve on the scriptural texts.
For instance
KJV translators rendered that verse 'in the beginning WAS the word, and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God'
NWT 'in the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS a god'
Some other translations says 'the word WAS divine'
And so on, but notably is the PAST tense consistency in the personality of the word 'WAS'
So if the word WAS, definitely the inspired writer is not saying that the word still occupy that position or serving in that capacity! Moses WAS God at a point in time but he is no more God now, rather he remains a prominent ancient prophet and Bible writer of all time! Exodus 7:1
(2) Micheal is the archangel[first and most powerful of all] Daniel 10:12-21 , Jude 9, Revelation 12:7-9
He is the one STANDING for God's people! Daniel 12:1
However the Messiah [who's genealogy is from time immemorial] will be the one to come in the flesh as the PRINCE STANDING for God's people! Isaiah 9:6,11:10
There are so many other references pointing to Michael as the angel or prince STANDING for the salvation of God's people! And Jesus [Messiah] was said to have come from heaven, meaning he must be one of the angels their but PRINCE. So that's how it was concluded that this same person is Michael the archangel!
(3) Melchizedek also bears the same title [Priest of the most high God] just like Jesus! Genesis 14:18 compared to Psalms 110:1-4, Act 2:32-36 Hebrew 6:20
So
¤ Michael in heaven ARCHANGEL
¤ Melchizedek [materialised] PRIEST of the most high God
¤ Jesus as the one who came to lay down his life because according to his own words 'humans are the creatures i loved most out of all that God created through me' Proverbs 8:31

Arch-angel Michael was the only begotten son of God?

If Arch-angel Michael and Jesus was one and the same person, why wasn't he able to rebuke satan who contended for the body of Moses in Jude 9?;

Jude 9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

BUT was Jesus was able to rebuke Satan in the course of temptation;

Matthew 4 v 10-11;
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Maximus69:
YES!
Carrying Bible openly and claiming born again Christians but not agreeing that worshipers of the same God must be moved by his holy spirit to worship in the same manner, yes Sir i have turned away from all of them!
For your information, that scriptural text is what made me abandoned Islam for the search of those worshiping One God in Spirit [without any noisy parades of showoff] and Truth [in harmony with God's word which is powerful enough to make them a family]

I didn't know you were once a Muslim!
My concern is: are you sealed or just Pius?

The average Muslim is more Religious than the average Christian.
Some Muslims are even more Pius than the average Christian.

But what makes the difference is NOT religion but having the spirit of sonship and being sealed.

When a person becomes born again, he has the following three duties
1. Loving God and Man (his neighbour)
2. Winning Souls for Christ
3. Serving God with ones Spiritual gifts and abilities for the building up of the body of Christ.
All done in LOVE and HOLINESS!

1Jn 3:2-3:
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself , even as he is pure."


It gives me more worry when I know that most of you are NOT born again (144,000÷8,000,000) is a small number indeed.

2Cor 1:22: "Who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."

Eph 1:13: "In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

Eph 4:30: "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed to the day of redemption."


Only for this reason I engage you in these lengthy dialogue, conversations and arguements.
But I think I am done for now. I commend the remaining into the hands of the Lord to have mercy and grace that you'll find the truth and the truth will set you free.

Shalom.

I hope we can chat again, but not on this kind of chat.

TATIME:
Haaaaaaaaaaa!
My Christian brother Maximus!
So you too was born a Muslim and you never told me even when we met at the Assembly! No wonder everything i was saying you were grabbing so fast that day! Hmmmmmmm you surely used military intelligence for me oooooooo!
Well no problem your assembly is coming but before then you're owning me a bottle of Baron Romero for leaving Islam and taking up a religion that permits you to drink dagogo!

Brother, i gave you a clue that day, but you weren't attentive enough Sir!
If i wasn't a Muslim i couldn't have served in Qatar. It was there that i learnt Islam is not uniting people as we were taught from teens! So when i realised that Politics and Racism is stronger the all what we're learning in Islam, i started on the lookout for the religion where there is TRUE Love amongst the worshipers, then we were taken to India where some prominent politicians were using religion to divide the people. There i met Jehovah's Witnesses and noticed for the first time a religion that's strong enough to bury politics and racism, rendering both useless in their midst.
So when i came back home and saw them, i didn't recognise them at first because i wasn't in a good mood that day, but they later came back and i saw the Awake with them, that is when i remembered their strong bond back in India. So i asked the man [now my Christian brother] if they're the same with those i saw in India and he said 'throughout the earth!'
At first i said secretly in my mind 'that is impossible' but today i know that it is undoubtedly possible with God's holy spirit!
Your baron will be chilled with lobster as you preferred!

OkCornel:
Arch-angel Michael was the only begotten son of God?

That is the significance of the title 'Arch'
He was God's first creation, single-handedly created by God alone, hence the ONLY BEGOTTEN!

Maximus69:
That is the significance of the title 'Arch'
He was God's first creation, single-handedly created by God alone, hence the ONLY BEGOTTEN!

Is Michael the only Arch-angel? Where does Lucifer, Gabriel and perhaps Uriel rank?

Maximus69:
That is the significance of the title 'Arch'
He was God's first creation, single-handedly created by God alone, hence the ONLY BEGOTTEN!

I just added this bit;

If Arch-angel Michael and Jesus was one and the same person, why wasn't he able to rebuke satan who contended for the body of Moses in Jude 9?;

Jude 9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

BUT was Jesus was able to rebuke Satan in the course of temptation;

Matthew 4 v 10-11;
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Maximus69:
Brother, i gave you a clue that day, but you weren't attentive enough Sir!
If i wasn't a Muslim i couldn't have served in Qatar. It was there that i learnt Islam is not uniting people as we were taught from teens! So when i realised that Politics and Racism is stronger the all what we're learning in Islam, i started on the lookout for the religion where there is TRUE Love amongst the worshipers, then we were taken to India where some prominent politicians were using religion to divide the people. There i met Jehovah's Witnesses and noticed for the first time a religion that's strong enough to bury politics and racism, rendering both useless in their midst.
So when i came back home and saw them, i didn't recognise them at first because i wasn't in a good mood that day, but they later came back and i saw the Awake with them, that is when i remembered their strong bond back in India. So i asked the man [now my Christian brother] if they're the same with those i saw in India and he said 'throughout the earth!'
At first i said secretly in my mind 'that is impossible' but today i know that it is undoubtedly possible with God's holy spirit!
Your baron will be chilled with lobster as you preferred!

@bolded
LOL

Love your testimony!

Me I got born again early in my secondary school but I backslided until my 200L in the University.

It was the Christian life of a Brother in my room (my bunk mate) that led me back to Christ. I rededicated my life to Christ and since then growing in Faith and in the Lord.

I've come to understand that God cares more about our private and personal relationship with Him (in righteousness) than we think. A lot of times we concentrate of activities rather than a Fellowship with Him.

Our fellowship with Him rubs upon our service to him. Example: Conducting deliverance is effortless when ones Fellowship with the Father is in top shape.

O wish that I can be in this "top shape" all the time but sadly, I am not. I guess I'm still growing, but more slowly than what a God want for me.

shadeyinka:
I didn't know you were once a Muslim!
My concern is: are you sealed or just Pius?

The average Muslim is more Religious than the average Christian.
Some Muslims are even more Pius than the average Christian.

But what makes the difference is NOT religion but having the spirit of sonship and being sealed.

When a person becomes born again, he has the following three duties
1. Loving God and Man (his neighbour)
2. Winning Souls for Christ
3. Serving God with ones Spiritual gifts and abilities for the building up of the body of Christ.
All done in LOVE and HOLINESS!

1Jn 3:2-3:
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself , even as he is pure."


It gives me more worry when I know that most of you are NOT born again (144,000÷8,000,000) is a small number indeed.

2Cor 1:22: "Who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."

Eph 1:13: "In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

Eph 4:30: "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed to the day of redemption."


Only for this reason I engage you in these lengthy dialogue, conversations and arguements.
But I think I am done for now. I commend the remaining into the hands of the Lord to have mercy and grace that you'll find the truth and the truth will set you free.

Shalom.

I hope we can chat again, but not on this kind of chat.

Not again my friend!
Our presentations are enough to show the kind of spirit influencing each person, so we're through with all these "you're wrong" "you're saying nonsense" "you're blindly following the GB" and so on!
Get to WORK for your God and you know now as usual, i'm actively doing the Jehovah's Witnesses thing even if you say the WORK is not for Jesus!

Maximus69:
Not again my friend!
Our presentations are enough to show the kind of spirit influencing each person, so we're through with all these "you're wrong" "you're saying nonsense" "you're blindly following the GB" and so on!
Get to WORK for your God and you know now as usual, i'm actively doing the Jehovah's Witnesses thing even if you say the WORK is not for Jesus!

I come in peace o! �

This was an earlier post.

Your testimony follows by my testimony follows sequencialy

Shalom

OkCornel:
Is Michael the only Arch-angel? Where does Lucifer, Gabriel and perhaps Uriel rank?

God never intended telling humans the names of any of his spirit sons! So there are just two names mentioned, and it was due to their role in dealing directly with God's people: Michael and Gabriel
Any other names is not included in the Bible but in some books considered as inspired but Christians know that such names must belong to demons who also want to introduce themselves to humans in a special way! 2Corinthians 11:14

Maximus69:
God never intended telling humans the names of any of his spirit sons! So there are just two names mentioned, and it was due to their role in dealing directly with God's people: Michael and Gabriel

But Michael and Gabriel introduced themselves to Daniel... and Gabriel introduced himself to Mary, I'm afraid I'm not on the same page with you. Unless, there's an implicit assumption that Gabriel and Michael acted out of order by introducing themselves...

Maximus69:
Any other names is not included in the Bible but in some books considered as inspired but Christians know that such names must belong to demons who also want to introduce themselves to humans in a special way! 2Corinthians 11:14

You're mentioning this due to what you know in the Bible only.

For example, there are other books like Tobit and Enoch that mentions the 7 arch-angels that constantly stands before the presence of God.

There's also something in Revelation 8 that corroborates it.

By the way, I haven't gotten your feedback as to whether Gabriel also ranks as an arch-angel... or Lucifer (before he fell)...


Do these other arch-angels also fall into the category of "the only begotten son of God" since there are claims that Arch-angel Michael is also Jesus?

OkCornel:
I just added this bit;

If Arch-angel Michael and Jesus was one and the same person, why wasn't he able to rebuke satan who contended for the body of Moses in Jude 9?;

Jude 9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

BUT was Jesus was able to rebuke Satan in the course of temptation;

Matthew 4 v 10-11;
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Jesus[Michael] had no right to CONDEMN any of his former brothers!
That is to be decided by God alone. So he must wait until he gets an order to do anything against God's former sons who became rebels! Psalms 110:1
Satan wanted to pick up Moses body in order to start deceiving the Israelites so that the people will be seeing Moses as if he is still alive somewhere, since they didn't know how he died or who buried him! Deuteronomy 34:5-6
So Jude was inspired to tell us the name of that angel who represented Jehovah in burying Moses! Jude 9
Yet he couldn't hurt his former brother who rebelled against their father to become Satan, even Satan still had the chances to continue entering heaven with other falling angels[Job 1:6 compared to Psalms 82:1] until Jehovah gave Jesus[ Michael] who have completed all the assignments or prerequisites of ending all badness [John 19:30] to condemn the rebellious spirits and drive them away from heaven! Revelations 12:7-9 compared to Psalms 110:1

Maximus69:
Jesus[Michael] had no right to CONDEMN any of his former brothers!
That is to be decided by God alone. So he must wait until he gets an order to do anything against God's former sons who became rebels! Psalms 110:1
Satan wanted to pick up Moses body in order to start deceiving the Israelites so that the people will be seeing Moses as if he is still alive somewhere, since they didn't know how he died or who buried him! Deuteronomy 34:5-6
So Jude was inspired to tell us the name of that angel who represented Jehovah in burying Moses! Jude 9
Yet he couldn't hurt his former brother who rebelled against their father to become Satan, even Satan still had the chances to continue entering heaven with other falling angels[Job 1:6 compared to Psalms 82:1] until Jehovah gave Jesus[ Michael] who have completed all the assignments or prerequisites of ending all badness [John 19:30] to condemn the rebellious spirits and drive them away from heaven! Revelations 12:7-9 compared to Psalms 110:1

This is the question I asked. How is it possible for Jesus to rebuke Satan in Matthew 4 v 10-11, but Arch-angel Michael could not do the same in Jude 9?

Another question; When exactly did Jesus obtain authority to condemn all the rebellious spirits and drive them out of heaven?

OkCornel:
But Michael and Gabriel introduced themselves to Daniel... and Gabriel introduced himself to Mary, I'm afraid I'm not on the same page with you. Unless, there's an implicit assumption that Gabriel and Michael acted out of order by introducing themselves...
You're mentioning this due to what you know in the Bible only.
For example, there are other books like Tobit and Enoch that mentions the 7 arch-angels that constantly stands before the presence of God.
There's also something in Revelation 8 that corroborates it.
By the way, I haven't gotten your feedback as to whether Gabriel also ranks as an arch-angel... or Lucifer (before he fell)...
Do these other arch-angels also fall into the category of "the only begotten son of God" since there are claims that Arch-angel Michael is also Jesus?

You need to STUDY the Bible with us before you can fully grasp all of these!
If you read of any angel introducing himself, it was granted by Jehovah otherwise they have NO right to speak with humans! But the rebellious ones who NO MORE knows nothing about God's arrangements are causing all they could before their destruction!
Please there is no other names of angels mentioned unless if you go outside the Bible ,those arrogant angels wants to deal with people anyway and they've infected people with the spirit of ARROGANCE,that is why all those carrying such books can never be united as a global family like true Christians[JWs]!

Maximus69:
You need to STUDY the Bible with us before you can fully grasp all of these!
If you read of any angel introducing himself, it was granted by Jehovah otherwise they have NO right to speak with humans! But the rebellious ones who NO MORE knows nothing about God's arrangements are causing all they could before their destruction!
Please there is no other names of angels mentioned unless if you go outside the Bible ,those arrogant angels wants to deal with people anyway and they've infected people with the spirit of ARROGANCE,that is why all those carrying such books can never be united as a global family like true Christians[JWs]!

Relax first. We are not fighting or quarreling. Just a healthy discussion. Question and Answer sessions are also part of the studying the scriptures isn't it?

Angel Michael is an arch-angel, I agree. Lucifer (before he fell) and Gabriel, do they also rank as arch-angels? Yes or No

OkCornel:
This is the question I asked. How is it possible for Jesus to rebuke Satan in Matthew 4 v 10-11, but Arch-angel Michael could not do the same in Jude 9?
Another question; When exactly did Jesus obtain authority to condemn all the rebellious spirits and drive them out of heaven?

Jesus could rebuked Satan because Satan DIRECTLY asked his brother to render sacred service to him instead of their heavenly father who has the sole right to receive our worship! Revelations 4:11
But as for Moses body, Satan thought since God has punished Moses not to enter the promised land, he has gained Moses as part of those to be destroyed! So he has the right to know why Michael have come to take away the body of a seemingly condemned prophet, until Michael said 'may Jehovah rebuke you' that is when Satan realised that the order to remove Moses body for burial is from the Most high himself! Psalms 83:18