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Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by iamsonofthunder: 12:55pm On May 26, 2019
SocialJustice:
There's rapture, tribulation and second coming. There are people like you who actually believe the tribulation comes first but that is not important. The order argument is not important as there's no judgement for those in Christ. Let's just watch things unfold.

We may even die before anything happens as the prophecy of Daniel is currently at the Anglo American kingdom. USA and Great Britain haven't fallen yet and Africa does not look like it will be on the same level as those countries any time soon.
America is about to fall. !
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Nobody: 12:58pm On May 26, 2019
Nreebge:
Please can you back this up with a Bible passage ?
2 Thessalonians 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

Note the difference between the coming of Christ ( second coming and our gathering together unto him (rapture)

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


In Revelation the saints are already clothed and coming together with Jesus

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Maariv: 1:06pm On May 26, 2019
Christianity is the greatest shackle to the black mind than the transatlantic slavery was. Until we discover the The whole of the New testament was a litrary work by the flavian dynasty, that Jesus was a mythical figure like Horus, Hermes and the like and that Paul was a litrary creation to demean the Torah, the blackman can never realize his awesome potential and the beauty of the TaNak in practice.
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Nobody: 1:22pm On May 26, 2019
realmindz:
Still believing in a splitting sky is an insult to intelligence.
I cry when people still read from a cave man book about stars falling... What a shame to the 21st century....

Dance of ignorance,....pick up a simple science book and start reading, read a little about space and upgrade your senses you deluded hopeless blacks, it will do u more good than an ancient book for cave men
What I don't understand about u atheist is the unnecessary repulsive attitude u have against others who chose to cope with life by believing in what u call a
cave man book...Last I checked many of them are doing fine....Isaac Newton is one of them, the great Albert Einstein isn't even an atheist, Alexander Flemming is a believer of God, so is Marie Curie, James Watson and Francis crick the DNA unravelers....And the list goes on incredibly long

Permit me to ask....U that you are very enlightened and not stupid like christains who believe in cave men book....What leap of accomplishment have u scaled?, what record have u set? What solution have u invented and offered the world....
Don't take my comments wrongly as an attack..If u already have..My sincere apologies....This world is a pack load of shiit and all the systems are failing ..How anyone choose to cope with life is left to them...They might choose not do it tru ur science book..And they might have a mind wide enuf to consider both a science book and a cave man book just like Isaac Newton and the rest..
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Nreebge: 1:38pm On May 26, 2019
solite3:
2 Thessalonians 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

Note the difference between the coming of Christ ( second coming and our gathering together unto him (rapture)

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


In Revelation the saints are already clothed and coming together with Jesus



Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
There is nothing like rapture in the entire Bible , the passage above talks about the saints at his appearing. He shall come in the cloud and every eye shall see him.1 cor 15:51-56 ,1 Thess 4:15-17 didn't mention anything like rapture. He will come again the second time and the redeemed both dead and living will be transformed to meet with the Lord in the cloud. According to the book of Matthew 24 tribulations will come before his appearing, tis almost time for the Lord come, the stars of heaven are growing dim ,the coming of the master drawth near.






The rapture is not a word of the sacred book and the book of Luke chapter 17 beginning from verse 34 talks about people been together doesn't mean they will save together. A man and woman living as husband and wife ,both are practising Christians if any of their lifestyle is not tune with what God expects from any of them. The one ready will be redeemed at second coming and the other will be left behind.


The Bible book of Matthew 24 from verse 4 that we should take heed lest nobody deceive us, 7 For nations shall rise against nation,and the kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes in divers places, 8 all these are the beginning of sorrows 15, When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readth ,let him understand) 21, For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no ,nor ever shall be.



The context that explain this writeup is in verse 22 And except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects ( redeemed, chosen, righteous ) sake those days shall be shortened. 29 ,Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken ,30 .And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn ,and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31, And he shall send his angels with great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds , from one end to the other ( the redeemed). I hope this passage by Jesus (the Prince Emmanuel) himself explains to the best of every believer that there is nothing like rapture .Thank you
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Nobody: 1:46pm On May 26, 2019
Maariv:
Christianity is the greatest shackle to the black mind than the transatlantic slavery was. Until we discover the The whole of the New testament was a litrary work by the flavian dynasty, that Jesus was a mythical figure like Horus, Hermes and the like and that Paul was a litrary creation to demean the Torah, the blackman can never realize his awesome potential and the beauty of the TaNak in practice.
Thank you for this information....Please u that u are not shackled by Christianity and other religion, what have u accomplished , what great solution have u given the world ?.
Look around u and stop blaming religion or any belief system. That was never our problem., before religion came Africa had been backward.......Africa got off on a technically wrong start....While the good weather, fantastic soil, vast presence of animals, large rocks and trees was supposed to be an advantage while life began for us.It's was a sort of limiting factor for thinking and advancement....Like the saying..Necessity is the mother of invention If threr no need, there's really no need to make it or improve on it...We had it all, we lived in large trees, and under rocks... we had all the types of animals, we could afford to kill one throw it away and kill another tomorrow to eat., There was no reason to store away for winter when many of the animals would have migrated
...But the Europeans geographical location made them think more and evolved faster than us.....While all of this might see like it's in the past ....our current problem is resources managment. Did any religion tell the government not to allocate resources for research and development...
Don't u see Nigerians abroad accomplishing greatness...A Nigerian was recently part of a team in Netherland that built a biosensor for antibiotic detection in blood to fight against resistance...One of the biggest drone makers in the united states is a Nigerian...Education is just a certificate end for most people here in Africa not a platform of making and inventing new things...U can blame religion all u want...There are Christians and other relegions abroad, they've always been there and that ddnt stop their advancement...
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by urose93(f): 1:47pm On May 26, 2019
EMIOMOADEOYE:
I think the big question many do not understand is this

What is the Great Tribulation?

It is unfortunate that most have missed the real meaning of the Great Tribulation because they have become intertwined in a complicated web of false teachings that have been propagated throughout Christendom.

Daniel 12;1 gives us an understanding of what that time will mean.

By that verse, the Great Tribulation will be a great time of distress for the nations. Take note - A TIME OF GREAT DISTRESS. Matthew 24:21, 22 qualifies it further - distress such as the world has never seen nor will ever see afterward

Now DURING the period of the Great Tribulation, a number of things will happen. I won't go into details because it actually is deep.

1. Destruction of Babylon The Great (False Religion)
2. An attack on True Religion
3. The judgment of Earths Inhabitants
4. Gathering of Kingdom Rulers (What you refer to as rapture) - As a matter of fact, the rapture occurs DURING the Great Tribulation nt before or after.
5. ARMAGEDDON - The war of the great day of God the Almighty. This marks the end of the great tribulation


Now after the Great Tribulation

1. The Confinement of Satan and his Demons
2. The Millenial Reign

You have clearly given out enough details of what the great tribulation encompasses and of course the 'rapture'
To add to this, Jesus at Matt 24:21,22 made it clearly known that the great tribulation will afflict all manners of people in the world, both faithful Christians and the unrighteous ones alike.
In fact verse 22 of Matt 24 says those days (great tribulation) will be cut short on account of the CHOSEN ONES.
This very verse debunk the assertion of OP that righteous people will never suffer with the unrighteous ones.

Knowing bible truth in all honesty is not about 'calling', it is more of a diligent and careful study of God's word.
l appreciate u my brother.
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by ayobaye(m): 2:29pm On May 26, 2019
Zuorom:
I don't think so, it will be after the rapture. Only God knows the real truth sha
You should be convinced of your faith and what you believe in.
Rapture comes before the great tribulation. Read Zechariah 14
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by ifyakanu(m): 2:59pm On May 26, 2019
Jokerman:
Some bible passages talked of great tribulation before the rapture.... Even the Lord Jesus Christ... The thing is confusing , the most important thing is to be found worthy at that day whether before or after tribulation..

Quoting the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:29-31..."29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days.........., 30. And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven............, 31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather his elect.............""
there is two set of gathering of the elects of God. first is the rapturn which will take place before the great tribulation and the second after the tribulation. the first involves the present Christian who are ready for his coming and the second will involves those who have the knowledge of Christ but fail to meet up with the first rapture and were able to withstand the Antichrist and his dealing. Christ says these ones will now pay with their blood
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Kokoebapluse(m): 3:22pm On May 26, 2019
Ubdavis:
Hahaha, Christian Bible, d thing sabe confuse!!! Claims and counterclaims ... Contradictions allover d place...
I dunno say you too dey see ahm.? There contradiction between ot and nt, there a lot of contradiction in nt. That book is suegbe
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Kokoebapluse(m): 3:26pm On May 26, 2019
Auxtin85:
Read the book of revelation and you will understand all you need to know about rapture and tribulations
grin you mean we should be expecting dragon with seven head? And a woman with long breast?



Let Bible readers wise up abeg
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Aishasuccess(f): 5:01pm On May 26, 2019
The rapture will happen first before the great tribulation.The rapture is diff from d second coming of Christ.... Rapture is wen d saint goes to meet d lord I.e d wise virgin not d foolish virgin..matt 24...d second coming of Christ is after d great tribulation when d Antichrist has dealt with d foolish virgin..Christ will come with dose DAT was raptured ...I hope it helped.. thanks..
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Aishasuccess(f): 5:02pm On May 26, 2019
The rapture will happen first before the great tribulation.The rapture is diff from d second coming of Christ.... Rapture is wen d saint goes to meet d lord I.e d wise virgin not d foolish virgin..matt 24...d second coming of Christ is after d great tribulation when d Antichrist has dealt with d foolish virgin..Christ will come with dose DAT was raptured ...I hope it helped.. thanks.. The rapture is so close..check ur self and prepare for it..great tribulation is terrible.. I pray God help us d saint to make d rapture in Jesus name..Amen
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Nobody: 5:03pm On May 26, 2019
According to the Bible the great tribulation comes before the rapture. If you read 1Thess 4:16 it describes the rapture. The first event in the rapture is the resurrection of those that died in Christ. In Rev 20:4-5 there was a description of souls who were killed for being Christians and for not worshiping the beast. Which means they were killed in the great tribulation. They were part of the first resurrection. Which means they were the first raptured. Also in Matt 24 Jesus said the great tribulation would be shortened for the elects' sake. If they had been raptured why would the great tribulation be shortened for their sake. From the op I think you are confusing God's Wrath with the great tribulation (and many Christians do).
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Fantazy(m): 5:04pm On May 26, 2019
bahaushe1:
Tribulation before rapture. Rapture signifies end of the world; the sky will split, mountains flatten.
I don't think u have a bible, get one and start reading
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by femi4: 5:07pm On May 26, 2019
solite3:
second coming of christ is different from the rapture.
In the rapture christians will be caught up to meet Jesus while in the second coming Jesus comes down to this earth with every believer who have been raptured.
Na so you dey fail exam. The topic is about which come first between rapture and great tribulation
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by femi4: 5:14pm On May 26, 2019
Jokerman:
Some bible passages talked of great tribulation before the rapture.... Even the Lord Jesus Christ... The thing is confusing , the most important thing is to be found worthy at that day whether before or after tribulation..

Quoting the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:29-31..."29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days.........., 30. And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven............, 31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather his elect.............""
Trumpet to gather ....nothing like rapture there

But 1 thess 4:17 described rapture which means "caught up in the sky"

17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by MistadeRegal(m): 5:19pm On May 26, 2019
The great tribulation is coming before the rapture. Study Matthew chapter 24 properly, then study Revelation chapters 13 and 14. The reaping of the earth in chapter 14 is the rapture. Now compare the both.
Shalom.
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by bahaushe1:
Fantazy:
I don't think u have a bible, get one and start reading
I do have a copy of the Bible. But Gospel, Torah, and Psalms are not the only divinely revealed books; there are others and the general principle is the same.

During the period of tribulations the World will be filled with evil to such an extent that a man will wake up a believer but turned an unbeliever before sunset. It is the period of Antichrist. Those are the tribulations: uncertainty in faith, widespread evil.

While the rapture simply means end of the world. Nothing remains after it except the Lord. It is a period of destruction and preparation of the day of judgment.
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by bahaushe1: 5:50pm On May 26, 2019
realmindz:
Still believing in a splitting sky is an insult to intelligence.
I cry when people still read from a cave man book about stars falling... What a shame to the 21st century....

Dance of ignorance,....pick up a simple science book and start reading, read a little about space and upgrade your senses you deluded hopeless blacks, it will do u more good than an ancient book for cave men
Thank you for the name calling.

As for science books, I have been reading them since my primary school days and will continue to do so to the end of my life.

Intelligence was created; science was created; universe was created; earth was created; stars were created; you and I were created. These things I mentioned could not have came into existence spontaneously. Whoever it is that created them and us is capable of all things and is worthy of my worship.

Peace!!
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by realmindz: 5:57pm On May 26, 2019
bahaushe1:
Thank you for the name calling.

As for science books, I have been reading them since my primary school days and will continue to do so to the end of my life.

Intelligence was created; science was created; universe was created; earth was created; stars were created; you and I were created. These things I mentioned could not have came into existence spontaneously. Whoever it is that created them and us is capable of all things and is worthy of my worship.

Peace!!
And stars will fall down to earth on the last days, the moon will turn to blood and all those craps make sense to you scientifically??
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by nwakaibeya1: 6:00pm On May 26, 2019
Era of long stories about knowing Jesus Christ are long over, knowing Jesus Christ is all about peace and light and unbelievable power and evil people must fear you that was proved as Jesus Christ I know Paul I know who are you?

Have you confessed your secret sins those sins that are hidden, those communications with the hidden evil marine ,occult world and witches and wizards knowingly and unknowingly, have you confessed those sins that ordinary eyes cannot see?

POWER TALKS AND NOT EMPTY CRITICS and Those are the truth and revelation we emphasise on and speak and not the please come and be Bornagain and you will become blessed and you will become a millionaire over night where as you know it that common peace you don't have,even as a Bornagain #okay even if you grab the money do you have the power to protect the money,hence money need protection and if you say faith in Jesus Christ do you have the light and power and peace of Jesus Christ as his follower?

Do the evil people fear you as Jesus Christ commands and do Satan children get behind you as Jesus Christ commanded their father the devil ? The evil spirit said Jesus Christ I know Paul I know who are you? So when we say it's the evil people that knows whom Jesus Christ truly is it's in your Bible read it.

Many people who claim to know JESUS CHRIST don't even know why he came to the earth and what their right are going forward, in following JESUSCHRIST and when.they hear the reasons as we declare to the whole world they will never listen and accept because they lack knowledge and wisdom and because of what they have been fed with they see new truth&revelation as criticism and judgemental and they forget that from the mouth of Jesus Christ came forth >>ALL THAT CAME BEFORE ME ARE ROBBERS so you that's wise did Jesus Christ criticize and judge people or not? and if I have his power I am very free to judge whoever on earth and beyond including the dead if the dead is holding your star or property we wake them up and collect what he or she have stolen from You #that is our authority from heaven of God of justice and it's you test and see ?

Behold era of long Bible stories are over, hence with the Light of Jesus Christ if you have it you conquer all evil no matter your level in Christ Jesus that's the authority that knowing Jesus Christ brings to those who truly locate him through us why not see the unbelievable truth we speak and authorize human beings to investigate our source thought truth is friend to few people and we don't expect many people to believe us after all how many seers and prophets and pastors followed Jesus Christ in bible time how much more you in this generation who don't know that in the spiritual realm there is no distance Jeremiah 5.21,22
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by realmindz: 6:01pm On May 26, 2019
Alzirida:
U don't need to insult anyone base on their ignorance.

Am detailed about this Universe.
I do take my time to explain to those who honestly want to hear.
Some people believe that stars will fall on earth on the last days.... Some people believe this crap and you expect I respect their intelligence because of sentiments. Sentiments apart, it takes a high level of illiteracy and ignorance to believe such... Scientifically blind and proud of it...

And yet same people will laugh when they said odudua came down to earth from the sky with a rope and laugh at Muslims who believe that Mohammed split the moon into two or rode a donkey to space

I will rather teach my children the beauty of space, Galaxy and the universe than such anti science jargons....its retarding
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Nobody: 6:27pm On May 26, 2019
Brethren we should not be carried away by time sitting. Whether it happens before,after,within or together with the tribulation it doesn't matter at all,all that matters is be ready at all time.be steadfast in faith.thank you
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Ikeh01(m): 8:20pm On May 26, 2019
Obviously, there is no word like rapture in the Bible.But some group of people're meant to rule with Christ in heaven. The question is whom will those people rule?
The Bible let us know in the book of psalm 37v 9/10 that only the humble good one will inherit the earth.
so,Jesus with those people who will ascend to heaven in a spiritual bodies,will rule these humble one's here on earth.
Jesus taught us to pray for God's kingdom to come and replace this human kingdom. This heavenly kingdom will bring solution to world problem.
Therefore, those people who will form the cabinet of this heavenly government'ld ascend to heaven in a spiritual bodies before the great tribulation which they,God's angels with christ , will destroy all the evil and wicked people that have spoiled this world with their activities.

Try to know the basic truth about the word of God by studying the Bible with members of Jehovah's witnesses or simply visit JW.org, to find out the TRUTH.
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by adedejisy: 8:20pm On May 26, 2019
The rapture will take place before great tribulation.It is those that are left behind after rapture that will partake in great tribulation.. Prepare yourself for rapture this means you have to live a Godly life.
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Nobody: 8:17am On May 27, 2019
Derrinclay:
Brethren we should not be carried away by time sitting. Whether it happens before,after,within or together with the tribulation it doesn't matter at all,all that matters is be ready at all time.be steadfast in faith.thank you
Em...It matters. Imagine how many Christians will fall when the tribulation starts and they've not heard of anyone being raptured cos they've been fed a lie since they were kids? So, it doesn't matter to preach the wrong thing?
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Nobody: 10:49am On May 27, 2019
HedwigesMaduro:
Em...It matters. Imagine how many Christians will fall when the tribulation starts and they've not heard of anyone being raptured cos they've been fed a lie since they were kids? So, it doesn't matter to preach the wrong thing?
All am trying to say bro is that we should always be ready. Your readiness is most important
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Dafemich(m): 12:11pm On May 27, 2019
SocialJustice:
The order is 1. Rapture 2. Tribulation 3. Second coming
You are wrong. 1. second coming 2. Tribulation 3. millennial reign
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Dafemich(m): 12:19pm On May 27, 2019
liverpool72:
after the rapture comes great tribulation.
During this time born again raptured will be having marriage supper of the lamb were reward will be given to them
Thank you very much
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by Dafemich(m): 12:28pm On May 27, 2019
donMIG:
Sometimes i think about the end of days
I keep asking myself if im gone make it
I breath sin,eat sin n drink sin everyday
My job sef is a sin
Everytime i pray i ask the Lord for more time
The thing is that you don't see yourself above sin. You don't believe in what the Lord Jesus has done. If only you could focus on Jesus not minding what you are doing, you will receive grace to overcome that sin. I was addicted to one sin habit. I wanted to stop, but as hard as I try by myself, I keep committing that sin. It was when I start seeing the Lord Jesus Christ for who he is and what He has done, that I receive the strength to over come this sinful habit
Re: Will Great Tribulation Take Place Before The Rapture? by donMIG(m): 4:48pm On May 29, 2019
Dafemich:
The thing is that you don't see yourself above sin. You don't believe in what the Lord Jesus has done. If only you could focus on Jesus not minding what you are doing, you will receive grace to overcome that sin. I was addicted to one sin habit. I wanted to stop, but as hard as I try by myself, I keep committing that sin. It was when I start seeing the Lord Jesus Christ for who he is and what He has done, that I receive the strength to over come this sinful habit
Thanks man
Have u listen to certain confessions ?
All ornaments being a way the devil traps Christians
Even wrist watches...
Me that like watches
Fresh clothes
Nice kicks
I don suffer
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