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OkCornel:
Oh my...so David was a Christian?

Infact, the Israelites that killed the Canaanites en-masse, they were Christians too?


When you're told to study the scriptures in perspective... you won't spill this rubbish you just quoted here.


Prior to when Jesus gave the commandment to Love our enemies, He addressed a prevalent mindset that was popular for many centuries prior to that moment He gave that commandment...

Read Matthew 5 v 43 let in sink into your head first.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

And after that, Jesus said we should love both our enemies and neighbors in Matthew 5 v 44;
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you



Let me ask you something...if your enemy happens to be an atheist, will you love him as Jesus instructed? Yes or No

Christian is a name given to people who follow Jesus/God. That was given to them by unbelievers. The name is not what defines the people of God. What defines them is Faith in God. Abraham, David, Moses, Paul and the children of Israel all had faith in God, and that made them God's people. Faith is how God has been dealing with people and he hasn't changed. What was applicable back then still stands. Only that we can't go about killing people in war cos we don't run a Christian State.

I told you, my enemies can be loved, but not the enemies of God. I can't love an atheist who's my enemy. He's not only my enemy but God's enemy because he hates God. It's the same as saying I should love a witch who's my enemy. No way. Even God said never to suffer a witch to live.

Agrogbeide:
is it good to expose their hideout even when they are strong unbelievers?

I like your baiting questions.

No, it is not good to expose their hideout. But when it comes to losing your life, then you have no fault.

You can only have a fault if you failed to lose your life to protect the believers who are your brothers.

Maybe the unbelievers who are about to be destroyed by Boko Haram is God's way of punishing them. You interfering will only be stupidity. It's the same as trying to save the Amalekites when God wanted them dead.

alBHAGDADI:
No bro.

For God so loved...

Past tense.

Not anymore. That's why he's coming to destroy them.

bro God still love the world, if he didnt the door of christ would have been short against them.

For God so Loved the word does not mean God has stopped loving the world.

alBHAGDADI:
No bro.

For God so loved...

Past tense.

Not anymore. That's why he's coming to destroy them.

God coming to destroy sinners is an act of Judgment not hatred.

alBHAGDADI:
I like your baiting questions.

No, it is not good to expose their hideout. But when it comes to losing your life, then you have no fault.

You can only have a fault if you failed to lose your life to protect the believers who are your brothers.

[quote author=alBHAGDADI post=78957827]Maybe the unbelievers who are about to be destroyed by Boko Haram is God's way of punishing them. You interfering will only be stupidity. It's the same as trying to save the Amalekites when God wanted them dead.

What do you have to say concerning the church that was destroyed and the lives lose as a result of a terrorist attack in Sri Lanka few months ago? Or does God also destroyed believers through terrorist attack?

What do you have to say concerning 1 Timothy 2:1-8?

alBHAGDADI:
Christian is a name given to people who follow Jesus/God. That was given to them by unbelievers. The name is not what defines the people of God. What defines them is Faith in God. Abraham, David, Moses, Paul and the children of Israel all had faith in God, and that made them God's people. Faith is how God has been dealing with people and he hasn't changed. What was applicable back then still stands. Only that we can't go about killing people in war cos we don't run a Christian State.

I told you, my enemies can be loved, but not the enemies of God. I can't love an atheist who's my enemy. He's not only my enemy but God's enemy because he hates God. It's the same as saying I should love a witch who's my enemy. No way. Even God said never to suffer a witch to live.

Oh nice... so even if a witch or atheist happens to be your enemy, that means you would go against the words of Jesus in Matthew 5 v 44?

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you






You would also be willing to disobey these words of Jesus since a witch or atheist is your enemy?

Luke 6 v 29 -30;
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.




And also consider these words of Jesus again in Luke 6 v 46;
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

OkCornel:
Oh nice... so even if a witch or atheist happens to be your enemy, that means you would go against the words of Jesus in Matthew 5 v 44?

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you






You would also be willing to disobey these words of Jesus since a witch or atheist is your enemy?

Luke 6 v 29 -30;
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.




And also consider these words of Jesus again in Luke 6 v 46;
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

An atheist is not only my enemy, but also an enemy of God. I can't love those who hate God, just as David hated those who hate God.

A witch is not only my enemy but also an enemy of God because witchcraft is rebellion against God. I can love such either

Try comprehension classes.

Agrogbeide:
What do you have to say concerning the church that was destroyed and the lives lose as a result of a terrorist attack in Sri Lanka few months ago? Or does God also destroyed believers through terrorist attack?
What do you have to say concerning 1 Timothy 2:1-8?

Wetin all these one get to do with my post?

alBHAGDADI:
This is what I hate: When someone makes claims without backing them up with verses. They basically override God's word with their own opinion.

God's nature is not in everybody. It only resides in his children. This is contrary to your claim that God's nature is in a bad person. Today, we have the children of God and the children of the devil.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Are you trying to tell me that the children of the devil also have the nature of God in them?

We Christians are not to take away hate from our lives. We are to hate to who hate God. David hated those who hated God in his time, and he was a man after God's heart.

Psalm 139:21-22 (KJV)
Do not I hate them, O L ORD , that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

Even God doesn't love the world anymore. John 3:16 says for God so loved the world... Take note of the past tense LOVED.

To love everybody as a Christian is to condone evil. A true Christian is to shun evil and rebuke evil doers, not pat them on the back.

unfortunately for you Jesus who you claim to be your Lord never rebuked any sinner, rather his rebukes went to those who claimed they are righteous. I have searched all the encounter of Jesus Christ, I did not found where Jesus, who we are looking up to rebuking sinners.

His love turned away sinners and evil doers from their evil ways. He embraced the tax collector with love and he was transformed. He also embraced the one caught in adultery with love and she was transformed.

solite3:
God coming to destroy sinners is an act of Judgment not hatred.

What he's coming to do to sinners is the same thing he did in the Old Testament as seen below. He hated then and drove them out. He hates sinners and will drive then out of the earth.

Hosea 9:15-17 (KJV)
All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters

bloodofthelamb:
unfortunately for you Jesus who you claim to be your Lord never rebuked any sinner, rather his rebukes went to those who claimed they are righteous. I have searched all the encounter of Jesus Christ, I did not found where Jesus, who we are looking up to rebuking sinners.

His love turned away sinners and evil doers from their evil ways. He embraced the tax collector with love and he was transformed. He also embraced the one caught in adultery with love and she was transformed.

rebuke

verb

express sharp disapproval or criticism of (someone) because of their behaviour or actions.

If Jesus didn't rebuke sinners, what will you call what he did with those traders who were selling in the temple?

He not only rebuke then by telling them what they were doing wrong, he also flogged them.

Read your Bible

alBHAGDADI:
Wetin all these one get to do with my post?

Oga answer my question.

Nor b u bring Boko Haram matter?

I dey wait for answer.

Agrogbeide:
Oga answer my question.
Nor b u bring Boko Haram matter?
I dey wait for answer.

Your question doesn't correlate with theine of argument.
If so, point it out.

alBHAGDADI:
Your question doesn't correlate with theine of argument.

If so, point it out.

I thought we were having a nice conversation here...... Lol

Maybe the unbelievers who are about to be destroyed by Boko Haram is God's way of punishing them. You interfering will only be stupidity. It's the same as trying to save the Amalekites when God wanted them dead..........alBHAGDADI can you deny this statement of yours?

My question again;

What do you have to say concerning the church that was destroyed and the lives lose as a result of a terrorist attack in Sri Lanka few months ago? Or does God also destroyed believers through terrorist attack?

What do you have to say concerning 1 Timothy 2:1-8?

Agrogbeide:
I thought we were having a nice conversation here...... Lol

Maybe the unbelievers who are about to be destroyed by Boko Haram is God's way of punishing them. You interfering will only be stupidity. It's the same as trying to save the Amalekites when God wanted them dead..........alBHAGDADI can you deny this statement of yours?

My question again;

What do you have to say concerning the church that was destroyed and the lives lose as a result of a terrorist attack in Sri Lanka few months ago? Or does God also destroyed believers through terrorist attack?

What do you have to say concerning 1 Timothy 2:1-8?

The Church that was bombed I Sri Lanka does not belong to God. It was a Catholic Church and it is not of God, so they deserve they probably deserve the punishment.

Your brain is too light to handle more of what I have to say.

alBHAGDADI:
The Church that was bombed I Sri Lanka does not belong to God. It was a Catholic Church and it is not of God, so they deserve they probably deserve the punishment.

Your brain is too light to handle more of what I have to say.

;DYeah Catholic Church is not of God... But without it u think Christianity will spread ... And u also deserve to be flogged for saying they deserve the punishment....... Someone will just wake up and start spewing nonsense....

alBHAGDADI:
An atheist is not only my enemy, but also an enemy of God. I can't love those who hate God, just as David hated those who hate God.

A witch is not only my enemy but also an enemy of God because witchcraft is rebellion against God. I can love such either

Try comprehension classes.

Now we need to see who has to go for comprehension classes...

Remember I told you to love the sinner but hate the sin?

Do you recall what the scripture that says we wrestle not against flesh and blood? But against... (fill in the rest)

Now can you see why Jesus said you should love your enemies?

missimelda01:
God is love, the moment you accept him as your lord and saviour you've a embraced the nature of love. Who is your neighbor? Did the Bible mention who your neighbor should be? [b]The love in you refuses to see the bad in another person, instead it teaches you to see God's nature in that bad person. This takes away the word hate from the story, when you hate someone it means you're perfect enough to pass judgement to the person. Love is love! And my neighbor could be [/b]anybody.

Let's stop trying to turn the Bible upside down please.

Wow,great words. I have read exactly something like this from Rhapsody of realities I borrowed when I was an undergraduate,that was when I fell in love with Pastor Chris. I am not a member though but love his message.

OkCornel:
Now we need to see who has to go for comprehension classes...

Remember I told you to love the sinner but hate the sin?

Do you recall what the scripture that says we wrestle not against flesh and blood? But against... (fill in the rest)

Now can you see why Jesus said you should love your enemies?

You know nothing.

We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers of darkness in high places. Have you forgotten that Satan has his Human agents and children? Oh, I'm supposed to love them too? Those ones have sworn to side with the devil against God. They are God's enemies. They attack God and his people everyday.

Witches are principalities in high places. Atheists are evil but you don't know it yet. Most of them don't know it yet. They are evil in that they attack God's word everyday and also his people. How's that different from what Satan has been doing?

But you want me to love the Haters of God who are proud to be rebellious.

Mind you, the quote "love the sinner, hate the sin" is not a Christian quote nor can such be found or similar to anything in the Bible. That quote came from Ghandi, and he was not a child of God.

Let me play a game with you. Tell me which of the below quotes came from a child of God.


1.) Love the sinner, hate the sin


2.) Psalm 139:21-22 (KJV)
Do not I hate them, O L ORD , that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

If I didn't tell you that the first one came from Ghandi, you would have said it came from a child of God.

And if you didn't see Psalm written in the second quote, you would have mistaken it to be a hate speech from an evil man. But that speech came from David the man after God's heart, while the first quote came from Mahatma Ghandi, an unbeliever. It clearly means you would have crucified David and accepted Ghandi.

alBHAGDADI:
You know nothing.

We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers of darkness in high places. Have you forgotten that Satan has his Human agents and children? Oh, I'm supposed to love them too? Those ones have sworn to side with the devil against God. They are God's enemies. They attack God and his people everyday.

Witches are principalities in high places. Atheists are evil but you don't know it yet. Most of them don't know it yet. They are evil in that they attack God's word everyday and also his people. How's that different from what Satan has been doing?

But you want me to love the Haters of God who are proud to be rebellious.

The bolded part of your quote only shows how ignorant you are. For you to say witches are principalities in high places shows you are the one that knows nothing!

Witches are flesh and blood (you wrestle not against them). It is the evil spirit that works through them that are the principalities in high places, the dark powers (you should be concerned with).

alBHAGDADI:
Mind you, the quote "love the sinner, hate the sin" is not a Christian quote nor can such be found or similar to anything in the Bible. That quote came from Ghandi, and he was not a child of God.

You are so narrow minded, you couldn't even figure out that Ghandi studied the Bible and Jesus and came up with that.
Please tell us how Ghandi was wrong with what he said. Did Jesus not love the prostitute and the thief but hated their sinful lifestyles? Or is there anything to the contrary you want to say?

alBHAGDADI:
Let me play a game with you. Tell me which of the below quotes came from a child of God.


1.) Love the sinner, hate the sin


2.) Psalm 139:21-22 (KJV)
Do not I hate them, O L ORD , that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

If I didn't tell you that the first one came from Ghandi, you would have said it came from a child of God.

And if you didn't see Psalm written in the second quote, you would have mistaken it to be a hate speech from an evil man. But that speech came from David the man after God's heart, while the first quote came from Mahatma Ghandi, an unbeliever. It clearly means you would have crucified David and accepted Ghandi.

I have dealt with this matter before, and if you are not bereft of understanding, you would have seen the folly in using the words of David ( a Judaizer) in defending yourself.

Before Jesus gave the commandment on loving your enemies, what did Jesus say in Matthew 5 v 43?
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

Matthew 5 v 43 explains the mindset that was prevalent prior to the coming of Jesus on how to deal with one's enemies... but perhaps, alBHAGDADI is quite blind to that...and you're still here quoting Psalms on how to deal with enemies...



And after that, Jesus said we should love both our enemies and neighbors in Matthew 5 v 44;
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you


Aren't you ashamed even Ghandi figured this out, but an acclaimed Christian like you don't get it?
Or is it because Ghandi didn't label himself a Christian, you think he has no capacity whatsoever to know/understand the truth and say it?

OkCornel:
The bolded part of your quote only shows how ignorant you are. For you to say witches are principalities in high places shows you are the one that knows nothing!

Witches are flesh and blood (you wrestle not against them). It is the evil spirit that works through them that are the principalities in high places, the dark powers (you should be concerned with).



You are so narrow minded, you couldn't even figure out that Ghandi studied the Bible and Jesus and came up with that.
Please tell us how Ghandi was wrong with what he said. Did Jesus not love the prostitute and the thief but hated their sinful lifestyles? Or is there anything to the contrary you want to say?



I have dealt with this matter before, and if you are not bereft of understanding, you would have seen the folly in using the words of David ( a Judaizer) in defending yourself.

Before Jesus gave the commandment on loving your enemies, what did Jesus say in Matthew 5 v 43?
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

Matthew 5 v 43 explains the mindset that was prevalent prior to the coming of Jesus on how to deal with one's enemies... but perhaps, alBHAGDADI is quite blind to that...and you're still here quoting Psalms on how to deal with enemies...



And after that, Jesus said we should love both our enemies and neighbors in Matthew 5 v 44;
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you


Aren't you ashamed even Ghandi figured this out, but an acclaimed Christian like you don't get it?
Or is it because Ghandi didn't label himself a Christian, you think he has no capacity whatsoever to know/understand the truth and say it?

Arguing with me gives this one erection.

alBHAGDADI:
Arguing with me gives this one erection.

At this point, it is obvious this dude has nothing useful to say. You've not even made any valid point on this thread.

TRUE Christians are under a compulsory obligation to LOVE everyone! Matthew 5:44
The difference there is NOT to show any sign of approval for their wicked deeds{Psalms 97:10} neither fellowshiping with them as best of friends! Psalms 1:1-2
TRUE Christians knows the purpose of our life now, it is not to think that this condition is what God wanted for his earthly children. So while unbelievers are striving to live the best materialistic lifestyle thereis, TRUE Christians agree that they're squatting as NONE citizens in this ungodly world! John 17:14-16
So even if unbelievers should catch-up with TRUE Christians in a bid to kill them, TRUE Christians will either find a way of escape but NEVER KILL! Matthew 26:52
Because there is assured hope for those who died for the sake of Christ! Matthew 16:25
Whereas there is NO hope for unbelievers!
To illustrate, let's picture a man assuring a pauper of the best life ever if the pauper can follow him to his father's house which is very closeby.
On their way, they came into the midst of thousands of hungry paupers and a lorry full of loafs broke down.
While the paupers are struggling to get some loafs for sustainance, the supposed rich man's son also rushed to the site fighting with the paupers.
At first his pauper friend assumed he was going to fetch a loaf for him. But to his greatest amazement, the man joined the paupers in EATING the loafs and even calling his friend to come and struggle for a loaf!
Please will the pauper still trust any of his words?

Maximus69:
TRUE Christians are under a compulsory obligation to LOVE everyone! Matthew 5:44
The difference there is NOT to show any sign of approval for their wicked deeds{Psalms 97:10} neither fellowshiping with them as best of friends! Psalms 1:1-2
TRUE Christians knows the purpose of our life now, it is not to think that this condition is what God wanted for his earthly children. So while unbelievers are striving to live the best materialistic lifestyle thereis, TRUE Christians agree that they're squatting as NONE citizens in this ungodly world! John 17:14-16
So even if unbelievers should catch-up with TRUE Christians in a bid to kill them, TRUE Christians will either find a way of escape but NEVER KILL! Matthew 26:52
Because there is assured hope for those who died for the sake of Christ! Matthew 16:25
Whereas there is NO hope for unbelievers!
To illustrate, let's picture a man assuring a pauper of the best life ever if the pauper can follow him to his father's house which is very closeby.
On their way, they came into the midst of thousands of hungry paupers and a lorry full of loafs broke down.
While the paupers are struggling to get some loafs for sustainance, the supposed rich man's son also rushed to the site fighting with the paupers.
At first his pauper friend assumed he was going to fetch a loaf for him. But to his greatest amazement, the man joined the paupers in EATING the loafs and even calling his friend to come and struggle for a loaf!
Please will the pauper still trust any of his words?

God bless you for this apt submission...


But guess what, the OP will still struggle to connect the dots...

OkCornel:
God bless you for this apt submission...


But guess what, the OP will still struggle to connect the dots...

I know him for one thing!
He will soon say 'don't mind that Jehovah's Witness'
So even if what he sees is judging him, he will stubbornly turn his face, harden his heart and start claiming he has the GRACE just as Pharisees who killed Jesus claimed God will overlook whatever evil they do as long as they're Abraham's descendants! Luke 3:8-9

Maximus69:
I know him for one thing!
He will soon say 'don't mind that Jehovah's Witness'
So even if what he sees is judging him, he will stubbornly turn his face, harden his heart and start claiming he has the GRACE just as Pharisees who killed Jesus claimed God will overlook whatever evil they do as long as they're Abraham's descendants! Luke 3:8-9

Na today? the guy dey even call me Satanist after exposing his numerous lies and ignorance on the scriptures...

Guess what, Jesus' worst enemies were not even the Romans that crucified Him. It was the self-righteous religious Pharisees and Saducees. The same set of people that accused Jesus of obtaining powers from Belzeebub... They hated Jesus for saying the truth...

The same script is playing itself out here again...

OkCornel:
Na today? the guy dey even call me Satanist after exposing his numerous lies and ignorance on the scriptures...
Guess what, Jesus' worst enemies were not even the Romans that crucified Him. It was the self-righteous religious Pharisees and Saducees. The same set of people that accused Jesus of obtaining powers from Belzeebub... They hated Jesus for saying the truth...
The same script is playing itself out here again...

It's not a matter of guessing!
That's the plain truth.
Satan knows how to fetch his own agents in a way that they themselves won't realise it. All they just have to do is claiming they're DISORGANIZED worshipers of the same God but furious at those who are well organized! John 16:2,17:14-16 compared to Matthew 10:22
That was what happened during the time of Moses, Elijah, Jesus and Jehovah's Witnesses are experiencing the same thing today!
¤Moses faced Israelites who wanted each person to stand on his own as worshipers of the same God, NOT organized as ONE body behind a leader like Moses! Number 16:1-35
¤Elijah faced Israelites who wanted each person to stand on his own as worshipers of the same God, NOT organized as ONE body. But take note, this time Satan made them feel it is the same God to be worshiped in DIFFERENT settings on 450 different altars apart from another 400 priests serving as God's representatives under the authority of the Queen! 1King 18:17-40
¤Jesus faced Israelites who wanted each person to stand on his own as worshipers of the same God, NOT organized as ONE body. So there were Pharisees, Sadducees, Schribes and other Rabbis in Judea alone apart from other religious teachers in Samaria!
But all of them teamed up against Jesus who was organizing a GROUP of worshipers in his name! John 11:47-48 Act 23:1-9
Today Satan is blindfolding them under the old group name 'CHRISTIANS', but they're NOT organized in one form of worship, yet they're all claiming to be worshipers of the God of Jesus{whose own followers were well known and easily recognized due to there oneness in speech and activities} Act 11:26
Jehovah changed the name of his own true worshipers to a strange one that keeps baffling them{Isaiah 43:10,65:15} that's why they keep agitating as they can all see that this group is GLOBALLY organized as one happy family in their worship and all of them are having one single line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10 Ephesians 4:3-6

^^^

When a Jehovah's False Witness and a Satanist come together, just know that they are going to have a hell of a gay sex over my issue.

alBHAGDADI:
^^^

When a Jehovah's False Witness and a Satanist come together, just know that they are going to have a hell of a gay sex over my issue.

Luke 6:45

alBHAGDADI:
^^^

When a Jehovah's False Witness and a Satanist come together, just know that they are going to have a hell of a gay sex over my issue.

Can you see how predictable you are? You have side stepped from the main issue being discussed here after your lies are now exposed...

Isn't it interesting that your kind of christianity involves bearing false witness?


While at it...

When are you going to provide evidence that I am a satanist? Or are you like your pharisitic ancestors that falsely accused Jesus of being in league with Belzeebub?


ALSO


These human enemies of God (for example the atheist and the witch), why hasn't God deemed it necessary to take their lives and judge them immediately?

If God is being merciful to them...is mercy not an act of love?

alBHAGDADI:
The Church that was bombed I Sri Lanka does not belong to God. It was a Catholic Church and it is not of God, so they deserve they probably deserve the punishment.

Your brain is too light to handle more of what I have to say.

Are you then insinuating that the Baptist Church and other Pentecostal churches have not suffered same attack? Because you are sounding bias.

Agrogbeide:
Are you then insinuating that the Baptist Church and other Pentecostal churches have not suffered same attack? Because you are sounding bias.

That guy is empty headed...till now he has no response to what you raised...