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There is a trend in the Muslim world, where bad Muslim leaders are often the most beloved. The first 4 Muslim caliphs, and many prominent imams are very dark unlovable characters, with very sick views, but they are beloved in the Muslim world.

Want to know more about Khomeini? Read on the 1988 execution of Iranian political prisoners and or the Operation Ramadan in the 80's Iraq-Iran war, where Khomeini needlessly sacrificed children to bodily clear up defense minefield on Iraq's borders, to pave way for a military invasion and conquer of Iraq.

Albaqr: What do you know from the Islamic Republic of Iran?
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Do you know that Iran is the only country in the Middle East that can produce a three-dimensional microscope?

Did you know that Iran is the only country in the world producing the Eye implant?

Did you know that Iran is the only country in Asia that can produce cast iron with a scale of 2000 millimeters?

Albaqr's next step is to showcase Iran's technological gains in the last 40 years. These are quite impressive, if they are not overblown and exaggerated. I know I've stated that traditional Islam hinders human progress. And I still stand by that.

And there is a cost for a population that is advancing this fast. And the cost is faith. You can't have technology without science, and sometimes advance science raises questions that faith cannot answer.

More and more people in the Muslim world are leaving Islam partly for scientific reasons. This will eventually cause a shift towards more democratic rule, than the theocracy Iranian regime masquerades as democracy.

Alright, technology is one thing, but let's look at Iran's human right records in the last 40 years.

Women lost the right to wear or not to wear headscarf and have never regained it.

People lost their right to eat in the day time of Ramadan, never regained it.

Girls are marriageable as from 9 years.

Enforced gender segregation.

Criminalization of apostasy

No freedom of speech against Islam and cleric-authority.

Atheism and Bahaism outlawed.

Amputation of thieves

Homosexual marriage outlawed and sodomy or adultery remain capital offense.

Meanwhile murder is not necessarily a capital offense.

Men can marry more women without consent of their spouse

Marital rape is legal.

Women forbidden as judges in courts.

Lets stop here. 40 years after the revolution, this is Khomeini's legacy. The shah's reign had better human and minority rights record than the Islamic republic. Women in underdeveloped Nigeria have better right than a super power that supposedly deal with nuclear weapon and groundbreaking medicine.

Of the 57 Muslim countries, Iran is the biggest loser because they were their own civilization before militant Islam invaded Persia. Much of the so called 'Islamic science' heavily borrowed from Persian literature. 1400 years later, Iranians learnt nothing of history and now compete with Arabs on militant Islam.

"Death to America! Death to Israel!" These empty chants serve to remind us the regime retains her loyalty to the ummah, unlike the 'sold out Saudi A'. Iranian regime are yet to launch an invasion of Israel. But they keep playing the Palestinian occupation card. They delude the Palestinians, they only care for themselves. They have no fixed ally.

People are ignorant that in the 1953 coup d'etat against Iran elected Prime minister Mossadegh, senior Ayatollahs of Iran(Khomeini's mentors) aided the CIA against the secular leftist. And Khomeini at the time supported the coup. Many of these ayatollahs are politicians in robes and turban, their loyalty shift with time and circumstances and Islam is their opium for the masses.

Recall that Albaqr called out the Saudis on the war in Yemen. What is going on in Yemen is not just about Saudi, it is in part an extension of the proxy conflict between Saudi and Iran for regional dominance. This proxy conflict rears it head again in the Syrian civil war where Iran backs the Syrian dictator against the Saudi/Western backed rebels.

Iranians have staged protests in the past against these foreign policies the regime continue to fund at the cost of economy of the country.

Iran call itself an Islamic Republic. An oxymoron. Iranian politicians have to be screened by the Ayatollahs. So, these politicians have to be conservative Muslims or pretend to be conservative Muslims to pass. Hence Iranians can only elect from a pool of Muslim fanatics, and so we get presidents like Ahmedinejad who denies that homosexuals exist in Iran.

But a lot of Iranians are liberal Muslims who are trapped under authority of a fanatic Muslim regime. And for them, Islam is an Arab ideology they're caught in.

Enough Albaqr & Iran, time to return to our thread of focus:

spiritualmuby: SA- Always tarnishing the image of islam.

Oh, that is not true. Saudi Arabia are the closest thing to a traditional Islamic state that the world have.

so the headquater of islam hosting a satanic event is not a problem, huh? Savage.

Look, Saudis are human beings. They are not salat robots, they have needs and wants. Also, not all Saudi Muslims share your view on haram/halal. And some of them are closet ex-Muslims or just not religious.

Abuheekmet: Am brother to the man Allah used to clean Saudi.. Muhammad Abdul wahab.. Killed sufi and the likes back then...just like Ali killed the kufar Shia back then.. Burnt them alive.. Hahahaha

See that? And they tell us that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam.

Years back, I had an in-law who read and adored Ibn Abdul wahhab. When I pointed that Ibn Abdul wahhab taught killing of Muslims who committed 'shrik' or 'bida'. He expressed his approval of such teachings, as a necessity to keep the ummah from deviation and ultimately hell.

This disturbed me for a while. I've met Muslims with such views on the internet several time, najib, Fundamentalizt, AbdelKabir. These are cold blooded Wahhabis. I never imagine ever meeting a pro-Wahhabi in my own life. But I got over it eventually, because this in-law was a nice fellow and didn't look like he could hurt a fly.

Disturbing as it seems, I respect Abuheekmet for being frank. Not all religious people are capable of such degree of frankness when expressing their religion. The devil you know is better than the angel you don't know.

There are far more peaceful and friendly Muslims who you cannot help but admire. Until you find out how sick and twisted their hidden beliefs are. You can find some of these two face, double dealing Muslims if you look harder at those Muslim condemning frank Muslims like Abuheekmet.

true2god:
If Mariah Carey had performed in sokoto (Nigeria) or Islamabad (Pakistan) I am 100% sure that many churches would have been burnt down and many Christian life would have been lost because a kafir performed an 'immoral' song in the land of the ummah. But here we have mariah Carey performed life in Saudi Arabia, the traditional home of Islam, and there was no any single case of killing, burnings and rioting. In the next 10-20 years, the Saudis will host the world's most beautiful girl beauty pageant and nothing will happen.

That's an over-exaggeration. But who knows, it may be possible. Remember back in 2015 when two Churches were burnt down in Katsina in reaction to an alleged blasphemous statement by a christian teacher in the classroom.

But you must know that what is done, is less important than who does it. If it were American agents that hosted this event in Saudi A, the uproar would have been so loud from the fanatics, who would bemoan a western conspiracy to take Muslims from Islam. The fanatics are quiet now because it is Muslims that hosted this event.

When Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi and Bin Laden were killed by non-Muslims, you could hear the cries from Muslims. When Salman Taseer or Jamal Khashoggi were killed by Muslims, there were only faint moans among a few Muslims, then everyone went their way as if nothing happened.

true2god: Nigeria Muslims should open their eyes and use their brain. The Saudis are loosing up and have come to realize that religious fanatism is taking them nowhere hence the social engineering going on in Saudi Arabia to make the people think like modern men and not to dwell on the thinking of the primitive sahabas in the 7th century (using the hadith as a guide).

Don't be fooled. They are not realizing anything. I know they have allowed women to drive and now cinemas, but it is all propaganda. If the regime were serious, they'll initate a thorough progressive reform of Islamic thought, that accommodate such changes. These superficial changes we've seen can be easily reversed in future, in the name of Islam.

Before the 80s, women in Saudi A didn't have to wear headscarf, didn't need the company of male guardian to travel, there were cinemas and people weren't force out for salat. You ever learnt why these changed?

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Ataturk tried to move Turkey foward by suppressing Islamist thoughts and expression, without reforming them. See what have become of Turkey under Edorgan? Shah Reza Pahlavi tried the same in Iran, see how it failed?

You can't just get people to reason by opening cinemas, hosting musicians and lifting the ban on female driver; while their imam is teaching them how to beat their wives, or that women without hijab are immoral sluts or that the sun runs to her resting place.

Real & lasting change will emerge organically in Saudi and the rest of Muslimdom with people, particularly of generation Y and Z, questioning orthodoxy and the religious texts, as is already happening. But real lasting change wont happen with MBS's modernization policies.

tru2god: The Saudis would rather destroy the Shi'a Iran yet make a good friend of the Israelis. No matter what the Israeli do, the Saudis will always back them up secretly while the ignorant Muslims will protest in their various countries or embassies.

Persians and Arabs are no bed fellows. It is a bigger issue than Shia - Sunni divide. And even if they're of the same sect, that doesn't make them the same team. Let me explain.

In the WW1, the Saudis took the side of British against the Ottomans. Even before WW1, the Saudis Wahhabis have been at war with the Ottomans, whose caliphate they undermined and wanted to replace. Of course, you might assume racial difference would be the cause of this, but this is not the full truth. I'll explain further.

In the era Arab Nationalism and Secularism(1950s-1970s), Egypt had a dictator, Gamal Abdel Naseer, who was arguably the most popular and powerful Arab at the time. Naseer was opposed to western imperialism and state of Israel, which as a military commander, he plotted to invade(and he did invade). He thus posed a threat to the Western hedgemony over the middle east.

At the same time, Naseer was a secularist. He rejected the Muslim Brotherhood(MB) proposal to enforce sharia. They sought to radicalize and mobilize Egyptian Muslims against him, but he cracked hard on them. Throughout Naseer's reign, the MB formed an unholy alliance with western imperials, whom they worked closely with, to undermine Naseer's reign and oust him out of power, and rule Egypt under sharia.

I have already explained how the Iranian Ayatollahs sided with US in the successful coup against Mossadegh. It is all politics. The only reason why Iran opposes the US is all due to politics. It has nothing to do with US being non-Muslims or anti-Islam as Khamanei or Khomeini would have you believe.

It is in the best political interest of Al Saud family to ally with US. The Al Saud dynasty need the US to shield their rule in case of rebellion. Throughout Muslim history, the dynasties struggled with insurgencies from within Muslimdom. In the middle ages, these dynasties commanded powerful armies to preserve their reign.

But unlike the earlier Muslim dynasties, Al Saud dynasty do not have their own army to resist similar threats. This can be seen in 1979 seizure of the Grand mosque at Makkah, where French forces had to come to rescue. If the pact between US and Saudi breaks today, and Saudis do not find a powerful ally immediately, ISIS, Hizbollah or Al Qaeda will bring the end of Al Saud era.

najib: You should stop associating Muslims with violence. As long as no one insults the messenger of Allah S.A.W and Allah S.W.T. you can do what ever you want. Why do you think Muslims of Sokoto and Islamabad will protest if I may ask you? Anyway that aside, if there's no hypocrisy in your heart you wouldn't support, immorality and Satanism.

Call us fanatics and whatever that's worse than that, but we do not care Allah knows what is in our hearts. I swear by Allah, something big is coming and it will consume the people of falsehood, their promoters and allies. Let them rejoice it is but a little while that ibn Maryam A.S will come. Almost all the minor signs have come to pass, it is time for those of us who are not deluded by the duniya to increase in our ibada, sincerity, and memorize the holy Qur'an.

OK. So, najib is still relatively new in this section and you can tell from the tone and choice of his words that he is morose and ignorant. He basically jumped in and rips into tru2god. He invokes the minor signs and the second coming of Jesus.

In traditional Islamic eschatology, the minor signs are basically unspecific and vague predictions open to multiple interpretations. Some of them include;

Consumption of alcohol will be widespread
A man will pass a grave and wish that he was in it.
Earthquakes will increase
Female singers and musical instruments will be popular.
The last ones of the Ummah begin to curse the first ones.

Notice all of these signs existed since the dawn or even prior the dawn of Islam. And just anyone with common sense could predict them. And as they are so unspecific, any Muslim at any point of history can observe them. But you'll find Muslims and Christians who still parrot them with infinite conviction.

Here are more specific minor signs;

The conquest of Jerusalem by Muslims
Conquest of India by Muslims
Conquest of Constantinopole by Muslims.

They seem more convincing but if you look deeper, there are cracks. Conquest of Jerusalem happened in the 7th century when a hadith could have easily been fabricated after it. Same applies to conquest of India which began in the 8th century.

Conquest of Constantinopole happened much later about 15th century, this is less likely to be fabricated after the event. You can never tell, though. But the Dajjal(Antichrist) is to emerge about the same time as the conquest of Constantinople. So, where is this Dajjal?

Even if one or two of these were true, how can we rule out coincidence or smart prediction? Look, we have an 1898 novella by Morgan Robertson - Futility or Wreck of the Titan - about a sinking ship with very striking resemblance to the sinking of RMS Titanic in 1912. Please, think.

They seem more convincing but if you look deeper, there are cracks. Conquest of Jerusalem happened in the 7th century when a hadith could have easily been fabricated after it. Same applies to conquest of India which began in the 8th century.

Conquest of Constantinopole happened much later about 15th century, this is less likely to be fabricated after the event. You can never tell, though. But the Dajjal(Antichrist) is to emerge about the same time as the conquest of Constantinople. So, where is this Dajjal?

you just tried to be relevant. "Conquest of Constantinople" by Sultan Muhammad Fatih was just a coincidence. I'm sure you know a hadith that speaks about it. If you read the Hadith it has this to say.


Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the request of Constantinople and the request of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) stuck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal).



If you ponder on this hadith you get to realize that conquest of Constantinople by Sultan Muhammad Fatih was just coincidence. Why?. Bcuz Jerusalem was not even a state at the time. That's, there was no Jewish state. You can now see clearly with Trump recognizing Jerusalem as israel capital. So Jerusalem is being built up while Medina is in ruin. This doesn't have to be physical ruin. It could also mean it has no political or religious functions in the world. The only thing that is very important there now is qabr of Nabi (saw). Nothing more. So war breaking out is imminent with status of Medina in desolation. It is true that many Sunnis believe that conquest of Constantinople by Sultan Muhammad Fatih was the fulfilment of the prophecy but it is clear now that it was not.


Not only that, there is another hadith which praised the commander of the army which means that for the Noble prophet muhammad (saw) to praise that army suggests he would be righteous commander. Definitely Muhammad Fatih doesn't fit that position. So conquest of Constantinople is future event. As for prophecies you mentioned, truly they aren't new. At the end of every Age there were always warnings and trails of disasters. For instance Lut(as) warned his people against man having intercourse with another man until final warning overcame them. The same prophecy reiterated by Nabi Muhammad (saw) which means there would always be repetition of past evils and consequently there would be punishment. This doesn't mean those hadith were fabricated.

For instance Allah said He preserved Pharaoh's physical body to be a sign to a people who would live like him. Now we have bunch of Pharaohs who live like Pharaoh of Moses and they will die the way he died. Dajjal will eventually appear in human form but right now he set up his traits (system) ahead for us to get used to him. He's not obscure ugly looking entity. He's human being "programmed" for a specific function.

Najib invokes the return of Jesus

Let them rejoice it is but a little while that ibn Maryam A.S will come.

Next, najib believes in the return of Jesus. Which is fine. I don't believe Qur'an spells this, but to each their own interpretation. Now, what I challenge are the traditional Muslim beliefs concerning the return of Jesus, which obviously najib holds. Some of them includes;

Jesus on his return will embrace the Muslim ummah.

But Christians believe Jesus will join them. Muslims may say, "Christians have gone astray". But this is subjective reasoning. Christians believe Muslims are astray as well. Also, even if Christians are astray, can we really be certain that Muslims have not also gone astray? There are several hadith implying that Muslims will eventually fall astray as Jews and Christians; https://sunnah.com/muslim/47/7

Some Muslims think that they can save themselves by adhering to the 'sunnah of the prophet as understood by the companions'. Still, there is no guarantee in this. Because the prophet is reported to have told his closest companions that he cannot guarantee their fate after his death; Muwatta Malik, Book of Jihad, Hadith 32.

Jesus will rule according to sunnah of Muhammad

I don't know how this works. We know that Muhammad's supposed sunnah have not aged well. If Jesus return, it'll be more practical to adopt a new sunnah. Sunnah like banning music and pictures of human/animals are too antiquated to work in our time. Muhammad's supposed sunnah is riddled with flaws and no messiah for mankind will live by it.

Jesus will kill all the pigs

This reminds me of the hadith on Muhammad ordering the killing of all dogs, or black dogs. Obviously, Jesus isn't killing the pigs for food. So, why kill the pigs? Isn't this animal abuse? Doesn't Islam forbid this?

Jesus will die naturally and be buried by Muslims.

What's more interesting is that, Muslims have reserved an empty grave for Jesus beside Muhammad's grave in Medina. I'm trying hard not to laugh here. Because when you read further you find that Muslims have expanded the Medina mosque to incorporate Muhammad's grave and far beyond, to make room for more worshippers.

So, if there is an empty grave there, Muslims built concrete over it. Does this make sense? And so Muslim built their temple over the grave of their prophet(s) despite their prophet cursing Jews and Christians for building temples over graves of their prophets. The hypocrisy.

https://sunnah.com/muslim/5/26

user.mane:
Jesus will kill all the pigs

This reminds me of the hadith on Muhammad ordering the killing of all dogs, or black dogs. Obviously, Jesus isn't killing the pigs for food. So, why kill the pigs? Isn't this animal abuse? Doesn't Islam forbid this?

Apply a little bit of wisdom. So you expect Jesus to go around and killing pigs and breaking crosses?. This is foolishness.

This Hadith is symbolic. It is symbolically talking about end of tyranny who were cursed by Allah and turned to apes and pigs Q 5:60

Apes and pigs mentioned in this Ayah doesn't necessarily mean pigs in literal sense either. It could mean their behaviors. Today they behave like pigs and want the rest of the world to be like them. So Jesus killing pigs symbolises killing the behavioral system of the animal. So sorry, I don't expect him to go around and killing every pig just like when he returns he will break the cross. He will break the cross means bye bye to Christianity. It is a symbol.



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Empiree:
Apply a little bit of wisdom. So you expect Jesus to go around and killing pigs and breaking crosses?. This is foolishness.

This Hadith is symbolic. It is symbolically talking about end of tyranny who were cursed by Allah and turned to apes and pigs Q 5:60

Apes and pigs mentioned in this Ayah doesn't necessarily mean pigs in literal sense either. It could mean their behaviors. Today they behave like pigs and want the rest of the world to be like them. So Jesus killing pigs symbolises killing the behavioral system of the animal. So sorry, I don't expect him to go around and killing every pig just like when he returns he will break the cross. He will break the cross means bye bye to Christianity. It is a symbol.



Allah knows best
I know you are allergic to this phrase

Allah must be very weak to keep us waiting for over 2000 years and still haven't broken the cross. He will wait till infinity to break the cross.

Anyway, allah does not know best. Just a simple 'I don't know' or'I am not sure', you guys cannot say. Why always drag Allah into your delusions.

true2god:
Allah must be very weak to keep us waiting for over 2000 years and still haven't broken the cross. He will wait till infinity to break the cross.

Anyway, allah does not know best. Just a simple 'I don't know' or'I am not sure', you guys cannot say. Why always drag Allah into your delusions.

just like your bosses invested heavily on anti-islam to end it since the time of immemorial but Islam is still here standing tall. Remember son of hamaz who claimed on ABC news in 2006 that Islam would end in 10yrs?. Islam is still here but he and his name now reside in garbage bin.