Empyree's emotional/phycological manipulation: Case study

Let's go to my thread on Sharia laws breaching Human rights, page 2 - https://www.nairaland.com/5144263/25-sharia-laws-breaching-human/2#77992885

It starts with Empyree uploading a video, where an Imam condemn Sri Lanka shooting. I could not for my life understand the relevance to my thread. As usual, I ignored Empyree's post -

Empyree:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT84Uj_hROE

Any way, enters tru2god. Who state his distrust in this imam for condemning killing of innocent people but later on declaring polytheism as the greatest crime. Please, note the underlined.

tru2god:
At 1:35mins, the sheik asked the Muslims to fight against oppression and evil. This is OK, if he stops there but he listed 7 main sources of evil and oppression. The list are:

1) Associating partner with Allah.

2) Magic and sorcery.

3) Killing of innocent people.

4) Time will draw close.

5) Knowledge will decrease

6) Fitna will increase

7) Murder and genocide will appear.

The fist point he made obviously talked about the Christians. The Christian call Jesus 'the son of God' and this is ranked as the greatest evil in Islam; associating partner with Allah. This Christian belief has been in force over 500yrs before Muhammed was born and over 2000 yrs by now. So when a sheikh, in a mosque, keep parroting the same old Islamic narrative against a core christian belief, is he trying to make peace or create more disunity among people of different faith? I will leave you to be the judge. Remember, he was meant to sound conciliatory immediately after Sri Lanka attack by some Muslim terrorist but he is busy castigating the beliefs of the victims. Imagine a pastor, after the new Zealand attack, holding a church service condemning the attack but at the same time saying that Mohammed is a fake prophet, how do you see that?

Some how, this triggered Empyree, and he latched on the underlined words of tru2god, in accusing the fellow of knowing Christianity is polytheism all along. Of course, this was a ruse. Empyree knows fully well that tru2god was simply making a case. No Christian regard the trinity as 3 Gods or polytheism.

Empyree:
So you know that you have been deceiving yourself in your faith?. You know that you perpetrated worst evil by associating partners with God and yet, you claimed to worship one God. Sometimes we learn the truth by way of deception which you put on display here.

Still, Empyree posts this to hurt or provoke tru2god, knowing fully well that Christians won't take such accusation lightly. He even posts that tru2god & his co-Christians don't want peace. He recount so may other anecdotes & de-contextualized events from the distant past till present to support this.

Empyree:
It is clear you guys want no peace. You deliberately chose to misinterpret his sermons to suit you. What else can Muslims say or do to please you guys?. His message is as clear as daylight. He extended peace gestures but you guys still complain. Why in the world you think #1 actually referred to CHRISTIANS?

It is true that the worst form of oppression is ascribing partners with God but this oppression is against one's soul bcuz in the grave and on the Day of judgement it is not gonna be funny.

I swear the way you reason here makes me sad. Why did you choose to distort his message?. As for the letter he talked about, it would have been better if you said you would research it rather than arriving at the conclusion.

I now believe that CHRISTIAN world don't want peace. Example was recent release of the lady arrested in Saudi Arabia. CAN already played religious card

I am now convinced that CHRISTIANs don't want peace. No wonder media would still portray a white CHRISTIAN nationalist as "Islamic terrorists". This is truly deep hatred. So sad man that you Mr. True2god could stooped so low. The sheikh even said that evil perpetrated against Sri Lankan CHRISTIANs killing over 200 worshippers was oppression and Muslim must identified with the oppressed (the victims).

What you just did here is the same trait throughout Christian history. In 1930s, the italian general Graziani did the same. He claimed he wanted peace. He summoned Umar Mukhtar to peace talks under a tent. While peace talks were ongoing, his troops were sending armoured tanks to Kufa to attack Umar's army. Yet he's "negotiating peace talks".

George Bush did the same when pressure mounted to leave Iraq, he said no problem. We would move our troops from Iraq and exist from Iran (that's, invade iran on our way out). Yet, he was "negotiating peace talks" with Iraq. When white CHRISTIAN nationalist killed 50 people in NZ, a Christian apologist based in Abuja published article that the CHRISTIAN terrorist guy was linked to islamist terrorists. Now you too did the same thing. You guys want no peace.

So, what Empyree has done so far is guilt-tripping. He's guilt tripping tru2god of polytheism and non-cooperation for peace.

Empyree's guilt-triping did not succeed at first. When tru2god returns, tru2god merely restated and defended his position on the sermon. But you can tell he was a little ticked off in his final paragragh which he devoted to slamming Islam and Muslims' poor history of co-existence with other faiths and believers.

tru2god:
I am pointing out the errors in that 'sermon' and you are here blaming me. If a terrorist attacks a mosque and kill 100 people and a pastor, in his church, condemned the attack but at the same time told his congregation that Mohammed is a false prophet and a great sin to believe he is a prophet, what will you say? When you are condemning such a horrendous crime you have no reason to attack/mock the faith of the victims which is what the sheik did. It is better for one to keep quiet when a bad incident occur than to open his mouth to make a provocative statement.

On the alleged letter Mohammed wrote to ensure the security of Christians which the imam spoke about in the 14th minute into the video, why are Saudi and Iranian authorities not adhering to the instruction to the so-called 'prophet's letter'? Why are they still arresting Christians and apostates in Saudi Arabia and Iran?

There are over 10 major religions on earth, why are virtually all the other religions living peacefully with other except Islam? Why are we always having conflict between Islam and other religions? You guys should do a soul searching and stop playing 'they hate us' game.

Now, tru2god's final paragraph further provoked Empyree, and the latter returns with more guilt-tripping, blame game & mudslinging. He blames all what he he deems "evil" on the tru2god's religious brothers - the Christian west. All evil comes from the Christian west, including the Muslim terrorists reciting Qur'an and shouting Allahu Akbar as they amputate a pilferer.

Empyree:
As I said before, you guys want no peace. It doesn't matter what you say again.

Clearly you don't want peace. Sheikh clearly stated that muslims should identity with victims but you somehow interpreted his message to suit you. The world is seeing what you guys are doing.

It is you CHRISTIANs that brought evils into the modern world. Homosexual, children insulting their parents is their right. They do what they want is their right. Feminism is their right. Walking around Unclad is your right. Talk nonsense is your right. But when a Muslim woman dresses modestly she's uneducated slave. And the list goes on. We wouldn't be having this discussion if you were truthful after you watched the video.

Fact remains that all these terrorists around the world are created directly or indirectly by Judeo CHRISTIAN leaders and I have provided proof in the past. John McCain (may his soul burn in hell) was one of them. Because hes no longer around was the reason his boys lost the battle. He was the one that lobbied for terrorists. And that Jerry Falwell a Christian terrorist(may he rot in hell) was one of the instigators of war in Iraq on false premise.

And this guilt-tripping might have succeeded this time. Because we can see in tru2god's following post that he is forced to come to apology for his Christian brothers and deny any of those "evils" Empyree blames on Christian are really encouraged by Christians.

tru2god:
The liberals and the leftists are the ones promoting vices around the western world. The Christian in the US and Europe as still being regarded as 'conservatives and evangelicals' because of their view which are often against the so-called liberal progressive views. Over 80% of leftist and 'progressives' identified as atheist and they are sympathetic to anything that goes against the Judaeo-christian values such as pornography, LGBT, feminism and their so-called 'human and animal right'. The leftist and the atheist are also the greatest supporters of Islam in the US and Europe.

tru2god not only falls into apology for his coreligionists, but he plunges into Empyree's blame game and mudslinging at this point;

tru2god:
I don't buy that. You guys should take responsibility for your actions and stop the blame games. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for the battle of karbala which resulted into the split of Islam into the Sunni and the shia. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for the apostate war immediately after the death of Mohammed.

The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for killing the grandson of the prophet who dies in the hands of the Sunnis Muslims. The Judaeo-christian world is not the responsible for the current persecution of Christians in the middle east. The Judaeo-christian world is not the responsible with the current diplomatic stand-off between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Even in some occasions whereby the CIA trained Muslim militia to fight fellow Muslims, why are Muslims so naive to fall for that trap? Why cant muslims put their house in order for more than 1400 years?

As a gentleman, Empyree should've just let it go after tru2god at first criticized the sermon. But Empyree is no gentleman, he lacks tact, he instead loses his temper and unleash his rage in his reply to tru2god. Empyree tries to get under his opponent's skin, he tries to get int their head.

Shortly after, when I posted for homosexuality, Empyree did not hesistate to like and re-post tru2god's post and commending tru2god for opposing me against homosexuality. So that the two of them together, gladly opposed me like they had not just been fighting.

https://www.nairaland.com/5144263/25-sharia-laws-breaching-human/2#78102705
https://www.nairaland.com/5144263/25-sharia-laws-breaching-human/3#78105791
https://www.nairaland.com/5144263/25-sharia-laws-breaching-human/3#78109463

This is Empyree at his finest. He first psychologically manipulates a man and guilt trip the man into apology for his co-religionists. And then he psychologically manipulates the man by liking and re-posting the man's comments - opposing another man, obviously of course to make the man feel good again.

Empyree V Abdulbasit

Here a Muslim arrives with an intelligent question. Why does Allah create Rhesus factor, which in fetal blood stimulates maternal blood antibodies that crosses blood-placenta barrier and cause hemolytic disease of newborn.

https://www.nairaland.com/5155136/why-did-allah-create-rhesus#77872404

Abdulbasit:

The rhesus factor D(Rhd) is an antigen in human blood. It has been discovered to cause birth defect and stillborn of new born babies if the mother is negative Rhd and the father is positive.

Why did Allah create an antigen that is dangerous to human babies? How are you as a Muslim able to renconcile Rhd factor with an all knowing, perfect God?

NB: I converted to Islam late 2014. I've learnt a lot about Islam from this section but I am beggining to have second thoughts.

Empyree attempt to provide an answer, but never does. His answer strongly implies he did not even understand the question.

Empyree:

Doesn't antigen has some benefits to talk about. Why is your focus only on negative aspect?. There is always positive and negative, advantages and disadvantages. Both are necessarily needed to work together to put your body in check.

Antigen also prevents disease or sickness.

Now, he could've stopped there. Every sincere theist will have doubts. As Empyree fails to understand, there is no such thing as perfect ideology or perfect book. And doubts will arise among co-religionists, even among the most devoted. That is provided they are sincere.

Empyree:
second thought because of antigen?. You sure there was sincerity in your heart to begin with?

Is this not guilt-tripping? I stand to be corrected. What's this meant for. To push Abdulbasit into questioning his his sincerity rather than his faith? Classic psychological manipulation at play here, if you ask me.

Now, this is a valid question as far as perfect and all intelligent creator of human is concerned. It is one that no theist could respond to. Albaqr's attempt was nothing more than "Rhesus factor shouldn't be considered flaw in design because we just might be yet to understand its importance."

Anyway, I've dealt with blood groups and how the incompatibilities between the blood groups and severe reaction when they mix, poses a crucial challenge to theists. See my post;

usermane:
Najib invites tru2god to study Islam



Of course, if you believe in hitting misbehaving wives, believe that two different sea waters or salt and fresh water are separated by an inviolable barrier, believe that mountains prevent the earth from shaking, then Islam is the has no fault in it.

Najib is a big joke. I ignored his invitation because he will teach the ignorant kafir a sanitized Islam. Muslims hate hearing a bitter truth about their religion and their only response is usually violence, threat of violence or abuse. My Muslim neighbour was shocked that his kafir neighbour was schooling him about Islam and he stopped greeting me 'good morning bros' and I don't care about his feelings but will continue telling him the truth.

Empyree: Guilt of a Muslim migrant to the land of 'fasad'(mischief)

Another defining trait of Empyree is his vocal hate for the western culture of 'fasad' - homosexuality, nudity, blasphemy, anti-Islam, alcohol, promiscuity. He hates that the western regimes fund wars against or among Muslims. All of this is laid out in his guilt tripping of tru2god as I analyzed in my last post:

Empyree:

It is you CHRISTIANs that brought evils into the modern world. Homosexual, children insulting their parents is their right. They do what they want is their right. Feminism is their right. Walking around Unclad is your right. Talk nonsense is your right. But when a Muslim woman dresses modestly she's uneducated slave. And the list goes on. We wouldn't be having this discussion if you were truthful after you watched the video.

Fact remains that all these terrorists around the world are created directly or indirectly by Judeo CHRISTIAN leaders and I have provided proof in the past.

But hypocritically, Empyree is an immigrant to US, the land that permit all the fasad, everything that he despises. He is not a Caucasian or African American, he has no reason to remain in US if he truly hates the fasad. He chose to remain there. To what? To cry and bitch.

Why not emigrate from the US? After all, the westerners themselves are tired of Muslim migrants, even though they continue to be politically correct. So if the fasad is too much, what keeps Empyree from emigrating elsewhere?

Why not move to Brunei? Don't like there?; What about Saudi A? Too strict?; Iran? Too Shiite? Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesia, Qatar? There are 57 Muslim countries that don't condone fasad, surely they'll be happy to have Empyree and his family.

If you're a Muslim and you can't stand 'fasad', there is absolutely no reason to remain in the west. You recall what God asked Lot to do in Sodom, the city of fasad? He asked Lot to leave with his family and believers.

That's right, the mere immigration of traditional Muslims to the west is a violation of traditional Islam itself. And guess what, hadith reports that Muhammad;

- disowned Muslims who settle with the kufars
- warned Muslims who remain with the people of fasad that when Allah's punishment comes upon the land, even the pious Muslims in the land will bear it.
- requested even Muslim converts from outside Islamic state to emigrate to the Islamic state.

Empyree knows these well;

Empyree:
Sometimes Allah does punish some people because of their violations of His laws whether they are physical or moral. Homosexuality is prime example. When the general punishment comes then the sinners and the innocents are all destroyed. The Qur'an tells us that many nations and communities were destroyed because of their sinful lifestyles.

When sin is confined only sinner faces consequences but when sin (homosexual) is gloried and protected under common law, expect trouble if religious do not respond to curb it. Otherwise, all of us will be punished including you, Mr. pro gay hiding behind progressive and human right.

Empyree sees all these evidences to his hypocrisy and he resort to psychologically manipulate us to forget his fault - his fault of living in the land of fasad and associating with the people of fasad. And he does so by constantly reminding us that it is Christians that are to blame for these fasad, not Muslims like him.

Overzealous Muslims like Empyree in the west internally deal with guilt, for living in the land of fasad(west). And to sublimate their guilt they have to project their guilt upon people they deem as encouraging or engaging in the fasad, as if to remind their God that they are not in support of this fasad, even though they've overlooked their God's requirement for them to avoid dwelling in the land of fasad.

Empyree doesn't owe you explanation. You don't know Empyree and his history.

It is responsibility of sane human to not promote vices in any form or shape.

Even in some part of muslim regions, I can't confirm but I heard last jummah that there is systematic practice of child abuse that resembles Vatican scandals (sexual abuse of minors). I don't know which muslim country this happens but it is the same fasad. Empyree has no "guilt tripping" and owes you no explanation. There are quite number of Westerners who share exactly what Empyree have said with respect to vices in public. The guy who told Imam last friday about systematic sexual abuse of boys in the muslim world is a White guy and non-muslim. He said "you muslims accused Western countries of open immorality yet there is systematic sexual abuse of minors in muslim world but you all quiet as if you are saints.". Imam decided to make it topic of his khutba to bring attention of muslims. Obviously i have no idea which muslim country this immoral behavior is taking place and I doubt it is a "systematic" one. So Empyree owes no one explanation. He has always been citizen of the said country since childhood. His private life is none of your business.

Empyree's habitual damage control for Islam and Muslims

Empyree:

Where do you stand in all of these?. Saudi ppl do not represent islam. We only respect them by virtues of Makkah and medina. so you dont need to always attribute violence to muslims. Bcus they entertained Carey doesn't mean they are right.

Yea, Saudi people no longer represent Islam. Everything good about Saudis is Islam, everything bad about them is not Islam. And anything good in the westerners is not Christianity, but anything bad about them is Christianity.

We have hadith which speaks about SCUMS prevailing in the Arabia. It says when scums prevailing, wait for the destruction of Arabs. We are seeing scums now. The are basically going from one extreme to another.

I know, right? Wait for the destruction of Arabs after they host Mariah Carey and WWE, and what else? Opened cinemas, and ...let women drive? What a load of damage control!

Empyree on Judeo-Christian Terrorism

Empyree:

Again, who do you blame, British or Rohingya?. Aren't the same british that forced marriage on different tribes and ethnic groups in nigeria?. Their horrible crimes are well and alive far more than Turks treatments of armenia. I do not condone Armenian genocide. Up to this mins, it is western world that constantly reminds the world of Armenia genocide while ignoring theirs. If we put percentages side by side, obviously Judeo/christian terrorists did worst.

Let's just start from 18 century alone. Or have you forgotten Italian brutal invasion and genocide of Libyans under Mussolini and general Graciani?. Apart from Armenian genocide, you can hardly point to where muslim authority was invading countries and on killing rampage. it is very rare. But Judeo/christian terrorist have long record of invading muslim countries and killing them till this second. But if you want to use the terrorists created by them to make us believe they are muslims, you wrong.

Yea, yea. Let's start from the 18th century, when the Christians became superpowers and abused their military might. Forget everything from the 7th century when Muslims were superpowers and abused their military might. How convenient.

We all know isis and co are covert operations. Therefore, they can't be solely muslim vs others.

We? You're alone in this illusion. ISIS combatants plundering, raping, slave trafficking and killing are Muslims. The covert support of western governments only changes little. It is Muslims who are leaving their bedrooms to go join ISIS, and apart from grievances against western colonialism, Islam is a very major driving factor for their choice.

The Muslim community is a joke

The west knows of Muslim grievances against the them, and they know the narratives in support of terrorism in reaction to such grievances exist in Muslim sacred texts, so all they need to set off turmoil in the Muslim world is to help create and fund a terrorist group. And devoted, jihad loving Muslims would flock.

As twisted as the west plan may be, it work so well that you can't help but wonder at the genius. For example, it was them who supported the creation of Hamas and funded it in the 1990s. It is possible, you know, that US supplies Hamas with rockets, Hamas launches at Israel without any damage, and Israel get an excuse to launch her own rocket at Palestine, causing significant damage.

Do not think this is unlikely. Back in the Iraq-Iran war(1980s), the US covertly supplied Iraqis with weapons and training, while Israel supplied the same to Iranians. So, basically you have two Muslim countries manipulated by the same west, like chess pieces on a chess board.

So, continue to blame the west for funding ISIS, Empyree. And keep undermining the seeds for terrorism in Muslim sacred texts.

userma..ne:
Empyree on Judeo-Christian Terrorism



Yea, yea. Let's start from the 18th century, when the Christians became superpowers and abused their military might. Forget everything from the 7th century when Muslims were superpowers and abused their military might. How convenient.

Let's start from century 0-6th century then during Jewish/Christian reigns before advent of nabi Muhammad (saw). There weren't wars and killings ?. No?. There were Muslims called 'believers' genocided by kufar of their time then?. How about The Amalekite genocide? Oh ooo forgot that was perpetrated by muslims too. Nonsense

We never said muslim history was perfect. There were crazy muslim leaders in history. And we never said hadith is 100% accurate or they are all wahy, No. Thats not my stance. My position is moderation. You on the other hand is on other side of extremism. You have traits of those guys who later published anti-islam books, hired by FOX news network to talk trash. We dont need those people to tell us what is right and wrong

Empiree:
Let's start from century 0-6th century then during Jewish/Christian reigns before advent of nabi Muhammad (saw). There weren't wars and killings ?. No?. There were Muslims called 'believers' genocided by kufar of their time then?. How about The Amalekite genocide? Oh ooo forgot that was perpetrated by muslims too. Nonsense

We never said muslim history was perfect. There were crazy Muslim leaders in history. And we never said hadith is 100% accurate or they are all wahy, No. Thats not my stance. My position is moderation. You on the other hand is on other side of extremism. You have traits of those guys who later published anti-islam books, hired by FOX news network to talk trash. We dont need those people to tell us what is right and wrong

Salamu alaikum brother, it's been a while. It seems this rascal has opened a thread to tarnish our names? Hahahahaha, what a complete joker, by Allah he should say what ever he wants, Allah has made the truth obvious. You and I have done nothing but tell him the bitter truth, although you're even a bit soft on him look at how he pays you back, by opening a thread and slandering you. If he was truthful he wouldn't try to twist our statements to make himself feel good. How can a knowledgeable Muslim say that terrorism is in Islamic texts? This ass licker does not even know about the khawarij and the Hadith concerning them. This guy boldly mocks the prophesy and Hadith of the messenger of Allah, it should be obvious by now that he is a Kaafir. If you can turn a blind eye to all the good of the messenger of Allah and focus on less than 10 controversial issues (many recently became controversial) then he should know that he is insincere and anyone who says the Qur'an is copied from other scriptures is a joker who has never read the final book of Allah. May Allah never allow our hearts to deviate from the straight path and may Allah always grant us the strength to struggle against ignorance, ameen.

Hey! Look who shows up.

najib632:
Salamu alaikum brother, it's been a while. It seems this rascal has opened a thread to tarnish our names? Hahahahaha, what a complete joker, by Allah he should say what ever he wants, Allah has made the truth obvious. You and I have done nothing but tell him the bitter truth

Which bitter truth?

When I told you the Qur'an was wrong to read, "He came to the setting (place) of the sun. He found it setting in a spring of muddy water. He found near it a people", what did you say?

When I point the Qur'an and classic scholars were wrong to teach man is created from clot and sex fluid or garmetes come out from between the ribs and the back bones, what did you say?

Go back to that thread and read your rude and disrespectful but poor attempt to defend the bitter truth.

although you're even a bit soft on him

Soft on me? I've dealt with Empyree and his overbearance and tactlessness since 2014. Nowadays, unlike you, Empyree rarely throws insults like "rascal" or "jaheel". What he employs is toxic mind games, psychological manipulation, and I'll cite more examples as I expose his ignorance on this thread.

look at how he pays you back, by opening a thread and slandering you. If he was truthful he wouldn't try to twist our statements to make himself feel good.

You may call it slander if you please. But I've presented evidences to back my analysis of his psyche. I've ceased conversing with Empyree long ago due to his attitude. But since he continued to haunt me, have a go at me, using words for me that I too consider slanderous, I decide to have a party for him, just as I had a party for you earlier on.

I have nothing against him, I wished him well in my last post to him last October, but truth must be told and I'd recommend an attitude adjustment for him. Taking delight in trolling, taunting, guilt tripping and intimidating people you disagree with, and living in the land of fasad even though your religion frowns upon it is not normal.

How can a knowledgeable Muslim say that terrorism is in Islamic texts? This ass licker does not even know about the khawarij and the Hadith concerning them.

Abu Bakr as Sadik's jihad against the Persians was state terrorism as US war against Iraq. There are many hadith where Muhammad is commanded to fight the people untill they embrace Islam, this is terrorism.

All the Imams of fiqh agreed that offensive jihad to expand the caliphate and spread sharia is responsibility of the caliphate. Offensive jihad is basically state terrorism.

All what ISIS have done is supported by Muslim texts or traditions.

Please, be honest. Don't lie or feign ignorance.

This guy boldly mocks the prophesy and Hadith of the messenger of Allah, it should be obvious by now that he is a Kaafir. If you can turn a blind eye to all the good of the messenger of Allah and focus on less than 10 controversial issues (many recently became controversial) then he should know that he is insincere

Every Muslim mock the Hadith of the messenger when they decide to cherry pick among Hadith. The Hadith said alcohol is not a medicine, but a disease. The prophet would not permit it use as medicine. But Muslims today make and consume medicine with alcohol, is this not mockery of the prophet's Hadith?

and anyone who says the Qur'an is copied from other scriptures is a joker who has never read the final book of Allah. May Allah never allow our hearts to deviate from the straight path and may Allah always grant us the strength to struggle against ignorance, ameen.

You are the joker here. Ever since you said mountains prevent earthquake and two sea waters or salt and fresh waters do not mix, and you twist and distort apparently flawed verses to make them seem right, I knew you to be another ignorant and arrogant Muslim like Empyree.

usermane:
Hey! Look who shows up.



Which bitter truth?

When I told you the Qur'an was wrong to read, "He came to the setting (place) of the sun. He found it setting in a spring of muddy water. He found near it a people", what did you say?

When I point the Qur'an and classic scholars were wrong to teach man is created from clot and sex fluid or garmetes come out from between the ribs and the back bones, what did you say?

Go back to that thread and read your rude and disrespectful but poor attempt to defend the bitter truth.



Soft on me? I've dealt with Empyree and his overbearance and tactlessness since 2014. Nowadays, unlike you, Empyree rarely throws insults like "rascal" or "jaheel". What he employs is toxic mind games, psychological manipulation, and I'll cite more examples as I expose his ignorance on this thread.



You may call it slander if you please. But I've presented evidences to back my analysis of his psyche. I've ceased conversing with Empyree long ago due to his attitude. But since he continued to haunt me, have a go at me, using words for me that I too consider slanderous, I decide to have a party for him, just as I had a party for you earlier on.

I have nothing against him, I wished him well in my last post to him last October, but truth must be told and I'd recommend an attitude adjustment for him. Taking delight in trolling, taunting, guilt tripping and intimidating people you disagree with, and living in the land of fasad even though your religion frowns upon it is not normal.




Abu Bakr as Sadik's jihad against the Persians was state terrorism as US war against Iraq. There are many hadith where Muhammad is commanded to fight the people untill they embrace Islam, this is terrorism.

All the Imams of fiqh agreed that offensive jihad to expand the caliphate and spread sharia is responsibility of the caliphate. Offensive jihad is basically state terrorism.

All what ISIS have done is supported by Muslim texts or traditions.

Please, be honest. Don't lie or feign ignorance.




Every Muslim mock the Hadith of the messenger when they decide to cherry pick among Hadith. The Hadith said alcohol is not a medicine, but a disease. The prophet would not permit it use as medicine. But Muslims today make and consume medicine with alcohol, is this not mockery of the prophet's Hadith?



You are the joker here. Ever since you said mountains prevent earthquake and two sea waters or salt and fresh waters do not mix, and you twist and distort apparently flawed verses to make them seem right, I knew you to be another ignorant and arrogant Muslim like Empyree.

I would love to reply you but I have classed you in the same category with tintinz and that other hypocrite true2devil a.k.a. false2god. I Shall not waste my time upon people like you.

Empiree:
How do you feel about this now?

https://www.theonion.com/cia-issues-posthumous-apology-after-new-evidence-clears-1831607536

You're quoting "The Onion", a satirist website, as your authority for something that would have made worldwide headlines if it were true.

No wonder you haven't been able to bring any passable arguments against the historical issues Usermane has raised. It speaks a lot about your socio-political awareness, research ability and deep confirmation bias. Only God knows the other satirical websites where you've been sourcing your "information".


The Onion, fam.

Nothing wey person no go see for this Nairaland.

aadoiza:

When I saw the date I thought my half asleep-half awake state was messing with my vision. Islam became synonymous with terrorism for this singular, premeditated, callous act of the american government on its own citizens, which they misleadingly blamed on Islam and their spawn, Al qaeda.

They dented and sullied the image of Islam using propaganda via their media and when they were supposed to bring to light their deliberate malfeasance on Islam—which would have, at least, redeemed its battered image to a certain degree—they refused to use the same media but rather used an unconventional means. This alone proves everything was well calculated but their ass-licking stooges would still turn a blind eye to it.

The website is a satirical website. Can't you do the simplest research to confirm "news" before jumping on conspiracy theories and spreading misinformation?

Well, unless conspiracy theories are your entire goal, anyway.

Empiree:
Remove clog from your eyes and smell coffee.

You still wanna quote ahadith they fabricated to justify their boolsh!t after much evidences pointed at "them"?

It's funny how, when you want to spread propaganda, you stoop to the lowest standards of proof, but expect others to meet a much higher standard in contradicting you.

For instance, how are a couple of headlines supposed to prove anything beyond the fact that the writer held a particular perspective? Perhaps, on topics such as Big Brother Naija and for people who are not inclined to thorough logical interrogation, that would pass.

But on a subject as serious as religion and its effect on socio-political issues, you should know that stating facts and giving analysis about how it supports your stance is what you need to do.

As Usermane said, the US supported those organizations at some point because they were fighting a war (which, mind you, they termed a "holy war"; as they do every single one, against invaders). That support might or might not have had ulterior motives, but it doesn't change the fact that it helped stop the invasions and "oppression".

Fast forward to when disputes arose between the US and those organizations and they decided to begin blowing up things and murdering innocent people (I don't absolve the US of this either), and you claim it's the US's fault?

Please, show using logic, how that is the case. Not clickbait headlines, this time.

This is not a debate for appeal to authority or other basic fallacies.

koonbey:




You're quoting "The Onion", a satirist website, as your authority for something that would have made worldwide headlines if it were true.

No wonder you haven't been able to bring any passable arguments against the historical issues User.mane has raised. It speaks a lot about your socio-political awareness, research ability and deep confirmation bias. Only God knows the other satirical websites where you've been sourcing your "information".


The Onion, fam.

Nothing wey person no go see for this Nairaland.

All we need is time. There is always element of truth in the midst of joke. We really do not need mainstream confirmation. For onion to come up with this means they knew there is something in something. All we need is time. Besides, wetin be your own?. The dude already conceded to this fact. He did not object at all. So wetin be your own

koonbey:


The website is a satirical website. Can't you do the simplest research to confirm "news" before jumping on conspiracy theories and spreading misinformation?

Well, unless conspiracy theories are your entire goal, anyway.

I got it. But the US will do more to convince their hands are clean.